The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The 2024 QB Class

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

Colin believes the 2024 draft class of quarterbacks could be one of the best we've seen based on the early returns we've seen from the preseason He gives his reasons why the Falcons will be fine this... season  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:25 I'm rolling up my sleeves. It's a work day. He's rolling his sleeves up, folks. Strap in. I'm like a farmer with a microphone. Ho the fields all day. That's all we do here. Up early, feeding the cows.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Do they have milk cows anymore or they got machines for that? In my family's heritage. That's what we do. They'll look up cowherd in the old country, my friend. So we should all root for all these quarterbacks to succeed, all these rookie quarterbacks. There's nothing worse than the one o'clock window and watching Bryce Young struggling. It's just turn it off. So Drake May is the one we worry about this year.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Of all the rookie quarterbacks first round, that's what we worried about. His comp was Justin Herbert, which is not a terrible comp. That's what I was told by two NFL execs. He's got a little Justin Herbert, but he's not. as polished as Justin Herbert was coming out of college. But the size, the arm, he's sturdy, he moves well. Last night, he's pretty good. He's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:04:26 Drake made pretty good. And that's good for all of us. He made a couple of throws last night. I got to be honest. And I was like, okay, I get it. And he's got nothing to work with. He's going against backups. You know, vanilla schemes, whatever.
Starting point is 00:04:43 But J.J. McCarthy looked excellent. Now, he's out for a year getting a meniscus rehab, okay? But everybody else has looked good, including now Drake May and against Philadelphia last night. And we've had recent drafts, by the way. If you go to 2020, four years ago, that's the greatest quarterback draft in the history of the league. Nobody wants to admit it. Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Jordan Love Hertz, five for five, all got big second contracts. And they're all, I'm not a huge Tua fan, but they're all top 12.
Starting point is 00:05:12 I think two is in that 12 range. That's fair. all of them in one class. In fact, you go back to 1983, the John Elway, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino class is considered the all-time greatest, but it's just three. Now we had the Eli Manning,
Starting point is 00:05:26 Big Ben Philip Rivers class, that's 2004. But in 2020, we got five dudes who look like they can all get your team on a playoff run, even two if they're hosting playoff games. So more of these quarterbacks should be hitting. And I talked about this with our, team this morning as we were preparing, we've had these seven-on-seven camps be ramped up over the last
Starting point is 00:05:50 10 to 12 years. Offensive coaching is just much better in high school. It's much better. There's quarterback coaches. It's now not even a cottage industry. It's a full-blown industry. So the quarterback should be getting better. They take 10,000 snaps by the time they're 13 years old. Go look at Drew Bledsoe and Troy Aikman's careers. You had to be like your sixth year in the NFL to get those snaps. So the kids have better coaching, more snaps early in their life. And I think high school and college football coaching gets smarter and smarter all the time. NFL coaching gets better. So I watched him last night and I'm like, could we have another 2020? Because it should be hitting. We should not have as many busts as we do. It's just like
Starting point is 00:06:35 Hollywood figured this out. Hollywood just had too many misses. Too many misses. It was art house films, quirky, niche stuff. The critics loved it. And eventually Hollywood said, let's just reduce the number of whiffs. Let's do remakes. Let's do franchises. The art critics won't like it,
Starting point is 00:06:53 but we won't have as many whiffs. We want to fill theaters. Let's do another Mission Impossible. Let's do another Jason Bourne. Like, sorry, John Wick, they don't miss. And, you know, all the artists are like, there's nothing creative. You're not paying the bills.
Starting point is 00:07:09 You're not raising the capital. And so I look at the quarterback position and my take is we've got to have fewer whiffs. And it looks like if Drake now, now there are going to be misses, but if you look at recent misses, let's think about him, Zach Wilson. Well, that was a COVID class. He didn't have enough good snaps against good teams. Trey Lance. Miss, well, he didn't have enough good snaps in high school or college against good teams.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Can he pick it? Steelers took the hometown kid. So those were red flags. Those were major red flags. try to avoid those. Pittsburgh got a little desperate. Jets were, after Sam Darnold, a little desperate. Then San Francisco hits on Brock Purdy, so we forget about it. But, I mean, the reality is, if you looked at Drake May last night, my take was, oh, this, God, get him some weapons. Now, he's got stuff to overcome. A defensive rookie head coach. They have a broken offensive
Starting point is 00:08:02 culture. The old lines have eroded for several years. They don't have enough weapons. But you're watching Drake May last night, and my takeaway is, a something. I know it's I know it's Philadelphia, it's preseason but it was something and here's the coach and the kid after.
