The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Chiefs win again

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Colin discusses the Chiefs getting another win over the Bills in the AFC Championship and how Kansas City shines in the biggest moments while Buffalo seems to shrink Thoughts on the Eagles win over the Commanders in the NFC Championship gameSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here we go on a big Monday. Super Bowl is now set. Live in Los Angeles. It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J-MAC, a lot of America, downtrodden, heads are hanging. The outcome they were hoping would not happen as happened. I got a picture sent to me of Mahomes with three rings, and I can feel America's tension.

Blood pressure going up. I wore Buffalo Blue on Monday. Just to pour some out for the bills, a rough one. Unlucky, as I like to say. Well, I look at the box score after the game, and it was clearly two very even teams. Total yards, rushing penalties, time of possession, fourth down efficiency, first downs. These were two very even teams. with two A plus quarterbacks.

But here is where I continue to see a different, and boy, did I see it yesterday. Kansas City is liberated by pressure. They're more aggressive. They're more free. They're more aggressive. Patrick Mahomes averages four rushes a game in the regular season. Yesterday he had 11.

Mahomes runs more often, runs more often, runs more, aggressively, a season high in carries. Does it make any sense that Kansas City scored over 30 points for the first time all season? Where Sean McDermott, the defensive wizard, is a head coach. In big games, Spags, the defensive coordinator, takes bigger risks. Andy Reed in the big games, has us all guessing even more than usual with his clever play design and play calling. It's like Mahomes is allowed to finally be free. like when our parents every summer for a couple of days would say no curfew tonight.

Just be safe. Your friends are in town. That's what Mahomes plays like. They are liberated by the pressure. It's a blessing. They love it. Take bigger swings and risks. It's almost as if Kansas City is bored

by the tedium of the regular season. And the playoffs is an opportunity to show you the entire playbook because they know they get two weeks off for the next game. And yet Buffalo, to at least some degree once again against the Chiefs, feels a little burdened by the pressure, a little tight. They change who they are. A little like Baltimore doves against Mahomes. I mean, Tony Romo on that first drive,

Josh Allen almost had two interceptions. Romo admitted on the air, that was nerves. In the second half, Buffalo, a high-powered offense ran 16 of the first 17 plays. Would Andy Reid ever do that with Josh Allen? On fourth down, apparently offensive coordinator, Joe Brady only has a single play in his playbook, despite having an excellent star running back in James Cook, having an excellent backup running back in Davis. Joe Brady decided our only play on fourth down is to hand it to our 6-7 quarterback and have him leap into the air, which is always a vulnerable spot for a tall player.

The Chiefs expand in the playoffs. They expand. And the bills feel like to some degree they contract. The Chiefs rise to the moment. And Buffalo, at least situationally, feels like they shrink. Again, the box score has two excellent teams. But on the biggest defensive play, Spaggs had a corner blitz. and on those big fourth down tush pushes where buffalo was two for five

Jim Nance acknowledged that Kansas City had told them in a production meeting yeah he likes to run left one team on the biggest plays was a bit predictable even more than a bit Josh Allen fourth down again James Cook on that final Buffalo drive never touched the ball and if Buffalo I know it's the refs right it's such a tired act I heard that for 20 years on the Patriots dynasty. Yes, the league wanted jammed up in the northeast New England to dominate the league. And now small market, Kansas City, please have them dominate all the games.

Remember, pre-Taylor Swift, they had Super Bowls, right? So if Buffalo doesn't recover all four of their fumbles, I wonder if it's close. They've had the lead in all four games against Kansas City in the playoffs. And yet here's Mahomes, and I noticed this yesterday, it reminded me a Tiger Woods and MJ. He's got that red on in a big Sunday game. And Mahomes, as great as he is, elevates and expands in these games. And Josh Allen and the Bills and Sean McDermott, they just shrink a little. 17 straight, one possession wins.

You think it's the zebras? Sean McDermott's supposed to be a defensive master. mind. Why does Kansas City score over 30 points for the first time all season? They didn't look like that last week against D'Amico Ryan's. They struggled to move the ball last week against Houston. Why? Because to my initial point, in these big games, MJ, Tiger on a Sunday, Mahomes yesterday, they get a show off. There's no curfew. Do what you have to do. There's no tomorrow. They scored their most points. Mahomes had his season high in carries from the first organized and efficient and lethal drive of the game until the last.

