The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Chiefs and the Eagles

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Colin looks at the Chiefs playing in their 5th Super Bowl in 6 years and the Eagles playing in their second in 3 years and explains what these highly successful teams have in common He believes the New York Knicks are the team in the NBA everyone can embrace because of their "anti-NBA" identity The NBA understands the popularity of Caitlin Clark See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tomorrow's Best of the Hurt. Live in Los Angeles, it's The Hurt. Tom Brady next hour, Greg CoSell next hour. So great to have you in. J-Mack, as we get ready, our big last final show before Super Bowl Week, is a very exciting time for us. As your mentor, I have been able to guide you through these big weeks. You've been very, very strong. Self-appointed mentor, mentor, let us. It's nice.

I gave myself a nickname. I'm a self-appointed mentor. I need to get over me. So, everybody's talk. I read a story this morning about all the things like the Chiefs and the Eagles have in common. But you and I like to do this. So I'm going to start with this. There are basically four teams that keep, four organizations that keep getting to this game the last eight years.

The Chiefs, the Eagles, the Niners, and the Rams. They keep getting to this game regularly. And what do they have in common? It's not superstar quarterbacks. Right? Nick Foles got to one-in-one. It's not great head coaches, Doug Peterson. It's not high-flying offenses.

It's not stifling defenses. Chiefs, Eagles, Niners, Rams keep getting to this game. And they'll be favored after this year to get to the next year's game. Right? It's one common thread upstairs. The front offices are hyper-aggressive. trades, deal-making, moving up in the draft. That's it.

And all have pivoted in recent years even after success. Even after success, the chiefs are like, we're going to go from Tyree Hill fastest receiver to mostly a defensive-led franchise. Rams went golf who got to the Super Bowl. He got to the Super Bowl. We're going to move off then to Stafford. I mean, the Niners get to the Super Bowl with Garoppel.

We're going to go with Brock Purdy and Christian McCaffrey. And the Eagles, yeah, they change every 15 minutes. No big explanation needed, right? Coordinators, coaches, quarterbacks, they're constantly changing. So the NFL is a league that wants parity. Best record drafts last. There are limitations on what you can do. First place, hardest schedule.

Last place, easiest schedule. So how do you separate when the governance of a league would like parity? Everybody's smushed to the middle. Got to be aggressive with your personnel moves. The loser in this trend is three teams that I think of. Joe Burrow and the Bengals. Cheap ownership, terrified of taking big swings on draft deck. The Pittsburgh Steelers.

How many years in a row they can't figure out offense? Defense of culture. And the Dallas Cowboys who couldn't afford Derek Henry. That's funny. The Eagles have much more talent, very expensive, could afford Sequin Barclay. You couldn't afford Derek Henry. So in a league designed for parity, you've got to take big swings. Take Kansas City.

They moved up in the draft to get Mahomes. They moved up ahead of Buffalo to get Trent McTuffey. They moved up to get Xavier Worthy. Even as they're winning, big aggressive moves to go get the piece they need. Rams, Niners, Eagles. Chiefs. It's not stifling defenses in all cases. It is now for Kansas City.

It's not always great coaches. Nick Foles got to a Super Bowl. So did Jared Goff. This league, they are trying, despite what you think, to keep everybody within arm's length. And for the record, until this year, the bottom of the NFL always felt kind of small. but it's become more quarterback-centric,

so if you don't have one, you fall back further and sooner. But if you're wondering the big difference in this league, Joe Burrow should be in five more Super Bowls. He's that good. I don't think you'll ever get to one if he stays in Cincinnati. They're cheap. They're frugal. They don't make moves.

I mean, they started bailing from good players before they had to pay them. I mean, they were moving off safeties. Anybody they could to save money, before they paid Jamar Chase. So if you're looking for a common threat on this stuff, this is why, ask yourself this. For last 30 years, one of the loser franchises in the league,

let's be honest, was Detroit. What is Detroit done as well as anybody for the last three or four years? Draft. Aggressive. Take a running back in the first round. Move up and draft. Take swings. That's the difference.

Well, you've got to have the right quarterback. And Kansas City moved up to get it. the Rams made a deal to get it. Philadelphia has taken risks moving off MVP level once to get it. And the Niners, Garoppolo, moved off him. Yeah, you've got to get the quarterback. How do you think it's going to fall to you? You don't think you have to get on the phone?

