The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 – The Bears Fire Matt Eberflus

Episode Date: November 29, 2024

Today on The Herd, Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington fill-in and react to the Bears disastrous clock management vs the Lions on Thanksgiving. Senior NFL Reporter for TheMMQB, Albert Breer jumps on to break the news that the Bears decide to fire head coach Matt Eberflus. Plus, a rant about “Happy Thanksgiving!” #2ProsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Just take solace in the fact. You're not a beers fan. That is correct. Which is funny because only up until recently you would have said that about both these teams. It's just. Now all of a sudden it's cool to be a Lions fan. I mean, Detroit Lions are staring. an eighth loss in a row on Thanksgiving,

even in the midst of being the best team in football potentially. They still wanted to lose it. Oh, my God. They were trying. I mean, you got to halftime, and the Bears had, I think, one or two first downs that they picked up on the final drive before half. Other than that, the Lions were dominating,

and it was only a two-score game, and it's 16-0, and you're thinking, well, this is a little bit close. And then as this happens... Then it gets real close. Like, wait, wait, hold on a second. Like, it feels like a blowout, but it's not a blowout

because this is the same thing that has gone on for this team and we've talked about it on our show at nauseam like hey there's a theme here Caleb Williams figures things out late games Caleb Williams is good man

and kind of sucks that he's in the situation and he was rolling and then somehow some way they figure out a way to crap it away and blow the game and cost themselves an opportunity to win All right, let me ask you this. Before we go any further.

Yeah. Because we've had multiple conversations about Caleb Williams. And had he gone to a better organization, Caleb Williams is probably talked about much differently than how he is right now. He was under duress, like, all game. Like Zadarius, all those guys. Like, I didn't realize he's the most hit quarterback in the league. But he was picking himself up the entire.

entire game. That is a real thing. You can get hit so much as a quarterback that at some point you're ruined. Who was that car? The first car. Not the David Carr. David Carr was ruined by just getting they hit him too much. Well, you got to ask

Eiff from Salam, his thoughts on that because Eiffram Salam, you know, he doesn't agree with that? Well, he just thinks, say, listen man, man, you know, when a guy is scrambling and he runs out of bounds, four yards behind the line of scrimmage, that counts as a sack giving up on the offensive line. line. He's all throw the ball away

so that doesn't, you know. Yeah, but they let that man get hit way too much. Yeah, he did. Shots out in all respect to my homie, E from, he's a good dude. That's my guy. What up, E? But let me tell you something. Y'all was letting that man get hit too much. And he got shell-shocked, bro. And I think that

Caleb is not going, I just don't think he has the mental makeup to become a shell-shocked type of guy or finds himself with the yips because of everything that took place. But what I will say is he continues to compete and he continues to try to find a way yet and still. And I think that's always going to be the conversation about someone who could possibly be a franchise guy, bona fide

at the league level is they do it in spite of. This Bears team is not a good team. They have some pieces on both sides of the ball, but for some strange reason, they have not found a way to be a better team than what they have been. Yet, I look at this and I say you got a doomsay. You got Keenan Island who finally, I mean. Heen and Allen, that route on the second touchdown.

Just beautiful, right? Jesus. I would say you do have the makings of saying, okay, build out, build out, build out, develop this year, figure out what you need to do to put in

place for for Caleb. Like, you got to run back. Like if you keep Swift and Swift stays healthy, you've got a running back. You've got receivers. You've got a few offensive linemen. You need more. You have linebackers. You have

a secondary, but you need more. If they can figure out how to build a formidable group of personnel around Caleb Williams, next year could be serious. Because this is a competitive team that can't

win right now. They're not a a non-competitive team. This is not a team that you're looking at, and it's like the game we'll talk about after this one. It's not like you're looking at a New York Giants team that you really have nothing to stand on at all. This is a team where you could say, I feel really good about Caleb Williams. Just don't ruin it. Don't ruin it for the city. Don't ruin it for this player that is such a young, bright star.

