The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Tatum Isn't The One

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Colin Cowherd gives his thoughts on the Celtics getting their first win against the Knicks, why Jayson Tatum isn't the face of the NBA, Giannis Antetokounmpo finally expresses a willingness to continue his career outside of the Milwaukee Bucks, thoughts on tonight's NBA Draft Lottery, the latest out of Cleveland Browns minicamp, and more! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Radio or FSR. Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Oh, here we go. It is a Monday, and there is a lot to talk about live. This is The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. I was thinking about this, J-Mack, one hour from now where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong.

I was thinking about this this morning, is that you always want to be the man, right, when you're a professional athlete, but you don't want to be the only man. And, you know, the Warriors have Jimmy Butler, but they're pretty unwatchable without step. They're playing 13, 14 guys. And you can watch when Yokic is tired for Denver. They can't score. And we always say, stop telling me Jason Tatum is the face of the league. This team is great without him. But the advantage is he doesn't have to be great and they win. And that's a great feeling. And I was thinking about watching game three. Tatum was very good early, but really Peyton Pritchard as the Celtics who have led New York by 20 points minimum, six of the seven times they've

played this year. They have a much better team, a much better roster. Over the last seven to eight years, Boston's a much better franchise. But when Jason Tatum plays poorly or doesn't play, the net rating often goes up. Do you watch the Warriors without Steph? It's hard. They're unwatchable. You see Yokish is now gassed. Denver can't score. You see the value and the importance. And I love Chet Holmgren, but if SGA is off, Oklahoma City is usually going to lose. And I'm watching Tatum with the Celtics. He's just another successful banker at Deutsch. I mean, they've got like eight guys that can shoot threes. Peyton Pritchard in game three was the dog. He was the guy. And you watch the Celtics, you could make an argument if you're looking

for a nickname for Tatum, it's the beneficiary. Beneficiary of Brad Stephen. of Danny Aange, of a roster that is easily the most complete in the league. That includes O'KC. You see what Cleveland's having all sorts of trouble. Boston's trouble is sometimes they can't hit their threes. That's like their only issue. Twitchy, defenders, size, for God's sakes, they have three point guards. The Celtics are two things.

One, excellent front office. Secondly, the formula. And I'm watching, I'm watching Tatum, and he's such a, nice guy and he is such collaborative guy that the beneficiary sometimes he just melts into the fabric he's just another really good player

the most talented player on that team but I as I'm watching them play the Knicks it's Peyton Pritchard that has the hot hand there have been moments when Al Horford from the corner has it or Jalen Brown is the MVP of the Eastern Conference finals last year

or the finals when you look at the Denver Nuggets When Yokic sits or doesn't play, the net rating plummets, actually the last couple years with and without Tatum, playoffs, regular season, it goes up for Boston. And that's not a criticism. It's like when you go to work and there's so much depth of roster and so much excellence at work that you don't get all the credit,

sometimes you don't even win MVP or employee of the month. But you drive to the arena knowing you don't have to carry the team. Because in pro sports, you can take all the money you want. Losing stinks. And Boston just doesn't lose much. I have a hard time believing after losing the first two games at home. They can come back and win the series. But why?

They're clearly the better team. But I was listening to Tatum after, and it's his, not ambivalence, it's his reality and understanding and self-awareness that he is part of something unbelievable. And because of that, he'll probably not. never quite get the credit of the Yokic SGA's Kobe and his primer MJ. You understand what comes with being that guy, right? I live a great life.

I ain't going to live. I make a lot of money. I take care of my family. I've been able to experience a lot of things. But you also have to accept what comes with that, right? I get a lot of praise. I get a lot of credit. I get a lot of accolades.

But, you know, I'm not perfect. There's times where, you know, I've needed to play better. I've needed to do more. And, you know, that's what comes with being, you know, that guy. On a team with a bunch of guys. All right, Shams reporting this morning. All you Buck fans, so mean to me for years when I suggested this. Go ahead, bring the apologies.

