The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Stop blaming the refs

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Colin is tired of everyone continuing to blame the refs for the Chiefs win over the Texans and breaks down why the refs didn't impact the outcome Thoughts on the Bears hiring Ben Johnson as their next head coach He talks to 7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady about Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels and what makes him so special as a rookie leading his team to the NFC Championship Game  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, here we go. It is a Thursday. It is live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Tom Brady stops by in 30 minutes, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. So, J-Back, I was thinking about this. I do not watch games with fans.

Now, infrequently, you and I'll go or I'll go to my place in Manhattan Beach and I'll watch a game that doesn't really matter. It's what I would call a fun game. I haven't bet it. It may not be on the show. It's a Friday, Saturday game. But generally, I don't like to watch professional sports with other people that aren't in my business because they always blame the refs.

Even my reasonable smart friends, they always blame the refs. Oh, boy, here we go. So the Kansas City Chiefs are 22 and 2 in their last 24, and even J-Mack, a hardened journalist, believes it's luck, it's rigged, it's the officials. And so what has always been remarkable to me, and I'm not a snob on this stuff, I just get worn down by fans and friends. It's always the refs.

So Kansas City now is the target of all this stuff, and you'll hear from Patrick Mahomes in about three minutes. But I'll give you an example. Fans will be tough on the officials. They want perfection, but yet they let their coach and their players off the hook all the time. So let's go to Sunday's game. So let's just go to this Houston game where everybody thought it was the refs. It is fourth and ten.

At this moment, it's the biggest possession of the game for the Houston Texans. They are scrambling to get the play in. And here's the call. Yeah, this is too big of a play. I think they need to call a timeout. But they snap it. Blitz again. Stroud in trouble.

Carlophtis is there. Kansas City ball. Complete mayhem. You think you're going to beat Andy Reed and a buy, and you can't get that buttoned up. But Tomiko Ryan's after said, these officials, that was us against the world. Now, Kansas City didn't score on that.

Now let's go back to the first quarter. We'll reverse it. Let's go back to the first quarter. Remember, the NFL has instructed its officials call roughing on plays like this. And at first glance, it looked like. roughing. It's not challengeable. So there's that play.

And everybody think that is not right. Well, on that play, it did give them a first down. I'll admit that. But on the very next play, Travis Kelsey, the best time to end football for six, seven years, is for one of four times on the day left wide open. You may want to cover him. I mean, Kansas City doesn't have a lethal receiver.

core. They don't throw to their backs that much. That's the one guy you have to cover. You didn't. He was 70% of the offense. Xavier Worthy's more of a gadget guy. Rishi Rice is out. It's musical chairs at wide receiver. Noah Gray's not beating anybody down the field. You had one guy to cover if you left him open all game. Let's go back even further to the opening kickoff. you basically gave the Chiefs a 3-0 lead at Arrowhead off a by. And to make it worse than giving up a 63-yard kick, you had an unsportsman-like penalty and a player shoving a coach. So you go on the road, you shove a coach, a disastrous special teams performance.

You miss two field goals, that's six points. You miss a PAT, that's one point. You give up a field goal in the opening kick because of that nonsense. That's 10 points. you lost by nine. And you also on several occasions did not cover the only really Hall of Fame level weapon Kansas City has. Old rickety, Travis Kelsey. And you're blaming the refs on a go-either-way call with Will Anderson and Patrick Mahomes,

which I said yesterday on first glance, I was like, oh, that's that, that, and the referees, it's not challengeable. they don't get slow-mo. They don't get a replay. They got to call what they see. So again, you demand that the officials are perfect when they're instructed to make certain calls

and they're not challengeable calls. But you gave up on special teams. You gave up 10 points and you lost by 9. And that gets glossed over. Patrick Mahomes was talking about what it's like to be the Chiefs now in this constant talk about officials and working the system.

