The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The College Football Playoff Committee

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

Colin defends the College Football Playoff Committee slotting 3-loss Alabama into the playoff mix ahead of 2-loss Miami Kyle Shanahan should be at the top of the list for the Bears as they search for a new head coach More on Michigan beating Ohio State on SaturdaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for making us part of your day. Joel Clout, one hour from now, all the crazies, and we love them. All the crazies in college football are freaking out. 12-team bracket comes out again. Only a couple left before the real deal. December 20th is when it starts. So, J-Mack, everybody.

He's freaking out. Oh, freaking out. How can you put Bama and how can you leave Miami out? Terrible job. Terrible job. I want to start with this. In my life, I love college football. It's always had one issue.

One issue is that it's got a big game shortage. Because nobody wants to lose games, so everybody ducks competition. I mean, USC this year opened with LSU and, close with Notre Dame. That's like way above average. What you'd like to see every year is Ohio State saying, hey, let's go play Texas and Oklahoma. But it doesn't happen. And so I have always believed I am going to give you extra credit by just scheduling a game. You may lose it, but if you're willing to schedule a game and you lose it in overtime or it's close, it matters to me. In the NFL, you can't control your schedule.

But in college football, you control three or four of the games. And I'm paying attention. So 12-team playoff comes out. The big criticism is Miami, two losses should be in, and Bama three losses should be out. So let's forget out of conference for a second. First of all, Bama plays in a much better conference. Well, that's not fair. Well, it's not fair.

some people are born rich and some people are born middle class. It is what it is. The SEC, those high schools got the best players, they recruit the best player. SEC is better than Alabama plays in that. The ACC is a hot tire fire. It's a mess.

It's awful. Second, Bama beat Georgia. That's a big time win. You know the big win for Miami? 7 and 5 Florida. That's our big win. So Bama played in a better conference. Bama's got a better win.

Here's the other thing. Both of Miami. losses have come in the last three weeks. So it looks like they're a little wobbly right now. I don't love that. The other thing, the ACC's awful. So the three best teams in the ACC are SMU, Miami, and Clemson. Bizarrely, they didn't play each other.

They didn't play each other. So all of them stockpiled wins over terrible teams. Meanwhile, Bama is going through the SEC gauntlet. And yeah, they went to Oklahoma, got close. caught flat-footed. Oklahoma's got, you know, 15 kids that are going to play in the NFL. Like, you go to, you, sometimes you go to a game. They're ready to play, and you're not.

And I don't think Alabama's great. I think they're good. I just think Miami, if they played them, is less good than Alabama's good. And I don't want Alabama at three losses to get in, but they've got a better win. It's a better conference. And by the way, Alabama against ranked teams this year, currently ranked teams, three and one. Do you know what Miami, Clemson, and SMU are against ranked teams this year?

O and four. Stockpiled wins over nonsense. There are no great teams this year in college football. I think Texas is really good, really good. I don't think they're great. Great is the 75, you know, I would go, great is the Tommy Fraser. are cornhuskers, the Reggie Bush Trojans, the Joe Burrell LSU team. There was a Miami team, Bush Davis assembled. That was great. We've had about five or six

great teams. This year, I think we have won very, very, very good team, Texas. Oregon may be that as well. I'm not sure, but I think they could be. And then it's a bunch of Ohio states and Penn State and Alabama's and Tennessee's and Georgia's. But you're trying to get me upset because two losses. These aren't standings. Even in the the NFL, you can win a division. Somebody's going to win, you know, the NFC South, and they may be eight, nine, and then somebody's going to be left out with probably 10 wins. That's the way it works in pro sports. And in college football, where you play, who you play, it may not be your fault. Again, it's not your fault for a lot in life. It doesn't make it untrue. And I would trust

Alabama in a big game over Miami because I think Kalin DeBore is a better coach than Mario Cristobol, and I think with a couple of weeks to prep, I'd take the better coach. So it's not the end of the world, but better schedule, better win, better against ranked teams. Let me just throw this out here. I always had this theory. I know this just comes across as just a terrible thing to say. But if I pay for the wedding, I get to make the seating chart. Okay?