I'll accept him. Words are hurtful. Yeah, Janus is going to. explore the best fit outside of Milwaukee. I won't demand an apology, but again, it's been very hurtful the last three years. Listen. Facts.

You got 12 great years from him. If you've had 12 great years outside of maybe your kids, 12 great years from a boss, from a relationship, that's a lot of good. That's a big chapter of your life.

You're the oldest team in the league. you don't control your first round picks for I think five years. You've been creaky for years. Everybody saw it coming. It's time to blow it up and start over. The last three years, Janice has given you 30 points a game, 59% from the field.

He's averaging that the last three seasons and 11 rebounds, and you don't have a playoff series win. The day move felt nice, but it was desperate. Three different coaches, three first round exits, you have replaced in Milwaukee everything under the hood and you're still stuck with a broken down hoopty.

That's all you got. Spark plugs and new windshield wipers will not do. You got 12 years out of it. 12 great years in a trophy. Think of those great Sacramento King teams. No trophies. Think about Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco,

all that money, all those wins. No trophies. Baltimore Ravens have dominated the regular season it feels like three straight years in the AFC with Mahomes, no trophies. Josh Allen, no trophies. Denver got one. You're right. Denver got one.

Milwaukee, got one with Lou Alcinder, got one with Yonis. You moved off him and were viable for a decade. You probably won't get everything you want. but if you look at what Houston could provide and what Oklahoma City could provide and San Antonio could give you all would be interested and you can learn from the mistake Dallas made

so Dallas the Mavericks bizarrely and foolishly sent Luca to a Western Conference rival Senyana's the three teams that will create the best packages are all west your east OKC, San Antonio Houston. Send him West.

If you meet him, it'll be in the finals. You're not going to have seven years of him knocking you out, giving you a visual facial. You're not going to get that. And then you supplement your roster. You'll get four first-round picks. Houston can give you three starters. Get younger, get flexible, control some first-round picks.

In the much weaker east, outside of Boston, everybody else is close. I mean, Cleveland's falling apart. Indiana's beatable. Do you trust Philadelphia? I like Boston a lot, but they struggle to beat the next at home. Everybody outside of the Celtics roster, beatable, close. So it's one of those things where sell him west, get your picks in the week east.

I was talking to a friend yesterday, very shrewd guy in business. And he's had clients for years. He does very well for himself. And, you know, I tend to ask this when I meet somebody or a friend. We get talking a little bit of business, and I said, what do they all have in common? He says, one thing I've learned through the years, all my A-plus clients, they're all decisive. They know what they want, and they go for it. Because as Jeff Bezos has often said, people overestimate how much a mistrade or a deal that goes a little sideways,

you over-evaluate, you over-concern yourself with the bad. That's how our brains work. Milwaukee, you're probably never going to get somebody in the draft that's as good as Yonnas. But you got a trophy, you got 12 years, get four first-round picks, one of those four is going to hit, get three starters, two bench guys. All this is fear. You are a non-viable franchise right now. And by the way, Golden State, and I'll get to this later,

Golden State's got to think about doing this. Because in the West, which is much deeper, much better with Houston, San Antonio and OKC, as bad as they'll be now, you do not Golden State want to become Janus in the bucks with Steph. But I think everybody in Milwaukee's like, oh, what will we become? Who cares? Niners, Ravens, Bill, Sacramento Kings that don't have trophies. We don't know if OKC will ever get one. You got one. with L. Sender, with Janus, take a big swing.

Be decisive. So, Shom's reporting, he is now going to explore options. I know there's a lot of people that want Janus. I think most will have to settle for the KD sweepstakes over the Yonis sweepstakes. So I think you would admit this. It's probably going to take minimum three, maybe five first rounders and starters to get him. And I don't think most teams are equipped. Houston is, OKC is, San Antonio could be.

San Antonio, by the way, the NBA draft lottery is tonight. If San Antonio, I'm kind of rooting for. No. Wemby, Castle, the rookie of your point guard and Cooper flag. Well, Deer and Fox also? Like, there's no chance that spurs are getting in. But regarding Janus, what do you think the market's like for him? Is it more, the bucks are like, we want the best deal or we want to make Janus happy?