Don't ruin it. Do what you need to do. care if it's a coaching change, bringing somebody that he can relate to or that understands what's going on. Like, they're out there. I mean, we'll talk about the Green Bay game. I have more and more of a respect for Matt LaFleure every single day, bro. Every single day, my buildup and growth of respect for what he does as a coach gets higher. Bring in a guy.

If this guy currently is not the guy to do. do it. Cut the court now. Bring in a guy that can get the most, like a Dan Campbell, that can get the most out of this team so that you can get the most out of Caleb Williams. It would be one of the biggest waste if Caleb Williams doesn't turn out to be one of the top quarterbacks in this league. Well, the guy that you're referring to is Matt Leberfrews. I almost said LaFleur. Yeah, because you wanted it to be LaFleu. Well, I did because they'd be nine and three. Instead, they're four and eight and they're looking at another top 10 draft pick based on how the season is gone.

But Matt Iberfluse spoke today with the media in Chicago and tried to explain away what the hell was going on the final 30 seconds of that game with a timeout remaining. What are you doing? Just call time out. It just... What are you doing? And Ford of record, Jonas, Ford.

For the record, you got to think about this. If the receiver keeps running, that's six points. If you watch the play again, the receiver turns around, slows down. If the receiver keeps running, that's six points. That's six points. It's the whole operation. So the ball was where it needed to be, but I will say this. They should have called time out.

Yeah. And so Matt Eber. And they should have been moving quickly. quicker than what they were on to play before, but go it. So Matt Iberfluse spoke earlier about his decision to knock all the timeout there. We got sacked and it was, you know, third in 26, you know, with the 36 seconds there, got sacked there at 32. And then our decision at that point was to be on the ball, hold our timeout and get the

play off at 15 to 10 seconds in that range, throw it into the field goal range there, and then call timeout and then kicked the game winner on a fourth down. The operation wasn't fast enough, and we didn't do a good job of executing there in that moment, and that was the decision that we made and went with during that time. And also know that the other option that you could have had was at, you know, 30 to 28 seconds. You call a timeout there, and then you have no timeouts. You throw the ball, the same type of play, throw it in there, and then you do your fast field goal. into the game there and then kick the game or the game tire there to force it to overtime.

So those are the two options that we had. We want the first option. Yeah, it wasn't close. Yeah, those were the two options. Did you know that at the time? Because I don't know that anybody do that at the time. They were moving so slow for one. For two, like, this is the last play of the game.

Like, you knew that when they were snapping, in the ball. It was like three seconds left, right? Something like that. Six seconds. Six seconds. Call time out. You know it's the last play of the game. When he gets sacked, call time out. Call time out. It's third down. You can run a quick play, get down, and spike it. Just like you did the previous week when you set up for the tying field goal against Minnesota.

Or run a play out of bounds. You just need a field goal to tie. You saw proper clock manage it. the Ws. Look, I'm telling you right now, I wonder if they're so scared of attempting a field goal based on what's happened the past couple of weeks and they're like, yeah, we know three ties in, but we're going to go

for the win here. I cannot explain. They definitely for the win. What that was. And look, Caleb Williams had a, he should have called time out of time. He's culpable in this as well too. But the coach is supposed to be the fail safe for a rookie

quarterback or any quarterback for that matter. He's the guy running the team. He's standing there looking around and even Tony Romo who hasn't prepped for a game in 30 years is saying whoa what are you doing? Call time out.

Jim, everybody's saying, watch it. Like I'm watching in shock. My son is rifling down a cinnamon roll faster than anything I've ever seen in my life. He looks like the fat guy off stand by me in the pie eating contest. And I'm, I've got to make sure he's not choking, but I'm looking at the Bears game going, what is happening here?

I can't, I don't get it. None of it makes any sense. That's what makes it makes sense, is the lack of sense. Is it worse than the Hail Mary loss? Because I think it was. That's what I'm saying. Commanders showed you how to do it. Why didn't you do it the way they did it?

I swear to God. It gets worse than the commanders lost. They were close. They were close. They were close. And like you said, it wasn't a lot of time. but they only needed three points. They only needed three points.

