The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Cowboys have fallen

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

Colin can hardly believe who the Cowboys have reportedly decided will be their new head coach and outlines how far this once proud franchise has fallen Colin believes Commanders QB Jayden Daniels is the Patrick Mahomes of the NFC Thoughts on the drama between the Heat and Jimmy Butler  He also talks to new Bears head coach Ben Johnson about his decision to take the job in Chicago and working with quarterback Caleb WilliamsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Had them on the show before. knows his stuff. You as a former hardworking journalist boots on the ground know how hard it is to get scoops. Clarence Hill doesn't say stuff unless it's true. This is shocking. Here we go. The Cowboys look for them to cross the finish line and hire Brian Schottenheimer possibly today. That is settling. We are watching the fall of a great American institution. he's not even interviewing for other jobs nothing against him nice guy three jobs five seasons

never been a head coach never really been a top candidate for a head coach but jerry likes him he's bounced around the league again dad was a legend nice guy but seven and ten football teams don't move off a coach and then hire the offensive coordinator who didn't call plays i've never even heard of that

I mean, in any industry, you do not let good people leave the building, right? Like, we all know. Like Liam Cohen is this kid at Tampa, the resurrection of Baker Mayfield. He went and interviewed for the Jacksonville job. He said, no, thank you. He was such a good candidate. The owner of Jacksonville fired the general manager who couldn't close the deal. He goes back to Tampa and they're going to make him the highest paid coordinator in the league offensively.

Or Ben Johnson, who's going to show up 25 minutes on our show. He was like the leading candidate for. for four jobs. Brian Schottnheimer wasn't a candidate for any other job. I looked at his bio this morning. Lateral moves, entire career, college pro.

What are we doing? Elite employees don't make lateral moves. Maybe at the end of their career, but not at the beginning and middle. I mean, watch Vegas react to this. So it just illustrates the directionless state of the Cowboys Mike McCarthy a Super Bowl winning coach

to Dion Sanders a very promising college coach to an offensive coordinator in the building for a 7 and 10 team that didn't call plays what are we doing Dallas Cowboy fans I'm not overreacting here

you would become the Jaguars you are lost at sea Jaguars can't find a coach none of the top candidates are interested Cowboys now handing the keys to somebody who's not a candidate for anybody else. You know, it's funny, Troy Aikman had said a couple weeks ago, I don't think it's a coveted job, and he made a really interesting point last week on the fact that most coaches, you know,

they want to bring in their people to build their culture, and can you do that in Dallas? As far as a coveted job, I don't know that that's accurate. I think most football people that take over as a head coach, they want to do it on their terms. That's fair. That's hard to do. And it's, you know, if you take a Dan Campbell, for instance, is Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell, if he's with the Dallas Cowboys? It's hard to imagine that he is.

It's hard to imagine that a lot of these coaches might be. No, Dan Campbell wouldn't have the power and the control of the locker room and probably a say upstairs in personnel. I mean, McVeigh's got power with the Rams. Shanahan does in San Francisco. Belichick did. Andy Reid doesn't want it but could have it. You are watching the fall of a great American brand, a sports brand. I said this.

If it was not for LeBron James, this would have been the Lakers the last five years. Family members in the building, two and. insular, not enough outside voices. I mean, I said, when the season started, I said the Cowboys will not make the playoffs, Washington will, and they're going to start regressing. I didn't think it was this. And this is nothing against the coach. But this is somebody that's making lateral moves.

It's not up for other jobs. This is incredible. I mean, this morning when this came down, I'm speechless. I don't even know what to say with this. You are now the Cowboys as America's number one sports brand. You know, I might as well just give that to the Packers. Give that to the Kansas City Chiefs. Hand it over.

It's over. It's done. You're no longer America's team. I watch CJ Stroud. Are you Texas's team? I'm not sure. Wow. All right.

It's going to take a while to digest. Ben Johnson, bottom of the hour, new Bears coach. So I saw this. I want to talk about Jaden Daniels, who is now playing for the right to go to the Super Bowl, which does not make any sense. But what makes even less sense is a statistic from this regular season. He has one elite weapon and a below average roster.