They were a better team on the biggest plays. First drive for Buffalo, aimless. Last drives. Dalton Kincaid drops a ball. James Cook never touches it. Why not? Because I know the why. and I know the what, and that's always Kansas City

in these moments being the best version of themselves. And all year long, I said, Buffalo's the best team. But if you shrink 6, 8, 9, 12%, you're not going to Arrowhead and winning. And here's Josh Allen after. It's not fun. About to beat the champ, you got to beat the champ, you got to beat the champ, and we didn't do it tonight.

You can either get it done or you can't, and we didn't get it done. So I will say this, as I was watching Philadelphia beat Washington, my first take was Kansas City matches up pretty well with Philadelphia. Buffalo does not. So heartbreak was going to happen yesterday or Super Bowl. Buffalo, be thankful because you're not stopping this run game. Let's be honest about Washington. What we saw is what we all thought could happen.

Washington ran out of juice. They were missing their best O-line and D-Linmen, and they have elite talent everywhere. I mean, you forget that Devante Smith is on the team for Philadelphia. A Heisman winner at receiver, you're like, they have to engineer plays, jet sweeps to get him the ball. He'd be a number one receiver on a third to a half of the teams in the NFL. You forget he's on the team. Their third string running back peels off a big win. The Eagles feel like one of those Bama Georgia teams that just had more five-star athletes.

I mean, they've run for three, 200 plus yards in all their playoff wins. Doesn't that sound sort of like a dominant college team? The first two drives of the game told the story. Washington had that Notre Dame feel. 18 plays. And they settled for a field goal. Philadelphia is like, yeah, that's cool. First play.

Eagles. Sequin Barclay, 60 yards. Momentum. completely and absolutely erased. We all kind of knew yesterday it was really possible. Philadelphia is better. They are a green wall of talent. In fact, I'm trying to think of a team in the last eight to ten years

that has as much talent as Philadelphia. Elite players, four on the offensive line, one or two at wide receiver, one at tight end. I mean, we don't even like, their coach and we don't think their quarterback's top five or six and they're still double-digit leads on Washington, on the Rams, on the Packers. Washington was down two valuable linemen. They've got two great players, Terry McLaurin and Jaden Daniels, and they're going to be back in this game multiple times in the next 10 years. But Philadelphia is so well constructed that at the two key

positions in pro football, quarterback and coach, we've got our doubts, and they still bulldoze people. Double-digit leads, double-digit wins, it's what they do. Here's Sakewon after. I ain't going to lie. I try to downplay it in my head, but it's amazing, man. It's amazing. We're here. Super Bowl, but the goal wasn't just getting there, the goals to win, and we're going to celebrate joy of this and get right back to work. Again, Jaden, Dan, Daniels is going to be in this puppy a lot over the next 10 years. That's not even a doubt. They got cap space.

They need one to two more drafts. But it's not time for Washington. Not time at all. Philadelphia has more talent. Kansas City has a decided advantage at quarterback and head coach in the Super Bowl. I like the Chiefs. I doubted them Friday. Had Buffalo winning 28, 27.

bad, say it out loud. Bill's Chiefs, McDermott, Reed, at Arrowhead. I was on the wrong side for at least one of the games. Jay Mac, Matt Hasselbeck, and Drew Brees both stopped by today. You know, it's interesting when we talk about these games. And one of the things I'm just not interested in is referee discussions. Like if you're pinning your hopes on two inches on a fourth down, and I'm going to talk about this next.

the Chargers tried a tush push once with Justin Herbert he's six five and a half and they learned very quickly he was a target the tush pushes between the two teams were a big separator in this game if you think the officiating mattered and it is interesting to watch both because one looks perfected and one feels like they're kind of winging it hey Josh can you just get the first down and I'm I want to talk about that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

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He literally disappears into the scrum behind the first or second, maybe first best offensive line in football. It looks practical. It bats a thousand. It is so dominating that Washington almost surrendered a touchdown. Thanks to Mike Pereira for telling us a rule none of us knew. It is a thousand for a thousand. About once every 10 or 12 tries, they add a wrinkle to it. But that is the standard of the play.

