The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Celtics are simply better

Episode Date: June 10, 2024

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right, it is a Monday. We could have breaking news on Dan Hurley, Yukon coach, and the Lakers gig. I got a feeling I know what's going to happen. We're in Los Angeles.

It's the herd wherever you may be. And however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. J-Mack, a lot of things going on. What's not going on is the Mavericks offense. Very much a one-man team. Listen, it happens sometimes in these big events. You don't get a great matchup. A big fight, a Super Bowl.

This looks lobsided. Is that fair? Well, Kyrie Irving, for as much, you know, as we kissed his butt the last two weeks, he's been atrocious to the fight. He can't do anything against anybody. Well, I do not believe this is a difficult, fun. to explain. Number one, that's why I picked the Celtics in six. They've got a much deeper roster, especially offensively. They just got more guys that can score 22 points. Secondly,

Kyrie is projecting that it doesn't bother him. Clearly it does. The fans in Boston are in his head. He's played like garbage the first two games. Another thing is the Celtics are hunting Luca. This is one of the things we talked about before the series. Make Luca work on the defensive end. he will eventually wear down. I didn't think he'd wear down by game two, but he looks tired, fatigued, and beat up. And Porzingis, when he's healthy, I'm sorry. He's just different.

He matters a lot. This has become a one-man team, Luca, against the much deeper roster. It reminds me of some of those LeBron James finals where he was overmatched. The difference is Luke is not getting blamed. LeBron always took all the heat. The Celtics right now have five.

different players five averaging 16 or more Dallas has one you could walk into a YMCA and say see the talent disparity here the Celtics bigs Horford Porzingis are just much more experienced and more skilled than the Mavericks bigs sometimes in sports you just get bad matchups even in a national championship we've seen it in college football a lot Denver Boston what everybody he thought would happen, didn't happen, because the Nuggets blew a 20-point lead in game 7. That would be a great finals. I mean, to sum it up, Luca had a bad second half yesterday, just a bad second half. More turnovers than field goals made.

And Dallas Circle the Drain. Jason Tatum's been off for two straight games in the finals, and they've rolled in both. It's just different rosters. Boston's got a lot more dudes. Now, the West has been deeper than the East for the last two decades or more, but that doesn't mean the best team can't come out of the East. I mean, Porzingis didn't play at all in those playoffs in the East, and they rolled over everybody.

And I think if he was missing, this would be a much more competitive series. But it should be noted as much Boston dominated the Eastern Conference, regular season and playoffs, they also had a record of 25 and 7 in the regular season against the West. So they're the best team, best point differential. We said this last week. The NBA would prefer you not be able to do what the Celtics did, which is add two excellent players to already two, three really good players.

It feels lobsided. It feels like a mismatch. So if you go back and look at the playoffs, you've seen sweeps, gentlemen sweeps, and mismatches, and the Celtics have been involved in most of them. It's got a very rock, paper, scissors field to it. Varsity versus JV. And I think Luca summed up the loss after.

That's with the number one team in the NBA. With the number one record, they have a lot of great players. Basically anybody can get off. So honestly, I think we didn't do a bad job defending today. We took away some trees. We contested some more trees. But like I say, you know, I had too many turnovers. and we missed a lot of returns, so I think that costs us again.

I said this last week. The Celtics are too good and too deep, not to win at least one finals. They're a little too odd and historically weird to be a dynasty, and by the end of next year, Derek White, they won't be able to afford him, I imagine. You know, Porzingis's health, Drew Holliday's getting older. But for this year, this looks like easily the best of the best of the best of the best. best team. And next year, my guess is they win again in the east and meet the Denver Nuggets again. But right now, you've got yourself a mismatch. The bigs for Boston, more skilled,

older, defensive wings, Boston's got more offensive fluidity. Boston's better. It's not close. So a big story over the weekend, Caitlin Clark, who is not one of the top 12 to 15 WNBA players, did not make the Olympic team. I hear that all the time. But Christian Leitner wasn't one of the top 100 players in the NBA, and he made an Olympic team. Jalen Brown, for the record, is not on this Olympic team. He's one of the top 15 players.

