The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Stop trying to make Bronny James a thing

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

Colin takes aim at the people continuing to hype Bronny James as an NBA player when he's clearly not at that level after a disappointing performance against the 76ers He looks at where the Cowboys rank in the NFL right now in quarterback - head coach combos after hiring Brian SchottenheimerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Andy Reid, coach of the Kansas City Chiefs joining us in one hour from now. Unfortunately, I'll have to do the interview. J. Mack. Andy, you know, we couldn't trust J-Mack with interviewing Andy. Reed. So, um... I'm surprised you're not wearing red for the interview today, Colin. So there's an old saying in pro sports, you can't fool the players.

Okay, you can't fool the pro athletes. They know the stars. They know the soft spots. They know the weaknesses. So last night, AD got hurt. Lakers went into the tank, got blown out by Philadelphia. Well, the Lakers had recently called up Brony. Well, Brunny had his best game as a G-leager.

So, of course, let's rush him to the Lakers. So he got on the floor last night. You can't fool the players. Tyrese Maxie went right after him and cooked him. And it's just amazing. In the NFL, media coaches, fans, anybody, you can have real grown-up conversations. You can hold players accountable. There's no walking on eggshells.

There's a way to measure success. In the NBA, you have to pretend that Brony's an NBA player, because otherwise you'll upset the king. So he has a good G-League game. Guys go off in G-League all the time. Doesn't mean anything. And they get him to the Lakers, and they want to play him. And remember, he is a 6-2 guard that's a non-point guard.

I've never seen that existing in the current NBA. And go back 20 years. To be a 2-guard, 6.4.5 minimum, got to be able to shoot some, be a playmaker some. He's 6-2. got cooked on defense and has not scored in 38 minutes on the floor. 38 minutes as a pro

is the last time he got a basket. But J.J. Reddick, instead of just being honest, pandered. Here he is. Maybe put him in a tough spot, you know, flying up yesterday and, you know,

nationally televised game and Philly, all that stuff. It's, You know, he didn't play well, but he's been playing great, you know, in the stay ready games, and he's been playing great in the G. So I've confidence in him. You did not put him in a tough spot.

He is one for 16 in the NBA from the floor, 0 for 7 on threes, and can't be a point guard, and got cooked defensively. Let's just be totally honest about this. He's a 6-2 guard that can't shoot in a league where 7. foot four guys can. He's not an NBA player. He was not a great high school player. He was a good high school player. He wasn't a good college player. He was a college player.

And he's not an NBA player. And he may be a great kid. I'm sure he is. LeBron's a nice guy. I've met him. But this is what gets... Fifty-seven million people watch the NFL this weekend. It's tough men, emotionally and physically, that you can have real conversations with. Can we stop pretending on this? Come on.

Let's just stop pretending. This was not a tough spot. Tyrese Maxie's a great player and cooked him. And you rushed him up because, hey, he had a good G-League game. Oh, God. This is what the Clippers have done with Kauai Leonard. It's been years of pandering. M.Bden Philadelphia. The babysitting in New

Orleans with Zion. In the NBA, they had to ban phones from players during games. They were using them at halftime, timeouts. They had to ban players from using phones during games. You don't

have to do that with grown-ups. They understand they're at work, they're going to work hard. And I think of the many reasons the NFL is separated from the NBA is the NFL's a serious league. The games matter. It's adults. It's men. It's real conversation.

Like, there's no pandering. We're not going to see Jalen Hertz's son, you know, wedged into the Eagles to play running back. No, it's Sequin Barclay. He's better than anybody. And I think this goes back to some of the issues the NBA has. Not a single NBA reporter who would even touch this with a 10-foot pole. This thing, what are we doing here?

Nice kid. Maybe a G-League player. But 38 minutes on the floor hasn't scored a basket. He's a 6-2 non-ball handling guard. What are we doing? What are we pretending? Grown-up conversations. Don't be terrified.

Walk on eggshells. I've seen it time and time again. Last night came in. Three turnovers. 0-4-5. look terrified, nervous, and the Sixers, you can't fool players, went right after him. You can't fool players. When the red light comes on, you know who can do it and who can't.