Because this is where it could get dicey, Colin. If they say, hey, the best deal we're getting is from Brooklyn, Janice. You're headed to Brooklyn. He's not going to be happy with that. Well, my job, once I sell the house, it's not my concern. Once you move him, I'm not in the happiness business. I'm getting, you know, remember when Portland, Dame said, well, I won't do this. Boy, if you move Dame and he's not happy, players are selfish.

They take care of themselves. Teams have to take care of themselves and their fans and their advertisers. So I don't worry about that. I just don't think many teams are equipped. Like I think if San Antonio, for instance, won the lottery tonight and knew Cooper Flag was coming, and they said, Wembe, Janice, Cooper Flag, then they can move Castle the point guard. Because somebody would say, okay, I want Castle, I want a seven-time All-Star point guard, I want the next four first-round picks.

So it's interesting tonight. If San Antonio wins the draft lottery, they get a huge leg up on getting Yonis. Well, Houston also has like a 3% chance to win the lottery right there in the mix. And I'll just say this. If the Knicks somehow win tonight against the Celtics, I think we need to accelerate the Boston getting Yonis discussion. Because if Boston loses a series, you're looking at a new head coach and we've got to blow it up. For the record, the NHL draft just had their, that the team,

with like one, two, three percent, won. Oh, wow. Yeah, no, it happens more than you think. Cleveland years ago got it. It happens way more than you think. Atlanta last year in the NBA, Atlanta had three percent chance. They won last year's lottery. You didn't really want to win.

No, you didn't. But the point is this idea of frozen envelope with Ewing, Cleveland, Orlando won back-to-back lotteries. Atlanta won. The New York Islanders just won the NHL lottery. They had like one and a half two percent. But we don't need Cooper Flag in the West. We need him in the East.

He sounds like no good players, Colin. Come on. You're going to ship Yonis to the West. If you are the Spurs and you win it tonight, Wembe Cooper Flagg, I can give away my all end, by the rookie of the year. That is a,

that is as good, that's better than Shengoon. That's better than Jalen Green. That's, but that is a massive benefit for San Antonio. Would you trade Cooper Flagg and Castle and whatever else salary for Janus? No. No.

You know what? Castle and Cooper Flag can hit those free throws with a minute 40 left. Oh, come on. I like Janice. He's had three great years. I'm not giving those two guys up. Cooper Flagg could be a 15-year, 24-a-game guy, 24, 9, and 8. The way I'm giving it up.

Okay. And tonight's lottery is fascinating because you have a dominant star week one. Yeah. I'm fired up. Yeah. Jay Mack, we got Colin right, Colin wrong on a Monday. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd. weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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Would you take Cooper Flag, who, by the way, he's going to work to the degree. I mean, listen, generally speaking, if the scouts say are like, it's going to work. Like Andrew Luck was a, it's going to work. Tiger Woods, he's going to be great. Bryce Harper, it's going to work. Cooper Flagg, every scout will tell you. He's got 18 points as a rookie. You know, he just does everything well.

He's kind of, I would say, his comp is Jason Tatum. So let's say he's 95% of Jason Tatum. You have a multiple-time All-Star, and you're going to have, he's not going to cost much initially. And you're probably, remember, he's only 18 years old. Last year at Duke, he should have been, Cooper Flagg should have been a senior in high school last year at Duke. So you are getting a kid where you may get nine to 12 years of prime the way athletes are aging. Yannis, you got probably three more years of prime. So what if a Utah, I would love to see Utah win.

The economy is great. I think the owner, Ryan Smith's a brilliant guy. I have spent a lot of my time, off time in Utah. It's an incredibly well-run franchise, super young, smart owners, great city, almost like collegiate fans. if you're asking me who I'd like to win, I think Utah winning would be great, and it would be fascinating to watch Danny Aange between the owner and Aange,

and they got some pieces. Kessler's a really interesting player. I kind of would like to see Utah win it and just see if Danny Aange goes, okay, we've been building for a few years. Let's go get Yonis. That would be fat. Would you give up Cooper flag for Yonis?