Starting point is 00:08:20 He had great composure. I thought it was a good drive. I thought he went out there and did a lot of good things. So hopefully he can build on that and we'll see how this week goes. You know, some good things, has some bad plays.
Starting point is 00:08:33 I said drop snaps, you know, inexcusable for me. And or in that, probably just sometimes I'm scrambling when I could probably I'm rested in there and hang on and try to make a throw. So definitely a lot of things to learn from.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Good to get out there. And I say, I guess some tape to learn from. All right. Now I want to talk about something that makes me very happy. I've said before I've never lost more money betting in my life than I have on the Atlanta Falcons. But I think they're going to be a 12 win team this year. But the rest of the media, not us, I've got tape, archives, and articles, not us. The rest of the media made the Falcons a pinata in February for not hiring Belichick
Starting point is 00:09:18 and then in April for drafting Michael Panix. And I kept hearing, what about safety? What about edge rusher? Well, the Atlanta Falcons have signed in the last three days, Matthew, Jude, Don, and Eddrusher and yesterday an excellent young safety of free agent Justin Simmons from Denver. quarterback check, safety check, edge rusher check. And they got Michael Penix. How can you not sign Belichick?
Starting point is 00:09:50 Because Rahim Morris is younger, more offensive friendly, best friends with Sean McVeigh, and collaborative. He'll let the scouting department do the drafting. How can you not hire Belichick? Look at New England's roster. Bill controlled it last seven years. it is anemic. They will pick first or second in next year's draft. That is all on Belichick.
Starting point is 00:10:14 That's why he's broadcasting like us and not coaching. That's why. Well, well, well, but the cousins thing, hmm, interesting. I'm going to give you seven teams last year that literally it was a catastrophe at quarterback. Not one or two. A quarter of the league.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Jets, Raiders, Giants, Vikings, Steelers, Browns, Falcons. Go back one season. We had quarterbacks who I'm not sure were NFL quarterbacks. I mean, oh, by the way, the Jets, Giants, and Raiders, boy, they had good edge rushers. They could have done themselves well drafting another quarterback. So the Atlanta Falcons said, yeah, we watch the Jets and the Raiders in Cleveland and the Steelers and the Vikings and the Falcons. And we don't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:11:16 So what we want to do is draft a young guy after we sign an old guy ensuring that regardless of what happens, we've got the future and we've got the present covered. Yeah, a lot of those bad NFL teams last year that were a circus at quarterback, Cleveland had Miles Garrett. You know, the Jets had Bryce Hoff. The Raiders had Max Crosby. The Giants have Tibido. All had great edge rushers. They were a clown show at quarterback. And the Falcons said, no, we don't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:11:49 And that's a catastrophe? I looked up an article that was printed after I defended Atlanta back during the draft. And I'll just read you basically what I said. Every great asset in America, every one, it could be a yacht, it could be a mansion, has an insurance policy. Having two capable quarterbacks is a disaster. And most insurance policies,
Starting point is 00:12:13 you pay into them for years and you never make any money out of it. You never get anything back. It's a one-way street. Atlanta is going to have an insurance policy, Michael Pennicks, for just one year, and then it's going to pay them like an annuity for the next 15.
Starting point is 00:12:29 That's a disaster. It was all Belichick's allies and old heads. It reminds me of baseball living in their echo chamber complaining about the pitch clock. It works. Next issue. The games are better. Attendance up. Ratings up.
Starting point is 00:12:43 Pitch clock works. Having an extra quarterback does not rise to the level of catastrophe. The Vikings are already out one of their quarterbacks. Matt Stafford's already missing time with a sore hammy. Listen, you can be a linebacker shy, an edge rusher shy. they're always available at the trade deadline. It's not a scarcity issue. It's a cost issue.