This continues to be an unsurious story. What you don't want to become is an unsurious league. The NFL, you take it seriously? Because they take it seriously. they don't have to ban phones from their players. Irritating. Okay. So if you didn't see it, and I know you're busy,

the Jerry Jones-Shottnheimer Press Conference, by all accounts, was so weird. I went home yesterday and watched big chunks of it. So weird. So, Dak Prescott said yesterday, hey, my future is tied to Brian Schottinheimer, the new coach. And that's a major red flag. in real estate it's about two things

great location, great kitchen you'll always sell the home location's great, kitchen's great rest of the house can be a tire fire it doesn't matter you'll sell the home the NFL is a head coach quarterback league you can be bad at linebacker you don't have to grab a great offensive line

you can be weak at safety you don't have to have an elite corner it doesn't matter head coach is great coach is great you're going to be really good there are eight combos in the NFL right now that I would consider elite head coach quarterback combo. I don't understand one of them, but there are eight that you can't deny. You're getting a really good quarterback and a really good coach. And you can figure it out.

Reed and Mahalms, McVeigh and Stafford, both Harbaugh's with Lamar and Justin, Matt Lafleur, Jordan, Jordan, Love, Sean McDermott, Josh. You may not love Jordan Love or Sean McDermott, but they're good. Dan Campbell, Jared Goff, Nick Seriani, hurts. I can't explain Nick Seriani. I can't explain the success. I'm not going to try to as methodology is weird. But the guy wins and they love him and the players love him and so be it and that's that's the eight teams Eight for eight by the way in the playoffs and just ask yourself Where does Schottenheimer and Dak fit in the league if that's the elite eight where do they fit two things are true Schottenheimer didn't call plays for a seven and ten team and was given the job

That's strange and Dack is coming up off a second lower body injury, and he got worse after the last one. So I'm not, I mean, I know Dak Schottenheimer is better than Derek Carr with no coach, and I think it's better than Will Levis and Brian Callahan. But if you gave me Dave Canales and Bryce Young for the next two years, I'd take the Carolina guys. I'd take Baker and Todd Bulls today, absolutely. Mike Vrable, Drake May.

Absolutely. Caleb, Ben Johnson, without an argument. So this is a coach quarterback league. And through all the weirdness of the press conference, now with a second lower body injury, Dax saying, I'm tying at Brian Schottenheimer, just ask yourself, where would you put them in the league? Don't listen to me. You think about it now. Where do you stack them? Because there's eight, and we don't, I think Sean McDermott's a good coach.

Do I think he's great? I think he lacks some nuance offensively. Siriani, I don't get necessarily. Jordan loves a very talented quarterback, more talented the deck. He's not great yet, a little too reckless. Lafleur's outstanding. But just ask yourself, I would take Kevin O'Connor of the Vikings, not even knowing who his quarterback is today.

Kevin O'Connell, excuse me. I would take him today. I don't even know if they're going to play Daniel Jones, J.J. McCarthy, or Sam Donald. I would take that. So that's the real warning sign. Kitchen location, you'll always sell a home. Head coach and quarterback or elite, you're fine. I like Brian Daible.

There's only so much he can do with Daniel Jones. One of them has to be an A, and the other one has to be B plus plus to A minus, or it doesn't work in this league, or you get fired in this league. So, you know, that's, as I'm watching this press conference, and Dax saying I'm going to tie it to Schottenheimer, or my take is, wow.

I mean, we had reservations before. Wow. Is where it lands. Andy Reed in 45 minutes. Now, J. Mack, I know you are on this. Brawny is going to emerge as an NBA star. So as I led with that today, I don't want to come across. I don't hope the kid doesn't do well, but there isn't over, I would say there is a reality of the NBA that continues.

is that the media that covers it is baseballs is romantic. They romance the past of baseball. That's not really what NBA is. The NBA is terrified to lose access to stars. So we're all pretending this brawny thing is a real story. And it's like the minute he's on the floor, the Sixers are like, attack. This is, by the way, what happens. This is what Brady and Mahomes do.