And obviously, I've been on both sides of it as far as how I felt the calls were made. But at the end of the day, man, those guys are doing their best to make the best calls and keep it to where the players are making the plays in the game, and that's what it decides the outcome. And obviously, there was a call here or there that people didn't agree with, but at the same time, I think there was a lot of other plays that really decided the outcome of that football game. Yes, there were.

I've said this to NBA fans, because for years and years, NBA fans were relentless, mostly because the Lakers attracted better players. They had Shaq and Kobe. That's the way it works. And I always said this. Whenever you want to complain as an NBA fan, ask yourself two questions. How many free throws did you miss? How many free throws did your team miss?

Oh, nine! You can't hit free throws as a professional basketball player. and how many turnovers do you have? And if the combination is like 16 to 18 mistakes, the refs get one occasionally too. All right, so I do not believe in curses. UFOs, ghosts. Yeah, I don't believe any of that stuff.

Sorry. But I said this this morning to the staff. If Ben Johnson and the Bears don't work, I'm pouring my entire net worth into Bitcoin. I think it's going to work. Now, there are so many things. This is not the Jets. This is not Carolina.

This should work, and here's the new guy they hired. It's Ben Johnson, full of energy, full of spirit. He talked yesterday. Here it is. All right, Bears Nation, get ready to go. Beyond fired up to be here. This is exciting times. Cannot wait to get to work.

Bear down, baby. Okay. sharp offensive coach, known for maximizing offensive personnel, and the bears have weapons, just left a great culture so he can cherry pick some stuff. He had proximity to a great culture and a rebuild, right? Like he wasn't in a dynasty. He was in a bad franchise that built up from the ground floor. So this is literally he's taking the job, and he just worked through a four-and-five-year cycle of what he wants to do.

He can steal stuff from there. the bears have good assets. They have $66 million in cap space. That's top five. They have a dynamic rookie quarterback who has four years. He's basically free. And, oh, by the way, you have three picks in the top 41 because you have an extra second. You have interesting weapons.

This is not the Panthers job. This is not the Patriots job with Gerard Mayo. That's not what this is. So I don't know if Ben Johnson could. turn it around. I don't know if he's Bobby Flee or Sean McVeigh, but he's got a full pantry and a great kitchen. And if you go look, what really is true is that if you just look at the two teams

that were in worse shape than Chicago, Washington this year, I mean, Washington's roster coming into the season, is significantly lower PFF than Chicago's that Ben Johnson will get. And he's got six, seven draft picks to add, and free agents. and Houston was a laughing stop ownership down. And they both gave you blueprints. For instance, Washington fixed the offensive line. Then they brought in like smart, savvy veterans, Bobby Wagner,

Zach Ertz, Marcus Mariotta. So you don't even have to, if you're Ben Johnson, you don't even have to be original. You could just steal what Washington did. You have a mobile quarterback. Your O-line needs upgrading. go add, sprinkle in a couple savvy veterans, stir, put it in the oven, let it bake, and it should work. So now, now, in the first moves, he hired Dennis Allen as a defensive coordinator.

I like Dennis Allen as a D.C., not a head coach. He's going to bring, reportedly, as the offensive coordinator, the guy, Hank Freely, that built that offensive line. I like that move. So there's like eight reasons this. should work. You don't even have to be original. Just copy Washington. And I feel like

I won't be watching a football team. I'll be watching an exorcism. Can they exercise their quarterback and offensive demons? Because when you look at this, this is a way better situation than Washington had and a way better situation than Houston had. We hated Houston's roster two years ago.

And Ben Johnson doesn't even get a rookie. CJ Stroud was a rookie for D'Amico Ryan's. I mean, Caleb's already been in the league. So take a deep breath. But people ask me, you think it'll work? And I'm like, yeah, I think it will work. I think it will work. But this is not.

Remember, most people thought, if you would have had a younger, more current, richer owner, most people thought this was viewed as the best job available despite their politics and potholes. So I'm looking at Dennis Allen. I'm looking at this. I'm looking at cap space.