Starting point is 00:13:10 You're willing to pay for it. So what do you know? The Atlanta Falcons, who everybody crushed, now they have their future quarterback, their present quarterback, a pro-bow level safety, and a great edge rusher. And they'll be just fine without Belichick. They'll be just fine, I promise you.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I may not bet them every week. I've learned from that. But it's all going to be okay. J. Mack, you know, you love college basketball more than almost anybody I know. And you bet it very well. I've given you credit for years. You bet it very well. I've had some good runs.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I'm probably more well-versed in the NFL than I am college hoops. But everybody should be in our space. You have to be, yes. Okay. But I used to love it. I covered you and LV out of college. And then it became a turnstom. and nobody stays in college
Starting point is 00:14:06 and you watch the draft, it's like what country, what league, what school is that guy from? It feels like you're being constantly introduced to new people. I have no connection with them. So it's too much of a turnstile. I do think it's flipping back with the NIL that more guys will stay in school at Kansas, Carolina, Villanova, Syracuse, top schools.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Very interesting, though, J. Mack, is that the NBA schedule came out and it once again proves the biggest blunder Adam Silver has made. It once again proves and I like Adam Silver. And you and I like the NBA.
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Starting point is 00:19:10 So the NBA released its schedule next year. Do you know who's going to have the most games on? Not the best team. LeBron James, 39. Do you know who's going to be second? Not a top five team. Steph Curry. Now, the Celtics and the Knicks have really good teams, and I'd put them on a lot, too.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Season number 22, LeBron has the most, and season number 16, Steph is lodged at second. All these young NBA stars, most don't move the needle. John Morant, all catch his highlights on Twitter if he's healthy. Zach Levine dunk contest. Okay. LeBron and Steph. It doesn't work that way in the NFL, where even in Tom Brady's last few years in the league, there's more promotions for Josh Allen and Mahomes and Jalen Hertz and the rising stars.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Because the NFL has never marginalized college football. They celebrate it. Watch the draft coverage. They're rooting for them, promoting them, marketing them. They're microwavable stars. Even the guys that are overdrafted like Tim Tebow, are selling jerseys like hotcakes, as they say, day one in the league. Adam Silver's a good commissioner, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:20:43 He just got $7 billion a year in revenue. He has one big hole. He marginalized college basketball, not understanding how valuable it is. The fact that in year 22 and year 16, LeBron and Steph dominate the TV coverage, because we don't know who the hell any of these college guys are. That's if they go to college. college. Maybe they go to the G-League. The greatest example of how effective college basketball is isn't with men. It's with women. Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese came into the WNBA with a
Starting point is 00:21:17 baked-in rivalry. I couldn't wait to watch. Ratings indicate either could you. I only know who these guys are, not because of their Twitter highlights from the Euroleagues or the G-League, because they play at Carolina, Villanova, Kansas, and Duke. But Adam Silver decided very, very early in his stewardship of the NBA, getting that baton from the late and great David Stern, college basketball bad. No, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Bird, you fell in love with him in college, couldn't wait to watch him. I mean, the minute Michael Jordan, Bird, and Magic were in the league,
Starting point is 00:21:57 let's go, build campaigns around him. LeBron and Steff will dominate TV coverage. Isn't that crazy? Like the WNBA, and I'll say this, even before Caitlin and Angel Reese got to the WNBA, the ratings growth among women's basketball was actually admirable. Now, Caitlin Clark is jet fuel,
Starting point is 00:22:23 but it was growing faster than the NBA. Why? Because you knew who the girls were. You watched them at Yukon. Face South Carolina. I'm not a devotee of women's basketball. I wasn't. I'm more of it now.
Starting point is 00:22:35 But I know who the UConn players are. So this goes back to college sports are your ally, not your enemy. Adam Silver had this. Players must be paid at 18 or the sport or the league is radically. Right wing, it's a business. It's like I don't pay interns. There's huge value. and now the players are getting paid.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Like, you know how much money you can make on shoes over G-League contracts five years ago? How much money Zion made in shoes? They didn't make that if he went to the G-League. So this is, you know, the WNBA draft this year, and I'm not the only one. I watched the WNBA draft. I sat there for an hour and a half, and I knew the top six-seven players. I watched the NBA draft, which got terrible. ratings despite the fact the players are better than ever it's the only sport now you
Starting point is 00:23:35 realize it's the only sport ratings aren't going up f1s going up NFL's going up college football WNBA Olympics World Cup Copa NBA NBA NBA NBA down because they're relying on Steph and LeBron still which by the way I love both I love both but the reason the young guys don't move the needle because they go to the G League and then they go to a bad NBA team that doesn't make the playoffs for several years. And it's like, then you want me to fall in love with them overnight? It's not how it works. We're all more distracted than ever.