When a cornerback gets hurt, you sub in a corner fresh from the bench, and Brady and Mahomes are like, attack. The Benford got hurt for the bills. The minute they're out. The minute they went on the floor. Attack. So the players are telling you, what are we doing here? 38 minutes without a basket, a 6-2 non-point guard, because he had a good G-League game.

You know? You know what? There's always been a question, and we haven't answered to it now. There's always been a question. What would it look like if you put an athletic non-NBA player in an NBA game? What would he look like? I think I'm being totally fair. I do not think I'm being unfair.

You know, the audience can't see this, but I couldn't make eye contact with you. You were so upset. Once you started unloading on the 20-year-old rookie who was put in by JJ Redick. Like Reddick gave a great press conference. I know we only showed a little clip. But he was like, listen, we're on a back-to-back. We're in the midst of a six-game road trip. I wanted an energy guy, a little spark, so I put Brony in early.

Okay? And it didn't quite work out. You know, the Lakers have a tough stretch here. Four national TV games and I think 10 days. does it matter if they're on television? Well, the national TV games are a little more, you know, the league really wants all the stars to play. And oh, by the way, Anthony Davis

goes down in the first half and it's like, oh my gosh, we're getting destroyed. Listen, I think you're going a little too harsh. One for 15. He's not had a great rookie year so far, but he's 20 years old. He's 20. What do you see that would lead you to believe?

He's not a great actor. I see an energy guy early in his career who comes off the bench, provides him, Let's go. Defense. I know it didn't show last night against Maxie, but it's tough to play defense when your rim protector is out injured. I don't know. You know, AD, he's hurt now. Looks like you might have jinks him on yesterday's show.

Looks like he's going to be out, re-evaluated in two weeks. You're becoming an NBA reporter. You know, he's an energy guy. What is that mean? He's a 20-year-old guy who comes off the bench in a back-to-back setting. What does that have to do with that? If you're 20 years old, who gives a rip about back-to-back? We know it's an 82 game season.

Baseball's a long season. Hockey's a long season. It's tough to maintain energy. He doesn't have a basket in his last 38 minutes. Hey, I've had cold stretches in my men's leagues. It happens to the best of us. But Colin, let's be real. And I talked about this on my podcast.

Like, Kansas City Chiefs treated the regular season this year, kind of like the NBA. They were unsurious for the first month. I know they went 15 and 2. I understand that. But if you watch what they did, they weren't trying to put up a ton of points, nothing exotic. And here they had their best offensive outlets. output in a conference championship game.

I think some of the elite NFL teams, Patriots did this, are going to start to hold back stuff for the playoffs. What does that have to do with the brawny story that we're supposed to all pretend this is a real thing? If his dad wasn't LeBron, would he be on the team? Probably not. In the NFL, would you have somebody's son on the team? That's totally different.

Okay. Patrick Bowles, I don't know if this kid's going to be eligible. The NFL prioritizes winning. It's serious business. We don't have to ban phones from you. Well, 90% of NFL guys are done in the league by like 35. You know, you don't see a lot of 40-year-old NFL folks. I mean, the NFL, because the rosters are so huge, you could actually cheat on an NFL roster and find a place for a guy.

In the NBA, when you're not the Celtics or OKC and loaded, there's no area to waste a roster spot. But in baseball, you have a huge bullpen. I could see in baseball, football, hockey, you could slide a guy on. for a quick line. In the NBA, you got how many roster spots? Listen, Brony is averaging 23, 6, and 5 in the G league, shooting 45% on threes. There is growth.

We can at least admit that, a 20-year-old showing growth in the G-League. I'm not saying he's going to be a star or even an all-star. What set me off is JJ Reddix. I put him in a bad spot. No, you didn't. You put him in a spot. He made the spot bad.

You didn't put him in a bad. spot. A bad spot. You're 20 years old. We're playing the Sixers on TV. Do you want to play? No, it's a really bad spot for me. It's a chance of a lifetime. That's what sets me off. I like LeBron. And I said when Bronny came out and played with his dad, I was like, cool. Like Ken Griffey and Ken Griffey's senior, both great. Ken Griffey Jr.'s obviously top five, 10 great players of all time. I understood the initial let's play him. But now you're trying to, like, you're going to guilt me into believing it's a real thing. I gave you the opening game.