Jaden Daniels in Washington had the highest fourth down conversion rate in the regular season. I had of Josh Allen, who was second, Patrick Mahomes third, and the Eagles who have Sequin Barclay, Jalen Hertz, A.J. Brown, and the best offensive line in the game. That makes no sense. And I was thinking about this. If you go back 10 seasons, just a decade,

the AFC had three icons, legends at quarterback, Brady, Peyton Manning, and Big Ben. And you're thinking to yourself, man, when these guys leave, how do you replace them? I mean, the NBA has been searching for the next MJ for 20 years. And yet here we are today in the AFC with Mahomes, Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Burrow.

Those are first ballot guys. Those are first ballot hall fame guys. I'm not even going to get to the second tier guys who are pretty good. You've got your Brady, your manning your big bent. They replaced them because college football, what they provide for the NFL is so much deeper and more talented than what college basketball provides to the NBA. But I was thinking the NFC has been different. If you go to the last 10 Super Bowl teams in the NFC, you have 10 different quarterbacks.

It's a bunch of guys who you have to say, well, well, if Jordan Love wasn't as reckless, or if Matt Stafford was younger, and I like Jared Goff if the O-Lines ride, and Brock Purdy needs the right coach. In the AFC, it's different. And I really believe that Jaden. Daniels is the Mahomes of the NFC. That the pecking order will start with him starting next year. I really believe that. I don't think it's a reach.

I don't think it's hyperbolic. I think he's the Mahomes. That from this point forward, people will slot behind. Now, Caleb Williams with Ben Johnson, maybe a 1A. He could get really close. But I don't know if I've ever seen anything like this this early. The fact of the matter that a rookie with a average O line that is now missing their best offensive lineman against Philly this weekend. And one weapon, Terry McLaurin, was the best fourth down team in football. Better than Lamar Jackson, better than Stafford, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Kelsey is a remarkable feat.

Yesterday, Tom Brady was on the show. And I asked him, what do you see that is special? Some players need production to become confident. Some people become confident before they have any production. That's a great trait to have as an athlete. Before you walk on the field, you're confident. You don't need to complete your first five passes to become confident. And I think that's what I see in a young Jane Daniels.

The AFC has been rock stars at quarterback at the top. The NFC's mostly been really good band members. and I think Jaden Daniels will change that. All right, we go back to the Dallas Cowboys, according to Clarence Hill, are hiring either today or tomorrow, Brian Schottenheimer, and I've said this for a long time,

been doing this over 25 years. If you want to know if something is good for your franchise, ask yourself, what are your rivals saying? What do you think Philadelphia is saying today about Brian Schottenheimer is a new coach? From McCarthy to maybe Dionne, to the coordinator who didn't call place.

I don't want to attack him. It's just the bio's out there. This just, he was not interviewing for other jobs. I mean, we all knew Harbaugh last year, top candidate. Vrable this year, top candidate. Ben Johnson, he's the new Wiz Kid. He's the new DiMico Ryans that everybody's talking about. Liam Cohen was on that space.

Wow. Jemak, what do you make of it? Let me just ask you. What do you make of it? It smells like 5 and 12 next year for Dallas, basically, right? I don't know what Schottenheimer did this year. If he didn't call plays, the offense wasn't dynamic. The defense kept them in games after DAC went down.

I saw nothing from this Cowboys offense. And now you're going to kind of promote him to head coach? It's a tough day. We've got to get Michael Irvin on the horn. He was all excited for Dion, remember? He was like, oh, Dion, maybe. Well, I'll say this. I didn't know how Dion would do.

And we don't really know how a lot of people are going to do, not named Vrable or Harbaugh. I mean, Mike McCarthy would win somewhere. McCarthy, maybe he ends up in Jacksonville. That's great for Trevor Lawrence, actually. But my take is, Dion was exciting. Like it or not, I mean, in Chicago, they're doing backflips for Ben Johnson. They're going crazy in Chicago.