So I'm going to take my chances with trying to get the ball out of bounds, keep the ball going out of bounds for the couple plays that you have. Maybe you do a deep ball, maybe you do it deep ball to get into what would be perceived as field goal range, and you take a try at it and see if you could get it into overtime. I mean, no one was expecting this team to be that close to Detroit. And for what it's worth, it didn't feel like a game that was close.

It just felt like they were getting dominated. They were getting handled up front. The running game was working. They talked about Sonic and Knuckles, you know, the backfill being as impressive as it is for. But it's so cheesy. Jesus. Their shoes were kind of tight, though. Like the Sonic, the Hedgehog and the knuckle shoes, they were kind of tight.

Let's be cartoon characters. Well, they're shoes. Okay. They're shoes. in their nicknames. I mean, you had Earthwind and Fire for the Giants with Bradshaw and Jacobs. And who was the third one on that? Bradshaw, Jacobs.

Who was the third one? There was another one. I'm forgetting this. Oh, man, what's his name? I play with him. The other running back? Yeah. I played with him.

I can't remember it off the top of my head. But they were Earth Wind and Fire, like the singing group. Derek, Derek, Derek, Derek. Derek, Derek, what's his last name? Come on, man. Come on, come on, Lee. Derek White? No.

No. No. Anyway, I'm just saying. Derek Ward. Shots out. I'm sorry, Derek. Good up, Dee Ward. D Ward. Listen, that's a good backfield, and that's a really good team. And they are as good as advertised.

I just felt as though that was interesting because the Bears had a strong opportunity, to take advantage of a divisional opponent that is the top in the NFC and possibly get it to overtime or possibly even maybe after getting dominated the way that they did actually have a chance to win the game and they blew the opportunity. You know, made a great point that,

so Olin Croutts, a guy you played against, Chicago Bear Legend. So he was doing a post-game show on the score in Chicago, and he made a great point where he said, I was watching the game, and for the first time, I realized, oh, the bears have the playmaker at quarterback. Like, if somebody's going to win, like, if one of the quarterbacks was going to win that game for their team, it was going to be Caleb Williams yesterday. Derek Gough is having a year, dog. I ain't going to go out. No, no, I'm not saying, I'm not far down that room.

I'm not saying on the year, in that game yesterday, Caleb Williams was one making the throws and the plays. making throws, making runs. And then it just comes. He was getting laced up, though, bro. Laced up. And then he took that hit to the hip or whatever it was. And then threw a touchdown pass right afterwards. He threw the dime to DJ Moore on the sideline into the end zone.

Bro, the last play was a dime for a touchdown. Everybody out there, listen, you get an opportunity. Look at the last play of the Bears Detroit line game. it was in position to be a touchdown catch if that receiver runs to the point of where the ball is supposed to where the ball was. If he's running instead of turned around, look and turn around, go, like get the ball. If he does that, that's six points. That's six points. So I'm with you there and I'm going on that.

But I'm not going to undersell what Jared was bringing to the table. Jared was bringing it to the table yesterday too. There's no underselling, but Detroit was rattled down the stretch. They weren't. I don't think they could understand why the game was as close as it was the way they were playing. And the bears bailed them out with another disaster when it comes to situational football, which situational football is that or is that not on the coach? I mean, the situational football is on the coach. Just ridiculous.

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Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL Reporter, Lead Content Strategist at the MMQB at Albert Breer on X. A, B, we know it's the game this weekend, but we do have some breaking news that I think you just tweeted out, according to sources, in Chicago. Yeah, so the Bears are firing that.

He just lose Thomas Brown. It's going to be the interim coach. We're still getting this as we go along here. But, yeah, I mean, I guess not a real shocker. It's actually interesting because the Bears' coaches were set to, you know, go through their meetings and everything else and be off at noon and sexual today. So now it's done. and Thomas Brown takes over for the time being,

and you're obviously a lot to come. We just talked about this in the first segment. I mean, if you're going to cut the court, cut the court, because you don't want to risk the actual deal of being one of the teams or a team that falls on the list of biggest waste of a player and of a draft pick in the history of the game. And I think we all see the potential in Caleb Williams. AB, I'm curious

how much of this game had to do with him losing his job. Do you feel like this was something in the making or was this purely based upon the bad clock