I don't know if I will. I don't think it is really something you've got to sit and talk about. because I do think there are times when, I mean, I love Trevor Lawrence, but remember the quarterback, but remember Greg Kosell came on my show before he got drafted and said, yeah, I don't think he's nearly as good as Josh Allen. Oh, come on, Greg. Greg was right. I love Caleb Williams, but all my GMs are like, his accuracy is an issue.

He's got to clean his feet up, little emotional, that fingernail thing. Very rarely do you get every scout and GM, that guy's really good. Now, is he 21 a game or 28? I think he's probably somewhere in between. But when I watch him play, he just coincidentally went to the same college. I see Jason Tatum. So if I got 90 to 95% of that, I'm going to get 12 years barring injury, 12 years of excellent. And half of it at a really good price point.

You've got to think about that. So the NBA draft lottery, one of my favorite non-athletic events in sports. It's four Pacific, seven Eastern, I can't wait. J-MAC, go Utah Jazz. J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

I was going to float, we could get an adult beverage together and watch the draft ladder. I would. Unfortunately, I have a men's basketball game tonight. 6.30. Can't drink before a men's league game. Come on, why not? Come on.

When you're coming off the bench, why not? All right, let's start with the Indiana Pacers. Hey, listen, one guy here, called the Pacers. You did. Over the Cavs. You did. Topping going Dr. Jay there.

Wow. And Indiana was up by, let me check this, a 41 at halftime. What happened? And then it got worse, Colin. Donovan Mitchell did not play in the second half. He got to get an MRI, did not look good. They're calling it maybe a calf issue. Colin, it's over.

It's over. It's over. It's absolutely over. I could not believe what I, like when I watch the games this weekend, when I watch, I have this theory on the Denver Nuggets. I was telling Ryan this. I can tell five minutes into every Nuggets game how it's going to go. Because they have a lot of veterans.

If they're tired and lack energy in the first five minutes, it's like it's just, they may keep it close, but they'll run out of gas. If they're energized and warm-ups, they're wearing stuff for the game, and they give you great energy early, that means they've got enough for four quarters. Oklahoma City, you felt four minutes in, five minutes in.

You're like, their depth and roster, Denver looks gasped now. Indiana, now I loved them over Milwaukee. You loved them over Cleveland. What they do really well is they played their game, way more than you playing yours. If you watch the Pacers, it's like, and Carlisle is a great coach, we're going to do what we do. We're not going to let, that was always Yokic's key.

Remember when LeBron said Yokic plays at his speed, and you can't speed him up and you can't slow him down? Indiana kind of plays at their pace and does their thing. And that's Halliburton, controlling the pace of their offense. Yeah, and, you know, you mentioned Carlisle. He does know even up 3-1 jobs not finished yet for the Pacers. We're going to keep approaching this like we have everything to prove. And we know people don't believe in us.

And so we're going to just stay in the fight and keep fighting. But we've got to stay in the present moment as much as we can, try to maintain an edge. You know, there's going to be a big haymaker coming on whatever day it is, Yeah. Caitlin Clark and Halliburton, pretty good next five years in Indy. Yeah, I saw some social media activity around how good sports are in Indiana. I guess the Hoosiers got a new coach. Notre Dame just went to the national championship. Like everything's coming up in Indiana right now.

I'll say this, the Pacers, if they close out the series in five, Donovanichael may not play. They're going to have probably like five or six days rest while the Celtics and Knicks beat each other up. I feel like Indy doesn't need rest. true because they're not an old team you know like Denver needs rest oh like the lakers needed rest there are teams that need rest I think Indiana is one of those roll the ball out they can play it's weird we talked about the calves all season they were 60 something wins total I think they started 15 and oh and yesterday's performance is

probably the most gutless game I've seen you're down 41 and a half time you never see that from like a 60 win team oh yeah and that's that is something it is okay to lose playoff games like you don't want to lose the way Boston did in game two. But at least Boston didn't quit. They just couldn't. Their formula didn't work. They screwed up. Yeah, their math didn't work.

