The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Eagles dominated

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Colin reacts to a dominating Eagles win over the Chiefs to capture the Super Bowl Why it's easy to cheer for Eagles QB Jalen Hurts   Guest: LeSean McCoySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. J-MAC, by any standards, this was not one of the more memorable Super Bowl. Unless your favorite colors green, unless you're the Philadelphia Eagles. I know. You love the Eagles. That is totally understood. Let's go, baby.

Woo! Yeah. Eagles. Well, there are a lot of angles on this. I will say this. It's the only Super Bowl I've ever watched, where there were four MVP's minimum. Howie Roseman, the general manager,

Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator, Jalen Hertz, the quarterback who won it for the Eagles, and the entire defensive line. It was so dominating, it has to have a ripple effect on the Dallas Cowboys and the Niners, and the Rams and the Packers and how they draft. Does it not?

Like, how do you block that? I mean, it was really, really good during the regular season. What was that? I mean, we talk quarterbacks all the time on the show, yet Philly humiliated Patrick Mahomes. They could not block the Eagles. I mean, Sequin Barclay was almost irrelevant. The tush push was his most activity.

The D-Line, the total defense. It makes Nick Seriani this morning look like Belichick. Philadelphia's GM has and uses all the levers, drafting, trading, free agency, and it's a relentless pursuit of excellence. Very good is not good enough. Look at their two picks. One is a rookie. Another one is a transformed special teams player.

That is so Howie Roseman. Look at the touchdown passes. One's a Heisman winner. One A.J. Brown comes via a massive trade. The only roster I've seen like this in the last 15 to 20 years was that Seahawk roster when they had a similar quarterback, the elusive Russell Wilson on the rookie contract. And remember, we've seen this before. That Seahawk defense harassed and humiliated another legend Peyton Manning. That's what we watched yesterday.

That was the lowest point for Peyton Manning in his career. Well, yesterday, Mahomes was awful. I mean, there's no shame losing to a great team. But if you look at the box score, that's the most deceiving box score outside of the turnovers I've ever seen for a quarterback. It says Patrick Mahomes, 21 of 32, and a passer rating of 95. That is junk points, junk yards, and junk completions. He had one first down in the first half on the first play. And what was most disappointing is that he never seemed to sort of manipulate the game.

But let's just talk about Philadelphia here. They had more penalty yards than Kansas City than actual yards in the first half. Think about that. The Eagles had more points in the first half than Kansas City actually had yards. It was Peyton Manning facing that Seahawk defense. And we last week, we said, I think this Philadelphia roster is the best since that Seahawk roster. And man, did we say it on display? Now, maybe it was inverse where Seattle, you know,

Remember that Seahawk team? The big win, they're going to do two. And I don't know in what order Philadelphia is going to go. But I just watched a flurry, a defensive line, rookie corners, a game plan, and Mahomes was completely out of sorts. I mean, Philadelphia, this is what we thought they could be at their best. But throughout the course of the season, I can remember in week 8, 9, 10, 11, we're like, there are quarters. They're amazing. But remember early in the year, they couldn't score in the first quarter.

Remember early in the year we're like, man, they have drives. How do they ever punt? But you'd get like two drives a game. They put it all together last night. The GM, the D.C., the quarterback, the O line, the D line. They didn't even need Seyquine Barclay. And here was the young head coach after. This is the ultimate team game.

You can't be great without the greatness of others. And we are great performance by everybody. Offense, defense, special teams. we getting us the guys, our coaching staff, these great players. We didn't really ever care what anyone thought about how we won, or their opinions. All we want to do is win. So let's talk Patrick Mahomes. For the record, he's now just three and two in Super Bowls.

And Tom Brady lost three of them by a total combined 15 points. Patrick Mahomes has lost two, and the point. differential is minus 40, and he has trailed in all five Super Bowls. And what really disappointed me, he never manipulated the game. He got rattled and frustrated, taken out of his game, and had no second pitch. Tom Brady always found ways, even when he had the second best roster in a Super Bowl, he found ways at the line of scrimmage to manipulate a defense, move the chains, at least be viable in field position. anybody can win, let's be honest, with a full house or pocket aces.

Can you win when you got a pair of sevens? And I felt multiple times in AFC championships or Super Bowls that Brady actually had the second best roster and had to massage it and manipulate it and move the chains with his pre-snap excellence. With Mahomes, two weeks to prepare with Andy Reid, it feels like they had no second pitch. and his special secret power has always been his legs. And once Philadelphia took that away, there was nothing else there.