And they should. It's exciting. You watch the Lions at all the trick plays and the clever stuff. Dion was exciting. There was hope and optimism. This feels like settling. Yeah. The only good news for Dallas is, you know, Nick Siriani is still in the division.

They're not firing him. even if they lose this game. I think there's still some question about what's going on with Dayball and the Giants. We don't know if they're going to be good. But Washington's humming. Yeah, Washington is... And Jane is... Who were they humming with, by the way?

Oh, Dan Quinn is their head coach. Where was he last year? In the building. Oh, he was at Dallas. I totally forgot about them, yeah. It's... Wow. This is...

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great rates, none of the bull. Ben Johnson, Bears, new coach. I just saw the second youngest active head coach in the NFL. Only Mike McDonald will be younger. You're seeing this all over the place. You're seeing it in college. You're seeing it in pro. Young people are crushing.

You know, it's funny. We're seeing more great young candidates. And I say this. Be careful about pushing the Pete Carrolls out the door. You look at the last six Super Bowls. Five have been won by Andy Reed, Bruce Ariens, and Bill Belichick. I've always said this. I like my pilots and my surgeons to have gray hair. But I do think what you're finding now, and I find this with my kids, my kids are a lot smarter

than I was at their age. And I do think you get Sean McVeves and Mike McDaniel and Ben Johnson. And I don't know if it's the internet. I don't know if it's analytics, but they're sharp and they know a lot at a very early age. It's very exciting. I know I spent a lot of time in Chicago and I'll tell you, they're going crazy. This is the coach that the Chicago, fans wanted. And he'll be joining us in a couple of minutes. You know, it's interesting. Caleb Williams is a guy that can leave the pocket,

and he's electric. And it's interesting. Mahomes does the same thing. And Brady came on our show yesterday, Tom Brady, and talked about what these mobile quarterbacks are doing, and they're sort of, are they playing football or are they playing the rulebook? When quarterbacks become running backs and they're out of the pocket, they should lose their protection.

and we are, in essence, we're trying to say, we're trying to protect the quarterbacks, but coaches are calling more quarterback runs than ever in the history of the game. If you're running with the ball, you should protect yourself. If you don't want to get hit, you can go down, you can run out of bounds, but you can't, in essence, have the defensive player come in at half speed, and then you run over the defensive player because he's afraid of getting a penalty. Yeah, and so it's a little bit of an NBA issue. problem where you have something

and the fans don't like it and it does feel like manipulation and you know the Mahalmesis will get the scramble yards and the first down and they'll slide late and then they'll get the penalty and it's like wait this doesn't feel fair for the defensive player so I think you have to do what baseball did

baseball had a time problem and these guys would get into the batters box and they would preen and they would have these quirky sort of habits and Major League Baseball said yeah that's going to end today no more of that now. And it ended in a week.

They complained ended in a week. I think you have to eliminate, I think once a quarterback leaves the pocket, and you just tell everybody, you're a running back, it'll end really quickly. It just does not take that many hits from Will Anderson. Michael Vick once told me,

it was an Atlanta Falcon. He said, you know, I went on the road, and I got hit by, I think, like London Fletcher, and he's like, yeah, I'm kind of done doing that running thing. I'm going to stay in the pocket. more. And, you know, listen, there are guys like Big Ben in his prime or Josh Allen in his prime. They're just bigger than defensive players. But I would say Big Ben aged really quickly at the end, and Cam Newton aged really, really quickly in the middle of his career. And they took too many hits.

I think Josh Allen, I think the Buffalo Bills have been very smart to kind of take away the Superman cape from Josh Allen outside the pocket. They've done a really good job as an organization. because it's hard to ask Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hertz or Josh Allen say, hey, no more running for first downs. If your first two guys are covered and you've been successful your whole life running, they're going to run. Well, Holmes is interesting. He doesn't run in the first half, in my opinion, as much as he seems to do in big games in the second half. So it's more of a necessity. But there is a sense that he's sort of manipulating the rules.