You don't think you have to take big swings on this stuff? These teams were good. And when they were good in getting their Super Bowls, they still were aggressive. That is the common thread. So I got to talk about this. And the NBA right now, yesterday Adam Silver came out and said, you know what, I want to shorten quarters. They're tweaking stuff because the TV ratings are bad.

Whatever. And one of the reasons is we don't have a Jordan. We don't have this young emerging star, a Steph Curry, we can all latch on to, a domestic star. But I do think we have a team that feels like the most domestic old school product, the New York Knicks, who beat the Denver Nuggets last night. They are the anti-NBA. They don't shoot a lot of threes. They're guys, they're starting five, there is no load management.

They all play 35 minutes a night. Don't have much of a bench. They practice hard, they play harder. They're kind of a half-court offense. And it's very rare when a New York team is an underdog, but they're very much about culture. And that's really not the NBA. The NBA is about talent.

it used to be Spurs and Duncan culture, Chuck Daly Pistons, culture, MJ, toughness, Phil Jackson, culture. The New York Knicks won again last night, and what they've done and why I think they're so incredibly likable is they're basically Villanova professionally. Mature guys, older guys, same starting lineup, no load management, and in a league that is struggling because, their stars are all international. And international guys, they're not as interested in doing commercials. You don't know who they are. They didn't go to Kansas or Syracuse or Yukon.

I didn't go to UCLA and Arizona and Gonzaga. You didn't watch them in college. They get hoisted onto a bad team. You don't watch them until their stars. They're already in the league five years. They don't want to do big shoe commercials. So I think it's really interesting watching the New York Knicks last night. And here's the thing.

The East Coast. The NBA needs the Knicks. They really do. The Lakers aren't well-run enough to ever carry this franchise again with this ownership. They're not. The Clippers have the richest owner. They're not a big brand. Wemby's fantastic, but San Antonio is a small market.

So in the end, this league, like baseball, they need the Yankees. Everybody needs something except the NFL where Kansas City can drive ratings. Buffalo can drive ratings. Baltimore and Green Bay can drive ratings. The NBA needs. the Knicks. Because they can't apparently develop a domestic star that we all fall in love with. I thought it would be

maybe not. So they gave us a very domestic team, the New York Knicks. Because we can't trust Philadelphia. And can we be honest about Boston? They're really deep. But they're they don't have any personality and all they do is shoot threes. It's not that riveting basketball. And I think this is

really great about the Knicks is everybody's always loved. All of our basketball stars, especially our domestic stars, have loved playing in New York. Jordan loved Kobe loved it, Shaq loved it, aunt loves it. Everybody likes performing in New York. And what's interesting is the stars have always loved going to New York and showing off. And this team's kind of starless.

I mean, Jalen Brunson's terrific. But he's a Villanova guy. And Villanova guys are really about culture and toughness and practice. They're so anti-NBA. Jalen Brunson said, yeah, I'm going to give up money. I want McHale Bridges. I'm going to give up money. They are the anti-NBA.

Not a lot of threes. No load men. management, practice and play hard, starters play 37 minutes, play hurt, don't really care, all in, and I think it works. The NBA could use about a dozen more Knicks, and I'm trying to think of a New York team in my life that was an underdog. Maybe it was the Giants against that undefeated Patriots team. A lot of America was kind of rooting for Eli and, you know, all those defensive linemen. but this is the rare New York team that really feels

likable, embraceable, heavily domestic, anti-NBA, sacrificing for the betterment of the team. Fun watch. Beat Denver last night. Easy, easy, team to watch. See, J. Max saying nice things, very positive.

I noticed when I did talk about those four aggressive teams, and I really believe that, is that we always look for common threads. Why has something happening? So when you ask somebody, oh, you're successful, the question is, how did you do it? What are the elements to making people successful or companies successful? And I think if you look in the NFL, it's not the one thing we all think it is. We think, oh, it's quarterback.

But how did you get it? The Chiefs moved up for Mahomes. The Rams made a big deal, a risk for Stafford because they were paying Stafford and golf for several years. I mean, Garoppolo got you to a Super Bowl. How about a kid from Iowa State? And Philadelphia moved off Carson Wentz when he was having an MVP year. And so it's like, it's not just about quarterback. How did you get your quarterback?

It's risk. Yeah. And this is a copycat league. So I think we saw the Falcons try that with Kirk Cousins last. Failed spectacularly. Let's quickly move on the way the Eagles did from whence. That's right. Falcons have said, Kirk Cousins, it's over.