I don't remember Tom ever trailing 34 to nothing in any game. And in the one Super Bowl where Brady was getting rolled 28 to 3, he came back to win again. Brady had bad plays, bad quarters, a bad half, bad moments. This was just awful. In fact, Brady's biggest Super Bowl loss was the game. that one possession game to the Eagles in which they never punted. So before we get into that silly goat conversation, know that Brady's superpower was the ability when he had the second best roster.

And we never thought, I mean, New England constantly do your job. It's about the team. They moved off really good players. They didn't have a stacked roster. The Randy Moss team felt a little stacked offensively and they never want to ring. But the early Brady and the late Brady and the Tampa Brady was about manipulation. line of scrimmage, moving the chains, often when you had an offensive line that was struggling or under duress or was being overwhelmed.

Two weeks with Andy Reed. I didn't even feel like I got a second pitch. You don't always get a full house. Brady has never been that bad in a big game. And at least when he struggled, and he had picked sixes in Super Bowls, you felt there was a sense he was getting the most out of his roster. If you look at the clear stats now of Mahomes and Brady in Super Bowls, let's be totally honest about this. Brady is elite.

Patrick's passer rating is mid-80s. That's what it is. 86.9. 10 touchdowns, seven picks. That's with two weeks to prepare, and that's with Andy Reid. And again, nobody's denying Philadelphia is stacked. Go ask Peyton Manning about. that Seattle defense. But what's interesting is Brady faced that Seattle defense too.

And he just kept manipulating and manipulating and manipulating. And he trailed and he was behind. And it looked like trouble. But Brady found a way to just get first downs. Eat the clock. Find your little weaknesses, the tiny little crevices against the Seahawks. All Brady had was a pair of seven against him. That's all he had. And he just put his team in a position to win. Yes, yes, yes, he had to rely on Malcolm Butler, but he put his team in position to win. Mahomes couldn't put his team in position to be competitive. I mean, I felt like I was watching the same play over and over and over.

34-0, and I never felt like that with Brady. Here's Mahomes after. That's the beauty of football is that you never can be satisfied with just going out there and playing and thinking you're going to have success year in and year out. These defenses are going to continue to get better and better, and so I have to get better. And so I take a lot of ownership in that. And I want to hopefully come back and play better football.

You know, it's interesting because I had Tom Brady on my show Friday in New Orleans. And we broached this very subject. And it's interesting because, you know, we all know this. There are very few great rosters in the NFL now because of salary cap. You can't do the Pittsburgh Steelers in the mid-70s. Like, you just can't do that. It's hard to do the Joe Montana Bill Walsh 49ers where you're like, I don't think they have any weakness.

That's why what the Seahawks did for that brief time on Russell Wilson's rookie contract, you're like, this is insane. Or like when Brock Purdy's first year, when San Francisco didn't have to pay him because he was a seventh round quarterback and you're like, this isn't fair. Yes, Philadelphia's roster is great. And had they won this, I get it. But there is the art of quarterback. It's not all legs in arms. And Brady talked about this. Tom Brady talked about this Friday on the show.

My last year, in my last Super Bowl was a part of, I was two weeks to watch and film. Friday night, I was just going through the film. I knew Kansas City's defense better than they knew themselves. I had the answers to the test. That's where I was great. That's where my magic superpower was. It wasn't how fast I could run. It was how fast I could diagnose what they were doing.

What's the special quality? What's the internet speed of me as a quarterback? Fast as shit. Yes, he was Starlinked. before Starlink. And that's what disappointed me. It's not losing. There is no shame in losing to Philadelphia.

J. Mack kept telling me all week, that defensive lines trouble. And I kept thinking Joe Tooney, Green Humphreys, they'll be fine. It's Mahomes. It's Andy Offa Bye. But, you know, and this is not to just dump on Mahomes, but he's gotten a lot of praise for years. But watching that game made me realize how great Brady was. Peyton Manning was completely undone by the Seahawks. Brady beat him.

Mahomes was completely undone by the Eagles defense. No, Brady found ways to beat a Seahawk team. Manning great. Mahom's great. That's Brady. A lot of you guys play poker. You can't just win when you have the best hand. It is about constantly bluffing and manipulative.

manipulating and trying to marginalize their best and elevate yours. And I came out of that game thinking, did we ever get how good Tom was? And I'm not saying that, listen, I'm not saying that because he works for the company. But boy, when you watch that game, I felt like Kansas City had the same play and they ran it 28 times. It is what you do before the ball is snapped. It can't just be. Let's see if our left tackle can block him this time. The answer's no for three and a half hours.