Starting point is 00:24:08 We're all more distracted. But college football, I mean, I can't wait to watch Caleb Williams. Cannot wait. It wouldn't if he went to a rival league, the G league in football. I'd be like, yeah, his Twitter videos, okay. I've watched Caleb Williams play 20 times. I can't wait to watch Malik neighbors. I can't wait to watch Jaden Daniels.
Starting point is 00:24:30 I have a relationship with them. Caitlin Clark for two years was a rock star in college. She had a rivalry with Angelries. Let's go. Let's bring it to the pros. Immediately you're just like Bird Magic, immediately you're like, oh, they're all-stars. These girls, they come out, they're all-stars. So I'm praying, hoping the NIL will help college basketball and keep some NBA guys around for one more year.
Starting point is 00:24:55 If a kid can make $800,000 at Tom Izzo, Michigan State, why go to the G League? Kick button the Big Ten, get marketed, get a better shoe deal. But it is fascinating. Is it not? That the NBA ratings are going down. NFL college football going up, women's going up, Olympic going up, Copa going up. We need relationships, and we have none with these young NBA players. We would have them if they went to Duke in Kansas.
Starting point is 00:25:23 We'd have it if they went to Carolina. Well, we don't. And so they go to crappy teams, sort of disappear. Maybe we see them in a dunk contest. All the we're doing here, all this stuff I'm doing, all sports is just an emotional tunnel. I'm trying to get you hooked to me. You're trying to get leagues or trying to get you hooked to them. When Brady was older, they weren't promoting Brady and all the commercials.
Starting point is 00:25:47 They were promoting Mahomes and Lamar. And they were kids. They were not kids. Like Caleb Williams is all over. that first weekend, Chicago Bears, there's a reason you're watching it because of USC, not because of the Bears. The Bears have been around forever and you haven't been watching.
Starting point is 00:26:05 You're watching it because of college football and what you watched. J. Mack with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. I mean, it was a good take. But Colin, I just looked this up because it was so dumbfounded by it. So you're not perturbed, but
Starting point is 00:26:24 surprise that Curry and LeBron lead the way in TV games, right? By a lot. By a large margin. Yeah, by a lot. So in 2021, the Olympics happened and the men's basketball team not featuring Curry or LeBron, led by like Kevin Duran, a bunch of guys. 9.3 million viewers for their gold medal win. Fast forward to this summer featuring LeBron and Curry 19.5 million viewers for the U.S. men's team.
Starting point is 00:26:51 I would say it's largely driven by Curry and LeBron. Would you agree? Well, we have such connections to them. You love or hate LeBron. You mostly love Curry. We have relationships with them. All I'm saying is we could expedite the relationships with the younger players if they'd been at Duke for a couple of years. And the NBA would, instead of marginalizing them, would promote the fact they've been at Duke.
Starting point is 00:27:15 I bet you could ask some hardcore NBA fans. Hey, where did Anthony Edwards go to college? They wouldn't know. People would not. Now, I know because I'm a nerd. Yeah, Georgia. But most people wouldn't know. Most people would not know because they don't have a relationship with him.
Starting point is 00:27:26 And he was like good, but they didn't even make the NCAA tournament. Like, they weren't good. And I don't know. I mean, I get the LeBron Curry push, but some of these young guys, they're just not like, are people tuning in on a Tuesday in November to watch Anthony Edwards at like 730? I don't think so. Are they tuning in for Curry? And I think the answer is yes.
Starting point is 00:27:45 LeBron, you'll give a look see, right? You'll at least check it out. Yeah, and this goes to my basic theory is the NBA does a poor job of connecting with college elevating March badness. It is all about get the guys paid. Let's get them to a G League. And it's like they're going to get enormous deal. I mean, the highest paid athletes in America are NBA players.
Starting point is 00:28:04 If you're good enough, you're going to be rich. By the time you're 24 years old, you're going to have more money than you'll ever spend. I would say keep an eye on Cooper Flagg this year. There's going to be a big push for Cooper. Duke. Going to Duke, you and I will watch him play 20 times. So by the time he comes out, I'm like, I can't wait to watch Cooper Flag. That's not because of Cooper Flag.