And I thought baseball, all I heard before baseball put in that pitch clock, oh, oh. Baseball union, people going to complain. Baseball said, yeah, get over it. And in a week, baseball was more fun to watch and faster. So I just think you have to just say, you leave the pocket, you're running back. Here's the line of scrimmage. Now you're Seek Juan Barclay. And you give, because I agree with Brady here, the quarterbacks are getting everything.

They're getting the scramble yards. They get a slide. And sometimes then without even a helmet to helmet, they get a penalty yard. Well, I would do it too. I would manipulate it. So, I mean, we all know when we get on the freeway. we can drive seven miles an hour faster than the speed limit. There's manipulation of all laws and rules to a degree,

and we know that in the NFL as well. Bill Belichick for years had his cornerbacks wear gloves that were the same color as the opponent so they could grab and clutch more. But this feels because it's the quarterback, it's the star, it's the most important position, that it feels like a little bit of manipulation toward the rules. So, you know, that's where we're at. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. lose. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start with Peyton Manning. Remember how legendary he was as a quarterback? Well, he had playoff struggles similar to Lamar Jackson early in their career. And another quarterback who has yet to make a Super Bowl is Josh Allen. And with the MVP candidate, just a game away from the Super Bowl, Peyton Manning has given him some advice saying, Josh is doing all the right things. I think he's truly having fun. So I'd say it.

relax and let it come to him. Don't make that press and stress and force balls in the coverage. Let it come to him. I never feel that he's anxious. I have felt it and seen it with Peyton Manning and Lamar Jackson. Early in their careers. I've never seen it with Josh. I've never felt he's nervous or anxious.

I felt he's so gifted he tries to extend a play he shouldn't. Like Mahomes, I've never sensed nerves. Jalen hurts I don't sense nerves. Joe Burrow, I don't. It's more erratic. It's more like, listen, I've run over guys my whole life. I'm going to try it. A couple years ago, he had a red zone interception issue.

I never feel it's nerves ever with Josh Allen. Look at these stats. Listen, again, it's just early in their career. First 12 playoff starts. Josh Allen has been better than Peyton by a considerable amount. Yeah, I never feel it's nerves with him. And by the way, everybody's different. I never felt nerves with Tiger or Phil Mickelson.

Mickelson just took too many risks. I felt nerves with other golfers. The weird part is I don't know that the chiefs are going to be able to stop Josh Allen and the bill could still lose because that defense, Colin, I mean, you just watch a Raven slice and dice them up and down the film. I think we forget how good the Chiefs are. At the top of the hour in 35 minutes,

I'm going to take both the Bills and the Chiefs rosters. You know what I do before? Oh, the top 10 players. Yeah, so I take before huge games, like the NBA finals. I'm going to take the top 10 players of the Eagles commanders. It's pretty predictable. And the Bills and Chiefs. Huh.

And I think you'll be surprised by the Bills' Chiefs. I just think you'll be surprised. I think we look at Buffalo as an assortment of great players, and I'm just very interested to see your reaction in 35 minutes. Okay. Next up is over to the NFC, where the commanders are the surprise entrant in the NFC championship game. Just one win away from the Super Bowl with a rookie quarterback. Early in the season, Washington lost to Tampa,

and Dan Quinn said that loss in the season opener helped fuel their run. That happened in the opening game. I felt dismissive, hey man, hang you. in there. It's going to be a long time. I was like, hey, F you know, like, that's not how it's going to go down. And I was upset, but it wasn't disrespect. It was dismissiveness. It's not a prove it to everybody else or underdog stories. You know, it's how we get down. Yeah, I'll say this again. We are really lucky in the media and as football fans in America to have Jaden Daniels. We have, we may be found our next Steve Young, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Bahambs.

I know it sounds hyperbolic, but I know my eyes. My eyes are telling me this kid is just different. So, you know, we talked in. Quinn was with the Cowboys for a few years, and he desperately wanted to be a head coach again. And remember he was interviewing a bunch of places? Yes, yes. And he didn't end up taking anything.