We got penics now. I think you've got to make quick decisions and not like, hey, maybe next year we got a shot, which is what the Dallas Cowboys seem to be doing. I want to think about this. Think about all the talent the Philadelphia Eagles have. It is a stacked roster. They're paying receivers, multiple offensive linemen, quarterback running back, an old corner slay, a safety in linebackers, big money. And they could afford Seekwon Barkley.

The Cowboys are paying Seedy Lamb and Dak, and they're like, we don't have $8 million for Derek Henry. So you do, you just have to be aggressive. And so when the Cowboys' plight emerges, no sympathy. By the way, the Eagles, it's amazing. They keep drafting Georgia football players on defense. And amazingly, they've got a great defense. They're all good. The secret sauce to the Eagles draft Georgia football players.

Jalen Carter. Everybody, because there was the incident with his car. And so everybody was hands off Jalen Carter. And aggressively, they said, yeah, he's still the best football player out there. And maybe the next Aaron Donald, that was a big risk. Nolan Smith coming off the edge. Oh, he's too light. He looks like a beast.

And Zach Bonn, who was on special teams with the, Orleans Saints. They see him as an undervalued asset. First team all pro. Like, Eagles just doing things right. Yeah. And by the way, that doesn't mean all big risks are smart. Cleveland Deshawn Watson. You should never, ever give out a guaranteed contract. Brady didn't get a guaranteed contract. Mahomes doesn't get one. Lamar doesn't get one. You're not giving Deshawn Watson. That's just a poorly run franchise. It's not a poorly coach franchise or a poorly GM franchise. It's a poorly owned franchise. So all risks don't work. But when Philadelphia If you do with, they just move off it.

They just, okay. I mean, look at coordinators, they get to a Super Bowl, coordinators get head jobs, two new coordinators come in, one year in. I mean, by Thanksgiving, they're like, yeah, this doesn't work. We're going to get new guys. Don't get paralyzed by it. You can take swings. The problem is when you're Cincinnati and you take no swings,

and now you have a team that with arguably the best quarterback in the league this year can't make the playoffs and 40% of the, of the league makes the playoffs. And I'm sure you see all the people crunching the numbers. Can they afford to keep T. Higgins now, giving all the money to burrow Higgins and Chase? Can you get to the playoffs? I don't know.

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It was all source material. I know the characters. College football is this. incredible feeder system into the NFL. I mean, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, Michael Penix, J.J. McCarthy. I watched all of them for years. The NBA is literally going to the WNBA and say, can we borrow your top domestic player? She's way more popular than our domestic stars.

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Let's go to Nick Siriana and the Eagles. They're in the Super Bowl for the second time in three seasons. The last time they were on the big stage, they were kind of, I know you don't like when I say this. They were dominating the chiefs. They led by 10 at halftime. They were in control of that game. A lot of people do that.

We've seen this movie before. We know how it ends. the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes with one of these 12-play, 66-yard drives at the end of the game to set at the game-winning field goal. But anyway, Siriani knows he's going to need to tweak some things to get a different result this time. Obviously, you go through everything, and I won't get into details there, Jeff, of what we're changing. But you go through after each week you talk about what you can do better and what you did well. A couple tweaks here and there. of what we're what we'll do differently.

A couple of things that, you know, we'll stay the same. But of course, like any time you go through any situation like that, you take notes like that and you try to get better from each circumstance you go through. Yeah, that guy at Mahomes was decent in the second half last time. They met, I think he was like 14 to 50. Ridiculous numbers.

They went second half, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal. And they came back to beat the Eagles. Philly had a great game plan. I'm telling you, in that last Super Bowl, remember, I was on the Eagles. I was at a Super Bowl party with all these Chiefs fans, and I was just like, oh, we got this, baby.

Eagles looking good. I was doing the... I can see that. Yeah, yeah. Shocker. Sirian is going to... Listen, I don't know what you say. Like, at this point, we know what's going to happen, right?

People are poo-pooing this Super Bowl. Let me remind you. It's perfect. It's the wall of talent in Philadelphia and the greatest coach and quarterback currently playing in the league. If you gave Mahomes to the Eagles, it's a blowout. If you gave Philly's talent to read in Mahomes, it's a blowout. It's the perfect Ying and Yang.

