The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Chiefs are the new villain

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

JMac filling in for Colin talks about why a lot of people don't like the Chiefs, his thoughts on Luka Doncic and his press conference   Guest: Albert Breer See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Spoke to the big guy last night. He was feeling all right. He's feeling better, but probably not good enough to go today. So they went back to the bullpen. Manager came and tapped me on the shoulder. Hey, Jay Mack, it's time for the show. We need you. So I'm ready to rock and roll, people.

We had a productive morning meeting. I'll pull back the curtain a little bit. I am flying totally solo today as another member of the staff went home sick. We're all battling it, folks. But this is what we do, you know, long season, and we're here to play. We've got some great topics. Excellent guests. I'm going to kind of blow your mind with an NBA take in like seven minutes,

but we've got to start, obviously, with the NFL. The Super Bowl week is fully upon us. Media Day, or media night, sorry, was last night in New Orleans. You had a lot of people saying interesting stuff. You guys know how that Super Bowl media night works. It's a big scene. I saw Pete Schrager walking around with the microphone. I saw James Winston working for Fox doing some stuff with our digital side.

It was all fun. And I did see one interesting thing from Pat Mahomes that we're going to start the show with. And I want to just talk quickly at large dynasties. Okay. Yes, I detested, could not stand the Patriots dynasty. You guys know that. I'm a Jets fan. but it wasn't just me that didn't like the Patriots.

They were disliked around the league. Fans everywhere. Nobody liked them. Come on. How could you like a franchise that had an ornery coach, you know, Bill Belichick? Initially, people liked him, right? He got runoff in Cleveland.

He did make the playoffs there, but then he got run off. And it was like, oh, Belichick. Oh, that's a great story. Bill Belichick's back. And initially, people liked the Patriots. Tom Brady, a sixth round pick, coming in for the number one pick that Drew Bledsoe in his massive contract

and Brady's a great underdog story. People love the Patriots initially. Then they got dominant. The dynasty started rolling and everybody was out on the Patriots. I can't stand them. And then you toss in SpyGate, which was a real thing, guys.

You can look it up. You can deny, oh, there's no big deal. Look it up. The facts are not great in SpyGate. Then you had deflategate, which was probably a little overblown. But at that point, people were so sick of the Patriots that they had become villains.

Everybody nationwide rooted against a Patriots. It was Boston against the world, you know, and they kept the dynasty rolling. So enter the Kansas City Chiefs. And last night, Patrick Mahomes was asked, hey, man, you guys kind of are the villains now. And I'll get to that in a second. But here's what Mahomes said addressing the villains label to the Chiefs. I don't even think it's embracing me in the villains. We embrace who we are.

And we believe we play the game the right way. We believe that we play with a lot of heart and a lot of passion for the game. And then we win football games. And if winning football games makes you a villain, we're going out there and doing it. Now listen, I have been vocal against the chiefs on this show.

I'm not a huge fan of this dynasty. However, I need to be honest with you guys. I'm going to keep it real. They are a likable team. Andy Reid. Who's more likable than Andy Reid? I mean, he looks like your neighbor. You're going on vacation.

You go, hey, Andy, how you doing, buddy? He's got this jolly look, the big mustache. Hey, I'm going on vacation. Do you think you could, like, take out my trash cans and then bring them back in? Oh, yeah, no problem, Jay, I got that. That's how Andy, those are the vibes he gives off, right? You've seen the memes of like the Kool-Aid man and Andy Reed. He looks like Santa Claus. Who doesn't like Andy Reid? Bill Belichick was this crumudgeon. He was angry at the podium, just unfriendly, not chatty, but wore that ratty hoodie with the holes in it, joked about social. media without trying to be funny.

Never cracked a smile like Andy Reid much more likable than Belichick. Now, Tom Brady, obviously very likable, you know, cool guy, ladies loved him, you wanted to be friends with him. Same thing with Patrick Mahomes. And listen, I don't follow a ton of athletes on Instagram, but I follow Mahomes. He's a likable dude. He's got a wife. He's got kids.