I'm looking at you can use Washington with a mobile quarterback and all new people as an example. They're going to bring the Lions' old line coats to be the OC. Like, this should work. I'm very excited. It should work. Here was, is it, Ben Johnson introducing himself to Chicago? We already showed that video, right?

We already showed that one. Okay. So, J. Mack, you're looking at me kind of. smiling. I'm not trying to be overly optimistic, but I also don't want to be cynical because it does stack up. There's a lot of stuff here. I mean, the big knock is we don't know if it's the right GM. We also don't know if it's the wrong one. I don't know much about Ben Johnson. I'd really never heard him say much outside of that video. So I wonder, it was a little rigid and I'm not being too critical here, but you know how when you like meet a girl and you think there's some

major potential? And she's like, you want to go salsa dancing? And you're like, of course not. Oh, sure. Yeah, let's go salsa dancing. That to me is what Ben Johnson felt like there where he's like, all right, bear down. Let's go. He looks like a quiet reserve kind of cotton doctors on the weekend kind of guy who's buttoned up. I don't know if that looked like the real Ben Johnson. Okay, let me just say this. I do, to your point, he is not McVeigh. Right. But I will tell you, I think he could be Matt LaFleur. So when Matt LaFleur got the job in Green Bay, I made two calls to Tennessee, I said, what are they getting? And they said, well, he hasn't shown that he can walk in and be a leader of men.

He can be kind of quiet, kind of cerebral. The knock on him is, oh, he's going to Green Bay, and it's Aaron Rogers. Is he going to get overpowered? So he was not, by the way, Shanahan's not a big. personality. Fair. He's not. Zach Taylor's not.

He's been to a Super Bowl. Mike McDaniels definitely not. He's not. He's corky. Matt LaFleur isn't. You look at McVeigh and you're like, well, Sean is the whole package. Okay.

That is like comparing quarterbacks to Mahomes. If you can be 93% of Mahomes, you're a seven-time pro bowler. Like if Jaden Daniels, you said today, is 90% of Mahomes. That means he'll win a Super Bowl or two, because Patrick, may win six, and he's going to be a 13-time Pro Bowl, and Patrick will be 18 times.

So my take is, don't look at McVeigh. I would look at Matt Lefleur, who was a bit reticent, not a huge personality, kind of, I think what I hear about Ben, very cerebral, very bright. Now, we don't want him to be Adam Gase, who really was tipped on a little, obscure, a little out there. But I think my take is best case scenario in what I've heard over the last three days, there's some Matt Lefleur here. That'd be a big win. Colin, breaking news, the Buffalo Bills were just flagged 15 yards for hitting Patrick Mahomes.

And the game's still five days away. Just wanted to put that on your radar, an early flag on the Buffalo Bills. See, I'm not going to watch games with you anymore if this is what it is. You were the last guy I watched games with. I'm kidding. I sit on my couch all weekend and just write down notes for games. You've done this before. Like the Kansas City's gotten into Laker territory, like Kobe and Shaq.

So I used to say this all, we got Tom Brady here pretty quick, but I used to say this all the time about Shaq. If you went to a Laker game and watched how often Shaq was fouled and it wasn't called, but if you watched on TV, you thought Shaq was fouling everybody. You had to go to a Laker game, sit there and watch Shaq get mugged for two and a half hours. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herald. heard weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?

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state's $20 million championship roster will only lead to more spending. And my take was, I hope so. That was one of the best offenses I've ever seen in college football. They got their worth out of their money. Ohio is not a rich state. Columbus is not a flashy town. It's a lot of office parks, insurance companies, chain restaurants. But they look rich.

in college football because they care. Same for Alabama. Small state, very little money. They always find it for college football. KU. Basketball. Do you think of Lawrence, Kansas, is well-heeled? No, it's ingrained in their history. There's a lot of teams in New York, L.A. and Chicago

that don't win because they don't care as much. But, Colin, this new college football, how will the little guy compete? Oh, my bad. I lost count of all the days. natdies Purdue had before the NIL existed. The little guy never won. I mean, we've had one little guy ever win since they expanded

to 68 games in college basketball's March Madness. One little guy. Mostly little guys are cute stories that get bounced after a couple surprising wins. Yes, the NIL, you need guardrails. The NFL is tweaking stuff every year. Baseball made just two tweaks recently. both worked. They'll be tweaks to this. But I've got to be honest with you. With very few exceptions, maybe Oregon, the same teams I grew up loving and they dominated college football, they dominate it now.