He's going to win finals MVP, potentially. Diana Tarasi is not one of the 15 best players in the women's game. She's making the team. Olympic basketball team. team, men's and women's, has always been subjective and very political at the end of the roster. Isaiah Thomas didn't make it. Why?

Michael Jordan didn't like him. To me, it feels like an opportunity wasted. When Connor McGregor came into the UFC, there were fighters over the last five, six years who passed up immediate title fights to fight Connor McGregor. Why? Eyeballs. Yeah. You don't think when Tiger Woods had that 10, 12-year historic run,

guys didn't fight to be in his for some? Eyeballs. The WNBA Finals had 700,000 viewers. The draft that included Caitlin Clark had three times as many. I would make the argument, like a Tiger Woods or a Connor McGregor in their prime, she'll make other people money beyond herself. Rising tide lifts all boats. Instead of getting 7 million viewers, you'll get 14 to 18.

with Caitlin Clark, maybe more. The fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth best player on the women's Olympic team would make six or seven figures in endorsements. The women's basketball team does not lose in the Olympics. I think they've won seven straight gold. You probably didn't know that because you didn't watch. And you would.

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Connor McGregor Caitlin Clark I'm hearing all this rigidity I know women's basketball I've covered the women's Olympics nobody knows it like me

oh God you sound like an old baseball writer stop being precious stop being rigid stop telling us how much you know here's what I know WNBA now is flying chartered flights

she would triple the TV ratings again life doesn't give you sports doesn't give you business doesn't give you a lot of these kind of waves grab the surfboard she's here for you by the way the NBA would die to have a domestic star

nearly as popular as Caitlin Clark. Oh, wait, they do. Anthony Edwards. They put him on the team. Anthony Edwards today is not as good as Jalen Brown. I think he could be by the end of next year. And I think after the trade deadline, I've said this. He and Wemby could be surging as faces of the league.

But Aunt Edwards isn't as good as Jalen Brown now. Ant is unrefined. He's up and down. He's hot and cold. Jalen Brown's great every night. They found a spot for him on the team. Women's basketball feels like it's suffering from spite or historically low self-esteem,

where they want to prove that they know more than you do. Here's what I know. Caitlin Clark would make all the other women on the Olympic team money. Money. She'd make them more famous. She'd give them opportunities. They'd become potentially more household names. It's not just about Caitlin Clark.

In fact, I'd argue it's very little about Caitlin Clark. It's an opportunity wasted. You go ahead and lecture us about how you know the game and you've covered the Olympics. Good for you. But some stuff is business 101. This is a layup and you blew it. It's not a 360. It's not a no-look pass.

It's not beating the Celtics. This was a lay-up. and you bricked it. All right, J-Mack. We got a lot of stuff going on. Caitlin Clark, by the way, has been amazing. She's so good.

Here's what she said to the media. Honestly, no disappointment. I think it just gives you something to work for. You know, that's a dream. You know, hopefully one day I can be there. And I think it's just a little more motivation. You remember that. And, you know, hopefully in four years,

when four years comes back around, you know, I can be there. Again. There you go. Every time she talks, she says the right thing. It reminds me a lot of Taylor Swift. You know, like, you do realize this won't last forever. Taylor Swift is not going to have seven other tours as big as the last one. Even for rock stars, Muhammad Ali had probably five big fights.

A lot of them, nobody watched. Right? Like, this is a moment in time you seize it. In four years, she'll be a good WNBA player. She'll be an All-Star, but it won't feel like this. This was your moment. This was the wave. Grab the surfboard.

Get on it. It's the biggest wave coming for the next two, three, four years. It's funny. Drew Holliday, who's starring in the NBA finals right now, he's not one of the 12 best players in the NBA. He's on the Olympic team because of fit and role. And you're telling me, Caitlin Clark, the best three-point shooter. I know not percentage-wise, but she's the best three-point shooter in women's basketball.