Starting point is 00:28:24 It's because of Duke plus Cooper Flag, plus the network that airs him. And that, by the way, when you stay in college, you not only get the love from Duke, but all these major schools have relationships with Nike or whoever. And then you also get networks promoting you. Fox and ESPN and NBC, CBS are promoting you. There is so much free, every company in America that starts, including the volume when I started it. The first thing you're looking for is marketing. College basketball and football give pro leagues free marketing.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Hundreds of millions, the NFL embraces it. NBA doesn't. They're not. They're not there. And that's why we don't know they're young stars. All right, let's start with CD Lam's holdout. Looking for a contract extension. I mean, Kyle, we could be doing this for another two weeks.
Starting point is 00:29:13 So the rivals of the Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles, their quarterback, Darius Slay has chimed in on his big play Slay podcast about CDLLLLLLan. and he took a shot at Jerry Jones in the process. Because I'm all for it for my man get paid, because he's one of the best receivers at the league. And for Jerry to sit here and say he's not in a rush to get him situated. It's kind of praised me. One of your best players on your team and you're not in a rush to get him, you know, his worth. I ain't going to lie to you.
Starting point is 00:29:46 It'd be hard for me to play for an organization like that. As a guy that's just not willing to take care of his guys. Well, I will say when you draft somebody in the first round and they hit and you mess around with it, it sends a message to your other employees. I mean, Micah Parsons, first round, hit. CD Lamb, first round hit. If you don't, what's the point of drafting guy? What's the point of the draft if you're not going to reward? Now, again, it's one, you don't have to reward everybody.
Starting point is 00:30:17 Some guys don't, but CD Lamb is better than I thought he would be in college. At Oklahoma, I was like, I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of skinny. I don't know. He is over-delivered on his contract. Over-delivered. So it's like, you've got to be careful.
Starting point is 00:30:34 You're sending messages to players when you don't take care. Not only is C.D. Lamb great and his outperformers contract, but he plays a crucial position. Again, if he was a safety, I totally get saying, we're just not going to pay a safety top of market. But edge rusher quarterback, perimeter weapon, left tackle, and you draft him and they hit, you pay Miles Garrett as long as he can walk if you're the Browns. I theorize this on my podcast this week. Do you believe that Jerry is going to get all the deals done with his guys? He's just doing this to keep the Dallas name out there in the ether.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Talk about us on the herd. The Dallas Cowboys are being talked about every day because of players who are not signed every single day. And then you know Jerry at the last minute. it's going to come in. C.D. Lamb, highest paid receiver in the league. I love my guys. I treat him great. And he got all this juice of us talking about Dallas.
Starting point is 00:31:27 What do you think of that theory? I would worry less about getting juice and more about getting my best players in a timing position with a quarterback in camp. I just think that timing. I think companies send messages all the time. And I think you have to be careful about it. The whole draft is trying to find stars.
Starting point is 00:31:47 Mika and CD are stars and valuable. They both outperform their draft space. I think, I mean, did anybody think Micah was going to be? I thought Michael was really good out of Penn State. Remember he took the final year? It was like a COVID year and he just sat out and people were like, ooh, I don't know. No, I remember. We were like, it should be good.
Starting point is 00:32:03 He was dominant his second week in the league. So it's when you do that, like C.D. I'm serious on this. With C.J. Stroud, he's in year two. By the end of next year, you still have two years. don't have to pay him, I would sign him. I would send the message. You deliver, and people say that's crazy, but you're going to save money in the long term. You always want to pay early. Pay early. But Jerry, a topic we talked about this week, the Cowboys now have the highest
Starting point is 00:32:31 valuation of any franchise in American sports, right? Ten billion dollars? Yeah. Part of that is people talking about the Cowboys all the time. I think my guess is this is a master stroke by Jerry. He's just, let's let this string out and then give CD Lamb all the money, which probably is not a great deal. He's getting the juice out of this. You know, you don't kind of buy him in it. That would not be how I would run an NFL franchise. I agree. He's also.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Not into juice. I'm into rewarding my best employees and getting him into camp. I'm with you. Next up, Russell Wilson is set to start in his Steelers debut tomorrow. I'll be watching, baby. Against the reeling Buffalo Bills. Mike Tomlin said that the first team units are scheduled to play roughly four series in the contest. Justin Fields certainly didn't do anything to challenge.