Cleveland no-show. That game was awful early. After dominating game three and winning handle, remember? And they've got youth. It's not like they were tired. They've got youth on that roster. Not good at all. All right, let's go to the NFL.

Colin. Brock Purdy deal still not done, but Tom Pellasaro NFL Network expects a contract to be completed by the start of training camp. Right around the corner. Pellasaro adds he anticipates the contract to be somewhere in the $50 million range. I don't know that that means 48 or 55, but we continue to do this dance and you love to talk Brock Purdy. I think we're going to be doing this for another few weeks.

If it comes in at $45 million or less, I will pick them for third place. If it's 52 or more, get the brooms out. Time to clean out the front office. I feel like you are becoming a politician who just wants to win deals. I would take Purdy at 45. No. He's my tariff. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't. Listen, I'm not going to get too worked up. I think it's going to be fine. We've heard no noise out of the Purdy camp. He's not putting cryptic crap on social media. He's handling it well. I think it's going to. He runs the offense very well.

He deserves to be compensated. His family probably will not ever watch this show, but numbers matter. If you give me Josh Allen, you're going to win those. If you give me Brock Purdy or Sam Darnold as a team, I need to win those. You're benefiting greatly. I mean, obviously, Sam Darnold's career, Kevin O'Connell was in the left tackle and Justin Jefferson are a part of it.

So these numbers matter. If Dak isn't at 60, he's at 42, Dallas has a number two receiver and doesn't have to get pickings, and they've got a great all-pro tight end next to Ferguson. These numbers matter. You know you're my guy, but you just put Purdy in Sam Darnold's. He's not as talented as Sam. He went to a Super Bowl and they barely lost in overtime. Okay.

Josh Allen, who you love, who everybody loves. How many Super Bowls has he been to? I lost track. I'm sorry. I forgot. What's the number? Anyone? Anyone?

Okay. So let's just not. diminished purdy. He is a great quarterback. I know he went in the seventh round and he struggles in inclement weather. He struggles with clouds. All right. Let's just, I don't want to argue with you 30 minutes

in. Come on, it's a Monday. Colin, final story is we've got the first game of the NFL season. What? It was officially announced that the defending champion Eagles are going to open as a seven-point favorite when they host the Cowboys on Thursday, September 4th. I'll tell you right now. I've already bet

Philadelphia. I'm going to go online to my DK app in one second. At home, only favored by a touchdown? Hey, that's a win for the Cowboys. They don't have to go to Philly in like December. I'm actually, you know what? You know what they're saying? Let's get Dallas on early because by week seven,

there'll be four games back. That's what that is. That is get Dallas on early. That's not a bad take. Yeah, I mean, you want the Cowboys on. People will watch the Cowboys in week one. I'm telling you right now, by week eight, That is a two or a three-win team.

But they'll be healthy week one. Schottenheimer's an offensive coach. He can bring some wiggles. I don't have the numbers yet, but I do believe Super Bowl champs kind of sort of struggle out of the gate. We do have that they are 15 and 5 in the NFL kickoff game since 2004. But like covering a touchdown against Dallas who's going to be motivated and healthy, right? Well, it is, you're a big underdog. People are going to say going to.

into that game. Dallas is awful and going to get humiliated. You're going to get the best Dallas effort. Remember a couple years ago, Detroit beat Kansas City. The really good teams now with a 17 game schedule. Like Philadelphia won't play anybody that's remotely dinged up. Dallas may because the game means more for Dallas. Dallas knows we don't have Philadelphia's depths of roster. So guys, you steal one here. We need it. Philadelphia can slow grow, slow build. and five is skewed by like Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. Like I love Jalen Hertz. I think he's the top five guy.

But yeah, you want Eagles. I may go head to head with you on that. I may take the points with the Dallas. I'm so excited that it's already been announced. It's probably going to be the only game I bet for the comments. So Wednesday is the official NFL schedule release. Yeah. Which is we've talked about this is a great day in America.