management at the end of the game and the fact that they could have possibly won against the top team in their division and in the conference on Thanksgiving? Yeah, I'd say this is maybe like the final draw. You know, and I think LeVar, as you know, like these things a lot of times can come down to

where the locker room is on the coach, right? And, you know, as things get, as the heat turns up, sometimes there's finger pointing and everything else. And, you know, I don't think any team, you know, even if things go really bad, wants to go through this sort of upheaval in the season where they fire an offensive coordinator, firing a head coach a couple weeks later. However, I do think some of the things that happened at the end of the game last year, yesterday playing into this.

And maybe the biggest thing, to me at least, is where, you know, you have a situation where clearly, you know, rookie quarterback was sort of struggling with what to do in the final minute. And, you know, you watch Caleb, you can see the wheels turning in his head. And I don't think that in exact. is the end of the world. What I do think is a problem is when Matt Iber Fluse stepped to the podium afterwards and basically more or less absolved himself and his staff of blame. You know, I just think that's one of those situations where, you know, even if it was on Caleb,

as a rookie quarterback out there, it's on you for not managing that situation accordingly, you know. And so whether it's having the guy, you're having the guy more ready for the situation or knowing that he's going to struggle on that situation, so you call the timeout quicker, regardless of what it is, like you can't point the finger at the player, you know? And I think that that's how you lose the team. And I'm not saying that Iber Flutes lost the team completely. They obviously played hard yesterday and they have played hard this year in general.

you know but I think in a situation like that that's where you start to look at it and say okay that's a mismanaged situation again it's not the fact that's happening we already pulled the trigger on on changing offensive coordinators and you know and now here we go like you know how is the coach going to react to it in the aftermath and the aftermath it was you know I think Pluice was trying to be honest you know I don't think he was I don't think there was ill intent but I think that if you're a player in that locker, if you look at it, you say, well, you're blaming a rookie, you know, it's not really the right thing to do in that situation.

Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist at the MMQB with the breaking news that the Chicago Bears have just fired Matt Eberflus as head coach following yesterday's disastrous ending. And they've never done this in the history of the organization. They've been around over a century and they've never fired a coach in season. And one of the conversations that was being had before the game was, well, if they get blown out and it looks really ugly,

could there be a coaching change on Friday? I almost think, look, if they would have lost that game by, you know, 16, 17 points, whatever it was, Matt Eberfluse is still the coach. Just the optics of how that all played out, just not great. and when you consider end-of-game situations like Washington, you know, the Packers, and then the next week they get a field goal blocked again from the same exact spot. It just felt like it was heading in this direction. My question to you, AB, would be what normally it feels like this is where they would go in the direction

of an offensive-minded coach for the permanent job. And, you know, Ben Johnson's name's been out there. So there's some good candidates, though. I agree with you. here's where I would, here's, you know, where my, my warning about that sort of idea comes in. I just feel like sometimes that's what bad ties to. And I hate to put it that way, but it's like, I think sometimes the temptation is when you go one way and it doesn't work to correct by going the other direction altogether. You know what I mean?

Like, so we didn't like the defensive coach or we're going to go with the offensive coach. We didn't like the first coach, so we're going to go with the experience coach. We didn't like the players coach, so we're going to go with the hard ass. You know what I mean? And I feel like teams do that enough times, and you start to lose any sort of identity that the franchise might have or have an opportunity to build. You know, so I just, you know, and again, like, you know, I think you can see that in the Bears, right? So the Bears went from, you know, the offensive guru in Mark Tressman to then go on with the experienced, you know, Super Bowl coach and John Fox.