It's Philadelphia's talent, but we doubt the two most important positions, head coach quarterback, and then it's Reed and Mahomes, and we don't think they quite stack up physically personnel-wise with Philadelphia. That's what this is a superhero movie. You could see both, you could see the overwhelming talent of Philadelphia flourishing. Or you could see Mahomes Last Minute trailing all game Nine play drive Plus a two point conversion win 2827

That's why I think it's a fantastic Super Bowl So in that Super Bowl Remember Hertz had the fumbled Nick Bolton scoop and score Yep Right and then in the second half there was the Cadarius Tony I don't even know if that guy's in the league anymore Breaks off like a 75-yard punt return

Remember down the sideline I remember it was like I mean every It's always something The Chiefs always get something You know what's great about this game though Just just think about this Mahomes, Kelsey, Worthy, Barclay, Brown, Goddard. I mean, Jalen Carter, they've got like nine playmakers, some on defense.

This is a playmaker Super Bowl. These are the teams that should be in it. I told you I was talking to an NFL executive this week and he goes, the media portrays Buffalo and Kansas City is very even. He goes, the Chiefs top seven to eight players outside of Josh Allen. are mostly much better than the Bills, top seven or eight players. He goes, you guys think the rosters are close. There's nothing like Trent McDuffie or Chris Jones anywhere on the Buffalo roster.

Well, just on defense. That's kind of hard. I mean, Benford was excellent all season. Then he leads with a concussion. But the spread in that game was one and a half, and they win by a field goal. Like, I don't think there's that much of a gap. Do you think there's a huge talent gap between Eagles and Chiefs? I know you're going to do your top 10 players.

What is that? I'm going to do that next week, probably. I'll do that third. Thursday. So do I think there's a big gap? I think Philadelphia has more elite players. I mean, it's probably seven of the ten are going to be Eagles. Well, I'll give you Mahomes. I don't know that I can give you Kelsey. McDuffie Jones. I don't know that I can give you Kelsey as one of the top ten players in this game. If you're going on like history, sure. But right now, is the engine? Would you be shocked if Travis Kelsey won MVP of the Super Bowl?

I would be shocked, yeah. Okay. I know Eagles have struggled with tight ends. Zacherts just had 11 catches for Washington, so maybe Kelsey goes bonkers, but yeah, I would be shocked if he's this. Are you betting that? Is that a prop bet you're giving up? No, I'm just saying, well, I mean, Dallas Goddard could win MVP. I mean, both tight ends are great. He's really good. Yeah. All right. We'll go to the next story, and that's the Raiders. They introduced Pete Carroll earlier this week after moving off Antonio Pierce. Max Crosby, who you remember pounded the table for Antonio Pierce. You know, he's excited about Pete Carroll, and he's

very pumped about where the team and franchise is headed. That's exciting. I think the number one thing you look at is just energy. You know, we talked about it a few times, competition as well. You know, as a competitor, as somebody who brings energy all the time and lives off that and expects it from others, I love somebody with that type of mentality. So he's a winner. He's done it this whole career.

You know, the main things that he talked about is we're going right now. Like, we're not wasting time. That's the one thing he mentioned to me after his best conference. we're going to get this thing rolling. Yeah, it's interesting. When you look at their personnel, they have both their tackle set and their center set. So they found a right tackle and a center last year in the draft.

They have a weapon, a key weapon, Brock Bowers. They have their pass rusher. And I actually think defensively, they were all beat up last year. They're pretty good. They've got some defensive guys. They played Kansas City very competitively. That's a divisional matchup.

I don't know. I don't think they're that. I think they're a quarterback, a running back, and another receiver. away from being a pain in the butt. I think there are already a pain in the butt a little bit, but, I mean, we're talking about a quantum leap

surpassing the Chargers and the Chiefs. Remember, Chiefs in the regular season don't blow people out. Chargers didn't blow people out. They were low... Yeah, but Chargers are going to be good. They're going to load up this off. They're both low-wadage offenses. And the Broncos are still, to some degree, in a rebuild.

So who's finished, your guess, since you are willing to put the Patriots in the playoffs, who's finishing in the basement in this division? I think they, remember what I said this year about the Vikings? I said the Vikings or the Bears, but mostly the Vikings, if they finished fourth, will be the best fourth place team ever. Okay. I could see the Raiders winning eight games, but having beaten Denver, Kansas City, and the Chargers each once. And it would be a high, if they had a better quarterback this year, I mean, they were in a lot of games and were bad at quarterback.