Yeah. We'll know exactly how the Jets are going to be next year because I know that's the first team. You better not go out Tuesday night. Wednesday's going to be a show. By the way, do you remember two years ago the excitement about the Jets in the offseason when they got Rogers? Not from this microphone. From this one. Yeah.

That one over there. It was exciting, though. I was thinking like Super Bowl, a FC championship. He went down on what play four of the season? Oh, God. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd line news. So we talk about this all the time. Everybody knows in baseball, there's a salary disparity, a payroll disparity. If you look right now in Major League Baseball, the rich teams are in first place. Yankees are crushing, Dodgers are crushing. We know that. In football, I don't think most fans talk about this or think about this. You think it's much more even.

But it does matter that the Roonies don't have a lot of money, and Stan Cronky and the Rams are really rich. It matters for free agents and facilities and spending. It just does matter. And one of the things that's become very clear since Steve Bashati bought the Baltimore Ravens is that he's the richest owner and he's the smart. owner and for the last 16 years if you count playoffs, the Ravens

are the winningest team with a flaco with a Lamar Jackson and I think it all starts with Steve Bashati upstairs. So the Shadur Sanders, I want to talk about this. So here's a prime example. Shadur Sanders, they had three-day minning camp for the Cleveland Browns. And

now Jimmy Haslam actually has some money. The Bengals owners and the Roonies are near the bottom of the league in Net Worth. But what the Browns have, is what I would call the Buffalo Bills used to have this years ago pre-Josh Allen. Low sports self-esteem. And years ago, Buffalo, Ryan Fitzpatrick in Buffalo got AFC offensive player of the month.

In October, they signed him to a six-year contract. Oh, my God, somebody likes us. So Jimmy Haslam, who's got some money, he drafted Johnny Mansell, Baker Mayfield, and Deshawn Watson. Those were his calls. headlines. So Shadur Sanders at the Thursday, Friday, Saturday, three-day rookie mini-camp, there's a lot of speculation. He wanted Shadur Sanders. The staff drafted Dylan Gabriel, Oregon, two rounds earlier. And they were doing that, not because they necessarily loved Dylan Gabriel, they liked him, but they thought it would stop their impulsive owner from forcing

them to draft in round four Shadur Sanders. So that's, that's some of the speculation. I tend to believe it based on Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Brown's history. You know, ridiculous to Sean Deal, drafting Johnny Mansell. Baker you can live with it because Baker can really play, but Baker was a personality, and that's big for low sports, self-esteem teams. And so here they went this weekend, and the video, it's just perfect for Jimmy Haslam. All the video out of rookie camp is Shadour Sanders. not the guy drafted two spots ahead, not the quarterback with a much better college resume of winning.

It was all Shadoor Sanders. I don't blame the kid, by the way. I would have drafted him higher. I think he's a franchise quarterback. I don't think he's great. I think he's a much better version of like a Kenny Pickett. But Kenny Pickett, I always thought was a backup. I think Shadour can start in this league.

I may be in the minority among GMs. I don't like the noise with dad and everything. But here was Shadour Sanders. again, saying the right things. Of course, it's day by day. I just find something I want to perfect and just perfect it to the best of my abilities. And that's all I really focus on.

Just being there, just being a leader, being a great teammate, doing what I need to do whenever it is. So I'm just thankful for an opportunity. Things could have been a lot worse, but I'm here smiling in front of you all at this facility right now. My job here is to prove people wrong. I prove myself right. That's, that's, that's, and I fully have self-belief, you know,

and what, what those people say, that's just their opinions. For the record, I don't think that Browns are going to be any good, but they're going to be interesting, and there's many elements of this team I love. I love the head coach. I love the GM. I love Miles Garrett. There's a lot of things about Cleveland I like. It's the upstairs thing.

Look at this division. The better the owner, Cincinnati's is changing. steep, Steeders' owners, Rooney's second poorest, Cleveland's is dysfunctional, Bashati's the richest, smartest, and winning us for 16 years. So I don't blame Shadour. To me, this has always been an ownership situation, but the owner got what he wanted. Shadour is all over video all over the country, the most interesting rookie.