Who pays for college football in the playoff? The networks. So I wouldn't even have a problem. If everything was even, and you went down 20 different lists of record, home, away, and it was even. At the end, it's a coin flip. And the network said,

I'd rather take the massive fan base of Alabama in over a Miami team that gets $28,000 for a home game. I pay for the wedding. I get to decide the seating chart. And right now, I mean, in baseball, Major League Baseball. You know who was really on Major League Baseball for the pitch clock? Fox and ESPN.

You know who created that game in Europe? Phillies Mets? Fox. Field of Dreams. Fox. You know, outfield shift. They didn't listen to purists. TV networks pay the bills.

They get a say in this stuff. The NFL's always understood that. I mean, they change rules annually to just make it a better TV product. But, and that's like the final box. That's not the first box. But I'm not losing sleep because two lost Miami may not get in. And Alabama, three loss in the toughest conference with a great coach is going to get it. If that's what we're losing sleep over, a couple of pretty good teams who have stubbed their toe.

I'm sorry, I don't need melatonin to sleep tonight. I'm going to be just fine. Joel Clatton one hour. Okay, I saw this story. You know how some things are true? and you just and some people and maybe it's just a money thing

that people don't want to spend maybe these rich billionaire owners are cheap probably are that's why they're billionaires right but I saw pro football talk had a story this morning the Chicago Bears should call the Niners about Kyle Shanahan

and I know what you're saying whoa take a deep breath timing is everything so first of all let's establish this to be true at any one time in my life there's been about four to five rock star head coaches, like any industry.

Tech, law, medicine, football coaching. At any one time, the NFL's got five rock stars, they're just better than everybody else. Jim Harbaugh, to the Chargers, completely changed the franchise with the same roster. Sean Payton and Denver takes over Chernobyl. Now they're going to make the playoffs. Sean McVeigh to the Rams, dead franchise, double-digit wins, year one. Rockstar. Andy Reid.

Chiefs are lost to the playoffs, to a dynasty. Shanahan's considered in that class. They don't get to more about Kyle later than the show. The only thing that amazes me is that more people, more owners don't consider this. Hello, Harbaugh, McVeigh,

Hello. I mean, when the Niners were terrible, they got Jim Harbaugh. And then he left and they got terrible. and they got Kyle Shanahan. Now, we didn't know Shanahan was a rock star head coach at the time, but we knew he was a rock star coordinator. At the time, he was the best coordinator in the league.

And I look at all these Bears candidates. Oh, Ben Johnson. He's an O.C. Let's be honest. Little different guy, little quirky guy. He doesn't have the gravitas. If I had to guess, he is great coordinator, not a head coach. That's my guess.

Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame. Well, he's a great recruiter. Oh, yeah, that doesn't matter in the NFL. He could be. But I would give up multiple picks for Kyle Shanahan. Because even first round picks, you don't really know what you're getting. You don't, I mean, you really don't know what you're getting after about the first eight picks. And even sometimes in the first eight picks, you're like, yeah, about eight practices in.

That doesn't work. You know what you're getting with Kyle Shanahan. You're going to get that run game, the schemes. Now, here's the other thing. And you're thinking, why would he leave? In my lifetime, there has been one quality that smart people have shared. Men and women. One quality.

And it's not where you went to college. It's not who you know. No, no. The smartest people, the Murdochs have been great at this. They get out of the movie business at the perfect time. They get out of the regional sports networks at the perfect time. The ability to understand timing is really, really the one thing in my life that highly successful people, Mark Cuban, by the way, just sold his NBA franchise.

He knows something, right? He was the guy that came in, the young Brash owner. Nobody treated their players like Mark Cuban. He changed how players were treated. He was ahead of the curve. Now he's selling his team. probably knows something. Look at Kyle Shanahan's situation.