He seems like a normal guy, right? They're actually likable. So why are they villains? And again, I... I'm not calling them villains. I just don't really like their dominance. I'm ready for new teams. But if you watch how they play,

they're a fun, good football team, right? They've got less fun since they lost Tyreek Hill and they're a little less explosive. Teams started going to the two high safeties to take away the big plays, and then it's death by seven-yard Patrick Mahomes scrambles or Isaac Pacheco carries. The reason I'm out on them, and again,

okay, this is maybe just me, is this whole referee thing. They get, and again, I'm not saying it's rigged. They do get a lot of calls. Every pivotal play involving a Chiefs game, guys, no lie, you're watching, the play ends and you're looking around,

where's the flag? Is there a flag? Oh, no flag. Wow. It just feels like on every pivotal third or fourth down play, somehow it goes the Chief's way. And I know everybody wants to say, hey, they're buttoned up.

Guys, every good team is buttoned up. Okay? They've had coaching changes like the rest of the league at offensive coordinator. They've had guys shuffling on the offensive line. the defense, they've had a lot of changes. And this whole villain label is interesting because I'm going to be honest with you. If the Eagles pull this off, as I think they will, are the Chiefs still villains?

Or are they only villains that they win? I just think it's good food for thought. And I thought that was fascinating from Patrick Mahomes last night. All right, now I want to pivot to the NBA. And this story I'm kind of sort of obsessed with. So not to give you too much of a peek behind the curtain, but our morning meeting, you know, they got all these stories that are percolating. throw out an idea, people will bat around topics. Sometimes they agree, sometimes they don't.

This one, oh man, I love this story. Okay. So we all know that the player empowerment era in the NBA has been going strong for 15-ish years. Quick history note, it didn't totally start with LeBron, although it kind of did. So LeBron, if you go back to, I believe it's 2006, beats up, or maybe 2007, beats the Detroit Pistons in that heroic series where he just goes nuclear, take takes them down, gets the young Cavs to the finals. He basically, if you look at that Cavs roster, he dragged like the equivalent of my men's basketball

team to the finals. They get swept by the Spurs, but it was LeBron against the world. And Danny Ainge in Boston saw that and very quickly realized, ain't nobody's stopping LeBron. He's too good. This guy's about to take over the league. So the Celtics went out and got their own super team.

They built the first super team. Let's bring on Kevin Garnett. We got already got Pierce. Let's bring on Ray Allen. and they had the super team, they took down LeBron. So a couple years later, LeBron's like, shucks, Cabs can't build me a super team. I'm going to create my own super team. And he did that in Miami, ushering in the player empowerment era. And for about the last 15 years, NBA players around the league,

hey, you know what? I kind of want to play with that superstar. Come on over. And a owner, I want the max deal. And then five minutes later, I want out of here. The players controlled the league. They ran everything. It was all players teaming up.

Players calling the shots. The owners were kind of beholden to the superstars. It's a superstar league. A funny thing happened over the weekend. Okay? Luca Donchich got traded. And the reaction was universally, who the hell trades Luca Donchich?

It can't just be because the GM and Michael Finley as assistant GM thought that Luca was like, you know, fat. and out of shape and didn't want to grind. You got to run that by the owner, right? You can't just trade Luca Donchich. And it really shook up the league. And 24 hours later, guess what?

Deerrin Fox, he got shipped to San Antonio, Zach Levine, who apparently wasn't going to get traded anywhere. He goes to Sacramento. Owners, it's almost like they've had it. They've had it with the player empowerment era. And I'm sure you guys have seen that movie Captain Phillips, right? It has Tom Hanks, as he's like, you know, the captain of a cargo liner. It gets overtaken by Somali pirates.

And at one point in the movie, and you could go watch this on YouTube, you know, they're like, who's the captain? And Tom Hanks is like, I'm the captain. This is my ship. And this guy goes, no, no, no, look me in my eyes. I'm the captain now. I'm the captain. It feels like the owners are looking their star players in the eye and saying, no more player empowerment. I'm running the show.

This is my show. I'm the billionaire now. And if Luca Donchish can get traded, shucks, anybody can get traded. Anybody can get traded. I'll get you to the big name who's starting to percolate now in a second. But I bring up this player empowerment stuff

because one of the guys in the morning meetings said something I just totally forgot about. So last year, the Timberwolves go to the conference finals. And I get all these guys on social media saying, Jason, stop with the Carl Anthony Townsden, New York. It's not happening. I've been saying this for like three years.

We knew he wanted to go to New York. And this guy made like a friendly bet with me on social media. I bet you he doesn't get traded. Now they went to the conference finals. And I was like, I'll just stick with my prediction, even though they went to the conference finals. Folks, did we forget? Minnesota was in the conference finals

and just traded away their second best player. Now, why is that? Well, you could say they're not a great fit, but they went to the conference finals. It's because the owner didn't want to pay that luxury tax. that they were going to be in for because Carl Anthony Towns's salary and Gobert and Anthony Edwards. It's like, holy cow, they traded away Carl Anthony Towns. And that was kind of glossed over at the time.