Michigan, Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia was always good. Penn State was independent but great. Notre Dame. Oregon's the new kid on the block, thanks to Phil Knight's money. There's most of the same teams. I mean, Cincinnati Bearcats weren't winning Natties then or not winning them now. I guess Michigan State was probably more viable in the 30s and 40s than now, Army and Navy. But the playoffs are going to be expanded to 14 teams, maybe 16. So at least the little guy now gets an invite to the party. In the previous decade, only 15 teams even made the playoffs.

Joel Clatt, on end. NIL and how the landscape has changed in college football. It's the biggest, largest living alumni base in college sports is the Big Ten alumni base. And so that is a big deal in this era where fans can have more of an immediate impact through their donations to NIL. Yes. And not the Pact 12, it's dissolved, not the ACC and not the Big 12 or Mountain West. the two conferences in my life who have had the biggest stadiums and filled them the most, the SEC and the Big Ten as the world changed, ended up on top.

That's exactly how it should be. Woody Hayes has won titles at Ohio State, Jim Tressel and Urban Meyer, and the coaches that fail at Ohio State, they win like 10 or 11 games, John Cooper. They can't beat Michigan enough and they get shown the door. nothing's really changed. Just more people now get invited to the party. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's get started with the Philadelphia Eagles and the status of Jalen Hertz. He hurt his knee against the Rams. He was able to finish the game. Didn't look very mobile. Offensive coordinator, Kellan Moore says he isn't changing his play-calling strategy against the commanders. Same game plan formula.

Obviously, like any players on our team, if you have to make adjustments as weeks progress or games progress, you do. But very similar plan. That's always going to lean on the medical and the player. Obviously, those guys go through their process, and it's just communicated from them to the coaching staff. And so plenty of conversations as week progresses. It's mid to late January.

There's a lot of guys that are banged up. This doesn't have just to do with Jalen. You know, there's playing guys that are going through stuff. And, yeah, that's how these weeks are. I would argue that Justin Herbert and Jalen Hertz, I'm never sure if they're 100% healthy. I mean, like Jalen Hertz to me is always because of his running style. And the tush push and the running style,

I never feel he's 100%. And so I don't think it changes it. I do. I have changed my mind. I think the commander's cover. I think it's going to be closer. The more you reach into it, the more I think they can compete. But my take is Jalen's been banged up a lot of his career, just a style.

I mean, he's one of the only quarterbacks. A lot of these quarterbacks tried push twice three times. They got hurt. Daniel Jones did, I think. So I just think Jalen hurts. We've done this story. I feel like 10 times since he came into the league. He's banged up for a game.

I mean, concussion and now this knee injury. I don't know. I broke down this game with a pro gambler on my podcast, and the Washington commanders play a lot of man-to-man, one of the highest rates in the league. You know what that means. A.J. Brown, he annihilates man to man. Who are you going to put on him?

Marshawn Lattimore or the rookie from Michigan who had two picks against Detroit. San Ristow? Yeah. Like, A.J. Brown's going to eat those guys up. And the cornerbacks then turn their backs to Hertz who can run, assuming he's healthy. Colin, I'm not sure I see what you're seeing Washington defensively. Let me throw this out. We looked at the Rams on a short week with one weapon on the perimeter, and Eagles have two great corners.

Well, one got hurt. Mitchell left that was a big loss. A rookie six-round center for the Rams against Jalen Carter, snow game for Matt Stafford. I mean, it really looked like one of the easiest bets of the year. And Matt Stafford completes a ball to Pooka Nakua down the sideline, and you and I are texting going, oh my God, the Eagles let you back in the games. I'm tired of hearing people say, and I'm guilty, the Eagles didn't play well.