Smart guy. Don't know Kyle. No many that do. Smart guy. About to have to pay Brock Purdy, who's now a little small and hurt for the second time to compete against Mahomes and Allen and Lamar and Herbert and C.J. Stroud and Jalen Hertz. Brock Purdy. You want a role with that? You don't have a trophy yet. That's your trophy quarterback? Secondly, Christian McCaffrey.

Clearly, and I love him, he is peaked. Third, it's an old expensive, increasingly brittle roster. And here's Chicago. Coach fired, coach fired, coach fired, coach fired, coach fired. Are the bears smart enough to look at the Rams and go, look what McVeigh did? This has a Tony Dungee to the Colts field, where you had this surging young star quarterback, Tony's in Tampa and says, I'm going to go up there and I'm going to get my side of the ball right and Tony Dungey demanding the perfect fit.

Shanahan to the Bears. My only question is, are the McCasky smart enough to offer it? Draft picks? Are you kidding me? Yeah, let's see. Linebacker or Kyle Shanahan. Tide end or change the franchise forever? Not a tough call.

J-Mack, I told you this morning. Got a good night, sleep. Ready to roll, my friend. You're on fire. Getting off a couple one-liners there, Chernobyl reference. Well, it was. Nicely done. And by the way, Peyton's a great example.

They have the Russell Wilson mess. They have no momentum. They gave up draft capital. By the end of last year, you were like, yeah, Russell's actually back to being pretty good. Good enough. The Steelers said, we'll take him. Oh, by the way.

And now with draft cap, this is the thinnest roster Sean Payton will ever have. if they come out of the buy and win, they're 9 and 5. They're making the playoffs with a rookie quarterback in the division with the current dynasty, in the division with arguably the two best coaches in the sport, Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reed. And a huge dead cap hit. A massive dead cap hit. Impressive job.

The Bears have players. The Bears have receivers. What the Bears don't have is a culture creator and a schematic genius. I would give up. I would give up multiple first-round picks for Kyle Shanahan. I mean, that's not bad. I still like my Marcus Freeman hot take, a couple of my Notre Dame buddies. Stop, Jason.

We do not want to lose Marcus Freeman. No, I like Marcus Freeman, but we don't know if it works. We don't know if he's going to be an NFL coach. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. What do we know about Kyle Shanahan in fourth quarters? I mean, he's been awful, blowing big leads. Fourth quarters, the Bears could just take wins. Yes, yes.

I'll tell you what the bears would love to have a problem with. We keep blowing fourth quarter leads. They just like to lead. going into the fourth quarter. They got their issues are we're getting blown out regularly. We're dysfunctional. You think he's leaving San Francisco? I'm telling you. The single

if you could look at the Murdox history who owned this company, Fox News, I could argue their greatest skill is exits. So are you treating... Build and exit. The movie industry collapsed. They got out, sold it to somebody else. So you feel

like the Niners of the Titanic right now. They're sinking. No. I feel it's timing. I left the network. Wasn't the Titanic. It was time. And I'm certainly not qualified to conclude myself in any category of smart people. But I'm saying is timing is a real thing.

Don't fall in love, fall in like with everything but your family and kids. Fall in like with stuff. The Niners, it's great. Fall in like with the Niners. Coaches should never fall in love with their billionaire owner. Because I got news for you. Back-to-back losing seasons and a billionaire owner is going to check. Edison, you.

So I'm just saying that if you look at what Chicago's never had, a brilliant offensive guy, Chicago's a huge brand. I mean, it was just like Harba went to L.A. He's like, it's in L.A. I've got Herbert. I can be their first Super Bowl winning coach. I got a left tackle. I've got pass rushers. I got a boss. I got this. There are so many components of the bears that are the chargers.