But Dallas, the real reason that's coming out that they didn't want to pay Luca Donchis, they traded him. They didn't want to pay him $345 million because it's tough to build around one guy making that much money. As a side note, NFL owners, take note. Quarterbacks, they're headed in this direction. You know what's happening. saw it with Dak Prescott, he got paid. How'd the Mavericks do? Sorry, had the Cowboys, the Cancun Cowboys, as I'm told they're called now. How did they do? So just file that away,

NFL. What's happening in the NBA is these owners are like, these salaries are out of control. We're not winning, paying all these guys all the money. Let's go trade Luca Donchich. And I'll wrap up with this, because this is the other name that emerged here in the last 24 hours. And that's Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant was in Brooklyn, said, get me the hell out of here. I'd like to go to Phoenix. Okay, yes, Kevin, we got you. We'll let you go to Phoenix. And Kevin Durant is now sitting in Phoenix.

Everybody's waiting for Bradley Beal to get traded, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. And as a result, Phoenix sitting 10th in the West, they could miss the playoffs, miss the play in. And all of a sudden we're starting to hear, oh, everybody's calling about Kevin Durant. And you have to, if you're the young owner in Phoenix, how do we get better?

We might have to trade Kevin Durant. We might have to get off our second best player because you know what? We can't miss the playoffs and pay a massive luxury tax bill because of the salaries. And folks, unbelievably, Dwayne Wade kind of sort of addressed this this week on the Why podcast.

Here's his take on why Luca was traded. This was billionaire business. Yes. This was at the top. This was the last two of 15 years, the players have decided, right? What we want to do? This was the owners, the governors, the billionaires

deciding what they want to do. So you got the top international player in LA. So the viewership, the ticket sales, everybody, Europe, Spain, they all coming into LA. We know how this. So I'm looking at the business and I'm like, hold up. This was an amazing business decision by billionaires. Yes, sure.

To say, this is what I went for now and this is what we need as a league. You guys remember when Otani went to the Dodgers? They paid all of the money. It was like, oh my God, how can they afford this? Kind of worked out well, didn't it? They won the World Series. Merch sales through the roof, ticket sales, spiking. They're printing money now at the Dodgers by spending money.

And I wonder, did the Lakers make this move? Hey, we are set up for the future, but we just got Luca, an international superstar that's going to open a gateway to Europe for us financially. I mean, I don't know if you guys saw the reports. The Dallas Maverick social media accounts were just hemorrhaging followers. Tens of thousands. I saw a report hundreds of thousands of followers. I don't know if it's official.

They lost a lot of followers because they're out on – they traded Luca. And Dwayne Wade is totally on to something here. This was a great business move. And coming up next year on the herd, I will tell you the next big NBA star on the move. I don't think you're going to know. Kevin Durant's in the mix. But there are a couple others. Keep an eye out.

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look like a big time party down in New Orleans. All right, let's quickly go back to the NBA. Anthony Edwards is a young ascending star. I know this is probably the first time in the show's history. We've actually mentioned the Timberwolves twice in the first hour. But Anthony Edwards, I thought he would be taken over the league. There's a new book coming out on him shortly. Anthony Edwards took the Timberwolves to the conference finals last year.

It appeared to be one of these like face of the league guys. a very likable individual, dunking machine, scorer, everything about Anthony Edwards is awesome. But a weird thing starting to happen. Again, this Luca Donchish trade really shook everybody up. And this idea that nobody's safe and owners have the power and they can move off anybody, well, Anthony Edwards saw what happened with Luca Donchich

and he talked to the media about it last night. They say that nobody knew about the trade. Yeah, so that's crazy. At 25, they trade. probably the best score in the NBA at 25. He didn't know about it. So it's a lot more digging somebody got to do to find out why he got to trade it. Because you don't just trade him at 25.

He just went to the finals, you know what I'm saying? Everybody. You at 23. Everybody getting informed. Yeah. I'm scared. I'm scared. Tim, hey, if you're going to trade me, let me know, dog. When Luca got traded, anybody is able to get traded at that point.