Ultimately, he settles on the commanders after Ben Johnson said no to him. And they land Jaden Daniels. And now Dan Quinn looks like he could be on a trajectory to be back to being a great. great coach. Well, a lot of it. Life is timing. Life is timing. You know what? Dan Quinn was going to succeed somewhere. He's too good of a coach. Yeah, like if he had gone to Jacksonville, he'd be on the unemployment line. If he had gone to Chicago. Yeah. Probably same situation. Now,

Atlanta and Washington, amazing. Final story, Colin, is, this is a little speculative. The Titans have the number one pick in the draft in April, and everybody's pegging them for a quarterback. I had Cam Ward in my mock draft. Yeah. Adam Schaefter said on a radio show, Adam Schefter of ESPN, that the Titans are looking at Penn State's Abdul Carter, the pass rusher, or Colorado's Travis Hunter. On top of that, Schaefter added, the Titans aren't locked in on taking a quarterback. This is kind of sort of stunning. I don't know if this is just, you know, folks saying stuff or planting stuff. I'm going to tell you my strong opinion.

The best football player I saw in college football this year was either Abdul Carter or the receiver from Arizona. Those are the two best football players. Ashton Genty, huh, Boise? This is a great running back draft. I'm just telling you, Abdul Carter and the receiver for Arizona are the two best players. I talk to two GMs. I think Mason Graham is very good at Michigan, but he's not that good. J-Mack with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. All right, Ben Johnson's been waiting patiently. All my friends in Chicago are freaking out. They got their guy, Ben Johnson's new coach of the Chicago Bears. And this is what the city wanted. This is what the team wanted.

They interviewed 17 people, but you were the hot candidate this year. You know, and it's interesting, Sean McVeigh, because now you're the second youngest coach in the league. So when McVeigh arrived, we didn't know who he was. We knew all about you. We saw your playbook the last three years. Before we talk about the Bears, what you did is remarkable. What Detroit did is unbelievable. Ben, I got gray hair.

I'm 60. I haven't seen Detroit win my entire life. What is the one thing in Detroit? because this is a little bit of a rebuild too that you're going to take from the Lions and you have no problem saying that was really effective I'm taking this to Chicago,

culture, coaching, whatever. Yeah, listen, I learned so much with my time with Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes and those guys and ultimately it came down to the identity that they established in Detroit was all about grit, being able to handle adversity and fighting through the tough times.

And that's what that started with. year one and you saw it come to fruition again this year with all the injuries that that team faced and being able to still fight through it and come away with 15 wins the division title and the number one seat so end of the day this league it's going to knock you down and you got to get back up that mindset and mentality it'll carry over here to Chicago it's not going to be said exactly the same way I'm not Dan Campbell It's going to be my own spin on it, but really that identity of those terms will still apply here as well. So Garrett Goff is more of a pocket quarterback. Caleb can do anything, pocket outside.

So, you know, you've got 200 plays, 300 plays at your disposal. There are some things you'll take from Detroit. You're obviously smart and clever and you're not adverse to risk. But does it feel a little bit as a consumer of your offense? is it a new offense or do you take bits and pieces of it because you have a different person playing the position and a different skill set? It remains to be seen. I don't know Caleb like that quite yet,

but I'm really encouraging what I've seen on tape from him so far from this season. On the opposing sideline, I certainly felt his presence out there. He's got an abundance of talent. I can't wait to get to work with him, but obviously he is a different player and has a different side. skill set than Jared did and I'll be I'll be excited to see what direction we go it's going to morph it's not going to look the same as what it did in Detroit there are a lot of elements that I do believe in we want the same things look different different things look the same multiplicity

we want the defense on their heels and guessing at all times but at the end of the day Caleb's going to really dictate the direction that this offense goes and what we end up looking like Ben, it took years for the Lions to build the best offensive line in football. It was through the draft. And listen, I've always had a theory in the NFL. Number one, find a quarterback. Number two, protect him. Worry about the weapons and stuff later.