And so you can look at a team's history. what do you want to change history and i i just think i think you have to look at it a lot of stuff sounds crazy kevin durant goes from o k c to the warriors sounded crazy tom brady jettison's belichick to go to tampa sounded crazy herbert's leaving his alma mater to go to the chargers a lot of stuff sounds crazy what do you think uh shenahan's wife will say if he he says honey we're leaving the beautiful bay area we're moving to chicago what do you think his wife would say can't wait California taxes 13% Chicago 4.9. Can't wait.

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And bounced around on a lot of topics. But he went to Michigan, obviously. And, you know, I think all of us that follow college football, it was a jaw-dropping loss for Ohio State, stacked roster at home, better at quarterback, much better offense, solid defense, losing to Michigan that could not throw the ball. They did not exploit their best players, wide receivers. and Tom Brady talked about that Ryan Day, Ohio State performance. If I looked at Ohio State strengths and we say they have a great seven on 17, they got guys they can throw the ball to. In the second half, they don't even target their best players.

So to me, it's like I may as well have been out there playing receiver for Ohio State. I can't run. I couldn't catch. But it doesn't matter if you don't throw me the ball. I thought the best thing that Coach Belichick did, and there was a lot of them, was he would clearly define for offense, defense, and sports, special teams. This is how we're going to win the game this week. You've got to have some formula for what you're trying to accomplish. What's the bullseye that we need to hit?

So why don't we just dial it down and dial it back to the only the specific ones where our best players are going to touch the ball, doing the best things that they do. And we're going to go out like that. If we lose, we lose. If we win, you know, great. But we're not going to lose doing things that we don't do well. And it's not that Ohio State can't. run the football. But as many pointed out, Ryan Day hates the label that Michigan now is the program that's physical. And in the Midwest, that just lands hard for Ryan Day. He does not want to be known as the coach that has created a softer program. But the truth is, and I've talked about this to Urban Meyer on this show, when you recruit the best receivers in the country every year in Alabama and Ohio State do, it does change. It does change how you play. By the way, Andy Reid went to Philadelphia, blue-collar Philadelphia,

and he was the coach that started to run on first down and started to pass on third and two. Andy Reed went into tough guy Philadelphia, and he said, you know what? I'm going to look at Donovan McNabb and my wide receivers, and the culture changes in football. We're going to pass the ball on third and two. And he got to five NFC championships,

because that's what he thought worked. best for the culture changes and his personnel. He had a pretty good quarterback. And so you play to your personnel. And if you recruit the best wide receivers in the world in college football, and Ohio State does, that's what you are. Don't be ashamed of it. If you want to stop recruiting them, fine.

But fewer and fewer kids in America play in high school football want to be running backs because their careers are shorter and you make less money. The most talented high school football players and the smart ones want to be quarterbacks, ed rushers, wide receivers. So it's hard to find great running backs. The state of California, on an annual basis, 38 million people, will have two elite running backs. Two.

They'll have 100 Division I wide receivers. Kids are smart. They know where the money is. So in Ohio State recruits that position better than anybody. The other thing that hurts is Ohio State is in a weird, weird spot, where Ryan Day beats everybody except Michigan. He's 1 and 4 against Michigan. He's 63 and 2 against everybody else.

and so when you have a rival, like a Duke Carolina in basketball, Ohio State, Michigan, you got to beat your rival when they're vulnerable. And this was the vulnerable year for Michigan. Not good at quarterback. Game was in Columbus. Harbaugh just left, and they gave it to a coordinator. Remember, Ohio State dominated this thing from like 2004 to 2019. They dominated this rival.

They were vulnerable one year, the Luke Fickle year. Michigan beat them. but Ohio State with Tressel, Ohio State with Urban, always beat Michigan. And then that one wobbly year with Luke Fickle, Michigan beat him. This was the beat Michigan year. Because next year the game's in Ann Arbor. Next year, they have a five-star best high school quarterback in the country. And momentum.

So now Michigan's in Ohio State's head, the game goes to Ann Arbor, and Michigan's got the better quarterback, which, you know, matters. So it's a weird spot. If Ohio State loses its first game, and right now in the playoff, they play Tennessee, my pick before the season to win the Natty, and they lose that game, I wouldn't fire Ryan Day because I think he's a good coach.