I'm scared. I like that. And that's, it felt authentic from Anthony Edwards. Like, I'm sure he's joking. Ha, ha, ha. You know, one of those deals are you looking over your shoulder a little bit?

Listen, if you could trade Luca Donchich, why wouldn't you trade Anthony Edwards? Now, obviously, Anthony Edwards is a foundational piece in Minnesota. I would say there's 0.0% chance of him getting moved. But post-Luca, maybe you've got to add like a 0.001 chance. Which brings me, by the way, Luca's meeting with the media, I think, like right now, Now out here in L.A., they're doing the press conference.

We'll have sound as soon as the good stuff comes out. But it got me thinking, like, who else could be moved this week? What else is happening around the league? And I touched on Kevin Durant earlier. We got like 48 hours left, folks. Kevin Durant would not surprise me at all if he got shipped. The interesting team is the Golden State Warriors. And I know some people are like, come on, they're not going to do that again.

Listen, the Warriors needed Kevin Durant when they got him in 2016. I don't care. I hear so many just goofballs. Oh, they didn't need him. They won 73 games. Hello. They lost in the finals to LeBron and Kyrie. They lost after being up 3-1.

They lost the series. They needed Kevin Durant. And it's not like Kevin Durant came on to the Warriors and was like, you know, riding shotgun. He was the MVP of the finals two years in a row. He was the best player on the best team for my money in NBA history. Of course the Warriors needed him. Well, you know who else needs him right now?

the Golden State worries. I'm looking at the standings. Oh, look at that. Golden State is 11th in the West. Steph Curry 36 turns 37 later this year. Come on, guys. Are we really going to waste the final prime years of Steph Curry? We saw what he did in August at the Olympics. For my money, that was the greatest sports moment in 2024. Like Steph Curry putting everybody to sleep with an unbelievable finish

at the Olympic spectacular. And now he's going to miss the freaking playoffs? What? They're 11th in the West. Jimmy Butler said he doesn't want to go there because he's not going to sign long term. Which brings me to Kevin Durant. Why wouldn't the Warriors say,

hey, how do we get Kevin Durant? I was reading, you guys know Brian Winhorst covers the league, probably one of the best plugged-in reporters out there. He used to joke, if you have a three-team trade idea, you have a no-team trade idea because it's so difficult to make him work. And now he's reversed course and said,

geez, with all these new salaries, I mean, the Utah Jazz got in on that Luca Donchus trade. They didn't even know about it until 30 minutes before. Hey, Jazz, by the way, you guys are taking this in the deal. You don't have to do anything. You just take this. Okay. We'll take more picks, sure.

And it's like, why couldn't you figure out a way if your Golden State to pry Kevin Durant away? And now the question becomes, when Kevin Durant won a golden state, does he have a choice? Hey, KD, you're with the Sons. They are currently 10th in the West. You're going to the Warriors who are 11th in the West.

Why not? I mean, if you're the owner of the Phoenix Sons, and you've got to make the playoffs and you've got to do something, you can't stand, Pat. Nobody takes Brad Beale. Why wouldn't you move off KD and get Jimmy Butler, who's a tougher defender,

more of a leader, no disrespect, KD, you know I'm a fan. I don't need KD coming after me. Yes, I'll tag him when I post this video that West clips off, but don't come after me, KD. I still think you can help the Warriors. I don't think y'all are winning a title. I don't know that you'd want to go back and play with Draymond Green, who was kind of a jerk to you many moons ago and, you know, sucker punched Jordan Poole.

And I don't know that you want to go there. But do the Warriors have anything that the heat would want? Cuminga, pods. It becomes very difficult. But if I'm a Warriors, I'm working the phones. And I'm going to toss this other name, two other names. there. So number one, and you just heard Anthony Edwards say, nobody's safe. I'm just going to mention him, Janus, and Milwaukee. The Bucks currently are fifth in the east.

The Damian Lillard thing, we've given it a while. I don't know that it's working. I just don't, I don't know what the future holds for Dame in Milwaukee. Ain't nobody taking on Dame's contract. That's just not happening. It's like not quite Bradley B. old bad, but, you know, Dame's a better player now than Beal. But it becomes a little onerous. And if you're the ownership group and you're looking around like, geez, we don't have a path to success. Middleton keeps getting injured.

Do we just, hey, we got a title with Janus. Do we just start over? And I know it sounds stupid. But look what the Mavericks just did with Luca. Now, Janus, obviously, less of an issue fitness-wise, allegedly, I'm not calling Luca Fad or anything, but it's become clear the Mavericks shipped him for two reasons. and out of shape and reluctance to work is one of them.