That is the gold standard. Great O line, smaller quarterback, disappears into a sea of green. Now let's look at Buffaloes, which went two for six, if you count two-point conversions. It's a six-seven quarterback who jumps into the air, making himself a pinata. Half the time, it looks like he wants to pitch it back.

It feels like 30% of the time he's close to fumbling. They go to the left side every time, which Jim Nance told us, Kansas City coach is new. It looks disorganized. It looks ad-libbed. Six-seven quarterbacks holding the ball in the air, leaping over the top, or a 5-11 quarterback who squats 600 pounds behind dominant guard center guard play. What sounds like it would work? What sounds more practical? everybody in the league has tried their hand at this.

Maybe everybody should stop except Philadelphia. The Buffalo version has a, hey, let's just let Josh figure this out. Yeah, it's not Thanksgiving with the relatives. You're not beating Andy Reid on, hey, Josh is out there. Hey, man, he is so talented. Let's let him figure it out. Yeah, he goes to the left every time. Jim Nant said they knew it was coming.

Here's Sean McDermott after. They were doing a good job. I thought overall, you know, maybe we could have disguised it, maybe not. But at the end of the day, we have confidence in Josh and our offensive line to get those. And they've been getting them all year. We thought maybe we disguise it. How about let's disguise it? Kansas City disguises everything.

Kick-offs. Everything. Kansas City unveils new pressure defensively. against kicks in the PAT. It's a constant playbook expanded. We thought about disguising it. It's hard to disguise a six-foot-seven guy who jumps into the air over the line with the ball wide open to be hit, knocked away, or fumbled.

He did once. And somehow, weirdly, they recovered it. But if you're going into Kansas City and your play is, hey, man, it's going to be a game of inches, we're just going to let Josh add libid. Does Kansas City feel like they add-lib much of anything pre-snap? They don't do that. And that is the difference. Spaggs blitzing, Andy, with an expansive playbook,

and Buffalo on these big, big plays, we just thought we'd let Josh, you know, do it. You have excellent running backs. You don't have the best running back duo in the league. I think that's Detroit. But James Cook, Ray Davis, are somewhere in the top. Use them like you did all season. J-Mack with a news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, interesting story popped over the weekend that Dallas Cowboys announced Brian Schottenheimer as their new head coach in a Friday news dump. Wow. Unbelievable. Owner Jerry Jones said, quote, Brian Schottenheimer is known as a career assistant. He ain't Brian no more. he is now known as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

All right. Adding, there became a point where there was no doubt of my mind that the best man to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys and it reduces the transition. Whatever that means. Jerry, this really isn't. This is his move. It's really not a Brian Schottenheimer conversation. It's a Mike McCarthy left and Dallas got caught off guard. That's what this feels like.

Schottenheimer is not the focus. here. We knew nobody would like it. He's been a coordinator 14 years. First time he's really been in a head coaching discussion ever. I mean, we told you when this news came down, three days ago, we told you, this is going to be met with utter dismay, resistance. It will affect the lines in Vegas. And Jerry dumped it at 10 p.m. on a Friday. That's like when PR firms have really bad news, they call it a news dump. Yeah. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So Jerry knew he can be strident and strong.

And that's not what this is. This is a news dump. They got caught off guard and of the four to five best candidates of which Mike McCarthy was one of them, they could not even retain their own very good head coach. This was the only smart move Jerry Jones made in the entire process, burying this on Friday night. Nobody talked about it. Saturday, you know, it was like a free day. There was no football.

Everybody just got about their life. And then Sunday there was the big games. And now Monday we're reacting to the lucky chiefs and the powerful Eagles. And nobody's talking about the cowboys. It's a smart move by Jerry. You got to admit, this is the savviest move he's head in the last, I don't know, a month. I would hope as a business worth $10 billion, your smartest moves aren't news dumps. Yeah.

Next up is the Tush push. You talked about it with the Chiefs. Well, how about the Eagles? They've been running it and dominating throughout. It has been unstoppable for them. except the commanders made an interesting effort to stop at linebacker Frankie Louvre decided he was just going to keep getting flagged off sides and then the refth announced, and I'd never heard this before,

he would award the Eagles a touchdown if Washington continued to jump. I was just timing to jump over. They've been doing that a lot of the short yardage and I was just going to take my shot. But the third time they told me, you know, I'm a 15-yard penalty for a sportsmanial conduct. I don't know what that was about, but I guess they wanted them to score. So I just going to stop from there, and that's how I can cut it up. Did you notice Kansas City did not need to jump off sides to defend Josh Allen

because it was predictable and stoppable. Washington literally knew we have virtually no chance to stop this. That tells you the distinction between Philadelphia's version of it and Buffalo's version. Kansas City sat back patiently and said, do your best. We'll take a whack at the pinata. There's nothing you can do here. Between the quarterback, the O-line, the quarterback size, and leg strength, I don't like the play at all.