I give you the fun of it. I'm not anti-anything. But you can't make me now want to buy into it. Like, I'm done. Like, stop with this. Well, they also got injuries. Gabe Vincent did not play last night. You know, shake Milton, who was part of that DFS trade, six minutes.

Like, you know, back to back. I know it sounds like I'm making excuses for LeBron. How about we just measure basketball players like we do? Pro football players. Why? Pro football players play 18 games over four months. The NBA season that lasts all year. And tackle each other at full speed.

So you're physically, it does a level. Patrick Mahomes is not lining up in the secondary in addition to being quarterback. Like, let's stop with the NBA NFL comparisons. Come on. Well, there is no comparison. Of course not. Jason Tatum made his NBA debut at 19 years old. Was he in bad spots?

No, he was asked to be good. Wait, Jason Tatum, the top three pick in the draft? A superstar from Duke? Well, this was the weakest NBA draft, some said ever. Yeah, but it was not great. So my question was always, what if it was a good draft? Would you find a spot for him then? By the way, there's stories the Lakers called people not to draft him.

You okay with that? I mean, I'm not thrilled with that. Yeah, nobody's thrilled with that. I'm not thrilled with any of it. But we all played along for a week. I'm not going to play along anymore. They're fifth in the west. What else do you want?

Let them play the young kid. Come on. Have a heart, cowherd. I know. I come across as, I guess it's this. There's two stories to every, sports, and I wrote it in my first book about this. There's two things happening with every story. The one we feed the public and the truth.

Right. What we're feeding the public is nonsense. It's BS. The truth is a six. two non-ball handler guard who can't shoot. What are we doing? It makes me be the ogre on the air and the bad guy, but it's like, what are we doing here?

Let's be serious as a sport. Let's talk about serious stuff. Real players. And again, I come across as bad guy. Like, I'm beating up on it, but it's like, you drafted him, you called teams told not to draft it, you move him up, and now you're reduced to, I put

the kid in a bad spot. I'm just over it. I'm over with the story. I'm done. No more stories on this. Well, you can do them in Hurdleline. I will just do this. When you talk about it, I'll just turn my mic off. I'm done. You've been thinking about home security now is the time to join millions of Americans

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I don't even know if there is an argument. The best player in the game is Sequin Barclay. And I was looking this morning at this season's numbers. He's number one in everything except rushing touchdowns. And he's got 18. The kid's unbelievable. all class. And I started a company a few years ago,

and I called a bunch of smart people. I called like Mark Cuban. I called people had been very successful, and I said, hey, give me a piece of business advice. And, you know, all of them have kind of the same messages. But I remember this piece of advice from somebody, hit a bunch of doubles, and you'll have a successful business

because other companies will make mistakes. You don't have to hit home runs. Hit doubles. You'd be amazed how often somebody makes a mistake, and that's how Sake I, Barkley, ended up with the Philadelphia Eagles. Drew Brees became a saint because a Miami Dolphins doctor

wouldn't clear him. Mistake. Reggie White became a packer. He was in Philadelphia. Their owner, Norman Brahmin, was so cheap and short-sided. He not only hired Rich Coatite, arguably the worst head coach ever, but he charged players

for equipment to maximize profits. It was a second-tier organization. Roger Charles Woodson went from to Green Bay. Immediate Super Bowl. Why? Because old Al Davis thought he was Jerry Jones and was the GM and the owner.

And at that point was weird and frugal and making terrible decisions. And you start looking around Brady and Tampa. Bill thought he was done. Bill couldn't provide him with receivers. He started to alienate Tom. And in the end, he had no succession plan. They made a big mistake. Brady, even after all the years in Tampa, was still a top 7, 8 quarterback.

So when I look at the Sequin Barclay situation, you had Joe Shane, a GM in New York, who bought into this silly online media narrative that running backs had topped out. They had no value long term. And as we said, it was March 11th or something like that was the day that it happened. I said he's not only going to succeed in Philadelphia, but because the Giants O-line was so bad and they have no star weapons on the perimeter. You can cheat when you play the Giants against Sequin. You can stack the box.