There's none of that with Janus, but you have to wonder, do the bucks consider shucks? Maybe we move on from Janus and start over. And it's too late to get in the Cooper flag sweepstakes, but it's like, I don't know. And again, I know you guys are listening. Like, come on, they're not trading Janus. Look around the league.

Towns went to the conference finals. They shipped him. Luca went to the finals, trade it. Like, things are happening. The other name I'll put out there. and his name has been out in the past, including for the Lakers, although that's not happening now, is Trey Young. Trey Young, a guy who hit this league like something of a comet.

Remember, he was taking the Hawks to the playoffs, took down the Knicks and MSG, took down Embed and the Sixers. Do you guys remember that? Okay? That was yes, I know that Ben Simmons passed, whatever. M. B was on the court. At seven turnovers game seven. I don't want to hear it.

And now the Hawks, by the way, are ninth in the east. They lost their budding star. Jalen Johnson for the season. And if you look at that roster, they're playing dudes that and you guys know I'm a big college basketball nerd. I don't know some of these guys on their roster. And it's like, they might miss the playoffs. What's the point?

And again, you know, I don't know what the market is for a small point guard like Trey Young who really, I know he's leading the league in assists and Berkeley and Shaq love him now. Weird. The Hawks stink and they love Trey Young. Does Trey Young have a market? I don't know. I think the Hawks have to ask themselves, what are we doing with Trey Young?

We're not a playoff team anymore. We're maybe a play-in team. He's not our foundational piece. Jalen Johnson is. Do we reconfigure around a guy and just shoot for the moon next year? And we move on from Trey Young. I would keep an eye on Trey Young. I would keep an eye on Janus.

And to go back to Jimmy Butler real quick, we have some sound from Kevin Garnett. People are fired up about this Butler thing because I do believe it is kind of the end of the player empowerment. era and Jimmy Butler's kind of, you know, thinking he's still got power and he's got no juice. And it's like failing miserably. The heat keeps suspending him. Here's Kevin Garnett on the Jimmy Butler situation. When you step out of being professional and then you step out of not, you know, to your oath

and holding up your end in the bargain or you open up for all this right here. Bro, this is how non-guarantees are going to come into our league right here for shit like this. We fought our ass off through five and six lockouts to get to a point where there's no, where we protect the integrity of the talent. And then that talent has a responsibility to be professional coming here and do your job. We came in, we did our jobs, you got paid, and you went home. You go home. As soon as you get an opportunity to change that, you change it. Hmm.

Kevin Garnett, very fired up about that. And listen, I have been a huge Jimmy Butler fan essentially for the last like 10 years. His story is incredible, you know, had a rough family upbringing, no real offers out of high school, had to go the Juko route, ends up at Marquette. I think to sign with Marquette, he had to go to like a McDonald's to fax his letter of intent. Like it was that kind of situation for Butler.

It basically does nothing and then kind of pops, you know, falls in the draft a little bit, and just works his way up from benchwarmer in Chicago to legitimate All-Star, ends up like just the gritty nature of Jimmy Butler carrying the heat to the finals twice. I know they didn't win a chip, but it's like, come on, man,

Jimmy Butler's a warrior. I love his style of play. He doesn't take crap from anyone. You know, he's one of these, he's like a legit dog. Like, if you've got him on your team, you're going to have a chance because he's Jimmy Butler. You know, there are legendary stories about him in Minnesota

when he ran into issues with the front office and he would come into practice and say, I don't want to run with the starters. I'm going to take these four bench warmers and we're going to beat their ass. And he would then go into practice and they would win the scrimmage. Like, these stories are out there. Jimmy Butler is an absolute dog and you'd think everyone would want him. But he's kind of killed his value with these actions in Miami.

He thought he had the power, but the players kind of sort of have lost it. All right. Coming up next year on the herd, Luca introduced in L.A. Wait for what you hear about is departure from Dallas. Oh boy. And Albert Breer live from New Orleans. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Kavino.

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Oh boy. Oh, wait to you hear this. So Luca is very measured. He actually looks slim. I was expecting him to wear black to look skinnier, you know, like because of all the jokes. But Luca just met with the media and,

oh boy, here's a veiled shot at the Mabbs front office from Luca Donchich. I'm just excited, you know, to be here to start this new journey, journey. And obviously, at some point I knew this was going to happen, but I would say I always take the high road. You know, I had my amazing moments in Dallas with all my teammates, coaches, and the most importantly, the fans, you know, always supported me. And it was an amazing journey.