Whether he's the best rookie or not, I doubt. We'll see Cam Ward apparently was really good with Tennessee. It's rookie cam. don't take too much out of it. But when I look at Shadour, all I can think of is Johnny Mansell, Deshawn Watson, Baker Mayfield, and Ryan Fitzpatrick getting a six-year deal

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So I watched the Warriors. They don't have anything. They're playing 14 guys, including a lacrosse player. Steph's 37. He's got a hamstring injury, which is an overuse injury. He's 38. I said this earlier. The story today is Shams reporting,

Janice wants out. Yonis is going to explore options. And the three teams that have the packages to get him are all younger, with more first-round picks. much more flexible than Golden State. San Antonio, Houston, OKC. All deeper rosters. Maybe they don't have quite the culture yet,

or they don't have Steve Kerr, or don't have a Steph Curry, but SGA, and Sam Presti, and that roster, I've got a much brighter future than Golden State. And so I'm watching, you know, the Warriors and Jimmy Butler and the lacrosse players battle. They acquired Jimmy Butler. to squeeze every last ounce of juice out of Steph Curry.

And, you know, it works. If he comes back, maybe they could win it in seven, but we don't think it's going to happen. Ker's a great coach. Steph's an all-time great player. They have a great culture. It's a really average roster. Steph, Butler, Kerr, Draymond Green.

You can see that Jonathan Kaminga can play a little bit, but not with Steph. The offense is, it just doesn't work for him when Steph's on the floor. So I think if you keep Steph and you, you have Steve Kurt, you'll always be viable. I think Steve pulls all the right levers, but you're a notch below being special. And I think Golden State, you know, and now because they have so many titles, and much like Derek Jeter, Steph feels untradable. And I'm somebody that believes you can trade anybody anytime as long as they're not in their prime. Steph's going

to be 38 years, but they wouldn't trade him. He is Bay Area basketball. But this is why the draft lottery so important tonight. Houston, Oklahoma City, and San Antonio, Houston and San Antonio, specifically can win the draft lottery tonight. And they're all getting better. They're all younger, more flexible, they're all more athletic, they have more draft picks. They're all going to be in the Janus and KD sweepstakes. So take OKC out of it, because they're good enough to win now. Houston and San Antonio aren't. But if Houston or San Antonio get Cooper flag, are you just going to bring Steph and Jimmy back? He had a hamstring injury.

That's an overuse injury. And I don't think it's a very good product without Steph on the floor. So you don't want to do a Kobe farewell tour where the Lakers were an unsurious basketball operation for Kobe's last couple of years. And you don't want to do Golden State, or Milwaukee, where they were old and out of it. I don't think the Warriors, even with Steph for a championship team. and I think they brought in Jimmy Butler to squeeze every last

ounce out of Steph's next couple of years because Butler's got a two or a three year deal, a little overpaid, but he's still a good player. But here's Steve Kerr after. It's just, I mean, it's just, when Steph's not playing, and next year he's 38,

it's hard to watch. It's hard to generate threes. I mean, you have to you have to gain an advantage and get rotations. and it's hard for us to do without Steph, without our point card, you know, and

pick and rolls. And Jimmy obviously is creating plenty, but it's different. It's not the same level of you know stretching the defense out like Steph does. And so we've got to find ways

to score more to try to generate more shots. And we'll look at the tape and figure that out. I I the downside to falling in love

with a player is Golden State we saw it we saw Milwaukee do it with Yannis they just got old and creaky really fast

and three years ago they were last year they absolutely were and this year it was kind of pathetic like they're just falling apart so what is Golden State

so hard to move Butler's contract Pat Riley said you can have it give me Andrew Wiggins I'll move that that'll expire so Golden State

is in danger of being, they'll have a better coach, but they're in danger of being Milwaukee or the Kobe farewell tour. And that's just not very serious basketball. And I'm telling you, if you look at the lottery tonight, if you look at those lottery odds tonight, if Utah gets Cooper flag in the number one pick, watch out because they are going to jump.