Starting point is 00:33:17 challenge that with a couple of picks last week, took a couple of bad sacks. But he'll also get a crack tomorrow. What are your thoughts? Russell Wilson, does he have something to prove against the bills? Oh, I don't know. I just want to watch it. I think his journey is weird. It's gotten weird.
Starting point is 00:33:34 It's gotten weird. It's so, it's just crazy. He's gone, he went from good enough to get people drafted. I mean, he got Baker and the Johnny Mansells. He got him drafted. Kyler Murray. Like, Kyler Murray was like a more athletic version. to Russell Wilson. He literally got guys drafted. Like, Steph Curry's gotten guys drafted, like just shooters. And then all of a sudden from that to Pete's like, I'm out,
Starting point is 00:33:55 to a catastrophe in Denver, Sean Payton's like, I'm not interested. And then Pittsburgh gets him for free, and you're like, is, is this the end? It is. Now, it does look like it's been established after Justin Herb, uh, uh, uh, Justin Fields, first performance, that Russell has established a pecking order, which is, Russ won fields work in progress. So I think that's good. But I'm really interested to see how this works. People forget the Russell Wilson narrative.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Remember, he was drafted, I believe, third round out of Wisconsin. So it started at NC State was awesome. And then the coach was like, yeah, we're moving on, goes to Wisconsin. I think they went to a Rose Bowl. But the Seahawks, the year they drafted him, they had just signed Matt Flynn. You remember that guy? I remember it well. They signed him to a huge contract.
Starting point is 00:34:45 So Russ has had like an uphill climb His entire time in Seattle Oh, it's the Legion of Boom, it's not Russ And then he had the issues in Denver And now, like he has had a weird, strange journey I'm rooting for him I just don't think it's gonna go great In Pittsburgh Khan
Starting point is 00:35:01 It doesn't look like they're getting Ayuk now, right? So it's just gonna be Pickens They got a nice tight end, a couple good running backs And an offensive line that's been In flux for seven years Yeah, conservative Dioch. defensive-minded coach. I don't love it. Final story now that this is spicy. I don't think any
Starting point is 00:35:19 other shows are talking about this comment. So Anthony Slater of the Athletic dropped an interesting NBA piece on Steph Curry. It comes out right after the Olympics. Warriors have great beat guys. Marcus Thompson and Slater are great. He speculated Golden State's
Starting point is 00:35:35 declining roster might be wearing on Steph Curry. They struck out on Paul George. They struck out on Lari Markinen and they lost Clay Thompson. And they also went after LeBron, remember last year. Steph has two years left on his deal and has until October 21st of this year to decide whether or not he would like to extend an additional year.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Curry will reportedly take his time in making that decision. Well, they're not a championship club. Hell, no. Not even close. And I mean, OKC between the picks. They might be a play-in team. Might. I think they are a playing team.
Starting point is 00:36:10 Okay. The West is stacked. No, I think Golden State. Nobody roots for Golden State more than me. We both love Curry, Kerm, Dremon. I think Pod's a good player. Kaminga's just talented,
Starting point is 00:36:22 but he's not moving the needle in the playoffs. It's Steph, it's Draymond, and guys. And that's in the West, that is not a top three-four seed. I'll continue to ask this question. Is Steph Curry suiting up for the Warriors on game one in the fall of 2025? So after this season,
Starting point is 00:36:42 is he suiting up night one for the Golden State? Warriors are. I think he'll just resign. I think he'll trust Kerr and Donleavy and I think Joe Lacham. I think I think he's like it's like Jeter. He doesn't have a lot of years left and I think he is so embedded in that franchise. We don't even know the relationship Joe Lacob and Steph. How many how many tech companies do you think Curry's invested in that Joe Lacob has made him probably $300 million in tech companies that we don't know about me lately? Yeah, I don't think so. Where did Michael Jordan end his career? I forgot.