J-Mack, good stuff, congratulations. You kept, you know, over the course of the season, we go about 50-50. I'm yelling at you and you're yelling at me, but I could acknowledge yesterday by about the second drive. That early. Well, you know, it's funny. There were parts of that game, and I forget if it was like 17-0, and I'm like, it feels like it's 38-0. And then all of a sudden, the damn breaks. Like, I thought Kansas City's defense did all it could, considering they were, it was three-out, three-and-out, three-and-out.

And Kansas City's defense is essentially really for a half. Maybe half and half a quarter, like they were really doing as good as they could do. But Philadelphia felt like their stuff was mostly working. And when it didn't, the next play did. They just, there is something to be said. I know it's not just talent, but there is something to be said that if I have overwhelming talent and I'm smartly coached and smartly quarterback, it's hard to beat it. I saw a joke that, you know,

Serena Williams participated in the halftime. She did some dance. And I saw a stat that she had more yards than she's had in the first half during the halftime show. I mean, Colin, I know we joke about seeing ghosts in the pocket. You know, I remember the Sam Donald with the Jets. It felt like Mahomes did not know what was going on. He was anticipating pressure on a blitz,

and the Eagles never blitzed all night. Didn't what blitz once. They were getting home before, and he looked totally rattled. I've never seen him that bad. the Super Bowl against the bucks. He was under pressure running for his life. He lost a left tackle late in the season, and I almost gave him a pass on that one.

This is two weeks, Philadelphia. By the way, this Philadelphia team lost to Kirk Cousins early in the year. I mean, if you go back to this Philadelphia team, what's interesting, and this is why football is so great. And baseball has this, too. Be very careful about September and October judging. This Philadelphia team could not score in the first quarter

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Hat on forward. You know, and I get a lot of pushback. But my point being in the bigger picture is it's not just about reading defense. It's about reading the room. and the temperature of the locker room. And I don't think it's any coincidence that Jalen Hertz is the son of two educators. I don't think it's a coincidence that he's the son of a football coach. His temperament, his maturity, he always takes the high road, whether winning a Super Bowl

or getting benched at Alabama. And I think leadership, podium, all this stuff, temperament, self-awareness matters. Forget the passing and running. He is the dictionary of what winning is in the NFL. In his Super Bowl career, his numbers are incredible. 109.5 passer rating. 73% completion percentage. It's almost as if he works out the kinks in the regular season.

That deep ball to Devante Smith was one for the ages. I find him such an easy guy to root for. A second round pick, doubted, bench, had to transfer. He's just, and I've been on this for years, it can't just be about you've got a good arm. It's about as much how you handle adversity being a quarterback as it is how you handle a blitz. And I just think he's a special kid. Real yards in real crisis and the fact that his arguably the two best games he's ever played as a pro have come in Super Bowls.

I don't think it's a coincidence. I think it speaks volumes. I think he's got a great inner scoreboard. He doesn't need to project. He doesn't need to pretend. He's just such a perfect temperament as this sport. And think about Philadelphia. One of the loudest, most relentless, toughest, most demanding medias in the country.

They, I mean, they love their team. Sometimes it's overboard. And here is this quiet, steady rock who plays his best game. in the most distracted loudest moments. They say iron sharpens iron, and he is a Super Bowl anvil. And here he is after. You said after Super Bowl 57,

you sat in the locker room, and you thought to yourself, I'll be back. You got back, and now you're a champion. How does that feel? Personally, myself, I've just been able to use every experience and learn from it. The good, the bad.

all of it using it as fuel to pursue my own greatness and I think I couldn't do any of these things without the guys around me you know we got a we had a special group this year we're able to learn from the past and get some get some nice new pieces and get over that hump there were times he felt like the adult in the room not the head coach which is why this team it's and we've noted this several times they're kind of hard to get your arms around. You've got position coaches firing back at the head coach, but the adult in the room, it's the young quarterback. That's what it feels like. And that's not a shot at Ziriani. He's just highly emotional. And there are advantages, you know, whenever a quarterback falls in the draft,

we lament what an embarrassing situation it is for the quarterback. But I will tell you, falling in the draft and ending up with Howie Roseman as your general manager, has really worked. And I'm saying, this kid in this city and this environment with the intensity of Philadelphia, I did have him in my top ten. I had him ten. I'm going to move him up to six. Good for him.