Players, coaches, fans. I knew this was going to. happen. Oh, gosh, that's delicious. So I found, you know, people put stuff online and this came from an article that the Mavericks have, in August of 23, fired their player of health and performance coaching, and then they fired two other strength coaches and a therapist. And the common thread was all those guys were friendly with Luca. I know this sounds losery to say as a guy, but some guys are just cool guys that everybody likes. You know, and I know people are laughing in the control room. Luca just seems like a cool guy. He's friendly. He's funny. I don't know if you guys

have seen some of the clips that the Mabs used to put out of him playing like horse or one-on-one. Like everybody likes Luca Donchich. Why didn't the front office like him? That was the issue. They fired the people that liked Luca, right? Get them out of the building. Hey, let's get some people who Luca's not tight with. And it's like, it's just very ugly in Dallas. And him knowing this was going to happen and saying that, oh, that is not good. I think the clock is, if it wasn't already, the clock is ticking on Nico Harrison in Dallas. Hey, by the way, if they missed the playoffs, is he their GM next year? Luca also talked about playing with LeBron.

He's a little excited. It's just like a dream comes true, you know. I always look up to him. There's so many things I can learn from him. And I'm just excited, you know, just to learn everything. And now I get to play with him. so it's an amazing feeling. Yeah, very excited.

All right, let's get to Albert Breer live from New Orleans, the Monday morning quarterback.com. Breer, what is up? You look like you're, where are you tucked in some, some, like? I'm at the, no, I'm at the Chiefs Hotel. I'm like outside their access. And I'm sure, like Dave and the guys in the studio

probably aren't happy about this, like, light that's coming down on me and washing me out a little bit. But I trust you can help me fight through it, JMAX. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. So Chiefs, what's the vibe around the team? You're in the hotel. Have you seen Taylor Swift? That's got to be the first question, right? Yeah, I don't think, I don't think Taylor Swift's staying at the Marriott.

I might be wrong about that, but I don't think she's staying at the Marriott. No, man, like it's like this is a confident group, you know, and they've been here obviously five times and six years. Now that's unprecedented. You know, you can kind of feel with them where they really know this is a business trip. They know what to expect. and they know the ends and outs of the week and kind of the way everything goes. And so, you know, I think that's their advantage is that they'll be able to take the stage without having to deal with a lot of the unknown that another team might, you know,

whether it's the length of warm-ups, the length of the introductions, a lot of the standing around, you know, during game day, the halftime show. They know, you know, how to prepare for every single piece of that, which, you know, I know they hope allows them to hit the ground running on Sunday. Yeah, what do you make of this of villains comment from Patrick Mahomes? You know, we don't mind being the villains. We'll embrace it. It's weird, Albert, like, I don't know that people hate them.

I think I think people hate their winning, but people like don't dislike Andy Reid or Patrick Mahomes, you know? Yeah, I don't think that there's a hatred towards the individual people, but I do think there's a little bit of that villain thing with the way people complain about the officiating, the way I think people have grown a little tired of them. You know, obviously all the conversation on Taylor Swift, which and the reality is like, if you count up all the seconds that she's actually on TV during NFL games, is it more than like the owner is of the team? I mean, I probably not.

And I think a lot more people would like to see Taylor Swift than some old rich guy up in the box, you know? So, yeah, I think there's a lot of like those sorts of elements that have existed with every dynasty, you know, the Patriots dealt with it. you're sitting there in Los Angeles. There are a lot of people who probably aren't happy about Luca finding up there and think there's some sort of conspiracy at foot. You know, it's just with teams like this that reach this sort of plateau,

you have that element of it. And I actually think it's good that you embrace the villain role. You know, it's really, they're really right about the same point in their assent, their dynasty as the Patriots were when they took on the villain role. And I think really things really turn for the Patriots with SpyGate, you know, and 2007 was when they went from sort of being just a really good team that was respected into this like kind of dark operation, you know, and I don't know the chiefs lover get that level of villain status, but it definitely exists to some degree. And I, I think it's a smart

move for them all to embrace it because, you know, as long as Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reeder there now, I think that'll sort of be the way that they're looked at. Here's one. under more pressure in this Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes or Jalen Hertz, and is there a case to be made for Mahomes because of the pressure of the three Pete, which they've been talking about for basically a calendar year now, whereas Jalen Hertz is like,