No, this is what they are every Sunday against good teams. They leave you so many opportunities, not always to win, but to keep it close. Well, you mentioned interior offensive line for the Rams. Washington lost one of their great offensive linemen. Yes, their best. Cosmi, yeah, their best offensive linemen on the inside. Jalen Carter are going to eat again? It could get ugly.

Next up, Colin, how about your guy, LeBron James last night? A historic triple double, 2110, and 13 became the oldest player to record a 20-point triple double, second player 40-year-older to record a trip-dub. I mean, the guy's incredible. Lakers beat the hapless, and I do mean hapless, Washington Wizards. The oldest triple-dubillian belongs to Carl the Mailman Malone. LeBron, I mean, this list is unbelievable. He has so many triple doubles over the age of 39.

No basketball player has ever done more things well than LeBron. He is not the one-on-one-scoring monster. of Michael Jordan. He's not the low-blocked tear of Shacker Tim Duncan. But in terms of, I always said he's much closer to Magic than he is Michael, but he's a much better defender. And he's a much bigger, stronger physical presence than Magic. But there's more Magic than Michael.

And Magic could score 42 in the finals if you needed him at center, or he could score 12 and have 17 assists. Magic could do whatever you needed. LeBron's the better score than Magic. but his game has always been more magic than Michael. Yeah, I mean, essentially, you know, LeBron and our guest here in five minutes, Tom Brady, are the case for, hey, why can't you just play into your late 30s or early 40s? I mean, what LeBron did is doing and what Brady did,

just incredible for these guys at their age to continue to dominate at the highest level. Colin, final story quickly is that there are reports that saying Mike Vrable is going to land Josh McDaniels back in New England as the offensive coordinator. This is the third time McDaniels has had the job. They have never coached together of Rabel and McDaniels, but they have a connection due to obviously the Belichick Brady era in New England. I am a lot of times not for getting the band back together. I am here.

Okay. Right now it's kind of a little bit of a broken franchise, but it's not broken, but you got craft and you have Drake May. So there's building blocks here, but they've lost their way as a franchise. I love both these moves. This is one of the least talented rosters in the league, Colin. It is the least talented roster,

which is why they can trade down. It's not a great draft, but it's a fairly deep draft at places they need. Offensive line and running back, they need those two, even more than receiver. But Stevenson was okay. They have no receivers, Colin, for Drake May.

No, they got nobody. What they need, this draft provides. O-line receiver and running back draft, it's a great draft for those. Are you sticking with these guys going to the... Yeah, they're going to the playoffs. I applied for a playoff ticket this morning. I'm telling you, this is my Washington and my Rams the year before.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. My team to make the playoffs that missed it? Cincinnati Bengals. I got Joe Burrell. Real swing there. Jay Mackle of the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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I think it was on a call. about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

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Well, I'm eternally grateful that I get a broadcast for a living and watch sports and take notes and have fun, but it's also been great that I get Tom Brady on a regular basis. He is joining us to live now. I gotta start with this because everything I read on the internet, Tom, is true and it breaks my heart that we only got to work a year together. You're already leaving. So it's really hard for me.

I swear to God, the interweb has you. I don't know where you're going, but you're leaving. Would you address that, please? It's hard for me, too. I thought it was a great run, you know, one solid year. You know, there's time for new things, and I figured, you know, this has been totally, mastered at this point. Yeah, I don't know where it comes from. I know it always says

sources close to Brady or whatever, but I've had the best time at Fox, and I've loved every time going into the booth and working with such great people. Starting with my partner, Kevin, everyone in our crew, Z, Ruse, Aaron, Tom, who, you know, everyone would probably know a little bit about. But behind the scenes, there's so many incredible people that bring the NFL to life and to see kind of how it is from a different perspective. You know, I've had so many years, 23 years playing on the field. I've watched so many games from, you know, the sideline view. And now I'm sitting up there in the booth and seeing it from a different perspective.