She's dropping bombs from 30. You're telling me there's no role for her in the team. not a real reach. In a three-ball era, it's not a reach for either the men's or the women's Olympic team to say, listen, this player's not quite there yet, but we may get down to somebody in the Olympics. They can get us back with three shots, nine points, and 40 seconds. It's not like you're asking to put like a limited defensive player or just a big who doesn't run the floor. You're talking about an elite ball handler, passer, and shooter in a ball handler, handler, passer, shooter, era. You can find a spot in the bench for. And I love the point where,

well, what if she doesn't play? Her fans are going to be outraged. Caitlin Clark's going to get on the court. She's too good of a competitor, like worry about that down the road. Yeah, that's one of those. I pay way too much in taxes. I paid a million dollars in taxes. Probably not the worst problem in the world. We'll give you an update on Dan Hurley. My hunch, he'll stay at Yukon. That is my hunch. We'll see. Colin Wright, Colin wrong, 45 minutes from that. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard radio app. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying.

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Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So Dan Hurley is the coach of Yukon for now. My gut feeling is he would take the Yukon job. I bumped into a couple of different people over the world. weekend and talked to somebody this morning that Hurley on a Friday night, Saturday night was back in the East Coast and was asking people. He wasn't quite sure what to do. My takeaway, if you know it's the job, you decide that on the flight back.

You kind of know in your gut if it's the job. It doesn't mean he wouldn't take it. It's double the three times the money. But, you know, one of the things I saw in the article, he told ESP, you know, he has BN, well, it's a very compelling case. They made a very compelling case for the job. What is it? LeBron's 40, AD is brittle, and they don't have two of their four first round picks in the next four years.

They don't have two of four. You could be the next coach K staying in college basketball. And for the record, Coach K turned down a monster deal with the Lakers years ago, and he was probably smart to do it. In the last 10 years, the Lakers have won 50 or more games one time. That's with Kobe and LeBron and AD. The West is deep. It's young. It's getting better.

The Lakers is not a great job. Don't confuse that with it's a big brand. Timing is everything. It doesn't feel like the timing is great. They don't have a ton of draft capital. You've got to deal with the LeBron age issue. AD was completely healthy last year. You trust he'll do that again.

There is a sea of money for the talented people in this country, men and women. Take the right job, not just the paycheck. After about three paychecks, that'll get old fast. If you're banging your head against the wall needing Austin Reeves to be your number two because LeBron took another night off. It is a limited roster. It is a massive brand. I wouldn't take it.

There's going to be six to seven openings next year and the year after. Could be all over the league, multiple East Coast jobs, East Coast wife, East Coast guy. My feeling is, if I was Dan Hurley, this isn't a job for him. J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Well, let me just say, I hope you're wrong.

I think Hurley taking it would be a gold mine. You love that we're in the interesting business. I don't think it gets much more interesting than Dan Hurley coming to Lakers. Yeah, but if you're winning 40 games, how interesting is the coach? Well, how do you know they're going to win 40 games? You don't know that. Denver, Minnesota, OKC. We'll see how they reshape the roster this summer, although hopefully it involves keeping Austin Reeves.

Let's get started with the Lakers coaching search, Colin. It may come to a closure today, maybe in the next couple hours. However, interesting name that popped up over the weekend, according to Mark Stein, who you previously work with, former Villanova head coach Jay Wright could be a stealth candidate for the Lakers head coaching position, and he expects more information to surface whether Hurley lands the job or not. Now, Jay Wright left Villanova a couple years ago, obviously an amazing basketball coach. He is a little older than Hurley. He's 62.

also lived in Vegas for several years. He knows the West Coast well. I covered him when he was at UNLV. So he knows the West Coast. He's recruited California extensively. So this to me is an interesting fit. Hurley feels very East Coast. Jay feels East Coast, but a little more amenable to a West Coast swing.