They can use that for a deal potentially for Janus. So now remember, you look at the, put it up on the board. Look at the lottery odds. The Atlanta Hawks won the lottery last year with only a 3% chance. The Cavs with only a 1.5% chance, 1 in 2014. The NHL draft last week, 3% chance, New York Islanders won it. So you start looking at those odds. For our radio audience, the favorites are Jazz Wizards and Hornets at 14%.

I think it would be so bad for the league if they're. the dysfunctional wizards or hornets won it. I just think it would be bad for the league. Pelicans would be kind of interesting. Zion and Cooper Flagg, you could put together a huge package and go after a Janus. I think Utah is smartly owned and smartly run with some really nice young pieces.

I think that would be great to watch. You know, listen, I'm a bull season ticket holder, so Chicago winning would be fun. Did he, the kid they got Josh Giddy and the kid they got last year in the draft, who's overperformed from France. But I think it really comes down to if the Spurs or the Rockets

win this puppy tonight, they have a chance. They are in the driver's seat for Janus. Because I think OKC looks at itself and thinks we've got a number one and we've got a number two. We've got a coach and a GM. If I owned OKC, I don't think I'm breaking the band up. I've got so many draft.

I mean, to me, SGA is an absolute very, verified one. You saw it yesterday's game at the end. He's hitting all the baskets. Chad Holmgren's an absolute one of the top six or seven number two's in the league. He's only getting better. They've got depth, defenders. I don't think OKC and Janus, why break it up? The chemistry is great. Their big issue is they didn't play any close games in the regular season. So in these close games, you're like, they're young. They haven't played these clutch time minutes. That's their only issue. Everything else, Presti, the coach, the roster, the star, the number two.

KC shouldn't screw around. But if San Antonio and Houston win it in your golden state, dude, you're behind them now. Your future's behind them now. You're, what is the point? San Antonio wins that thing tonight. I've got the rookie of the year the last two years and Cooper Flagg. I can move one of those guys and be in the driver's seat for Yon. Let me back up a little.

You said something like if, and I want the Hornets to get Cooper Flagg. I want Cooper Flagg on this. You're saying it would be bad for the league. why is it in the NFL when Joe Burrow goes to a crap franchise like the Bengals or Trevor Lawrence goes to a basically joke of a franchise, the Jags that it's great for the league because they need a great quarterback. But Cooper Flag would be bad for the league. Because the NFL is the number one sport by a mile. Market size is irrelevant.

Green Bay is a prime example, Baltimore, Kansas City. By the way, Joe Burrow would be better if he was in Pittsburgh or. Dallas, bigger brand. But he's fine in Cincinnati because he's so gifted. The NFL's playing by a different set of rules. We watch it, we bet it, we consume it, we go to it. It's a different sport. It's like in London, UK, the English Premier League is one thing.

Cricket auto racing tennis is another. So, I mean, Burrell led the Bengals to a Super Bowl. Yeah. You can do that if you're a great quarterback in a quarterback-centric league. You don't even need a great coach. the Wizards and the Hornets with Cooper Flag, Wemby to San Antonio, they didn't win one more game. Well, they just haven't got to the playoffs yet,

but that being said, like Joe Burrow got made the Bengals relevant. Trevor Lawrence made the Jags relevant. Cooper Flag would make the Hornets relevant. I don't think so. With Larry Johnson and Alonzo Morning got them to the playoffs. Let me ask you this. Exciting. Has Zion made the Pelicans relevant?

When he was healthy early, yes. For about an hour. Two hours. But yes, yes, correct. But there's just the potential to hope for these rotten franchises. I like that. Don't you like your sports? A little socialist?

No. You want everybody good? I am overjoyed that the Yankees and Dodgers are in first place and that Ohio State and Notre Dame and Michigan, Ohio State and Michigan winning natties. I didn't lose any sleep. No, I agree. That stuff's great. But I just want these franchises have been crap for decades. Why?

Because they're not any good players. No, because they're poorly run. And they're poorly run. Okay, I'm never going to root for poorly owned and poorly run franchises to get a gift. Michael Jordan. Spurs, I'm all for it. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.

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