And I've loved kind of just the whole process and diving into all these different teams. It's been a lot of growth for me in one year. And I really can't see, can't wait to see what it looks like in year two. and way beyond that too. So I got nine years left on my deal and maybe longer. You never know. If Fox wants me,

then I want to go. We'll just keep going because it's been really fun thus far. I think sources close to Brady are your kids. And my guess is they're not leaking stuff to the internet. Okay. So, all right, let's get into the Raider stuff.

So they need a coach. Again, there's a lot of talk about who the coach. They need a general manager. So you were a rookie broadcaster. you're now a rookie part of an ownership group. Kind of give me, what is this entail? That's a great point. Being a rookie, too, you've got to almost go back to what your roots are as a rookie.

And remember that when you are a rookie, you're trying to learn as much as you can. And when I was a rookie as a quarterback, I really just kind of engulfed myself in the playbook and listen to a lot of the veterans. And this is how you're going to go about it, Tom. This is how you're going to be the best possible player you can be. and then you realize that many years later, 10 years later, I started to actually perform the way that I thought I was capable of performing. So I wish I could have played football my entire life.

But that kind of, you know, 23 years was long enough. I got tired of really taking the hits and I wanted to spend, you know, as much time as I could with the kids. So really being involved with the Raiders gives me an opportunity to be involved with football for the rest of my life. And I really love teamwork. I always have. I love seeing other people succeed.

I really hope other players get, former players get opportunities to be involved with teams. And right now, I've got, there's a great ownership group. There's other great people involved. I'm one voice. It's so collaborative. But I think this process of learning is so important. So that's kind of where it's at. So I want to ask you about Ben Johnson.

So this is interesting to me. So everybody says, and I think I fall into this, hey, he got an offensive coach. and you think immediately that's great. But you didn't. And in fact, Belichick let you and Josh kind of go behind the curtain and he let you do your thing, which I love that. That's cool. Like, hey, you're into it, Josh. If you get an offensive coach.

Here's what I were. I think when you look at these. Go ahead. Sorry, Colin is a second delay. But I think that it's, there's such a jigsaw puzzle when you look at a lot of different organizations. and whether football organizations or basketball, baseball, I think it's a collective group of people. And you've got to figure out that puzzle of what exactly fits.

If you do have a defensive head coach, like Bill was, Bill was a great manager, and Bill did a great job coaching the coaches. And he had high expectations. I think he had background in offense. So he didn't necessarily probably throw all his ideas out there, but he did have a general understanding of how we should perform on offense. And he had expectations for that. Bill was, I thought, one of the greatest special teams coaches ever in the history of the NFL.

And obviously, the greatest defensive coordinator probably in the history of the NFL. So I think when you look at all the different roles that he played in the organization that I was successful in, he did more than just coach. He was a great kind of added beneficiary or added a great benefit to the defensive staff. he was a great listening and his ability to listen to what we're doing offensively could provide insight to that there was a lot of things he added to our clubs so

this whole puzzle with the offense coach defense coach I just it should be about great people doing great things working collaboratively being humble learning every year in the same way that you said earlier to me you're always trying to up your game every year I feel like that's what I always try to do as a player

and I don't see that's any different in football or in business, everybody should always be looking to improve and understanding where their weaknesses are, how to improve their weaknesses, and then continue to build on their strengths. You watched a lot of Caleb Williams. If there was one thing that you want him to improve on that Ben Johnson can zero in on and you've got a lot of snaps,

is there one thing you'd say, hey, Caleb, this is the one thing I want you to work on? I think it's always, you know, there's, well, I would say this. For any player, and Caleb in particular, he's a young, player. There's a lot of room for growth, obviously. It's really up to him to decide where he wants to spend his time and energy to become the player that he wants to be. And I believe that there's three parts that make up great players, the physical, the mental, the emotional. We all have deficiencies. None of our perfect players. Maybe the only perfect players I played against was Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Jason Taylor. Those guys were perfect in my opinion. But they had so many things