Then back to the young offensive guru and Matt Nagy, then to the rising experienced defensive coach and Iber Flues, and then they swing right back. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think sometimes you do that enough times and it's like, well, you're not really doing. doing anything. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I agree with you that they need people around Caleb Williams to nurture him and bring him along. I also think you can kind of cut off your knees despite your face sometimes if you're just looking in one bucket. Like I think the fares owe it to themselves here to not like limit themselves that way. And maybe you wind up on the offensive coach anyway. But last time I checked, like Tom Brady had a pretty good career

playing for Bill Belichick. Russell Wilson had a great decade playing for people. Carol, Lamar Jackson's had a great career to this point playing for John Harbaugh. You know what I mean? So, I mean, you show me the evidence. I mean, yeah, you have Andy Reed and Patrick Holmes. So it's happened, you know, for sure. But I don't think there's overwhelming evidence that you have to do it that way to get it right with the quarterback. A.B., you mentioned a lot of coaches there that have had success with their quarterbacks.

Another team, another two teams that were playing. I'll give you one more. I'll give you one more, LeVar. Give us one more. I forgot because I don't want to be, I don't want to be disrespectful here, but another obvious one is Jim Mora and Tony Donji and Peyton Manning, right? Yeah, okay. That's a good one.

There you go. Anyway, go ahead. Well, I was going to ask, when you look at what took place with the Cowboys and the Giants yesterday, obviously, in a way, a feel-good story for the Cowboys to be able to, find their way to a two-game winning streak after losing their franchise quarterback to injury. But then you look at the other side of it, and it's like, wow, what a really, really bad team in the New York Giants.

And looking at it, not many people would say Dayball is a bad coach. In fact, many people lied the type of coach that Dayball is. but has it come to a point of where maybe, you know, looking at it from what their record is, a two-win record and they just lose again on Thanksgiving that his time is more so than now with, you know, McCarthy. Out of those two teams in the NFC East, if you would have said to me, which team is going to go for a new head coach come the offseason, I would have said 100% it would be the Cowboys while now it looks like it's going to be the New York Giants. Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot there, LeVar. Like I would say, like, it's uglier right now in New York. I mean, I think here's the one. I mean, I think you have to give McCarthy some credit for them fighting the last couple of weeks the way they have, right? Like, they've looked dead at points. I mean, so to draw that sort of performance, you know, coming out of a really ugly loss on Monday night.

to Houston. What was that now? 10 days ago, 11 days ago. I mean, I think, like, I think, like, just getting the effort they've gotten, you know, in Washington against a good commander's team, and then, you know, on Thanksgiving and winning going away against the Giants. Like, I, as without Deck Prescott, that's what C.D. Lamb beat up. So, Mikea Parson's probably still not at 100%, right? Like, so I think you got to give Mike McCarthy some credit. Like, it might not save his job because his contracts up and everything else. But, you know, certainly I think he deserves, I think, certainly I think you, you know, you look at him and, you know, he deserves some credit for that.

You know, like I think the Giants right now, I think the intention is to keep Brian Dayball and Joe Shane in charge. And I think it's partly an acknowledgement that after that first year, they still had a long way to go and the roster still need to be rebuilt in a very serious way. Now, you know, I think you look at like the foundation there. and there is a foundation in place with the left tackle, Andrew Thomas, receiver, Malik neighbors, the guys in the defensive front. Dexter Lawrence might be the defensive player of the year, Brian Burns.

So there's a foundation in place. I think the problem is you can counteract that with two things now, right? Number one, it's Daniel Jones and Saquan Barkley and the decisions they made on those contracts and what those look like two years out, right? and then where the team is headed in the trajectory, right? So, you know, the Marr's plan to be patient and take their time and, you know, give Joe Judge another year and 21. And then that press conference happened at the end and everything came unraveled.

And so, like, I think that the Marrers want to keep Dayball and Shane, but could it, like, really unravel and go the way that things went with Judge two or three years ago? I think that certainly could be the case. So, you know, again, like if they can look competent and put an effort and win a couple of games down the stretch, I think they'll be okay. If things unravel, you know, we could be talking about something else. Albert Breer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, Labar Erington, Jonas Knox, in for Colin Coward here on the herd. So obviously, you know, the news of Matt Eber Fluse being fired a short time ago and the conversation about, you know, other coaches that could be out after this season, or possibly in season.

If you were just to bet right now, like if you got feeling, obviously the big names that are out there, Mike Vrable, Bill Belichick, you know, Ben Johnson potentially, if you've got to pick the landing spot for each of those, is Chicago in the mix for either of those Belichick or Mike Vrable and potentially Ben Johnson? So Ben Johnson, I think, if you'd asked him a year ago, it might have been the job you wanted.