Easy guy to root for. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Joe Tooney, you couldn't block me last night. He's still ahead of Jalen Hurts. I mean, they were, they were moving. Listen, you know what Kansas City is going to draft.

left. Left tackle. I mean, there's no question what Philadelphia has all sorts of moves they can make. They have a stacked and a full and complete roster. And they're paying everybody and somehow it works. Kansas City has got to get a big time running back and a big time left tackle. It's musical chairs at left tackle and musical chairs in Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Bacheco at running back. It's just not good enough. Remember there was a report to Trey Smith, I believe. The inside lineman is going to get offers from several teams and the chiefs of probably going to have to let them go because it's tough to keep everybody. It's going to be fun offseason for KC. But let's focus on the Eagles, Colin, avenging their Super Bowl 57 loss with a dominant performance against the two-time defending champs.

Now, this is interesting. Ahead of the game, Sean McVeigh was on the Fox pregame and discussed how Nick Siriani does not get enough credit for what he's accomplished. I think he's the most disrespected coach in the league for a guy that's making his second Super Bowl appearance. He's made the playoffs all four years of his tenure. He's got an authentic energy that I think his players feed off of him. There's a toughness. There's a style of play that you see from these guys. That's why they're in this position to be able to go win one tonight.

I think that's two words that are very important. Authentic energy. Because Matt Hasselbeck, who's coming on top of the hour, Hasselbeck loves him, and Hasselbeck's a player. And so a lot of times I'll defer to a player like, what is it with this coach? I don't like the methods. I didn't love the methods initially of Dan Campbell, right? We're like kind of cringy, kind of corny, biting off kneecaps,

but it doesn't matter what the media thinks. It's what your players do. And he can battle with an assistant coach. He can battle with A.J. Brown. But in the end, in this intense environment, it works. You know, I've used a joke all the time. Everybody's got a friend, a couple that they're constantly bickering, and yet they've been married 34 years, and you're like,

man, this is not going to work. And in the end, it's just the family and the love. love and they bicker, and that's part of the love. And with Nick Seriani, I don't think this would work in a lot of places, but in Philadelphia, I think it works. I think you're onto something. My kids were watching the game, and they saw A.J. Brown yell at Siriani. Remember when he came off the field?

He was, like, ticked off. I guess they had a miscommunication with Hertz. And my kids said, whoa, what's going on there? I was like, this is kind of the vibe on the team. Like, he's going to push back against the players. And listen, this is four years now that he's been pretty successful. We got some numbers to post here. Siriani, third highest win percentage by head coach in the Super Bowl era?

Like, Colin, that's pretty damn good. Like, this guy's winning. This isn't a tiny sample size. Four seasons now. I think we need to remove the, hey, if things go sideways, tag from Seriani. Now, now, I think there's also a truth that he has been a little dependent on his coordinators. Like, Sean McVeigh has lost a lot of coordinators. It doesn't matter.

Andy Reid lost a ton of coordinators. It doesn't really matter. Nick lost Shane Steichen, and it was a moment. mess the next year. So he's a little more dependent on coordinators, but to his credit, he and Howie, two out of the three coordinators they picked have been great and worked. They're going to lose Kellynne Moore. It sounds like it's a fate of compil. He's going to New Orleans. And I just will caution before there's any repeat nonsense. The Sequin Barclay, the numbers that he was carrying the football this year are highly significant and they correlate with injury

for running backs. So just, you know, Michelle, with Christian McCaffrey, right? Heavy workload. Next season, what happens? Dinged up. This is a good point by you because, you know, on a day after the Super Bowl, and a Super Bowl blowout, I can remember thinking Seattle's going to win for these things. I mean, if you go back to that Seattle team, they were young and bulldozing Peyton Manning. And you're like, and then all of a sudden, Russell and the team don't feel good. You lose a guy. There's an injury.

What Philadelphia does have, however, because Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl and got run out a couple years later. What Philadelphia does have, so many. good, young, defensive players. So they feel like Kansas City about three years ago, when they moved off Tyree Kill and they hit on a bunch of draft picks on the defensive side, and it's just going to keep you in games if you lose your right tackle, you lose Sequin Barclay. This defense, I mean, Mahomes, there was no room.