You've got to protect him. It's the insurance policy. Colts couldn't do that with Andrew Luck. He retired early. The O line last year regressed for Chicago. How do you make an O line? It's possible significantly better. Is it play calling?

Changing protections. Is it the draft? Is it free agency? Because that's pretty obvious. The O-line has to get better quickly. How do you do that? There's no doubt. It's all the above.

It's everything you just said. Listen, we'll be in the player acquisition phase here soon, whether it's free agents, draft picks. We'll look to improve the talent level within that room. We're going to find an excellent offense-aligned coach that will coach these guys up with the vision that we have in mind here for the offense. And listen, we're going to set a high bar and a high-bar. standard and frankly we're expecting to come through for us at the end of the day

play calling yeah it's gonna it's gonna say it's gonna have a say in what this looks like here in the fall but end of the day we're gonna take all avenues that we possibly can to get this offensive line going to help Caleb to help the run game and that's what we need in this division particularly we play outdoors we need to be able to run the ball in January and December some coaches want a say in personnel. McVeigh likes to have a little bit of a say, Shanahan. There are other guys, Andy Reid, kind of lets Brett Veach do it. Do you like, I mean, some coaches are, Jimmy Johnson was unbelievable at it.

He could have been a GM. Parcells similarly, very strong. Sean Payton, are you a personnel guy too, or is that, hey, you give me the players, I'll figure out the football. How much say in personnel do you like? Man, I tell you what, that's what appealed to me so much about this job was the trust I have in Ryan, he's brought in a ton of talented players already. This roster is just overflowing on offense and defense with some great players,

great character built in. I really love that about it as well. And so I'm excited to get to work with him. I wouldn't say I'm one way or the other. I really believe that we're going to be aligned and we'll as a coaching staff give Ryan a great vision of what we're looking for at each position and what we want for a Chicago bear to be moving forward. And listen, I'm just excited to be able to work with him every step of the way here.

Who's your coaching mentor? Who is it? There's a billion of them. I've had so many. Mike Sherman, early in my career, really, really show me the ways of the NFL. You know, Dan Campbell, I would say, is not just a friend, but he has been a great mentor, but in a different way. I've had a number of great influences from a leadership perspective, but also a schematic as well.

So I can't put my finger on just one man. It's been a number of guys. It's really been a compilation of everything that I've experienced so far in my career. You are up for like every job. Your name was mentioned. Every single one. Why the Bears? This place is special.

I felt that on the interview. I felt that with the people on there, George McCasky, Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, the rest of the search committee. I felt really confident in their vision and their direction for the franchise going forward. It was something I wanted to be a part of. I've spent time in Chicago. I know what a great sports town this is. I want desperately to be successful here in football so that they can thrive and they have a team that they're proud of going to the games too. So that played a huge factor of it.

It was the people. It was the place. And as I said before, as a competitor, as a competitor, I love this division. There is so many good teams and good coaches and good players in this division. Honestly, as a competitor, I did not want to leave it. This is what I want to go against. You know, when you have somebody that can do so many things off script, and most offensive coaches come in, 10, 12 plays, let's get the ball rolling,

let's take a lead, let's see, let's catch them, element of surprise. prize. And that's what almost all you guys do. I'd watch Detroit games. I could tell within 12 plays, what you saw as a weakness, what you saw as a strength. And then you have Caleb who can do so much off script. What is the line when you're an offensive coach from here's the script and why don't you, I'm going to let you make a decision on this. Is there a line in that communication with Caleb is, hey, this is going to be your discretion on some of these plays? Yeah, listen, there's going to be a balancing factor that we've got to work through. Part of his superpower coming out of USC, though, was his ability to create and extend plays.

And we don't want to take that away from him. So it'll be clear what the structure is of the passing game, what the progressions are. And ultimately, if the guys aren't open, one, two, three, and the pocket's breaking down, we're going to encourage him to extend the play and go ahead and use that superpower and create explosive plays that way. haven't necessarily been a part of that in my past. So I'm really excited to see what that looks like and how that all comes together for us here. Ben Johnson, by the way, the Lions led the NFL in play action. Bears weren't near the bottom.