I don't think Jay is going to take it either. I text Jay. Jay loves what he's doing with the Broadmo. He's fully engaged with it. He's very good at it. So again, sometimes no is a really powerful word. And if you're Jay Wright for the next five years and Dan Hurley for the next 10, say no all the time until you find a better job. With realistic expectations, closer to family and home, with draft capital to build it the way you did in college.

Draft capital? You think a 62-year-old Jay Wright cares about draft capital? I think he's good at building cultures and building players, yes. Well, he was at Villanova. At this age, do you think he wants to build something? Like, it's like Popovich. You know, he's way up there in age, and now you got Wenbin Yama. Popovich is like mid-70s.

I know, but let's... Do you think Jay Wright wants to be, like, on the sideline barking at, like, 68 years old? We don't see a lot of NBA coaches that age anymore, Colin. I don't think 60 is... I'm 60. No, I said 68 in a few years, you know? Yeah, but that's not a few years. years. If you're a Laker coach for eight years, that means you would have had a championship or they

wouldn't have retained you. Eight years is a long time in NBA coaching circle. You take a job at 61, 62, and you last to 68, 69. They don't keep you in L.A. unless you got rings. Or of course, close to it, yeah. Yeah. So I, I, so you think, Jay Wright? I, I, I, again, I'm saying if I was the agent of Dan Hurley or Jay Wright, I'd say, pass for now. I don't think this is a great job. It's Old LeBron clutch sports on a lot of nights. Austin

Reeves has to be your two. Are you watching the Celtics? Wait a minute. Where Al Horford's, you're six. You're not competing against Denver when Michael Porter's your four. Unless Genie Bus and Polinka said, hey guys,

we've got to convince Hurley that this is not a clutch sports organization. LeBron's got one or two years left. We need to transition to our next phase, the post-clutch phase or whatever you want to call it. LeBron's going to sign a three-year deal the minute this coaching hire happens. It'll be like a one plus one or two-plus-one. He's come on. You really think LeBron's at, what is he, 39? You think he's going to put to 42? Yeah, I do. I think he likes the money. I think he likes the action. Yeah, I think he will. I wonder if we're seeing a splinter inside the Lakers.

Like, Jeannie Buss, hey, you guys had a good run. LeBron, you got two years left. It does feel like it's coming to the... It's like the Warriors, remember? They should have broke things up last year. Now they end up... The answer is almost always... Be proactive, not react. The Lakers feel like they're reacting to a lot of things.

They're not proactive. They're reacting to a lot of things. I think they're going to sign a coach the minute they do. LeBron signs a big contract. Again, this job is fraught with landmines. It's a brand right now. What job is? It's not like college sports where, let's say,

you're Alabama football pre-Nick Sabin or Texas football pre-Sark where you're beaten up. You can turn it over in two years. You can turn the whole roster over with a transfer portal in two seasons. You can't do that in the NBA. You've got to have matching salaries. There's all sorts of issues and obstacles and roadblocks to making deals. It's fun. Yeah, it's fun unless you're a coach getting run out and want to turn it over.

This is not close to a championship roster. Remember, Austin Reeves. on many nights because AD or LeBron Sitt is your second best player. Come on. He does not start for the Celtics. I'm not sure he starts for Denver. I don't know if he starts for O KC. Oh, well, he starts for, he's better than KCP.

Stop it. Get out of here. He can run some point. You are, what did you become an Austin Reeves hater? What's going on? I'm just... He's fun and talented. All right, let's move on to Dack Prescott.

You know, listen, Dak Prescott seemingly in the news every day because he's waiting for his big contract. Dak is entering the final year of his deal. Despite the lack of job security, he's ready to roll the dice. This is the urgency you should always have, to be honest. So maybe guys who normally wouldn't fill it, fill it. So I don't mind it. I've been in this position before.