In fact, at one point I was watching one of the overhead camera views. These corners for Philadelphia were staying on Kansas City receivers down the field 30 yards. They couldn't get separation 30 yards down the field. Yeah. The only long touchdown was against a backup. Who was in there against Worthy in the final minutes. Next up, Colin, hey, listen, we got to talk about another green team from the Northeast, the New York Jets. And they got absolutely terrific news over the weekend. Jay Glazer reports. Aaron Rogers, the jets are moving on from the embattled QB.

Glazer added that Rogers flew back to Jersey last week on his own dime to meet with the team about his future and they told him, thank you for your service, Aaron. That's a wrap. Glazer insinuated Rogers does want to continue playing. We have some odds for his next team. Listen, the Raiders are plus 200. Mildly interesting.

Steelers plus 300 is a little more interesting. There's apparently, Zach, the producer, tells me that there's a bit of a bromance between Tomlin and Rogers, the history of quotes between the two. I don't see it. I just ran into Chip Kelly over the weekend, who's now the new offensive coordinator with the Raiders. Now, this happened after I ran into Chip.

My guess is, and this is not information I got. I think they'd like to start over at quarterback. I think you pointed this out. I thought Aaron played very well down the stretch, and I did think they'd keep him. But he's about the 15th best quarterback in the league, and that would be fine if you're Kirk Cousins, and there's no drama.

Well, yeah. And you're a great locker room guy and a great teammate. We now have two teams, both the Packers and the Jets dumped Aaron. Aaron did not think he was getting dumped. He flew out east, according to J. Glazer, with the idea, I'm coming back. And they dumped him.

I said no. And Green Bay, after that darkness retreat, he was surprised they dumped him. So Aaron, who has a pension for having to be the smartest guy in the room, lacks a little self-awareness on himself. He has been dumped twice, surprised both times. It's mirror time or it's retirement time. Is this a wake-up call?

Do you think he will see the light? now? No, I think this is what he is. He's unable to. Okay. Yeah, I just, I, but, but it just let's be, we're not taking sides here. Aaron Rogers, two separate times, has been surprised that a team dumped him. If you keep getting dumped to little Russell Wilson here, Aaron never liked Russ, right? Like, hey, he kind of rolls his eyes at it. Russ and Aaron have a lot in common now. Let me give you two more, 49ers or plus 400? Listen, the Brock Purdy at 60 mil, or do you rent Rogers for a year?

I don't know the answer to that. You know, that's more interesting. That's a really good topic someday. Well, let me give you the other one, and we touched on this last week at the Super Bowl. You and I both heard this Matt Stafford unhappy with his salary situation, Rams and less need holding firm, there's a world where Matt Stafford ends up on the New York Giants.

That then opens the door, potentially, for Aaron Rogers and McVeigh to join forces with the Rams. Again, this is just speculation, but we just saw crazy NBA. trade. I would not be shocked in the NFL if we're seeing some oh my gosh, Russell Wilson's where? First of all, Jay Mac, Brady

was on her team, Stafford was on our team, Aaron Rogers was on our team, Russell Wilson left for Denver. You're going to get a star that moves. Something crazy is going to happen here. Also, also, this is what's going to be fun this offseason. When you start looking at what Philadelphia did

to Kansas City, humiliate them, Philadelphia has such a reservoir of talent, I think it's going to make teams like Buffalo and Green Bay go, if we have to meet this Philadelphia team, we need more Hall of Fame-level players. Miles Garrett was a winner this weekend. Oh, that's a good one.

Miles Garrett, if you're Buffalo, you're Baltimore, you're Detroit, you're Green Bay, you're the Rams, and you're looking at Philadelphia's defensive line and offensive line, you can't catch up during the draft. You have to go get a Hall of, I've said this with Miles Garrett. He may not be Lawrence Taylor, but he's our Lawrence Taylor.

By the way, you mentioned Buffalo. Could the bills have given the Eagles a game last night or the Ravens? It's really interesting. You said that. First of all, I think Kansas City has more good players than Buffalo. But, but it wasn't lost on me that the left

tackle is so good for the bills. Oh, Dawkins, yeah. Yeah, he's a pro bowler. So I thought to myself, their offensive line this year, I thought Buffalo was better than Kansas cities, and I thought, and Josh Allen's just a bigger athlete, my takeaway was Buffalo would have matched up better. Now, by the way, we saw the Ravens against Eagles. Eagles destroyed them in Baltimore.