I think it's bad TV. I don't think it's entertaining. Wait, how is it bad TV? Well, it's just not a very, I mean, it's like saying bunts. If baseball said more bunts, it's not really what. These are all television products. This is like, this is for touchdowns. This is for two-point conversions.

What's wrong with it? It feels automatic. When the Eagles run it in the Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Chiefs ain't going to be able to stop it. Just because they stop Buffaloes, they're not going to be able to stop this one. They may not get into the red zone. The Eagles might not. Get into the red zone.

All right. Seriously? I think Kansas City's defense, we now have to be honest. Lockdown corner, dominant defensive line, multiple edge defenders, hyper-athletic linebackers. I don't think people are giving Kansas City's defense the credit. Really? Oh, I think it's really good.

And it's really good in big games. I mean, the bill scored 29 points, left some on the board, at an unlucky fourth down call that was reversed. They were lucky they recovered all four fumbles. Five, actually. Four of their own. If Kansas City recovered one of those fumbles, you can start putting Kansas City in the 40s. Yeah, no, Kansas City offense was awesome. I think their defense is a little overrated.

James Cook was fine and getting loose. Well, James Cook is an exceptional running back. Can we just acknowledge now? This is what drives me crazy. Buffalo. He's not Saquan. But he's on a short list of five guys as the second best running back in the league. James Cook is phenomenal.

Yeah. Use him. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I would have used James Cook instead of the Tush Push, but regarding the Eagles, like, this is all. They had seven rushing touchdowns in the game. You can't stop the Tish Push. The commanders are just whining. Please tell me you're not one of these ban the Tish Push guys, are you?

I don't love it. Do you want to ban it? I'm not a big ban anything guy. I'm not for governments telling us mandates. We have to do something. and I'm not necessarily much of a band guy. But, you know, it's funny. Philadelphia masters this, and now everybody wants to try it.

Chargers tried it once with Herbert. He got hurt and are like, yeah, this isn't built for us. It's not built for tall quarterbacks. It's really not. You won't see Mahomes do it anymore. You got hurt on it to do it. And by the way, Kansas City doesn't do it, and Kansas City doesn't have nearly a good as running back as James Cook.

And I could argue the better O-line is Buffalo's over Kansas City's, and they won't do it. the offensive coaches like, I can fool you, misdirection, I've got other weapons, the defensive coaches, just give it to Josh and let them jump in the air. I think that's a big part of this game.

Chiefs will need something different against the Eagles defense, which is like way, way, way better than Buffalo. Well, yeah. Especially up front. Didn't you think watching Philadelphia? Midgame, I'm like, Buffalo does not match up with Philadelphia.

They do not. You were going to get heartbroken there. That old line, was going to push Buffalo all over the field. They're going to push Kansas City all over the field. But Kansas City is so varied. Their ability to be diverse defensively, corner blitzes at the right time.

They are, let me tell you something. My buddy John Middilkoff said this. Kansas City's the best tackling team in the league. They get their hands on you. You are down. I think you're a little too excited about the chiefs off a win over Buffalo and their bad defense. Wow, okay.

Final story is East West Shrine Bowl was this past weekend. Shadur Sanders did not participate in anything, but he did talk to reporters. He was asked how he'd feel about being drafted number one by the Titans and said he'd be, he'd love it and he'd be thankful for the opportunity. Colin, I don't see him going number one to the Titans. I'm surprised nobody asked about the Cleveland Browns who were drafting two. Giants at three would obviously love Shadur. I don't think the Patriots should take a chance nor the Jaguars.

Raiders would love him at six. This was my mock draft from about a week ago. I think if he fell to the Raiders, they'd be ecstatic. Yeah, I mean, I saw a picture of Shadur this weekend, standing next to Brian Dable. And he looks like a friend. I mean, he is a big kid. And I've yet to talk to anybody in the NFL that doesn't like him. Not everybody loves him, but I think Shadour Sanders is a franchise quarterback that's going to have a very nice career.