I'm a gambling man. We'll gamble on myself and my guys. So not actually, guys. I understand. I understand. There's been a lot of s' with that. Not that way. hard. Yeah, good for him. I always think he's great at the microphone.

Betting on himself. Yeah, he's funny. He's good. He's very, very good. There are so many things about him that yell scream franchise quarterback. Uh-oh. I see you looking at the screen. There's no hurley news, is there? I don't have my stuff open. Anyways, final story. Broncos moved on from Russell Wilson this offseason. Their new quarterback room features Bo Nix, who they drafted and former Jet Zach Wilson. Here's a report, Colin. Zach? Wilson is crushing in camp and he is in the mix for the week one starting job.

It's June. What do you mean week one? Week one of preseason? Listen, man. Week one starting gig against Seattle. That would be week one of the season. You excited about Zach Wilson? To be a backup, yes.

What does that say about Bo Nix, huh? Zach Wilson beats him out. I wouldn't believe any of this nonsense. Okay. But I do think this is a good place for him. Okay, here's, uh, is you, you done? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jay Mack with the news.

Is it official? Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So, Yukon's practice is now scheduled for 2 o'clock this afternoon. Dan Hurley is not on campus yet. Sources tell Fox Sports, John Fanta, who is a college basketball reporter for Fox. So Hurley's not on campus yet.

Practice is scheduled for 2 o'clock this afternoon. very interesting I'm just saying if I was hurley I'd stay out east but money talks I was told it's a weird who you bump into in Los Angeles

I was told they offered him the job he was very excited one of his kids was here one or two they were very excited there was a lot of excitement but

you know wife is from the east coast lots of family ties to the East Coast. For you, you just move. You're young, but for a lot of people, it's not like Yukon. Yukon right now is the best college basketball program in America. Not Duke, not Kansas, not Syracuse, and they own the East Coast. They own a region that still loves the sport. That's great. Wonderful. Life is about a call to adventure. And if Dan Hurley gets a chance to coach the Lakers, the most glamorous franchise in the NBA, I think you've got to jump at that. Oh, look, I'm coaching the greatest player in the history of the sport.

LeBronis on my team. That is amazing. That would have been great eight years ago. Here are the pros and cons. So let's look at the pros and cons for Dan Hurley. The pros. You double your salary or more. That's good. Nice. No more NIL.

No more transfer portal. Where's a lot of coaches out? It's a higher quality of basketball. You're just dealing with the world's best players. And listen, he's an ascending coach. It's the next step in your career. You've obviously aced, you know, Wagner, Rhode Island, and Yukon. This guy's taken several steps.

The cons, I don't care what you make. Job security, good luck. The LeBron factor, the clutch sports factor. He's run every team he's been on. The offense has to run through LeBron. And if you watch Dan Hurley's offense, LeBron and Dan Hurley's offense aren't ideal. Number three, it's an aging roster.

Your two best players, one's old. old, one's brittle. Number four, the Western Conference, everybody's got a rising star except you. Well, Denver, Minnesota, Dallas, Sacramento, everybody's got a rising star except you. Let me counter. The Lakers are one of two teams that had two all NBA players. They got two all NBA players. One's going to be 40. So? He was still playing in a top, what is he, 25, 8, and 7 or some ridiculous stats this year? LeBron was tremendous. I can't believe you're acting like this, Colin. I'm a little disappointed.

I mean, Hurley is an awesome coach. Do you know what he would mean to the Lakers? Maybe they need some tough love on the sidelines. Instead of Darvinham, who, you know, we hear stuff about, he just would be unprepared and not serious. You're taking it from a corporation standpoint. I'm taking it from Dan Hurley's standpoint. I know Dan.

I like Dan. Dan's agent. I'm thinking of it like Dan would think of it. You're thinking of it like, oh, it'd be good for the city. Why do I care? I've never lived here if I'm Dan Hurley. That would be good for the Lakers. What do I care?