So as you talked about, the O-line and a run game in cold weather is essential. Matt LaFleurr's always understood that in Green Bay. You're outside. It's cold. Green Bay went out and got an expensive great running back, and they became a power football team. And I agree with you. The weather, I mean, Baltimore, by the way, Buffalo with James, Cook, these cold weather teams, Seattle and Marshawn Lynch, where I grew up, it's not just a

myth. Cold weather teams run the ball. I mean, it's funny. Kansas City got rid of the great Tyreek Hill. They've won back to back. And it's like, how is that possible? So when I listen to you, the one thing I think you're going to take from Detroit listening to you is you're going to run the ball. This can't just be quarterback-centric. Listen, the number one deciding factor of winning and losing games right now is quarterback success and quarterback efficiency. But the best way you can help that for a young player especially is to have a great running game. And so, listen, that's something that we are going to hang our hat on. We'll see how well we improve up front. I like the backs that we already have on the roster and we can certainly look to augment that position group as well. But

it's going to start there and it's going to take everybody, not just those two. We need great tight ends blocking. We need our perimeter players willing to block down the field so that we can spring long runs. And that's something that we've been able to encourage and get done in my past. So I'm looking forward to bringing that here to Chicago

as well. Ben Johnson, new Bears coach. People are happy in a great American city. Ben, thanks for stopping by the herd. I appreciate it. Thank you, Colin. All right. So there you go. Yeah, I mean, if you really look, we talk about this all the time. Go look at what Baltimore does. Let's go get

Derek Henry. And you look at Buffalo. They've gotten better since they add James Cook. And Matt LaFleur is like, oh, let's go get Josh Jacobs. Ooh, that's a very expensive running back. When you're playing outdoors, the best Seattle teams, you had Russell Wilson running around and Marshaun Lynch in the backfield. It's just, I mean, John Elway, as great as he was, he gets real cold. Thanksgiving on in Denver, Elway's best teams, Terrell Davis, not throwing the ball down the field. So good stuff. We take a break. Greg Cosell is stopping by today. Greg CoSell top of the hour on Thursday. Yesterday, I can admit, I did not know it was Wednesday until after the show.

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Our basketball culture is get them paid, kind of coddling, AAU, maybe a year of college. You could sign a second NBA contract by the time you're 22 years old. And so I think older NBA players can struggle with the reality of who they are. An old baseball player or an old football player, they often just retire, and they still have some game left, but they come to terms with who they are at this age. In basketball, it's very hard. Remember when Carmelo Anthony went to Oklahoma City, and he was at that point, like, he was aging and a defensive liability and couldn't hit threes, and you remember this press conference?

How do you feel about starting at the four or the concept of starting at the four or even coming off the bench? And the second question is... Who me? I guess that answers that part. I mean, I don't know where that started, when I came from. Hey, Pete, they said I got to come off the bench. Yeah, it wasn't long after that. He came off the bench.

Jimmy Butler is acting and behaving badly because he wants a new deal in Miami and Jimmy Butler has made the All-Stars twice in seven seasons and that's in the weaker conference and he's been hurt a lot and he's been a great player but he's not getting a new deal and that's just the way it is no titles no MVP's year 14 lot of injuries

and I like him now not all old players age the same Steph Curry would have a vibrant market. LeBron James would have a couple of teams. But now you're getting Jimmy being a bit of a locker room problem on top of this. And I just, in my lifetime, I have seen this. The heat had to suspend Jimmy Butler for two days, two games because of what's happening here. And I look at older NBA player. I mean, I could go, I'm not picking on mellow.

It's just that sound bite was really ironic because it wasn't long after that. He was a bench player. Like he didn't hit threes. He wouldn't defend. He didn't elevate others. He was just gifted offensively. And I think sometimes one of the great things, like hard parenting, creates an armor on your kids.