There, I don't see, eight wins, Colin? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when I said last year, Denver would win nine. You know what? You scoff, you mocked me. Now you look at me as your mentor. Stay clear of my predictions. You can tell who's excited about a three-day weekend.

All right, let's go to the final story. And the Super Bowl trophy is famously named after Packers legend Vince Lombardi, who led the team to wins in the first two NFL Super Bowls. heading into Super Bowl 59 on Fox. Belichick, Bill Belichick, that is, believes the trophy should be renamed after the goat. Tom Brady. Players win games.

You can't win games without good players. I don't care who the coach is. It's impossible. You can't win without good players. That's what Coach Barsall's taught me is. There's always a way to win. You just got to figure out what it is, and you have to give the players a chance.

They don't name it the Star Trophy. It's named the Lombardi Trophy. Maybe they should name it the Brady Trophy. He won seven of them. You know what? That's my favorite Parcells line ever. You ever watched the Belichick Parcells when they sat down? It's one of my favorite.

It's a 30 for 30. It's just uncomfortable, but they're both obviously legends. My favorite Parcells line ever he's ever used. There's a way to win every game. It's your job as a coach to figure it out. You can win. I mean, the Raiders are a block kicked. Denver's a block kick with Bowen.

next from beating the Chiefs an arrowhead. I think it was an arrowhead. There's a way to win every game. And I think Belichick, if you're going to take anything from Parcells, that is the answer. There's a way to do it. I remember talking to Sean Payton before the season start. And I'm like, man, Harbaugh, Mahalms, rookie quarterback, Sean's like, I feel good about our chances. He goes, I like our team a lot. And I'm thinking, he's just texting me. He doesn't think that.

And they made the playoffs in the AFC. Well, this is an interesting comment from Belichick. I mean, obviously it's a combination of players and coaches. But I'll tell you right now, that Kansas City Chiefs Bill's ending with the cornerback blitz by McDuffie untouched. That's coach. That's all coaching. And listen, Spagnolo is a master.

Colin, you know I coach my kids in youth sports, right? So I couldn't make my son's basketball. We're undefeated, shocker. I couldn't make the game. I was at my daughter's volleyball tournament. My wife's texting me, we're losing. Yeah. I'm like, what's going on?

They don't have you there. So I start saying, what's the strategy? And my wife's like, they only have five players. I was like, full court press. Tell the coach, full court. We saw full court pressing. What happens? I'm in like an hour away.

We come back. We pull within four. But ultimately we lose. But I'm a believer. Coaching matters, Colin. It is huge and instrumental. I like how you inserted yourself into a story about the Lombard's trolle. I really appreciate that.

I think the audience does too. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. So Greg CoSell, top of next hour, and he's great. And then we're going to have Tom Brady next hour as well. Peter Schrager stopping by.

So this is good news for Chicago. So, you know, today is like I'm playing the greatest hits, because I'm going back to things that I talk about a lot. But I saw this story, and it matters. This is good news for Chicago Bears fans. So Ben Johnson's the new coach, right? And they're talking about what free agent, and this is not a small thing, what free agent he's interested in. And do you know who it is?

Guard Trey Smith from the Chiefs. A guard. Sean McVeigh and the Rams spend money on guards. Eagles, spend money on guards. Mike Tomlin gave away. Kevin Dotson was going to cut him. Guard. McVeigh took him.

he was the highest rated guard in the league his first year in L.A. I think he was rated second highest. Tomlin didn't know how to use him. The secret sauce to these offensive coaches is not just improving quarterback play and adding layers to the playbook and sophistication. Sean Payton goes to Denver. The offensive line is right near the bottom of the league. Two years later, this year, PFF ranked it second.

Tomlin, last seven years, cannot figure out the Steelers O-Line. Belichick, when Dante Scarnackia retired, legendary O-line coach, arguably best ever. Every year, the O-line got worse. Kansas City signed guard Joe Tunney. Remember that from New England? Everybody's like, whoa, that is a lot for a guard.

That dude is the most underrated offensive linemen in the league. They move him out to left tackle, and he's good. McVeigh, Philadelphia, offensive coaches, Kansas City. This is the secret sauce to offensive coaches. And so Ben Johnson is like, you know, really interesting to me is a Trey Smith, a six-round pick. And remember, if you look at Kansas City, they've had flaws during this that they've been rebooting their receiving core. Kelsey's getting old.