I didn't grow out with the Lakers. That all sounds good to a Laker fan, but he doesn't have any attachment to that. So you know these coaches. We've talked to a lot of them, NFL coaches. They feel like they can fix any quarterback. They just, I can solve it. I know the problem for this guy.

Sean Payton looked at Russell Wilson and said, you had a couple of bad news. I got this. These coaches have massive egos that they can fix and solve anything. I will tell you this. Saturday night, I had a friend in the same circle as Dan Hurley. And Dan was unsure.

He was asking people. He was unsure. He just didn't know. Usually, if I'm doing that, I tend to be somebody that I go with my gut. I do the homework, then I let it rip, right? Like, I'm going to go with my gut. If I'm asking people who aren't even associated with me or I don't know particularly well, and I'm uncertain, that's probably a no for me. But that doesn't mean, like, again, I'm just giving you my gut.

But he hasn't shown up for practice yet. Yukon's practice is at 2, which is an hour and a half from now on the East Coast. So we're at 9.30 here. So 11 o'clock here is 2 o'clock there. So, I mean, he may be pulling up in his Kia here in the next. So he's got a key. Well, it's not like he has to get the practice. I don't know well enough, but the big fish small pond, is that a factor here?

Like, again, he's probably one of the most identifiable people in the state of Connecticut when he's there, right? I mean, you go back-to-back titles. Fair? Now you come to L.A., you can hide. You can work behind the scenes because there's so much else going on. I just, I mean, it's a cool opportunity. Oh, I think it's, I think, listen, if he takes the job, it's not a terrible decision. I wouldn't be shocked. I'm sure he was 50-50 last night, right? Like he's probably said, I mean, I'm telling you, I've done this three times. What you do is you sit down with your

wife and you ask. Poor glass of vino, you sit there and you ask questions. We did the pros and cons list before moving out to California. Eight years ago. Yeah, I did it on a yellow sheet of paper. Yeah, yeah. I did it before I moved to Portland school, before I went to ESPN before I came here. Old school, glass of wine, let's sit and talk about it for two hours. Then you make a decision. Your point about, like, people love to like stay where they,

close to where they grew up. They don't want to move away. I remember you have some stat you always cite. He's ensconced in the Northeast. Like, that's his area. Wagner, Rhode Island. There's probably some fear about leaving, right? I don't even know if it's fear, it's uncertainty. Like, generally, if you take a new job, this is the way I've, you know, you and I have thought, the way I always think is, what are the uncertainties?

What are the certainties? Okay, I'm, I'm, you know, when I took the previous job I had, I'd never lived out east. I didn't know many people out east. It was national, not local. So I wanted to make sure there were some certainties that I had going into. into it. So because there was a lot of uncertainty and that uncertainty is great because you grow during those time. Discomfort's great for all of us at times. So Dan, I think Dan's probably asking himself, two or three questions. Am I a pro coach? Maybe I'm a great college coach.

Am I a pro coach? I'm not sure. You're not sure until you do something. He doesn't know. Mahomes didn't know he was going to be this. You don't know until you do it. Right. So he doesn't know. What he does know, he's the best college coach. It's hard to argue yourself out of dominant and a great job. Let's say they paid the same. You would never take it. No. So a lot of this to me is just money. If it paid the exact same, why would I leave certainty, guarantees, and happiness for, hey, this thing could be a disaster. It's fear. It, well, you have have to reward me for that. So to me, it really comes to that. Lakers job, unknown, different coast, limitations with draft capital, aging stars. It pays twice as much. Well, I mean, there's a

bunch of things he can control if he comes out. He can control practices, work ethic of the team. Like, I'm not saying he's going to be like a hardcore yelling screamer. He's going to have to dial it back. Maybe he wants to change a little as a person get into his next phase, Colin. Remember, Coach Kay had a lot of opportunities to jump to the NBA. He kept saying no, kept staying no, I'm just going to stick to you. But you know what he did? You know what he did? Coach Kay's like, I'll coach the Olympic team. Stack deck. So if I was Dan Hurley, I'd call my agent and say, hey, after Steve Kerr's done doing this, can I coach the Olympic team so I can stay at Yukon, but get some NBA feel? Coach Kay's smart. Coach K's like, I'm not going