figured out. I, let's say, was at one point was physically probably not where I wanted to be. Mentally, emotion, I was always very good. I had a great understanding of the tactics. I could bring a competitive desire to practice every single day to get the most of my teammates. Where I needed to prove was physically. How do I become a better pocket passer? How do I improve the footwork in my pocket? How can I become more durable? How can I be a little bit more stronger in the pocket? When those things caught up, to what I was doing mentally and emotionally, I became the type of player that I wanted to be.

Some guys are really blessed physically, so they don't have to work on necessarily the mental, emotional as much. So I think you always have to have an understanding. If you want to reach your true potential, it's about maximizing all three of those things. I went and spoke to the Notre Dame football team before they were in the orange,

excuse me, before they won the Orange Bowl. I talked about those exact same things. I talk to any player who comes up and talks to me, whether it's other quarterbacks on other teams, whether it's college teams, you know, they're always seeking my advice. And I tell them the same thing. You have to have a self-awareness about who you are, where you want to go, and then work hard at the things where you're deficient,

while still understanding what your strengths are and build on those. But this is a full-time job to be an NFL player. This is, I woke up in the morning brushing my teeth in the morning, thinking about my throwing mechanics. If I just get my left shoulder looking in the mirror every day, That's how I thought about it. And I think that's why I was able to have such a productive career over a long period of time. Jaden Daniels is obviously gifted.

He moves well. He's accurate. When you watch him from upstairs, what is the one thing that surprises you about Jaden Daniels as a rookie quarterback? I think when you deal with most rookie quarterbacks, and I think what I saw in this Detroit game is when they, most defensive coaches now, it's just like, let's put pressure on them. Let's get to the middle of the pocket. Let's send blitzers. He won't see him. He won't have a full understanding of protections

or where his great one-on-one matchups are. Jaden looks, and I know this for a fact, he is a tremendous work ethic. Everybody speaks about his ability to work hard. He's in the playbook after he gets drafted in the offseason. He's trying to understand what the coaches are going to ask him. And then you see how it's reflected in his rookie season. One of the great rookie seasons,

any quarterback's ever had. And he's got a great connection with his players. He has the physical tools, and he's a very humble kid. How that reflects, and when I watch him play, he has tremendous poise in the pocket. He's calm under the chaos of being an NFL quarterback. They were blitzing him the other night. The lions were he's standing in the pocket, waiting the very last second, a lot like Patrick does in so many ways, and then delivers the ball accurately.

to his receivers in stride and they make big plays. So that's, I think, a little bit about what's in store for him as he continues to develop in his future, his poise, confidence in himself. Some players need production to become confident. Some people become confident before they have any production. That's a great trait to have as an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident. You don't need to complete your first five passes to become.

confident. And I think that's what I see in a young Jane Daniels. Take out Gronk and the Patriots weren't known as personality plus. Belichick muted some of that or player self-muted that knowing Bill didn't like it. And then there's the Philadelphia Eagles.

It's ego and now Barkley, Seekwan is a very patriot-like. Jalen hurts a little bit, but it's a big personality. The coach is barking at fans. How does it work in Philadelphia? Because it's the opposite of your dynasty?

Sure. I think they do things very uniquely. But Hallie Roseman's done an incredible job assembling that team. I think he's a guy that lives and breathes football every single day. When you think about being tough, you think about the offensive line and running the football and the defensive line and their ability to stop the run. And you're right, they do have some personalities. But when I look at Jordan Milada, when I look at Lane Johnson and Dickerson and Jurgians and Mackay Beckton coming in there, the strength of that team is their offensive line and Sequan.

And they're just tremendous. That dominating force they have up front is absolutely incredible. And the defensive line has done a tremendous job. Williams has done a great job. Jalen Carter's had a great second season. Sweat's done a great job. They lost Brandon Graham and Huff to injury, and they're still producing at a very high level. So I think that physical toughness permeates the whole team.