Remember the year they got Creed Humphrey in the second round from Oklahoma, and Trey Smith in the sixth round, I think from Tennessee, both stars. Then they add Joe Tuny, or maybe Tune was already there. I think Tune came in later, whatever it was. Those are three of the best. One of them is the hottest free agent on the offensive line. So money invested on the offensive line last year. The highest were the Rams, Chiefs, and Colts, and the lowest were the Seahawks, Bears,

and Bucks. And the Seahawks, Bears, and Bucks all had defensive coaches. Rams, chiefs, and Colts all had offensive coaches. Do you think that's a coincidence? I do not. So I'm just here to tell you when Ben Johnson says our number one priority

and nobody cares about this, it doesn't make headlines, it's not sexy, he's like, I want to guard from Kansas City. That is a great sign because these defensive coaches and they're good, they don't get it. I've been saying on this for three years, go look at the end of the year

to the highest rated O lines and who spends money on O lines. It's the offensive coaches. Pittsburgh's seven years now. They can't figure it out. They keep drafting it. They can't figure it out. Ben Johnson hasn't coached the game.

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout that. But this one's extra special So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas guys? I honestly don't remember I think it was on a call about what we should call it And we were thinking I'm originally calling it

One of the early names of our band Before Jonas Brothers This is how you guys remember it going down Yes I have a very different memory of this We were talking about a thing A bit for the podcast where people could call in and say hey Jonas And then I wrote down on my little notepad Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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brother Jason admitted and this stems mostly from the calls that's perceived they go Kansas City's way they are the villain in the NFL I love it at one point at one point in time you know it wasn't that and you were the cinder you guys were the darling in the NFL I was the do you feel bad for him guys and you're not the heel I'm I'm just I'm I'm enjoying doing this with the guys together, the guys that we have in there, because it's like it just makes us even more of a family. So let's take a walk down memory lane of all these dynasties,

beginning, middle and end. Let's go to the Patriots dynasty. How did it begin? Oh, the tuck rule, a highly controversial play. They went on to win that game. Hmm. Wasn't the last play of the game, but it helped them win.

Controversial call. How about the greatest team ever in the NBA? The NBA called the Jordan rules. They changed the rules to help Michael, right? No more tackling. The Jordan rules, there's a term for it. How about the Lakers dynasty? Shaq and Kobe?

It's almost as if in that game six. People forget that in game seven, the Kings couldn't hit the broadside of a boat, but in game six, those Lakers got some dubious calls, favorable calls. That's the own. reason they won the series. They actually played a game seven.

And how about the Derek Jeter and the Yankees? Game 1, ALCS, Baltimore. Remember that? Jeffrey Mayer. The league wants them to win. Here's the funny thing. All these sports, all these great players.

Like the leagues, all of them, are in cahoots. You know, the truth is your team gets breaks too. But after you get the tuck rule, you miss the kick or have to punt because you don't have Tom Brady. Or after you get that favorable call like Sacramento didn't in game six, Sacramento was awful in game seven and the Lakers weren't. Your batter strikes out even after the umpire. You know it's rig gives your team that man at second base.

He was out on the tag. but the Yankees had somebody who drove him home and Brady got a first down and the kicker made the kick and a snowstorm and the Lakers were the better team in game seven. Everybody in life gets breaks. Smarter people, focus people, ascending people, more driven people, more aspirational people, more prepared people, take advantage of the brakes.

Do you really believe in Buffalo? That spot with 13 minutes left, decided the game. Did you watch the first series where Josh Allen almost threw two picks, punted, gave it to Kansas City, marched down the field, and scored. At home, taking a 7-0 lead in a playoff game when you're also getting the second half kickoff means you'll win it 65% of the time. But go ahead, blame the refs. There were 13 minutes left in that game. Go to Jeter's Yankees.

The Jordan Rules. The Sacramento Laker Game 6. The tuck rule. Your team gets the same breaks. They can't cap it off. Right? Like, even our parents, if they pass away and they have a will, they give executor of the will to the one kid they trust, the one adult.

Doesn't mean they love them more, but they trust them more. They're more organized, less frivolous, more focused. And that's the reality of all these dynasties. Yes, they have been given breaks on calls. I remember when Brady beat Kansas City in Arrowhead. There was a call in that game, D-4D. Remember that? I think he was off sides by a centimeter.