But with A.J. Brown and Devante Smith, the safeties are off the line and the O-line's first or second best in the league. It's not like he's going to be good in Philly. He's going to be dominant. Don't even listen to any of these people on the internet. Go pay a running back. Go buy him. This was a huge mistake.

And we watched HBO Max. We watched the Giants and Mara. Now, ridiculous it was. So this is an organization. They paid Daniel Jones and they let Sey Juan Barclay walk. And I believe this to my core. You do not have to be a genius to get rich. You do not have to be brilliant.

You don't have to be like Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, TechWiz to be very successful. Hit doubles in life and then wait for other people to make big mistakes. That's it. Just don't take all the wild big swings regularly. In occasional big swing. But I mean, all Philadelphia did was go, well, man, if this guy's rushing for that in New York with no weapons on the outside to keep safeties out of the box in a bad old line, and Daniel Jones, what is he going to do here? I mean, of all Howie Roseman's moves, it's actually not that impressive. It's obvious. The fact that it was available is nuts. It was just another mistake. It could be a Miami doctor, a bad owner in Philadelphia, a grumpy coach in New England.

just wait. That's the only time Hall of Fame level talent in their primes available. The free agent market is generally you know, it's got kind of a Jimmy Butler feel to it where good player aging wants big money.

That's always kind of what free agency feels like I'm not saying Jimmy Butler can't play. I think he would make the Warriors better, but I'm not going to build my franchise around him. I'm not giving him huge money. Does he fit? Can he make us better on the Steph Curry timeline? I mean, this was a Hall of Fame talent in their prime, and somebody let him walk like somebody did with Charles Woodson, Reggie White, and Drew Brees.

J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. All right, Colin, let's start with interesting comment here from Jalen Hertz after they won the NFC championship. I think he joked that Nick Siriani let me out of my straight jacket. little bit and then of course the Philly media was like whoa wait oh there's still a rift between these two Syriani addressed it yesterday downplaying Hertz's

comment we've been winning a couple different ways this year I think he's just having fun after the after the game you know but I know this like and he said this plenty of times you don't care how we win I don't care how we win as long as we win and we do everything we can do to be able to win I think we all understood. I didn't think it was a big deal. Well, the problem is Hertz is kind of a serious guy.

He walked around with a briefcase and he's serious. I love him. So was this a joke or was this like dry humor from Jalen Hertz? I don't know the answer to that. Well, I think Jalen Hertz has felt fairly that they've sort of built the offense more around the run game, reduced his numbers of throws. And he was saying, hey, I got to let loose a little bit.

And because Washington's defense is not as good. First of all, I love his personality. I wish every quarterback in the league, you know I love that Justin Herbert, Jalen Hertz's personality, no nonsense, all business, briefcase to work, don't give the media anything. I love him. But I do think this team is better when it is geared around Saquan Barclay. And that's, and it's funny because I'll watch Philadelphia play. And there are times, and I feel, I don't feel this about anybody, including the Chiefs.

there are drives and quarters with the Eagles that I wonder how they ever punt. They do everything. And when Jalen is in his rhythm, and he's not always, there are times he feels a little off. Half the time I think he's hurt. He's never 100%. But I don't feel like I necessarily always get elite guy from the pocket with Jalen Hurts. And I think the organization sees it. Everybody in the league sees it.

Greg Kosell sees it on the film. And so they built it to not depend on him. And in this game, he got to cook a little. And he was great. But I don't take, I don't, listen, in Philadelphia, you say anything. If you said this in Tampa, it doesn't make the news. You say it in Philadelphia. It's on WIP for the next six hours.

The only issue is there were many, many reports from a lot of credible reports. I think Breer was one of them who had Siriani and Hertz rift in the offseason. Then you had the former player, I want to say Fletcher Cox, came out and said, AJ Brown and J.L.N. Hertz, don't get along. Remember on the radio? It's like, why do we keep? keep having these like squabbles inside the Philadelphia locker room when all they do is pretty much win. Like that's, that can't be good.