And you're right. I think naturally at the skill positions, there always is a little more personality. And I reference this in one of the games. The receivers certainly, and this has been, even when I was a rookie with Terry Glenn, you know, God rest his soul. But he had his own way of trying to get included. If they're not getting passes all the time, whether that was Randy, who I love more than anyone in this world, they just, they want to feel included in what they're doing. If they're not getting balls and impact in the game, they want to let you know about it. And that's just part of it that comes with the territory.

AJ does a little bit of that. Devonte Smith is obviously a great teammate and a very unselfish player. But naturally, some of those, I would say, cornerback positions, receiver positions, they have their own way of looking at things. You just deal with it. Probably finally here, because we have about three minutes left. Mahomes getting a lot of heat. I've been defending the Patriots. I said a couple years ago when they moved off Tyreek Hill, they became the Patriots.

They wouldn't be the fireworks. It was like you guys losing Moss. You're not going to score 50. You're going to have to be more efficient. You have to be smarter. You have to be even better situationally. Randy Moss or Tyreek Hill give you those free touchdowns over the top and those two play drives. Those are over.

I think they manipulate. I think they leverage. I think they're smart. I don't think all this rig stuff's nonsense. But I will say Mahomes and that out-of-bound stuff where he stops, I don't love that. I think it's, I don't love that. What do you make of the late hits and the controversy that the league is protecting Mahomes?

What do you make of all of it? Well, there's an aspect that I don't like about some of these defensive rules. I think I've been pretty outspoken, not just on broadcast, but just in just. general over the last bunch of years and before a quarterback's out of bounds, you know, you hit them and it's the reality for me is offensive players need to protect themselves. And if they're running full speed and the defenders are coming up, the defenders, the intent is to create, the only way to turn the ball over is to create force. Right. You're not going to blow on the football and going to, you know, knock its way out of a running back's hands or a quarterback's

quarterback scenes. You got to go in there with force and knock it out. You're trying to create turnovers. You're trying to disrupt the pass. You're trying to dislodge the ball. The only way to do that is with force and there needs to be an aggressiveness to doing that. When quarterbacks become running backs and they're out of the pocket, they should lose their protection. And we are, in essence, we're trying to say, we're trying to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more quarterback runs than ever in the history of the game. So who's, protecting the quarterback. We're trying to say the referees should do it. I believe if you're an offensive player and you can't protect yourself or you're a defensive player and you can't protect

yourself. If you're a delinement and you're engaged in a block, no one can come and clip you, which is, that's a chop block. That's well known. Everyone agrees with that. If you're defending your own block, you know, they can, they got to get you on the ground somehow. If you're running with the ball, you should protect yourself. If you don't want to get hit, you can go down, you can run out of bounds, but you can't, in essence, have the defensive player come in at half speed, and then you run over the defensive player because he's afraid of getting a penalty. And I think it's just a disservice to the game. It's something that I would hope that people would really address and say,

not that anyone's trying to take advantage of the rules, but they've just gone to a point where it does impact the quality of the game. I was on my social media and I was watching Ronnie Lott. And who's the greatest safety? Ronnie Lott. Why? Because he brought a force to the game that if you were catching a ball over the middle, he was going to force incomplete passes. And if the quarterbacks made bad reads, you know, that's how the game got taught. Now there's no repercussions for quarterbacks making poor reads, making poor decisions out of the pocket. So I think overall, in my opinion, that needs to be seriously looked at. All right. And like the professional broadcaster he is, he hands it to me for about 12 seconds left before we go to break. Tom Brady, nice to know you're going to be back at Fox. You know, you got to be careful about the interweb folks. Not everything, believe it or not, is true. And his sources, I swear to you are as kids. And that's whose everybody's sources should be, my friend. Good seeing you, Tom. Bye, Colin. We'll talk to you soon, man. Have a great week. All right. And we'll be back. Hour to next. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

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