They got the call. But what did they do with the advantage of the call? Everybody's getting breaks in life. Everybody's getting calls. The dynasties have better players, better coaches, better manage, more focus, more aspirational. They do something with the break. 13 minutes to go, you're blaming a spot. Did you watch your last drive?

did you watch Kansas City when they had to get a first down to kill the clock or expand the clock and end the game and they had the special play to Samage AP Ryan? How come you didn't have that play? How come you didn't have that kind of play? Because Kansas City did. So I hear this all the time, Greg Kosell top of the hour. There's always an excuse for it. I heard it with the Yankees, the Patriots, the Chiefs, Shaq and Kobe.

People always forget that Sacramento series. They forget there was another game. Apparently people just didn't pay attention to the. Or in Buffalo, Kansas City. There's 13 minutes left. Each team's getting the ball at least once, probably twice. There's 13 minutes left after the call. Make something of it.

You forget, if you really, I owe it, this is my rule. Whenever fans in the NBA blame the refs for losing the game, I always ask the same question. How many turnovers did you have and how many free throws did you miss? And if it adds up to 20, I'm like, you gave the ball away 20 times, and you missed, and you had free throws. 20 times, 20 potential. So think about in the NBA with a three-point shot.

A turnover could be a minus three. If you have 10 turnovers, that could be 30 points potentially. Right? Like if you're hitting threes, if you're hot, it wouldn't be because nobody'd go 10 for 10. But like a turnover in the NBA is potentially giving up three points. So that's why I don't watch games with fans. The officials are out to get us. Now, they're not really.

They're not really. Kansas City is just better in these big moments. and Philadelphia's got a better roster. By the way, I was looking at dynasties this morning. I went back the last 30 years, J-Mack. Just guess the number. Don't put it on the screen. Just pros, not college sports.

Last 30 years. How many dynasties have we had baseball, football, professional basketball? And can you define dynasty one more time for me? You know it when you hear it. That's like the Supreme Court said about a dynasties. adult content. You know it when you see it. I'll go four. Almost double that.

Eight? Well, now let me hear them because there may be to dispute over what a dynasty is. I'll do it top of the hour. Okay. It's interesting. Your initial thought is there haven't been that many. And my take on dynasties is we're having more and more. I'm not even counting college. Tennessee, women's, Yukon, women's. I'm not counting Alabama football. I'm not even counting Georgia football. I'm not even counting that.

I'm not counting Serena Williams. Feders. Team sports, right? Tiger. I'm not counting that. In virtually every sport not name hockey. Okay. Now, they had the Montreal Canadians back in the late 60s, I think 70s.

Every sport's filled with dynasties. Because people aren't even. This idea, the leagues are trying. It's like sports is largely outside of baseball, socialism. They want socialism. That's right. Baseball is not. And you have a huge gap.

Right? And like Pittsburgh can't compete with a dime. Dodgers. We know that. They could be more competitive. Well, it could if their owner spent. Well, Dodgers are going to drive more game day revenue. Yeah, yes, sir. We all know that. So take baseball out, but the leagues are trying to even this stuff out. It doesn't matter if it's women's tennis. It doesn't matter if it's college football, women's college basketball. There's dynasties and everything because people

aren't even. You cannot legislate even. You can legislate fair. You can have rules that are fair. You can't legislate even. Everything's a dynasty. Look at tech. There's five companies in the world that run. and everything. You know, meta, Navidia, you know, Google. There's like five companies that run basically the Dow Jones. I mean, if you look at our country, five companies

the last decade have basically run it. Our stock market, it's five to six companies. There is no parity. I do, can I quibble with a word? You said the Chicago Bulls are the best dynasty in NBA history. I'm sorry, it's the Warriors with KD and Steph.

Most dominant postseason run ever. They wipe the floor with everybody, nearly went 16 and 0, if not for a historic cab. It was the best skinny jeans team of all time. Oh, you're Charles Barkley over there in disguise? You take Draymond Green out. It was a finesse team. Hey guys, it's us.

The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're, sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano.

It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was part of you. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis coming to, he's like, you know I love you, dog.

You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva. And on my new podcast, How Hard Can It Be? I call on my Gen X squad from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate Midlife's most fantastic BS. Unfiltered conversations from night sweats to futas to scheduling sacks.

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