They're more resilient. And the NBA basketball culture and the AAU culture is just a, hey, let's get the guy paid. Let's not tick the player off. Even the NBA media tends to feel like they're sort of protecting the play. players. NFL media is brutal on players. But the difference is you have a greater self-awareness or understanding of sort of what you are as your age. And I like Jimmy Butler. But I think unless there's a really bad GM out there, he's not getting another huge contract.

Injuries, the league's getting younger, it's getting bigger. It's just the reality of his career. I saw this story. I said this yesterday. And at the top of the hour, Greg Kossel stops by. It's going to be a really good segment. I'm also going to take the Washington-Filadelphia game and give you, in order, in my opinion, the top best players, Chiefs Bill, same thing. And through the years, I've done that because it gives me in a World Series, I'll do that, in the Super Bowl, I'll do that, in the NBA finals, I will do that. It gives me some sense of, you know, let's just put it down on paper. I heard a psychologist the other day saying, if you want things to happen in your life, I've been doing this for years.

I had no idea it worked, but I just did it for me because this is, I'm old school. I write down things I want to accomplish and I say them out loud. And I tell my kids to do this all the time. Go home, yellow pad, write it down, say it over and over, kind of manifest it in your head. Stuff tends to work out when you can see it, when you can speak it, when you can visualize it. And I was watching a psychologist about this. And the point being is you can speak things to some degree into truth. And I'm looking at this story that Aaron Glenn, they're saying, what is Aaron?

Aaron Glenn, the new Jets coach, what's it mean for Aaron Rogers? And the New York Jets need to take a piece of paper and write it down that the things that really matter for the next three years. And Aaron's not one of them. Okay, he's like the 15th best quarterback in the league. It is augmenting your O line. Garrett Wilson, start making him happy. Find the quarterback of the future. This is not a shot at Aaron Rogers.

But it's the same thing with the Atlanta Falcons coming into this year, whether or not Kirk Cousins would have ended the season strongly or not. If you write down three or four or five or six things for the Atlanta Falcons, panics and protecting him and elevating him is number one, not the older quarterback. So the Jets have a really good roster. The Jets have to get some continuity and scouting and general managing. But this idea now for the last several years, on that yellow sheet of paper, they put Aaron number one.

Is Aaron happy? Let's get Aaron what he wants. Let's get him a receiver. The position of quarterback is important to the Jets. The player isn't. And you just got to get over it. Not only is Aaron not Mahomes, he's not Justin Herbert, he's not C.J. Stroud. At this point, he's not as valuable as Baker Mayfield is to Tampa.

So get that yellow sheet out in New York. Aaron can't be in your top five. And that's not a shot. That's the reality. Kirk Cousins can't be in your top five in Atlanta. I don't care that Aaron played better down the stretch than Kirk, because Kirk played better early than Aaron. It doesn't matter.

Manifested. New York has spent two years putting Aaron on the top of that yellow piece of paper. Is Aaron happy? What about this coach? What about this player? What about this acquisition? Those days are over. So it doesn't matter what Aaron Glenn thinks.

What matters is how Aaron Glenn is going to create some chemistry and cohesion in the locker room because it felt splintered last year. That we can't deny. All right. Top of the hour, Greg Kossel. The story that broke at the, top of the hour and it's just jaw-dropping

to me. Clarence Hill is reporting a very legitimate reporter. Been doing this for 20 plus years. They're going to hire Brian Schottenheimer as the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. He was not interviewing as a head coach for other jobs. He has had several lateral

moves. Five years, three jobs. They like him in the building. That I understand. But he didn't call plays last year. Not exactly sure how much he can be connected or credited for their offense, I, you know what, maybe this is one of the reasons Mike McCarthy left.

He felt the heat from the Jones family and their affection for Brian Schottnheimer. But we've gone from Mike McCarthy to Dion Sanders to Brian Schottenheimer in the course of a week. And that's not the right direction. From a Super Bowl trophy to a promising young, former superstar player, to a guy that's had three jobs five years.

It feels like the fall of an American. institution, the Dallas Cowboys. Hey guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

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