I throw the ball 18 times a game. This is no big deal. I'm carrying my briefcase. This is a business trip. Is there more pressure on Mahomes here? I don't think so. I mean, I think Mahomes, I mean, to me, I look at where the chiefs are

and it's sort of you're playing with House money. You know what I mean? Like I, and I know they don't have, it that way. And I know there's history on the line and everything else. But, you know, I, I think Mahomes has played so well in so many of these settings that if he were to, you know, throw an interception at the end of the game, it's not going to really affect his legacy where if you come into this and your jail and hurts, you've had, there's going to be your second opportunity to get there. I don't think, you know, most people would view you in that top echelonical quarterbacks

where Mahomes is at the top. Right underneath him, you have Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. you know, and so I think it's sort of for for for hurts, this is an opportunity to kind of elevate your legacy, elevate the way that you're looked at, elevate the way your team has looked at. There's a lot on the line, whereas I think with the chiefs, there's probably a chance to really burnish your legacy

with the three Pete, but I think the way that history is going to look at you is sort of already set in stone. Not to get two X's and O's, but I don't know if it was Hasselbeck or Sanchez yesterday who had a good point. point, you know, left tackle had been an issue for the Chiefs, so they moved Tune out. He's been great. But for the Eagles, you need

interior blocking. It's paramount against, you know, they're two big horses, Davis and Carter inside. Do you think the Chiefs play a little musical chairs and kick Tune back inside? Yeah, Jay Mack, I'm glad you brought that up because I think that's one of the more underrated pieces of this game and decisions to be made in this game by Andy Reed and Matt Nagy and, you know, all the guys who work with the offensive line. That left tackle spot was a revolving door for much of the year.

And it was a real problem. It's credited to Joe Tunney, who's been one of the NFL's ultimate Ironman. He's going for his fifth ring here. He won two with Brady's one, two with Mahomes. For him to be able to do that and sort of stop the revolving door and stabilize, it's been amazing. But you're right to look at it like that. The Eagles have good edge guys, but they don't have a great edge guy.

And they've got Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter inside. And Jalen Carter during the playoffs has been a true game. record. Like you could argue he really won that game at the end in the divisional round against the Rams and the snow. And so, you know, if you take Tuny and leave him at left tackle, then left guard becomes a hole and they've got the opportunity to match Jalen Carter up and create a mismatch there. And then you've got to handle that. So what do you feel more comfortable with? Do you feel more comfortable with Juan Ye Morris or DJ Humphreys who's been banged up, but has a lot of experience at left tackle,

handling the edge guys, which you might still be at a disadvantage there, but a little less so. Or do you feel like you need to put tuning out of left tackle? Because that's the mix that's worked and then just help with the guards on the on the, on the, on the,

on the, on the defensive tackles. I think it's a it's a pivotal, I think it's a pivotal decision for the chief's coaches to make going into this, this game. And it'll be interesting to see what they do. And maybe it's a mix of both, you know, maybe it's a feel thing where they rotate a little bit in the first quarter and then go with what's working. Yeah, I like Nolan Smith on the outside against Morris all day for the Eagles.

But let me quickly go. So we saw the Buffalo Bill struggle with the Tush push badly against the Chiefs. I'm just curious, do you think that was more about what the Chiefs were doing or the bills are just not very good at it? And it probably won't apply to the Eagles who are great at it. No, I think it does apply to the Eagles to some degree where I think Steve Spagnolo, his defense is so versatile and he's able to do so many different things with the group of guys that he has. He said to me last year during the playoffs that this is the smartest group I've ever had.

So this was during last year's playoffs. And then as I talked to him this year, he's like, and this group is even smarter than that one. You know, his point's been like his point, the point he's made to me a few times is like that, you know, he's always had smart guys. His defense requires having smart guys. But there will always be like a few guys out there that are kind of iffy. The difference with these two groups, he's had the last two years. is that everybody knows what they're doing.