to take the NBA job, but I want to coach NBA guys. Mark Fuitt-Gonzagga does that. I'm going to keep making $4,000 or $5 million at Gonzaga, whatever, but I want to coach NBA guys. Jim Beheim did this. He was offered NBA jobs, I was told. Bayheim's like, no, I like all the guarantees and the dominance of college, but I got to play NBA every four years.

I can see Dan Hurley saying, hey, let's contact USA basketball and Kerr's done. I wouldn't mind coach in the Olympics a couple of times. But the one big difference is Coach K and Beheim for many, many years, decades, did not have to deal with this NIL transfer portal stuff, which now is just like, ooh.

No, no, that's, that's a, listen, if it paid the same, you'd stay at Yukon. If the NBA had the transfer portal, you know, it'd be a different ballgame. You'd stay at Utah. I mean, there's a huge advantage. The one big advantage to the NBA is no athletic director, no NCAA, no NIL, no transfer portal. It is harder today to coach college sports. The rewards are better financially, but it's, you know, It's harder.

The recruiting is, I mean, you're trying to recruit and retain your own players. All weekend, Yukon players, I'm certain, have been getting hit up by their buddies at other schools, maybe some assistant coaches. How you doing? Are you monitoring the Hurley stuff? Yeah. Any interesting coming here? I talked to a college basketball coach this weekend.

He goes, the transfer portal, I can't contact the players. I have to contact their hand alert. A glorified AAU coach half the time. So these college coaches can't even call recruits in the transfer. Transfer portal. They have to get a hold of a handler. Middleman. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, we're Kavino and Rich. Fox Sports Radio every day, 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern.

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Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. We are waiting word on the Laker job with Dan Hurley.

I just went over to my phone and I was perusing a couple of NBA writers. It is interesting. A lot of the feedback you're hearing that is within NBA circles, the Laker job is not considered as good a job as people think. For years and years, people took the NICs job, and it was a bad gig

because they didn't have the right president and the right infrastructure or the right star. Now the NICS is a good job. They've got those components in place. The Lakers don't have a coach. LeBron's going to be 40. Clutch sports runs LeBron and AD. Their business, you've got to deal with that.

It's a lot. Again, I'll say it in the West. Everybody's got a rising young star. Minnesota, Denver, Dallas, Sacramento, and even the older stars in the West, like Steph Curry feels like he's got more left in the tank than LeBron James. So, and again, AD was healthy all last year. You think you're going to get that again? It's a little like Tua.

Like Tua was healthy last year. You're going to bet he's going to do it again and again? going to sign him to a contract. So I thought AD was spectacular last year, but it felt like a little bit of an outlier over the last six years in his career. Here it's something that's funny as I watch this series. So people get mad at stuff they fear.

You watch it with people's opinions on politics. When you fear something, it makes you angry because it's unknown. There's uncertainty, and people don't like that. But Luca Dantage will take no here. heat when the Mavericks lose these finals. He's unquestionably the best player and has very little shot to win it with this roster. The big difference, LeBron, when he lost in the finals, got crushed for it.

Luca won't be. And that's the difference. LeBron has been covered differently for a lot of reasons. Number one is he's always been a threat to Michael Jordan's legacy. number two the decision got people all worked up I don't get it

but you know 40% of Americans never leave the zip code they were born in mobility turns people off I guess so that that takes some people off but if this was LeBron you know what you'd be saying right

well yeah sure he's hurt play through it Michael did we'd be blaming you know his leadership oh he's too bald dominant It couldn't close. More turnovers than field goals made in the second half. That never happened to Jordan.