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Let's start in the NBA, Colin, because something interesting happened last night with Steve Kerr. Look at this. He is as irate as he's been that I've ever seen him. The Warriors were playing the Nuggets, of course, and Kerr thought Christian Braun of Denver called a timeout. Denver didn't have any timeouts, so it should have been the Warriors ball and a free throw, obviously, for the tech. Instead, Kerr got a technical foul, and it was a close game, and the Warriors ended up losing. Here's Steve Kerr afterward. Brown called a timeout.

He dove on the floor. He rolled over. Everybody saw it except for the three guys we hired to do the games. And that makes me angry. That's a technical file. They don't have a timeout left. It's a technical file. We shoot a free throw.

We get the ball. We got a chance to win the game. They all told me they didn't see it. It's up to the referees to see somebody. That's why we have three of them. Somebody's got to see it. So, yeah, that made me mad. Yeah, refs blew it.

They blew it. They blew it. Got to blame somebody. Blame the zebras. By the way, do you see the Warriors coming back to Earth just a little bit? Well, their formula is a nice regular season formula. Play 11 guys. I don't think eventually you're going to beat the Nuggets.

I don't think you're going to beat OKC, Boston Celtics. I don't think you're beating those teams like that. Yeah, they lost Melton, I think, to an ACL, the guard. He was good, rotational piece. Not looking great all of a sudden in Golden State. Denver's starting to come around behind this Yokic fellow who's quite good. But he is so much better than the second best player in the NBA. Oh, I don't know about that.

If I said to you... Are you watching Luca closely, Yonnas? Did you just roll your eyes at Luca? Yeah. Let me ask you this. If I said to you there's a player in the NBA that got 35 points, 17 assists, and 15 rebounds in a game, you'd go, wow. Unless it was Yokic and you'd go, oh, it's Wednesday. Yokic's stat line is the only one in the league.

It's like LeBron James. When LeBron went 32, 12, and 12, like Magic Johnson, you were like, yeah, that's called Wednesday. For everybody else in the league, Yokic's stat line would be even for like Janice and Luca. If Luca went 35, 17, and 14, you'd go, that's maybe the greatest game in the history of Lucas' career. Yokic does that constantly. It is. He makes things look really easy. I don't know that I've ever seen an athlete in any sport who makes it look.

look this easy. Messy kind of sometimes in soccer. Patrick Mahomes sometimes when he's throwing the ball makes it look just effortless. But Yolkich, almost every time down the floor, he's like not really hustling, not trying, but he's just dominating. It's never seen anything like it before. Next up, Colin, all right, we had Tom Brady on the show yesterday. Yeah. He said something that people got a little worked up about online. Shocker. He was talking about the hit on Trevor Lawrence and Brady, the goat, had a suggestion to improve the game. Maybe they fine or penalize a quarterback for sliding late, you know, and say, look, if we don't want these hits to take place, we've got to penalize the offense and the defense. I don't know if you have to penalize the offense,

but if it knocks a quarterback out and there's no penalty called, that is a penalty, because a quarterback is more valuable than a safety or a linebacker. Ultimately, if you look at this, I wish we could slow-mo this. And if you look at it, Trevor slides late. He slide, If he stopped it when he starts his slide. And you're asking the defensive. What do you mean slides late? Look at this. You know what?

If I could hit, I would have hit him too. Oh. It's too late. What do you? Okay. I don't understand what slides too late means. He starts to tuck the ball and goes into a slide. Look at the yard line he slides on.

It's the yard line. Where is he supposed to slide, Colin? About three steps earlier. Oh, come on. Do you know how bang bang this game is? That's right. It is. I heard from more people about Brady.

take on this yesterday. How brilliant it was? Then any time Brady's been on the show, people are fired. I agree with Tom. You guys want to penalize defensive players. No, no, no, no. We don't want to penalize defense. We want to protect the most important player in the sport.