Close-ish game. Anyways, final story. Another guy on the move, Debo Samuel, Colin, he has requested a trade for the second time in the last three seasons, and the Niners are more than willing to accommodate his request. Debo told reporters yesterday that the team has granted he and his agent permission to find a trade partner. Now, this is going to be a bit of a salary cap situation. If they trade him before June 1st, $31.5 million dead money cap hit. He's doing a $15 million roster bonus on March 22nd. So, Colin, I'm a Debo Samuel guy. It did not go well for him this year. We do have some good

teams on this one. And you floated Washington, maybe a couple months ago. I'm just telling Debo with Cliff Kingsbury and Jaden Daniels and Terry McLauron. Well, again, when you're watching Philadelphia and you're Washington, can you catch up to Philadelphia with a draft? No, it's not a strong draft. So if I'm Washington and I watched that last night, and I just got housed by Philadelphia, my take is, are we in on the Miles Garrett? Miles Garrett and Debo Samuel. I mean, you say what you want. You're not going to catch up to Philadelphia.

I mean, Dallas is hopefully, Dallas is eight players away. Oh, forget. Because they're average a quarterback. But you start looking at Terry McLaurin and you look at Jaden Daniels in your life. Like, okay, now you give me Debo, you have another good draft, you give me Miles Garrett, I can make it interesting. I think Philadelphia, that dominance is going to resonate on draft weekend. All in. Two more quick ones for Debo.

The Texans, Diggs is going to be gone. Houston, Texans kind of need something. They need some pop. I don't know. You think he fits with Nico Collins stretch the field? Debo underneath, Joe Mixon, does that do it? Okay. Final one is the New England Patriots, your team of destiny for next season.

I don't know, does he fit that Vrabble culture? Vrable's a tough dude. No nonsense, not looking for any... Fall in line. No? I'm trying to help your Patriots. They need help, by the way. By the way, they did pass the Jets when Rogers stepped down.

Jets have no quarterback's life. I will say this as well. You know how they said a dog is man's best friend? You want to who a quarterback's best friend is? Running back in O-line. Can we once again acknowledge that wide receivers, especially star receivers, the juice isn't worth to squeeze a lot.

I can give you about seven examples in the last two years where it's not worth, it's not worth to squeeze. Well, Becum is near the top of the list. Well, Stefan Diggs, and I like Stefan Diggs. But Devante Adams, and I like Devante Adams, but I'm saying the understated productive receiver, Terry McLaurin feels like it's rare. Running back, O line.

That is a quarterback's. best friend. Not a receiver who needs the ball and needs looks constantly. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong at the top of the hour. Shady is in the building, the former Philadelphia Eagle, like J-Mack. In his fields today, live in Los Angeles, it's the herd. weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Kavino. And I'm Rich Davis.

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No, I'm like, the world saw something and heard something. We'll get to that in a second because you deserve it. and I think it's good for the NFL. I think there's no luck. Bottom line, owner, GM, coach, quarterback, good people, the fans care. They're all in. It just goes to prove to be a champion. You got to beat the crap out of a champion.

That's right. But I want to talk about this. And you can tell me if I'm wrong. Tom Brady never trails 34-0. And there were Super Bowls. He acknowledged in one of his Super Bowls. I don't get time. I'm just going to dump it off to James White over and over and over.

I got to do something. And I think Tom always found a way, even with a bad poker hand, to move the chains. He may not give you 30, but he'd keep your damn offense off the field. Yeah. He'd keep his defense off the field. Mahomes was awful. Mahomes was bad. That's the last game.

I mean, what's the gap, Brady and Mahomes? So before this game, I was a big guy saying, hey, this gap is closer than which people think, right? And all the success that Patrick Mahomes has been doing lately, the team. And I played with Pat, you know, so I know him and Tom shared that same winning gene of, okay, I'm going to get it done. But watching this game last time gets to Eagles, first of all, there was a lot of, because everybody's going to say, oh, the lazy thing is the line didn't block, right? And they were getting beat on.

But if some of them plays, though, he kind of kind of stepped up in the pocket. I think he kind of got rattled in the pocket, right? He was moving so much. And you throwing picks, sixes and et cetera, and throwing picks. So when I look at Tom Brady, where he was. okay, things are not going my way. They're not blocking the same way. I got to do something.