He's not falling past six in the weekend. No, no, no, no. Lock that up. But I mean, it's just, I mean, Dion's done a really good job. He's a hard worker. I think he's going to do well. I don't know how great he is. A lot of that's based on coach, line, play, support.

But it's, I mean, he looks the part when you watch him. And I had a friend who played college quarterback go to a Colorado game live. And he said he was by far and away, the best player on the field, by far and away. I would hope so. That included Travis Hunter. He said Shadur was in total control of the game. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know.

Shadour goes to the wrong team with the wrong offensive coordinator, and then he's in the Trevor Lawrence cycle of a different coach every year. I saw Stap Baker Mayfield that's had in the last eight years, eight different offensive coordinators. Yeah. How are you supposed to be successful with that? It's ridiculous. How's Patrick Mahomes working out?

He's had Andy Reid for, oh, I don't know, his entire career. I know. Like, talk about good luck. Yeah. Jeez. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lye News. I said this years ago about two-point conversions. You football coaches are not mathematicians. Just kick the PAT until the very end of the game. So since the playoffs have started, playoff teams going for two, two-point conversions are three of ten. How are those analytics?

They're not very good at it. Mahomes, even Jaden Daniels had a failure. stop chasing points. The other thing is, if you show your hand early in the game on your very special two-point conversion plays, you're not saving it. Do you notice Spaggs had that corner blitz

on the biggest play of the game? Andy Reed will often unveil his greatest tricks in the biggest leverage moment of the game. Second quarter, trailing 1412, Washington's like, let's go for two. Kick the PAT. It's 1413. I can assure you nobody thought those were the last touchdowns of the game.

This was going to be one of my, I think it's the only time all year. I bet the over on a pro game. It was going to be a lot of scoring. Like, stop chasing points. Save your special. Save it for late in games. Like I did like Washington at one point saying, we're going to fake a punt because you could feel the game slipping away.

But spags and. Andy Reid are really good. Belichick was great at this. I can remember the Julian Edelman double pass against Baltimore. You don't do that in week four. You don't do it in week 11. You don't do it in the first quarter. You save that stuff.

Comedians don't use their best material in the first 45 seconds of their set. You get the audience ready, right? Like your best line in the movie is generally not in the first scene. and when I watch these teams constantly trying to chase points, just kick field goals. You're Washington. You're not holding these guys under 30. They're just too powerful.

Don't worry about a single point because if you fail on it, now you're chasing points and that just doesn't end well. You put yourself in weird, precarious situations. I am a kick the PAT. I know what analytics say, but do analytics tell you that Washington is missing their best offensive linemen? And that Philadelphia, the analytics tell you that Philadelphia, their two best defensive linemen are better than anybody you have on the offensive line

and that the analytics tell you about Philadelphia's corners who are emerging as stars, both of the rookies. So I just, this whole thing about chasing points, it's 1412. You're throwing a ball out into the flat and trying Austin Eccler to beat two eagles. I didn't like the call, first of all, but I didn't like the attempt. Save your special for the most special moments. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Kavino.

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That's the only thing I don't like about close games. and I think if you're Buffalo and you're reducing that game to two inches on a fourth down, you're missing the point. You know, there's an old saying, and Josh Allen said this, to be the champ, you have to beat decisively the champ. And the Chiefs, you can't hold your breath and make this play your life preserver. There were still 13 minutes left. You still led the game.

Both teams were going to get minimum two offensive possessions. And from that point forward, Kansas City outscored Buffalo 11 to 7 and had a two-point conversion. And most of all, What happened to Buffalo? Their final drives, right? Like, like, basically their season was reduced to this great player, Josh Allen, semi-halemery to Dalton Kincaid who dropped it. CBS kind of glossed over that.

Like, that was a big play. Maybe not Mark Andrews easy, but that is, Dalton Kincaid's a good player. That's what your season was reduced to. Look in the mirror. Ad-libbing. Josh Allen on fourth and ones. So there was a lot of ball game left. And on that blitz, that spags, we can show it again,

a pro ball corner left unblocked. And they knew what side Josh Allen would roll to. Kansas City had the tush push figured out. They knew where you were going to roll. It's called coaching. It's called execution. And Sean McDermott is a defensive head coach. How come every time they play Kansas City,

the Chiefs dropped 30 to 35 points. This was the most points. Kansas City scored all year. Think about that. That doesn't even make sense. They didn't look good last week or several weeks before. For most of the season, we felt like, why did Xavier Worthy just pop in this game?