You know what? That's what quarterback is. You know what? Sometimes you've got to protect yourself. I want to protect my kids, but they probably shouldn't jump off tall buildings. Sometimes you have to protect yourself. The culpability, the responsibility isn't always on everybody else, making sure you're protected. I'm a defensive

player. I'm going to intimidate you. It's not my job to protect you. It's your job to protect you. You're good at analogies. You know, if you go out of... Jumping off buildings is bad. Well, if you go out three in the morning, is it law enforcement's responsibility to protect you, or do you not being out of three in the morning? What does the morning have to do

with sliding? Because people have to own their own safety. He slid. This wasn't a guy coming in up late. He slid way like. You see late, I see on time. By the way, Brady got hit like that one time. He never got hit like that again.

Yeah, Lamar Jackson, Russell, all these guys. You've got to protect the quarterbacks. They are the most important position in the sport, in all of sports. You start taking out these quarterbacks with cheap shots, which is what that was. Fine, the game's going to stink. You know, we lose quarterbacks, and then the team's got to play on Monday Night Football, and you're like, ah, it's a crap game. I'm not watching this.

You know, like, that's what the sport is. You've got to protect these guys, though. I'm just asking for a little personal responsibility. responsibility that we can't create a sport that defensive players can't be intimidating, that can't make great plays. Is there no other way to be intimidating besides head hunting? It's pretty

formidable as a weapon for intimidation. I don't know. I'm a little disappointed in you, coward, but it's early. By the way, you know who hit late a lot? Lawrence Taylor. It works. Play through the whistle.

A whistle's like a yellow light. Do you stop 40 feet before the yellow light. You know what yellow light means in my car? Speed up. Get through it, baby. It's just being difficult. I don't do that anymore because I got a red light camera ticket.

Have you gotten one of those? No. I slowed out at all. I look for the camera and I instantly slowed out. It's a $500 ticket in L.A. It's garbage. So anyways. Let's go to the final story in the Detroit Lions.

Their season has been great, but man, these injuries are mounting, Colin. Head coach Dan Campbell credits the team's mindset as a reason for the success. and says, hey, we got injuries, but it's that time of the year. We're ready for the postseason. We're in playoff football right now. That's where we're at.

We're in December, and our schedule says that. We play tough opponent after tough opponent after tough. We've got another one. I mean, we've got plenty coming up. And this is the type of stuff that you live for. And it's also the type of stuff that gets you ready for the tournament. That's right. Nobody has a tougher end of the season five games than the Lions.

Their final five opponents, Colin, have a combined record of 38 and 22. And all of them mathematically, I guess, are still in the playoff hunt. No, it's interesting. Who's the hottest team in football right now? Philadelphia. If the Lions and the Eagles played today, who would you take? Where's the game? Indianapolis neutral site.

Now, let's say, let's say it's, I don't care where it's at. They're both good at home. They're both good on the road. It doesn't matter where it's at. Who would you take? Right now, I would go Eagles. Same here. A lot of this is attrition.

Philadelphia is healthier. A.J. Brown's back. Detroit's banged up. They're on their 16th linebacker. So then what happens to, let's spin this forward. Let's say Philadelphia wins the NFC championship. Remember. What do you think Ben Johnson?

Is he still like, we've got to get to a Super Bowl. I'm staying here. Or is he like, all right, we had our chances twice. Well, I don't know. I got to move on. Because that's a big one, Colin. This lion's thing could go on for a few more years. Remember this.

It's not who the best team is in October and November. The Kansas City Chiefs have proven time and time again. Think about the last three or four Super Bowl champs. Kansas City scuffs a little in October, November. Great in the playoffs. Tom, Brady, and Tampa. Seven and five, go to a buy. Get hot.

Buffalo's hot right now. And Philadelphia is hot right now. Baltimore's not. Detroit feels like they pull. I'll tell you another team to keep your eye on. Green Bay. Well, wait. What is Detroit done to?