Starting point is 00:37:17 Michael Jordan was bitter and didn't like Reinsdorf or Jerry Krauss. Steph could be getting there if they don't improve the roster. I don't think people understand the relationship. What? The ownership, the affection, Kerr and Curry have for each other, the respect. That stuff can evaporate quickly. What are Peyton Manning? I just heard.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Maybe in your prime, but I don't think so. Remember, Jordan always felt he was being screwed over in Chicago. Patrick Ewing, I can name a two dozen athletes who were absolute superstars. Yeah, but Patrick Ewing didn't win squat. Curry's got a trophy room. Akeem Elijah won, two titles, ended up in Toronto. Brett Farr, Aaron Rogers, like so many guys. I'm just so many super.
Starting point is 00:37:59 Joe Montana, Kansas City Chiefs. But again, there was some acrimony with Walsh, Montana. Well, they had Steve Young waiting in the wings. I get that. There's circumstances everywhere. But there are, and I'm not one of these romanticized the past guys, but there are occasional athletes like Jeter
Starting point is 00:38:17 would have looked ridiculous even in a Braves jersey it's just it's a Chipper Jones was a little bit like that like he's a southerner it's the Braves I just Oh wait a bit Wade Boggs
Starting point is 00:38:30 legendary Boston Red Sox guy I know more about his chicken diet than I do about I didn't I don't play for the Yankees Come on like I just They're very few But there's there are people Like when Brady left, I was like, well, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Oh, Tom Brady! Yeah, but yeah. He didn't have dinner in 22 years with Belichick. He was subversive or subservient to him. He literally had to take pay cuts. I got Brady leaving. They couldn't draft receivers. I totally got Brady leaving.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Cheaters like, we have a huge payroll. We usually have guys that hit behind me are good. Why leave for one great year with blank? I don't get, like I get why Griffey left. go back to his hometown Seattle to Cincinnati. Most of these guys, even if they're old, I get it. Gretzky left Canada. He wanted to make money.
Starting point is 00:39:18 He was winning in Edmonton. He wanted to get, you know, I got it. Steph's going to do what? Where's he going to go? I mean, he's going to have options. Given what we just saw in the Olympics, I wonder if there's something that went down in Paris with Curry and, I don't know, LeBron James, who looked super duper chubby.
Starting point is 00:39:35 What could the Lakers give the Warriors? Literally. Talk to me in a year. I don't know. Here's Austin Reeves in a second rounder. Stop. Let's not go overboard, but... Brani?
Starting point is 00:39:48 Put Brody at a pass? I'm just kidding. I don't have anything to get. I do think this is an awesome topic. Steph Curry leaving the Warriors because they screwed it up at the end? Nah, I just don't want to see it. Listen, just...
Starting point is 00:39:59 You don't want to see... I mean... And I'm not a sportsman. I'm a curry above the Warriors. Like, I put Curry here and the Warriors... Well, you're a young fan. That young fans, that's how, what the research says, young fans like player over team.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I'm a little. more old school, I kind of root team over player, although in some instances, like, I like watching Curry more than the Warriors. Yeah. I like the Curry, Dramon, Dynamic, and Curr's special. I don't know, that's a weird one. That's Jeter leaving the Yanks to me.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Too much success to leave. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. You ever wanted to go to a party and meet like Usher? I mean, you're at the same party, but there's a certain rope you can't get past.
Starting point is 00:40:47 But you can tell your friends a month later, hey, I partied with Usher. That's a little bit what is happening in college football. And we'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, what's up, everybody? It's me, three-time Pro Bowl of LaVar Arrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called Up on game. What is up on game, you ask? Along with my fellow pro bowler, T.J. Hushmanzada and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right. Plexico Burris. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on game.
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Starting point is 00:42:17 Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show.
Starting point is 00:42:35 This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clivert Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream,
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Starting point is 00:43:39 with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes.
Starting point is 00:44:02 I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking.
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Starting point is 00:45:32 the biology of Tontons and Wampas on the Ice Planet Hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I reported this earlier in the week. Actually, I got it from Christy Dash sports business. The college football season preview at Stubhub shows 42% growth in ticket sales, and they have a specific reason why it's fueled by the new matchups in conference realignment.
Starting point is 00:46:05 That's what's fueling it. All the new stuff everybody was fearful of. Texas, Oklahoma, playing SEC teams, Oregon, Washington, and SCUCL playing Big Ten teams. That's what's fueling it, the stuff everybody was terrified of. I do think it's interesting. There's a lot of reasons this is going to be the biggest college football season ever. I'm for including as many people as you can at a party. Like, college football should not be a country club.