If LeBron was getting abused on the defensive end, which never happened in his career, but it's happening to Luca, LeBron would be crushed for that. The Celtics are targeting Luca, and it's effective. He looks tired. He's not in the greatest shape. We've always said that. LeBron was in great shape. In his prime, a great defender.

never got targeted or worked by anybody, but LeBron gets beaten in the finals, because he doesn't have the components, crushed. Luca, well, Kai Re didn't show up. It's funny how we treat people. Yes, Luca is overmatched in the finals. LeBron against the Warriors when he was down to Matthew Delavidobo was overmatched.

LeBron and his first finals against Tim Duncan and the Spurs, overmatched. People still pinned it on LeBron. Here's Jason Kidd after. it's not, you know, all on him as a team. We went as a team and we lose as a team. And so he put us in a position. He was really good tonight.

And unfortunately, we just can, you know, get over the hump. And right now we've got to find someone to join Luca and Kai in that scoring category. The other thing about this finals that's pretty interesting. And this is not a criticism of Jason Tatum. It's a reality that I've been preaching. He's not a top five player in the league. but I would love to have him on my team. But Tatum is a much more fluid,

aesthetically pleasing, natural offensive player than Jalen Brown. But Jalen Brown is the alpha. Jalen Brown's more aggressive. And to be honest with you, he's more consistent. The real truth with the Celtics is the general manager Brad Stevens saw this.

is everybody camps out and then defends Jason Tatum, all the fanboys defend him. Brad Stevens told you the truth. He brought in two scores, one really good score in Porzengis, and then another better than Marcus Smart scoring guard, Drew Holliday. You wouldn't do that if you had Michael or Kobe. You wouldn't need to do it. You'd get other players that did other things, but they brought in two scores.

So right now, Jason Tatum is currently the third leading score for the Celtics in the finals. He's almost fourth. So it feels like he plays off his teammates, often more than his teammates play off of him. He doesn't really have a classic go-to finishing move where Michael had three or four. Kobe had a couple. Karim had the one. But this is not a knock on him. It's a reality.

Is that Brad Stevens really told you what he thought about Tatum the player. He's excellent. They're going to max contract him. I mean, far less talented players get Max than Jason Tatum. But that Brown is more alpha and dependable in terms of production, both ends. Tatum's more talented but can be a little more flound. And so Brad Stevens, to solve that little riddle, brought in a big score in Porzingis, if he can just stay healthy enough, and Drew Holliday, who has nights like last night, where you're wondering if he's the best player on the floor. But the general manager, when the chiefs let go of Tyreek Hill, Brett Veach was telling you, between Andy Mahomes and Kelsey, Tyreek was the fourth most valuable player.

and they've went back-to-back Super Bowl since he left. They were right. But the Chiefs, by letting Tyreek go, we're telling you, this is an Andy Reid-Maholmes Kelsey offense. It's not a Tyreek offense. And they were right. And Brad Stevens told you there are going to be some limitations to what Tatum can do against elite teams in big spots.

We think he's an A player, but he's not really your alpha closer. Brad Stevens coached him. Now he GMs him. And he fit in offense. pieces around him. So it's not a criticism. This is not an anti-Jason Tatum. I would love to have him on my team. But it does feel like he more often feeds off his players than they feed off him. Last night, classic example. You needed a closing shot when Dallas drew closer. Jalen Brown's like, get me the ball, goes to the basket, closes the game out. That's what you're Duncan, Kobe,

MJ, M.J. Bird. That's what your closer does. But he doesn't consistently feel like he wants it or maybe psychologically needs that validation. But Boston's a really good team. But I think it's pretty clear what Brad Stevens did in the offseason. It was not a knock on Tatum. It was a, hey, this is what we are. This is what we need. Let's go get it.

It's on the market. And it's worked perfectly. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong. Top of next hour. Nick Nurse, Sixers coach. He's watching these Celtics. He faced these Celtics all year. He knows how good they are.

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