Well, they're banged up. They're not, 52-17 ain't happening anymore. They went to Indianapolis against the quarterback who doesn't throw the ball greatly and scuffed. They're not the same team as they were three weeks ago. They went through about a seven-game stretch where you were like, the hell is that? They're blowing people out like Bama. So I brought up the Ben Johnson angle because there's also the Aaron Glenn. He's going to be interviewing.

So now you have this amazing Lions run, seems like we're headed to the Super Bowl, injuries mount, and then we'll get to the Super Bowl. And now you've got maybe Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn both departing? I think a bad organization would go after Ben Johnson. I think the people I talk to in the league that I trust have skepticism on Ben Johnson as a franchise coach. They think he's a great coordinator. By the way, many had issues with Cliff Kingsbury as a head coach. talk to people all before he got hired.

And people were like, let's see if it works, but he couldn't win in the Big 12. I'm not sure he can win in the NFC West. Ben Johnson may just be a great number two. We've seen that for years in the NFL. But he probably wants to find out if he can be a number one, right? So it's... I don't know if he does. I mean, I've never met him.

I've never talked to him, but I think everybody wants to strive for as far as they can go. I don't think that's true. Really? Yeah. There's plenty of great radio guys in Des Moines, Iowa, that love it, voice of the Hawkins. They look at my job and think, yeah, I'd rather I want to live, you know, next to the farm I grew up on. I think there's probably more people that want your job. I don't know.

I think. Ben Thompson's been in football for like 20 years, at least. And he's making $3.5 million a year living in a beautiful suburb in Birmingham, Michigan. So you don't think he wants to, hey, let me see what else is out there. Life is an adventure. Let me try being a head coach. Maybe it fits. Maybe it doesn't.

But I want to see. I want to find out. I don't think as many people as you. Do you know 40% of people never leave their area code? That's a strange fact. It's true. And by the way, if you look at mobility statistics, we are less mobile than people think. Most Americans, if they get a great job and they have friends, they don't want to move.

This idea that everybody's got to get the brass ring that doesn't make you happier. Yeah, not everybody's chasing. Yeah, not everybody's Elon Musk and literally doesn't sleep. He wants to colonize Mars. Like, he's got some dreams and goals. Yeah, I don't, I think being an offensive coordinator with the Lions and knowing you're going to win 12 games a year, and if you lose, you don't get the heat, is a great American football job.

I think, now, now there's other guys like Sark, and I think Sark can recruit. There are guys like Sark who are more aspirational. That's good, too. But I think that stuff takes a toll on your private life, and I think Ben Johnson, he may have a wonderful family, he may have cousins nearby. By the way, Shanahan grew up in the Midwest, you know that? Was his dad at Denver when he was growing up? Colorado and also, I think he was born in Minneapolis.

That Chicago Bear Job may be just what Shanny's looking for. I'm just worried about this Lions team, man. You might be onto something that they've just peaked a little early. That runner who gets out to a huge league in the marathon. Go look at the last several years, Super Bowls. I'm not joking when I say this. Tampa team got hot in week 13. The Chiefs the last couple of years were rudderless in like early November.

This is a long season. I got a couple buddies. By the way, Buffalo now and Buffalo seven weeks. Before Amari Cooper showed up, didn't they lose to the Ravens like 35, 10 on Sunday night football? They were a little lost. But this Lions team, I got buddies

who are Lions fans. I've been texting them like, oh, Super Bowl bound, see you in New Orleans. And all of a sudden, like, that stuff has stopped the last week since that Thanksgiving game and the injuries. Jamack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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So there's a pretty large bottom. Those teams are all gone in the playoffs. And there's going to be a bunch of teams that finish with seven or eight wins. They're not going to make the playoffs either. It's going to be the best coaches and the best quarterbacks and the margins get very thin. So playing quarterback at a high level in the fourth quarter quarter is really, really important. Brady was the best I've ever seen at it. Montana was amazing.