I don't know if that's going to be the case the same way. They're in division with them, obviously. But I know he had interest last year. So I think that's possible. And, like, I do think they've got the infrastructure where he can just coach. I'm a little less certain with Belichick and Brable. I think the job in a vacuum would appeal to Belichick. And I was able to.

The question is, like, you've got Kevin Warren is a team president. You got Ryan Poles as a general manager. Like, how did this whole thing look? under Vraebel, under Belichick, because unless they're going to be able to shape the organization a certain way, they may be hesitant to go there. So I think, you know, like you, you know, you look at a Ben Johnson who's, you know, ostensibly the first time head coach going to go there, just a coach. And I think it really could be a very attractive job with Caleb there and the roster they

have in place and everything else. You know, for guys like Vrable and Belichick who may have like a more, I guess, a more global look at how they want to set up the entire organization. Unless those guys have been to make some bigger changes and just who's going to be on their coaching staff, I think they could wind up talking about the idea. Hey, B, I was watching this Dolphins Packers game yesterday, and I just started having all kinds of different conversations with myself,

not with the people who are around me, just in my own mind and in my own head. like thinking about Goon to Coonson, and all these other individuals, you know, LaFleur, and I'm like, okay, you know, let it be told the way Aaron Rogers kind of aired out everything going into

the season before his last season, when he set things straight as it applied to him in the front office, and then fast forward to his final season there and how everything kind of unfolded. If you're looking at

what this Green Bay Packers team looks like at 9 and 3. This is as good a team as it has looked as the Green Bay Packers as it did when they made it to the divisional championship round. They literally are playing at that high of a level. And you're doing it with a guy that you drafted to replace the guy who seemingly has been, the one common denominator and they're being confusion and fallout wherever it is that he's at. What type of, what's the thought process on them getting the running back? Getting rid of Aaron Jones, which I thought was, man, that's a tough one to kind of recover from. But nonetheless, you do it.

and then you get the type of, you know, the type of production you're getting from Josh Jacobs. It just seems like they're operating at a super, super high level, maybe even higher than what it was when Aaron Rogers is there. How is that being perceived by the media, by the inner workings of the league? LeVar, I think the coolest thing about it is, like, so like last year, I'd say a big part of their story was Jordan Love got hot at the end of the the year and they were able to go and

getting these shootouts and winning that sort of setting. It's great to see your young quarterback do that. To me, it's really cool about what's happened since is between the hire of Jeff Hathley to run the defense, some of the moves they made on that side of the ball signing Xavier McKinney was a huge

one. Very big, yep. You know, and then bringing in Josh Jacobs, they're now a team that can win a million different ways. You know what I mean? Like, so this is like an all-weather football team that I think has a chance like even

on a day where maybe it's snowing sideways and Jordan Love throws for 175 yards because you can't do more than that in the past game. The Packers can win that game now. You know what I mean? And I think it's really a credit to a lot of people there because they've had good players

there for a long time but being able to see like the finishing pieces like you know even like having the the humility to say maybe we struck out on our first round safety. It didn't strike out, but just we haven't gotten quite enough out of Darno Savage. So like, let's let him go and go get Xavier McKinney. We really love Aaron Jones and everything he's meant to our franchise,

but God, there's an upgrade out there. Let's go get Josh Jacobs, you know? I just, I think those sorts of decisions are difficult decisions to make that they deserve a lot of credit for because those are the types of things that I think could put them over the top. Even firing Joe Barry, who Matt Mollford is very close with and bringing in Jeff athlete. I think across the board, you know, they've done a really nice job of

setting it up a certain way. So their quarterback can be Superman, but he doesn't have to be Superman every week to win. And I think you saw it last night. I love the Jacob's signing because I think it sort of fits with Barclay, too. Running back, I think some of the smart

front offices looked at it last year, coming out of the season. We're like, you know, that position has been devalued, to the point where it's becoming a value again. Going and getting one of those guys is actually great value now. And if you think about it, and this is the way the Eagles looked at it, getting Sequin Barclay costs them what it costs the Falcons to go get Darnell Mooney. Think about that, right?