Well, I think it is just, this goes back to what I said. There are families in America. Sebastian Manacosco jokes about. Oh, yeah, yeah, you got. A stand-up comedian. This family, all he did was argue and yell and it was just combustible. And yet they love each other. Is that not every family, some families are loud and they're combustible and they are

argue and that's their sign. You know, what do they say about people in Boston? When people are giving you crap in Boston, it's a sign of affection. You're officially one of us. You know, Goodwill hunting. You watch the bar scenes. If we can make fun of you, you're one of us. And I think Philadelphia is a different town, highly emotional.

The roster's got some emotional guys. I think Siriani feeds into that. And I think it works for them. And that's my conclusion, because I can't figure it out. I think it works for them. Well, it sure works when they're rolling. You know, let's see what happens if they're three and five next year at the start of the season. Let's see how that love language is going to come off, huh?

Pretty good. Next story is, oh, this is an interesting one. So Mike McCarthy is officially pulling his name out of the coaching search in New Orleans, and he will be looking for a job in 2026. Very interesting that he seemed in lock for the same story. job, and now it looks like it's going to Kellynne Moore. McCarthy seemed in line for the Bears job. That went to Ben Johnson. You know, sometimes the world works in mysterious ways. I think McCarthy dodged a bullet here, big time. Yes, there was only one great job last year. That was

the Chargers. Harbaugh took it. I think there were two really interesting jobs this year. Drake May and the Patriots were the most cap space in the room. And I think the Bears is very interesting because the roster's good and Caleb. But if you think about J-Mac, there's about seven jobs open a year. If you go back a decade, there's always one really good job, and then there's a couple you're like, maybe that works. But over half are like hazmat spills. Like you should not take them. I mean, New Orleans has zero cap space. They're in cap hell, and they don't have a star quarterback, and the quarterback's older and kind of expensive, and they don't have a lot of elite players. That's not an elite job. I mean, why would Mike McCarthy step in from one dysfunctional place to another place with major issues?

So I think McCarthy just saying, I'm going to go to next year. I think it's, I think I'm surprised that nobody offered him a job, but I think he's better off. Well, how does this, why would Kellyn Moore be looking to leave the Eagles? Because he's going to get. To go to the Saints. Okay, but again, a million and a half a year to seven to ten. A lot of this is financial for young guys. You know, we talk about this, movies, sports media, like literally any job out there.

You got to be careful just to get to the top spot. Because I'm telling you, man, this New Orleans ain't job. Kellynne Moore could be out of a job in two years. And then, is he getting another head coach again? Well, here's the thing. That is easier to say for like a Mike McCarthy who's made a ton of money. He's got a $50 million net worth. That's harder to say to a young guy who's never gotten rich.

Well, Kelly Moore was an NFL quarterback for five years. I know he wasn't making $20 million a year. He was a quarterback. He was a quarterback in the NFL. He's been an offensive coordinator. He's chasing money. He's only 36. I'm just telling you that you look at that same roster, that outlook, it is not pretty.

Well, you know, I keep telling you stop chasing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I talked about it elsewhere, shall we say. We won't talk about it on this show. Anyways, final story, Colin, listen, it's NFL draft season. And Daniel Jeremiah, you know, we love that guy. He's very good. Sharp individual.

He has put out his initial mock draft. There are some surprises here. Now, I don't think Jeremiah is one of these hot take guys. looking to make noise, but he has Abdul Carter from Penn State going number one. He is the best player. I don't dispute him being the best player. I believe Abdul Carter's the best player. I think T-Mack's the second best player, receiver from Arizona.

So he has T-Mack going eighth to Carolina, which I like a lot. So this doesn't mean they're the best player. You're saying this is what he's predicting where they go. Yes. Now, Colin, let's be real. Brian Callahan finally got a head coaching job. I think they were two and 15 against the spread. They were the worst team in the league.

If they tried out Will Levis, Brian Callahan will be out of the head. of a job this time next year. He will not be coaching a third year. This is interesting. You can't take Abdul Carter first. You cannot. Why not? You have to take a quarterback.