And what that allows for, it allows for you to do different things to mess with the matchups because you can move with guys around and play them in different spots and they're smart enough to learn all the different spots and the different responsibilities, which allows you to play these situations

the way that they were able to play them against Buffalo. Now that said, I think we both know that stopping those short yards plays against the Eagles is a totally different kettle of fish. And so I think there's a little bit of a cascading effect here. It's stopping Saquan Barclan,

first down. And then if you can get them in second and long, that's where you got to stop Jalen Hertz running the ball because generally that's when he runs the ball the most. And that's where he creates those third and shorts, those fourth and shorts to put them in a position to really take advantage of being the best team in short yards there is in football. So I think there's a really cool like element of game within the game there where yes, the chiefs are better at those things than a lot of other teams, but they've got to be capable of staying out of them too. Because if you say you're in four of them, you know, over the course of the game, well, it's easier to say like, let's stop three of those and maybe one gets, gets biased.

Then it's going to be if you've got to face eight or ten of them. Yeah. All right, let's look at the NFL at large. You're as plugged in as anybody talking texting. Cooper Cup, your best guess at some landing spot, some teams perhaps interested in in Cup. And then I'm curious, it's the damage that. does to the Rams and Stafford. That was his boy on the team. They were tight. I wonder if something's afoot with the Rams that maybe we're not aware of yet.

Why are you talking about Stafford maybe moving? Yep. Yeah. So I would say with Cup, like just in a vacuum, you know, things have sort of, I think, turned a little bit over the last year or two. To some degree, like he and Pooka are great players. They're a little redundant to one another and that they're both maybe best inside. neither guy's a burner. And so, you know, when you're building an offense and the way that Sean McVeigh builds his offense, there's a way of doing it where you want to kind of build the basketball team and have all those guys do different things.

And so as great as those two guys are individually, you know, maybe you look at it at the Rams and it's like, is it a luxury to have two of them out there? As for landing spots, I mean, I think, you know, Cooper would be great with a young quarterback, you know, so could he be like a really good number two for one? Washington, right? Like, imagine him with Terry McLaren on the other side where he doesn't have to be the number one and as a security blanket for Jaden Daniels. So maybe Jaden Daniels has to run a little bit less. That's the sort of situation where I think it would be ideal. The same way the Panthers a couple years ago brought in Adam Deelen to try to be like, okay, like we want to

give Bryce Young somebody that he can count on a smart receiver who can do everything. I think CUP can be that guy for a young quarterback. As for staff, but I think this one's really up in the air j smack i mean that contract negotiation was strained last year it took i mean it took the entire off season to get it done um they took all the guaranteed money out of 2025 moved money up to 2024 and created a decision point after this year and so by the middle of march they got a roster bonus due then they're going to have to make a decision on what they want to do with matthew stafford going forward and i know this like if i'm a team like the pittsburgh steelers i'm at least calling right now to see if he's available because i don't think it's

a sure thing that he's back, in part because if he was looking for a market correction last year on his contract, chances are he's going to be looking for the same sort of market correction again this year. And I'm not sure where the Rams appetite is for that when you consider, what is there seven or eight or nine quarterbacks making over $50 million per year right now. All right, real quick, we got a minute left. Miles Garrett. I floated Washington and the Rams as options, just guessing. How about you? Any teams for Miles Garrett? Detroit? Yes, Detroit with Hutchison, anyone else?

I love Detroit. I just like the idea of, look, like they've had so much positive momentum the last couple of years, right? Like, and everything's gone so right for them the last two years. And then they have the shocking loss of the commanders and they lose a half dozen coaches. Both their coordinators are gone. It sort of feels like some of the momentum has gone the other way for them. So they have Aidan Hutchinson coming back off the injury. They're going to pay Aiden Hutchinson.

what better way to kind of make sure that he has some runway and coming back off the injury and the defense has a real strength to build off of, then you get Aiden Hutchinson back from injury. You'll have a lame McNeil coming back from injury. And then, oh, by the way, you've got Miles Garrett out there. The key for me with Miles Garrett is he's got to match up with your timeline. You know what I'm saying? Like so 29 years old.

And you have to be a team that's in a position where you can say, over the next two years or so, we need to be in position to compete for a championship or where we risk. By the time we get there, maybe this guy is starting to go downhill a little bit. Detroit's the perfect team for that. The choice right in the championship window. They've got cap space. Their rosters loaded. There may not be five or six rookies that make their team next year.

So their draft picks are a little bit more expendable. I love the idea of having Aidan Hutchinson and Miles Garrett opposite each other. Maybe it's sort of the same way Denver had Vaughn-Milbert and aging to Marcus Ware on the other side. About a decade ago. Albert Breer Monday winning quarterback. Great stuff. Thank you. Albert, we are back after this.

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