Well, part of it was a weakness for Buffalo is their safety and cornerback health. So if you want to just cling to going on the road, If I would have told you as a Bills fan, you went on the road, and I would have said you're two for six on tush pushes, Dalton Kincaid potentially drops the winner, you're reduced to a Hail Mary on your final big play of the season, and Kansas City scores their most points all year. Oh, by the way, you'll fumble four times.

You would have thought you would have been blown out. You were lucky to recover all four of them. But, but, and James Cook didn't touch it, final drive. was McDermott after? We've got to keep working to get over that hump. There's no doubt about it. So we've won a lot of tough games this year against really good opponents, really good coaches,

and I'm proud of this football team for it. So this is obviously a challenge for us. We'll figure it out. So I've said this. I think Sean McDermott's a good coach. But good coaches don't go in and face Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson and win the championship.

I mean, you look at all those Sonics, jazz, Charles Barkley's sons, very good teams. Jordan, Pippen, Phil Jackson, all-time greats. Jordan the best player, Pippin the best Robin, Phil Jackson the best coach, and they have home court advantage. So you're not, and what do you do with Sean McDermott? Well, he's too good of a coach to let go. I always feel he is the defensive version of Mike McCarthy.

And I think Mike McCarthy is a B-plus coach. highly employable. I feel like McDermott is an organizer, and if your organization is a bit of a mess, he'll organize it. He reminds me of Chuck Knox, who was known for playoff struggles, Chuck Knox,

and that was Chuck Knox's reputation. He got tight in playoff games. They called him, He'd go to the ground. He wouldn't throw the football like Buffalo in the second half. They wouldn't throw the football. It's like, you got Josh Allen here. What are we doing?

And so I feel like he's very good at organizing. But my take is, so is Andy Reed, and Andy Reid's also a creative visionary. So both of them are detailed, both are organized, both are good coaches. One's a visionary. There were a lot of good coaches that face Michael, Jordan, and Phil Jackson. One coach had the triangle. one coach had MJ. A lot of the parts in Chicago moved for years outside of Pippin.

A lot of the bigs, the wings, the shooters. A lot of guys. A lot of guys moved. Phil, Scotty, Michael. That's when they were great. Spags, Reed, Mahomes. Chris Jones, Kelsey, that's when they're great. So this stuff, it is easy to blame officials on this stuff, but it's a tired act. I felt the first drive of the game really told you everything.

Buffalo, almost through two picks. Look nervous and aimless. Kansas City obviously looked at film and said, attack the middle of Buffalo's defense. Attack it. Went right at it and marched down the field. So the other play in the game, which was,

it's that Xavier Worthy play, or it's a semi-ali-oop by Patrick Mahomes. and the CBS former official made it very clear, who has the ball in the air doesn't matter. Just like a pass, you have to complete the play. And I thought it was intercept.

I thought it was intercepted. The world did. But who has the ball when the play is completed? And so when I looked at that, right, Buffalo gets it first. But in the end, that split second, when you watch in slow-mo replay, now who has the ball? And what was interesting, Buffalo challenged on this, even though Buffalo committed a clear holding penalty on the play.

So they essentially, and I didn't agree with the challenge, they challenged it for yardage. I would have saved that for later in the game. But again, you can get all worked up on that, but it's not who has it initially. It is just like a pass. Who has it when the play. is completed.