No, you don't. So what are you going to do? Tell me the game plan. So Callahan keeps his job. Give it to me. I think if you feel good, you only have been coaching one year. I think you go to your owner and say,

listen, we don't think these quarterbacks are B prospects. We can win seven games with what we have, which gives us the opportunity after the Giants get their quarterback and maybe the Browns or the Raiders get their quarterback. Who's going to need a quarterback next year? We're getting to a saturation point. There's like four teams next year that need a quarterback. If the Giants get theirs, if the Browns get theirs, if the Raiders get theirs, who needs a quarterback? We just saw two NFL head

coaches, Pierce and Patriots guy, Mayo, both won and done. NFL owners are not sitting around and waiting. I'm telling you, Callahan, if he does not take a quarterback or somehow luck into Aaron Rogers or something in free agency, he's gone after next season. You know what's funny?

What's happening here is Shadur Sanders, and this happens, is getting so nitpicked. Speaking of sons, proving that I do like to see dad and sons when I think they're both legitimate. Shadour Sanders now is getting so nitpicked, and we're so in love

with Travis, Hunter, and Cam Ward. And I've talked to now three different GMs. They all like Shadur Sanders. They don't think he's an A-plus-plus, but I will just tell you, Shadur Sanders is a starting quarterback in this league and is incredibly accurate. Moving left, moving right off platform, going back. Shadur is an NFL quarterback.

So why does Jeremiah have to be able to? But let me tell you, Shadur Sanders is a real player. He has Shadur going six to the Raiders. We know he wants to go to the Raiders. If he goes to the Raiders, Pete Carroll is very lucky. You could do way worse than your first pick is Sondor Sanders. The other issue I have with Jeremiah is Cleveland not taking a quarterback, given Deshawn Watson just popped his Achilles twice,

and you're going to go, Travis Hunter? Listen, I like Hunter. This generational stuff is overblown. Cam Ward to the New York Giants sounds good. Listen, it's... How about my guy? Tyler Warren to the Jets. I'm going to tell you something.

I love that. Tyler Warren is a stud. He's not Brock Bauer's stud, but he's really good. And Mikhail Williams, who, who... Texas quarterbacks are still having nightmares about what he did to them in Texas earlier this season. Williams is an animal off the edge. I like him to New Orleans at 9. Let me tell you something. If that kid from Arizona drops to 8, that will be the steal of the draft. Him and Bryce Young together.

There is a general manager I know who thinks that's the best player in the draft, Abdul Carter 2nd. That Arizona kid was unstoppable in high school, unstoppable in college. I'm telling you, he is unbelievable. For what it's worth, Jeremiah in his write-up compared McMillan, T-Mack, to Drake London, which is good, but not like... No, no, no. I like Drake London a lot. He's better than Drake London, and I like Drake London a lot.

Drake's excellent. Last one, Ashton Genty and the Cowboys, which basically... Okay, can I throw this out of... Get into the draft. The most overdrafted player is going to be Genty. So this is a great running back draft. It is unbelievable. The 13th, 14th best running back...

to me is 80% of Gentie. Ohio State has two guys who are 80%. Both excellent. This is not a draft to take a running back in the first round. It's just a lot, and he is not Sequin. He's not Ezekiel Elliott, where he's in a major conference and literally with a bad old line and, I mean, Sequin had a bad old line at Penn State and was unstoppable

in a major conference. I like Gentie, but in a stacked running back draft class. Be careful. I think this is an overreaction to the Penn State game. You know, Gentie, you watch just the highlights. He's good, he's good. Look at Oregon highlights. He looks like, and I'm sorry to say that, he looks like Barry Sanders and some of these Oregon highlights.

The kid is special. I have changed my, I'm allowed to change my mind. And I have come to the conclusion, this running back draft is the best in forever. The player I'll use, because I watched him play every game, is the kid at USC Woody Mark. Woody Marks is listed as the 14th best running back in this draft. He is a starting running back in the NFL on 23 teams. This draft is not a draft. You can get 90% 80% of Genti, second, third, fourth round.

I know we're running long, but here, the Blick Corum, who we loved coming out of Michigan, could barely get on the field with the Rams. Well, he had an injury, and I don't think he's ever quite been the same post-injury. I mean, I think that's fair. He broke his fore on. Somebody's running back with major tread on the tires coming out of college. I think you have to be a little cautious of that. That's J-Mack with the news.

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Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball like, after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

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They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see.