I can't just sit here and get blown out. I'm the greatest. And Tom would never had a game like this because even if the family's, okay, we're going to dump to the running backs, right? We're going to make this game as boring as possible. Now we're going to get a whole bunch of seconds and fives, right? Second and six. And we're going to make this game manageable.

And so the defense does something differently because if you really watch the Eagles, they didn't really do much on defense. They rushed forward and they kept everything in front of them. Oh, no. They, it was an indictment. And in fairness, we knew the Eagles, because I've been saying this all year, and I said this about five different times in the last three weeks. There are drives when I look at Philadelphia and I think, how do they ever punt? Because they're so loaded.

Tight ends, guards. It's just relentless. There is something to be said about Jalen Hertz two best games as a pro. Super Bowls, yeah. What does that say? Yeah. See, and it's funny because, like, you know, I think Jalen Hertz right now is going to change the narrative on quarterbacks, right? It's like it goes from we got to have the best attribute quarterback.

We got to have this. We got to have that now. It's like, hey, man, we need to do with some heart like Jalen Hertz, leadership by Jalen Hertz and the winning factor. You know, when the stage is bright, right, he just gets brighter. I mean, he was making so many plays now. Granted, the defense played great. I don't want to take anything from D. He's so good on that sideline route.

And that's another thing, though. And then it's like, he puts it together, though. I'm throwing when I'm supposed to throw him, right? I'm running when I'm supposed to run. Because the running game was done last night, right? And it's like, if you told, okay, we'll win this game and blow him out and say Kuan doesn't do anything. Nobody will believe that.

But Jalen Hurts, that's what I think about him is like he plays this game the right way. And it gets better. And he never gets like too up and down, right? No matter if you say bad things about him or great things about him, he stays in his own lane. And he always says, hey, look, man, I already had a purpose before you had an opinion, right? And I think he really lives by that because there's some games where, hey, hey,

He throws for 130 yards, and there's some games he has in 200, almost 30 yards, all purpose, and they blow them out. And I always said this. When Jaylen Hertz plays well for this Eagles team, we blow teams out. The best defense in football, if you look at this supporting cast on offense, you won't find a better team with the best running back in the back. Two great Robert Severs, and then the best office line in football, if you put all that together, and Jaila Hertz plays well, they blow teams out. So you were in Philadelphia six years, so you know WIP. You know the radio. One of my favorites.

You know the loud nature of the city. And I have all years struggled a bit. In fact, the last couple years with Nick Seriani's methodology. I'm like he's arguing on the sideline with position coaches. He's giving fans crap. I'm like, you're not a radio caller. You're the head coach of the Eagles. But could I argue that in this intense city, that he is kind of Philly?

Yes. You need the way he is, man, first of all, I have a great relationship with a lot of the players, right? And they all love Nick, all of them, right? I love Nick. And the thing with Nick is, he don't care how it comes off, right? Because that's what he is. He argues with pit bulls and fans. That might get him going.

There's some players like that. There's some coaches like that. He's aggressive on certain downs, third and fourth down. We're going for it. That's who he is. And I think if you don't really understand him, you won't like him. But for Philadelphia, the city Philadelphia, we love that. We love our coach.

And I'm happy he won his game because he don't get enough credit. Like, he don't get enough credit. And it's like everything he does is win. And the thing is, he just won a Super Bowl, but he's been a winning coach since he's been there. And I think we get spoiled because he is so good, right? And he's okay with saying, Jaylen is great, the defense.

He's okay with doing that. But we got to give more respect to Nick Seriana because he's doing a hell of a job. You know the other thing. We all know that athletes in high school and college, it's developmental football. That's right. And we think when you get to the end of the end of the end.

NFL, well, you've got to be good. The truth is, Bonn developed, and it can be said as coaches. Nick's developed as a coach. Yes. If you work hard, if you're willing to listen to others, and you have Howie Roseman, the Lurys, is that just like a player, I think Nick's gotten better over time. He's made mistakes. He's fumbled.

He's thrown picks. Like, he's had bad days. But Philadelphia is not passive aggressive. Philadelphia will tell you when you screw up. And as long as you're willing, as long as you have the willingness to like, okay, I screwed up. I owned it. But every, you know what, though, you're, you said that perfectly because I always say this, certain players, certain coaches cannot coach in Philadelphia, right?

Like Ben Simmons was a really good player. But right, but having that heart, having that thick skin, he had that. So you, you can't play here because the fans are going to say, hey, man, we're going to hold you accountable, right? The papers, the radio stations, we're going to hold you accountable. And I see Nick Seriana, I see Andrew Reed, when you can't play. he was there, that's all me, that's my fault. I messed up. I got to get better. You don't really see that a lot of places.