I thought the CBS, Gene did a great job on that, explained it, and you're not going to have a game. Ask yourself this, when is the last great game between legendary quarterbacks and big brands that we've watched for years and years and years that we thought was perfectly officiated? Well, Buffalo certainly wasn't perfectly coached. So it is interesting how often, like Houston last week was complaining about the officials. Houston had the worst. Think about this. Houston special teams last week was the worst performance of the entire playoffs. Houston mangled a fourth down. Remember, the announcer

Aikman screaming, time out. Call a time out. So, you know, a lot of this stuff is you want the game to be officiated perfectly, but even in replay, you often have to watch something three and four and five times. When I was a kid, you'd go to the library. to watch microfilm. You know, you, that's what we used back then. Like,

when you have officials and people in the league offices having to watch something for 90 seconds to two and a half minutes, it tells you it's kind of a go-either-way play. And so in the end, Buffalo had it early. Worthy appeared to have at least 50%

of the possession late. And if you have half of it, the tie goes to the receiver. Like in baseball, tie goes to the runner. So, and I think, there is this sense, and I felt that when I lived in Connecticut,

worked at the other place with New England. It was this constant sense of, hey, it's like the league wants Brady to win. But I think that discontent is misguided. My take is go back to the opening drive. If you look at statistics, remember, Buffalo got the opening kickoff. They defer. So Kansas City gets the ball. at home takes a 7-0 lead and is getting the ball back in the second half.

Right there, five minutes in, you have a 65% chance of winning the game. Just on the first drive, the home team scores first and is getting the ball to start the second half. You take a 7-0 lead after two drives, one each team, the percentages now are clearly in your favor. It doesn't mean the game doesn't change. But that was an analytic advantage of some note. right there. Jay Mack, I haven't let you talk much this hour, so you can fire away on.

I thought coaching between Spags and Andy, I thought they were really good, really exceptional. Spaggs Blitz was outstanding. You knew that was coming. It's funny you brought up the worthy catch. It is, if you want to look at, you can so many ways to look at this game, but essentially the three highest leverage plays

all went Kansas City's way. That worthy thing, which, by the way, both announcers and the CBS guy all thought, but the ball hit the ground. That should not have been a catch. Romo and Nancy were pretty clear on that. Of course, it goes Kansas City's way. There was also a penalty against Buffalo.

So the ball would have been moved forward. The ball would have been moved forward. But again, move it into the red zone. They get the touchdown. Maybe they hold them to the field goal. So that's one. Two is the Kincaid drop. And boy, there are multiple angles floating around the internet.

It wasn't as bad as Mark Andrews, but that's a brutal drop by Kincaid. And I know he was coming back to the ball, but that's two. So the high leverage worthy, hits the ground, shouldn't account. Okay, we'll give it to the Chiefs. Kincaid, drop, goes to the Chiefs. And then, of course, the fourth down run by Josh Allen. And I know you hated the Tush push and the Chiefs already.

But it should be noted, Colin. Warren Sharp on social media pulled the video. One referee on the sideline comes down the line, essentially saying he got to the marker. He gets overruled by the other referee. And it's like, well, why did that happen? How did the guy on the bottom say, I've got a better angle than you? And it's just like one of those things. Each of those three plays went Kansas City's way.

I looked at some of the numbers last night. In this Josh Allen Mahomes battle, the numbers are almost equal. They have been virtual equals. The only difference is Kansas City has won all four playoff games. That's it. And it's not like, I know Mahomes is the goat. But this idea that like Josh Allen is chopped liver and Pacan is the goat, the difference is like minuscule between these.

Inherit Sean McDermott. And Allen gets Andy Reed. Yeah, Josh Allen is the goat. That's basically what we're going on. That's what I'm saying. So you're acknowledging what I believe is that in high leverage games, the details and the coaching are the difference. They're both great.

They're both all-time. I mean, listen, despite that 20, down 11 in Arrowhead, and they came back to take the lead in the second half? Yeah. I thought the bills were great. These games are always... That's why I keep using the word luck, and I know you don't like it, and the Chiefs fans online cannot stand it.

But things bounce their way, and I know the fumble. all went to Buffalo. Also, it's just a great game, just an unfortunate result of the bills. I thought Buffalo, when Josh Allen went over the top and lost it, and they regained it when there was like four guys in red.

I'm like, how did Buffalo? I've never heard of a team fumbling four times in a playoff game and recovering all of them. That is unheard of. I thought it was Buffalo's night when that was happening. So did I. The one thing, before the Josh Allen sneak with the no first down, Dalton Kincaid was tackled near the line

and Buffalo rushed up so we didn't get a good replay but there's people online clamoring look at Kincaid's knee wasn't down he like landed on the chief it should have been a first and that's the problem with these with these high leverage spots well you know what the first Super Bowl had two cameras playoff games now have 35 there have been misses my entire life you just didn't see them yeah

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