Starting point is 00:46:35 It should be more like a neighborhood party where every, everybody at least gets an invitation. Maybe you don't stay around to the end and have fun when they open up that 13th bottle of wine, but you get invited, right? And the 12-team college football playoff, it's not going to change outcomes. Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Big Dog's still going to win, Alabama. But it's going to appear that it's more fair, and that's a big deal. Utah and Liberty are not winning this thing.
Starting point is 00:47:08 or Boise State, but now they get invited to the party. I mean, I invest in the stock market. I've got a 401k. 61% of America is in the stock market. We all know it's still run by six or seven big firms and banks, but we're allowed to play two. 61% of us get a play along. And maybe it elevates our retirement a little. I mean, the college basketball playoff has 68 teams.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Here's the last 10 to 12 winners. Yukon, Yukon, Kansas, Nova, Nova, Nova, Carolina, Yukon, Duke. Oh, Baylor snuck in. Well, Baylor's now a top 10, 12 program. So, but it's important that St. Peter's or Loyola of Chicago or a VCU, they need to be part of the story, too. So, you know, it's, again, all these college programs, they just felt like it was a country club they couldn't get in. And maybe like a country club, it'll be more like a social membership to Liberty, Boise State. It'll be a social membership.
Starting point is 00:48:16 You can play like once a month, but you can use the pool, right? And you're not going to be a full-fledged member. That's going to be Georgia and Texas. But that's okay. That's okay. It opens things up. It feels more fair. It doesn't necessarily change the outcome.
Starting point is 00:48:33 You and I will never have any pull on Wall Street. That's nice to play along, right? puts everybody in a little better mood, you're part of the party. So Urban Meyer was on yesterday, and he's coached in the Big Ten that he dominated, and while he was in his prime down there, he dominated the SEC. So that's rare territory. And I asked him, I said, I think the Pack 12 schools, I think they're going to do fine in the Big Ten. But Texas, Oklahoma, from the pillow fight of the Big 12 to the brawl of the SEC,
Starting point is 00:49:07 I think it's going to be a shock to the system, and here's Urban on that. The difference, Colin, is that damn defense align and linebackers, the way they run in the south and the SEC, and the way they take their football. So I count eight, now you're out of Texas and Oklahoma. I count 10 teams that really, they're alumni, they're budgeted, and their fans expect them to compete for a national title. In the Big Ten, you know, you've got Ohio State and Wolverines, you got Penn State, and now I put USC in that category. Oregon is getting close.
Starting point is 00:49:39 They played in a couple national championship games, so they're very, very close. Washington played in a championship game. They're very close. But until you win that darn thing, I don't know if you can put them up there. So I think the SEC is a whole different level as far as top to bottom.
Starting point is 00:49:56 I think there's also this misconception that these West Coast teams will not be able to handle the frigid weather of like Chicago. Folks, USC's toughest road game is November 2nd in Seattle. You do get it rains, it's windy,
Starting point is 00:50:14 it snows, it's cold in the Pacific Northwest. It'll be just fine. And also college football, the Big Ten schedule, you know, it's not playing into January. So I think that's overstated. I think the PAC 12 teams will do just fine. I don't think,
Starting point is 00:50:28 I think Oregon is as good as Ohio State this year. In fact, I think Oregon will beat them in Eugene, but I think Ohio State has a chance to win the national championship. I like them over the course of time, more and more players. But the Texas, Oklahoma to the SEC, that's a whole different ball game. The body size, the bodies are different, the intensity. Also, you have these massive, even like the basketball school, Kentucky. They got 70,000 people at their stadium.
Starting point is 00:50:59 So I think we all think a lot of this narrative is, Texas, Oklahoma, it's just a little easy, Pivot. No, I don't think so. I think it's an easier pivot for Oregon to go to the, the only school right now in the Big Ten that has Oregon athletes, there's one. Ohio State, and they get a host them. I mean, USC doesn't even have to play Ohio State this year. And they get Michigan with an unproven coach rebuilding the whole program. They're going to be fine. Jimmy Johnson, on a Friday, hour two, the Hall of Fame coach next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel
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Starting point is 00:53:20 such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or where, wherever you get your podcasts. On The Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me.
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