John Elway was amazing. Mahomes is amazing. And here is Brady talking about all the next. narrow wins the Chiefs have picked up this year on late game execution. I just think the Chiefs are so dangerous because if it's a one-score game in the fourth quarter and Patrick has the ball, he just, he's incredible. He's so dangerous because then he has four downs late in the game where you've got to stop him for four downs, not three. Patrick is going to manage the game so well. He's going to throw to the open guy when it's there.

He's got Travis out there that is going to make the right. decisions and the big moments like we've seen time and time again. So they have a group of players. That organization does so many things the right way. It's a lot like the teams that I played for at the Patriots. If you were going to beat us, man, you had to beat us. We weren't going to beat ourselves. And you had to out-execute them in the fourth quarter.

So here's what's funny about fourth quarters. For years and years, a lot of it's mythology. Tony Romo is a bad fourth quarter of quarterback. No, he's not. He was great. But the Cowboys are high profile. He had a couple of bad picks in high profile games, and he was labeled a bad late-game quarterback. He was actually excellent.

One of the better fourth quarter of quarterbacks I can remember. You know, another thing. Oh, Matt Ryan's Super Bowl. Matt Ryan was a great fourth quarter come from behind quarterback. He's got 38 fourth quarter comeback wins. But the Super Bowl. High profile game. He's no good late.

Matt Ryan was a great fourth quarter quarterback. You know who's not good? Aaron Rogers. All time, 22 fourth quarter comebacks. Well, that's because he always led. No, Russell Wilson has 32 and he led too. Aaron's total mythology. You've seen it this year like six different times.

Bo Nicks this year is a better fourth quarter quarterback than Aaron Rogers. Aaron's was always built on a couple of big plays. The Jared Cook completion against the Cowboys on the sideline, one of the great top ten throws of all time. And it's, oh, Aaron's magic. No, he's not. It's not. He has fewer fourth quarter comebacks than Ryan Tannehill.

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It's fault that Washington's beat Chicago and Hail Mary? Is that Caleb Williams' fault? He wasn't on the field. But it is interesting. There's always this mythology about who. Tony Romo, he's a terrible. Nope, he was a great fourth quarterback. Matt Ryan, because he lost a Super Bowl.

Matt Ryan was a great fourth quarterback. Aaron Rogers, because of that Jared Cook, Dallas performance. Oh, he's terrific. He's actually not very good at all. In my lifetime, the four quarterbacks five quarterbacks in my lifetime, who I consider the all-time best late-game quarterbacks,

Elway, Montana, Brady, Mahomes. That's it, four. And I'm not saying there's not other guys that are really good, but those four jump out to me. Mahomes, Brady, Joe Montana, and John Elway. And so, now, now you say, oh, with Jaden Daniels. Well, remember, because you're great at Hail Mary's. Does it make you great fourth quarter?

I mean, Jaden, Daniels, We have a very small sample. I mean, again, I think Jaden is really, really good. And this is not perfectly linear. Like Stafford is a better fourth quarterback. I'm going to say that Jaden Daniels. But he doesn't have a Hail Mary this year, and that goes a long way. But just be careful about lumping guys into categories that don't really fit.

The data will tell you who's great late. You know, Russell Wilson for years and years in Seattle. Remember Russell Wilson's brand was the Rainbow Late Throws in Games. Well, he's done the same in Pittsburgh. So I think you can definitively say that Russell Wilson is a very, very good crisis quarterback late in games. I've seen it in Pittsburgh, and I saw it in Seattle. I think that's fair to say. Matt Ryan, who by the way is a very good broadcaster, by the way, getting better every week.

He's really good. Matt Ryan, to me, the Super Bowl tagged him as a bad late game quarterback. and I always thought he was excellent. I thought Matt Stafford, though he didn't win a lot, in Detroit was very good late. And now in Los Angeles, where he has a chance because he got better components around him and a better coach, Matt Stafford's a very good fourth quarter quarterback.

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