Now, Darnell Mooney is a good player. Don't get me wrong, and it's really valuable to Atlanta this year and everything else. But he's your second or third receiver. And Seekoine Barclay touches the ball 300 times in a year. You know what I mean? like so it's just I think it's like it's like the ability to make those adjustments on the fly to flip out Jones for Jacobs to flip out Savage for McKinney to flip out Barry for for for for Hathley and then ultimately you know like being willing to kind of come off of some some some preconceived notions that people in the league might have about certain positions I think is what put the Packers where they are today yeah it's like the top three leading rushers in the NFL bar Markly Henry Jacobs, all guys whose former team was like, no, we're good here. Okay.

Right. And when you think about it, and it's like, if you think about it and it's like, what are they paying for those guys? I mean, I mean, like Henry's making an $8 million. Like that's their back of quarterbacks who make that. You know what I mean? Like it's crazy when you think about it because like everybody's gotten so locked into well, edge rusher, you know, left tackle, receiver, corner, a quarterback. back, and then just don't worry about anything else.

Well, you know, somewhere along the line, the pay at those positions dropped to the point where it's like, okay, all of a sudden, like, this is a really good. Xavier McKinney is another one at safety. You know what? The safety market fell out. So the Packers are able to get good to be there because the rest of the league doesn't value him properly. You know, I think it's a really interesting thing that happened as off-season. I think it certainly benefited both the Packers and Eagles.

Albert Breer, with the breaking news of Matt Eberleu's being fired, we didn't have any time to get to the game this weekend, but we wanted to send you off with this just to try and get you fired up for what's going to go down at the horseshoe. I hope y'all lose. How about this? So my seats, I believe, are like almost right on top of the Fox set on the field. All right.

Oh, nice. Hey, you better harass the hell out of Brady Quinn tomorrow. Please. Yeah, I see it's too late, but I would have had you guys. I sent me like Brady Quinn's sucks T-shirts or something like that. Oh, darn. I could have put all my buddies in them.

Oh, I've got a ton of those, multiple colors. We could have decked you all out perfectly. Albert, thanks, man. I'm hoping you guys lose, A.B., but good luck to you. Thanks, A.B., we appreciate it. All right, thanks, guys. All right, buddy. You're welcome.

I wish you luck, but on the inside, A.B., I'm hoping you guys lose. I never root for Michigan, a large bad practice. I fear. I feel you there. I feel you there, but, you know, we get that big 10 opportunity against Oregon. You guys didn't want to do it. Yeah, no, no, no, I understand you on that one.

Yeah, yeah. All right, there you go. All right, Dave, enjoy. Hope you had great Thanksgiving. There is the great Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio. It is LeVarrington, Jonas Knox, in for Colin and crew here. And again, the breaking news out of the NFL. The Bears, for the first time in franchise history,

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Yeah, I mean, how are you going to do you like that, man? I'm glad you've read it up. Can I just send this message out? to everyone. And a lot of people may sympathize with me here and agree with me. You may disagree with me. I don't know if this makes me a bad person. If I do not

text message you, which this has become the norm. It's not a call. Hey, how you doing talk? If I do not text message you on a holiday, it does not mean I do not care about you. It's just that I don't really care about

the holiday. So don't feel any type of way. feeling anxiety. Like my phone goes off all day. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I'm seeing all these people saying, happy Thanksgiving, happy Thanksgiving, like, hey, look, you guys have that stuff scheduled in your phone and all that stuff.

It goes out. All you got to do is send it, hit sin, all that stuff. That doesn't mean they care about you, people. It's just they feel obligated to do it. I don't want to feel obligated to wish you a Merry Christmas, a Happy Thanksgiving. I don't want to do all of that. I just don't.

It builds anxiety. It's disingenuous. If I hit you up and I say, I'm checking in, you good. Then just know that's important to me. By the way, that's all. Rob Parker has his own Thanksgiving graphic that he sent over to me. Look at this. I'm not making it up.

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