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Yeah. I felt after that Brony opening, I need to dial it back a little bit. Coffee, a little change up, you know. I supported Chodor Sanders. I'm four great athletes having kids that play. I was a Ken Griffey Jr. freak forever. But don't pretend something's happening when it's not happening. that's all I'm saying about brawny

so Pete Carroll was being very diplomatic he was on a podcast yesterday and he was asked about the chance of a reconciliation or Russell Wilson could be on the market and he could be the Raiders quarterback and Pete was being very diplomatic

it's so early I mean we're just in the midst of just trying to find the puzzle pieces not even putting them together yet so I can't I can't even say I mean guys are still free agency hasn't come yet that's the first competitive opportunity that will occur and then the drafts come and we'll have that opportunity to do things i i can't tell you right now i mean i could i could guess but it would just be a guess uh some movies they're not worth a sequel and because i'm from the pacific northwest the pete russ legion of boom

seahawks it was the first team my sister ever liked my sister's not into sports we started texting about sports on Sunday really connected because of Russell and the Seahawks. And I, there's two quarterbacks that Greg Coasell and I, only two that I can think of, have ever really disagreed about.

I like Trevor Lawrence and Russell, always more than he did, and I may be 0 for two. Trevor Lawrence does not have the obsessiveness. I think you need to go from good to very good and great. He's plateaued. I'm not sure if he loves the sport. He's good at it. He's talented. I feel like this is just

what he's willing to be, and we keep blaming coaches. And Russell Wilson, I always thought he led the potential dynasty. It was him. Not him alone, but him. But if you look back, he was small, he was creative, he was elusive. I'd never seen anything quite like him. At the time, I think I compared him to a 1970 quarterback Fran Tarkinton, or maybe Roger Staubach.

I'd never quite seen it. I think he got other guys drafted. But Greg Kosell would always say, he's not really good from the pocket. I can't really explain it, but it's almost like when he goes back to pass, he already knows that he's going to leave the pocket. He doesn't really feel comfortable in the pocket. Now, I think Jalen Hertz is not a great pocket quarterback, but I do think he does feel comfortable in the pocket. I still don't think Russell does. I just couldn't see through the fog of maybe it was my sister's love for the Seahawks.

That was my favorite team growing up. But I would say this, not all movies need a sequel. The best the Seahawks were is when they were called Legion of Boom. and when the Seahawks started to regress, it was called Let Russ Cook. And I thought it was great. I bought into the hype. But if I take a step back, I was kind of critical of the Pete Carroll Russell-Wilson thing. I, like, didn't get it.

What are you doing, Pete? But in the end, John Snyder got himself out of Russ and built a great roster. Now, they're still looking for a quarterback, but it is a really good roster in Seattle. And Denver got stuck with a quarterback they didn't want. And now Pittsburgh's got a quarterback they're not sure about and probably don't want. And so I would say in this instance, no sequel. It was great. It was magical. It was really brief. It's not going to be Brady Belichick. Some of this stuff in the NFL, Sam Darnold and the Vikings, one year feels like it was perfect. Sam's going to get paid. J.J. McCarthy got hurt.

It was one year. And I really feel like Russ and Seattle, about the Seattle needed a quarterback. they at one point they traded for Charlie Whitehurst. They didn't, Matt Flynn, they didn't know. Pete was in trouble. Seven and nine, seven and nine. We got to get a quarterback. And it was magical for about a six, seven-year run. Pete was out of USC.

You know, he's drafting all sorts of players in the fifth, sixth round that end up great players. But I've just come to terms with not every great head coach quarterback combo is any more than one year. Darnold and the Vikings. One year was perfect. If you extend it to four, you're probably getting in the way of J.J. McCarthy's development. It was one great year. The Rust thing felt like six to seven really strong years. They probably could have moved off a couple years earlier.

And I was wrong on that one. Saints, for the record, still do not have a head coach. Kellen Moore, my guess is, is the coach. They're just waiting for the Super Bowl to end. So I don't love the idea of hiring the last coach. That means you get the star. scraps on the coordinators and assistants. He'll have to take somebody from Philadelphia or several people on the Eagle staff.

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