And in Philadelphia, if you could do that, take the heat and then deliver. That's why Nick is going to be a legendary coach for the Eagles because he can do all of them things. Now, you know this. It's a salary cap league. Yeah. And they got a couple questions. Okay. I mean, I love Sequin.

I couldn't let him go. Whatever it needs. But that means you may have to move some pieces. You're paying AJ. And Seekwon. And Jalen and Devante. Well, what are you in it now? By the way, I can't let that linebacker go.

Yeah, so, so, I mean, there's only a couple guys that you really got to take care of because they're a young team. That's another thing where I love. That's why Howie, listen, real quick, before I'm getting into that, you know, I want this to be a lesson learned to all the other franchises out there and coaches. You need a functional place, right? When you look at Ms. Jeffrey Lurie, right, the things he's done for Philadelphia, getting the right coaches, getting the right GMs, howie is on an accident, how he was there for. for a reason. He's so great. Look at the teams in the both Super Bowls. Look at the roster we have there.

He's one of the best roster in football. Oh, yeah. Okay? And then another thing, they're young, right? The guys are making on plays on defense. Them dudes are young. They're younger. So we got to assign Zach back, which we got to do that.

I mean, that guys are remarkable. You know, it's funny. Linebacker is a position that people are a little reluctant to spend on. Yeah. But they were also reluctant on running back and they brought in Seekwan Barclay. And by the way, they brought in Bear the safety. Right. Yeah, right, right, yes, yes.

So they're an organization that has their own sort of lack of a better word, their own Bible, their own belief system. They're going to pay great players, and they're not necessarily tight ends they've paid. They don't care. I mean, so both our offices are locked up for, I think, a year or two. Yeah, yeah, right? On the line, there's about $80 million on office a line, something around like that. And that matter because, you know, not any, but how are we believes in building the team from the trenches up,

which I believe in, too, right? Then, Sequin, I mean, God, he doesn't say your third season. You bring him in there. You pay him, you pay him because he's the best player, running, but you had to pay him because he's the best player prior on the team. Yeah. And then Jaylon's already signed up. And then on defense, a lot of guys in secondary are already young, right? We paid Zach.

We got a filling probably one more office line spot. I think, um, who was that, Jay? We're talking about who? Yeah, Beckton. Now, we got to pay him because he had a great year. He's a guard. But other than that, our team is pretty set. And then if we don't pay him, I am, I will say this.

I'm confident that how we draft players well and we develop them. So I'm not really overly worried about if we can't sign everybody. Right. Because we show in the future. That's why the Chiefs are always back in the Super Bowl because they draft and develop well. Eagle's the same thing. We draft and we develop well. You know, it's interesting.

This is a comparable roster, J. Max, see if you agree, to that Seahawk roster that humiliated Peyton Man. Oh, yes. And it's so stacked. Yes. But you know what? That Seattle situation, you started seeing the egos. Yeah.

What's interesting with Philadelphia is, is Sequin doesn't have one, Hearst doesn't have one, O-Line doesn't have one, D-line. Like what's really cool, I mean, A.J. Brown, I think he's just so good, and receivers all want the ball. But that's, I remember, I'm from the Pacific Northwest, you just started hearing the Seahawks kind of fall in love with themselves, the Legion of Boom. I don't see a lot of that with Philly.

I don't see a lot of ego here. The first thing when they win a game, they talked to him, that's the first thing you said is there's no egos here. All they want to do was win, right? A quarterback can go out there, hey, man, he gets all the praise, right? But when you look at it, you hear what he says, it's the team, it's the defense. You go to the defense side of the ball. Everybody's happy for each other.

And I think that's the difference between, and that Seahawks team was great. But they had issues, well, Russ is getting too much credit when it's really the defense. But in Philadelphia, we don't have that. Because our all-pro quarterback, those 130 yards, he's still happy the same way if he threw 300 yards. You get him saying, Seyquant Barclay could have set the record of all-time rushing yards. And he wasn't even man. I'm like, you sure he's like, hey, whatever we got to do to win, we're going to win. And that's why this team will be back in a Super Bowl

because they don't care who gets to credit. All they want to do is win. Green's always been a good call. It's always green, baby. It's a little better today. On that, man. Sorry about the chain. I was just feeling it.

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