The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The fall of Shedeur Sanders

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

Colin discusses the fall of Shedeur Sanders from a potential top pick to eventually getting selected in the 5th round The Lakers are officially in trouble after their loss to the TimberwolvesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look at those T-Wolds, Lakers in trouble and reeling. We are live, it's the herd wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. one hour from now Colin was right Colin was wrong we have plenty of both well Jemak it's funny I have said this for a long time

I've been saying this for about a decade you never get lied to more in our business than a month before the NFL draft I've said that a hundred times you get so much misinformation fed to you as Mel Kiper

a month before the NFL draft so a lot of of stories, we start with this, as Shadour Sanders was sliding, suddenly stories started to pop out from Jacina Anderson, Todd McShay, a Jonathan Jones NFL insider for CBS, stuff that wasn't out there as much pre-draft. I mean, we knew that legendary draft room. We could see that was a bit cringe. But when people were starting to explain, well, what happened? Well, stories started coming out that he sandbagged certain interviews or was brash. Bruce Feldman wrote an article that I read.

He not only didn't compete at the Senior Bowl or NFL scouting combine, a former NFL quarterback coach Feldman spoke with Sunday morning said, not surprising. The intel I was getting on Sanders was shocking. He had no self-awareness. So why did he drop? Am I surprised? Shocked, actually. I would have taken him if I was the Steelers.

But between his dad. dad, Dion, who has many friends in the media, saying during the Super Bowl on multiple interviews, we will dictate terms. We will not play for certain teams. And then between Sanders, should doer sandbagging interviews, that probably explains it. So I'll tell you, after this show Friday before round two, I talked to two different times, an executive in the league asking questions. What do you think he'll go? He's in this executive said to me, He said, if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks at the top of the second round, then people view him as a backup.

And I'll quote it here, I'm not sure how many teams want that circus in the building as a backup. Remember Tim Tebow, celebrity backup, a mess in New York. Bill Belichick made a decision once Mack Jones beat him out in New England. Remember, they let Cam go. Nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback, especially when Dion the dad waited until mid to late March to say, okay, now anybody can draft my son. So now, was I surprised?

Yes, Pittsburgh didn't have a quarterback in a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I mean, I don't know who their quarterback is. But Daniel Jeremiah, a former three-time scout on the NFL network, has been a very interesting point. Jeremiah is pretty good at what he does. He was quoted as saying that the one quarterback that he thought was similar to Shadour Sanders was Kenny Pickett. And what Daniel Jeremiah said, well, they did Kenny Pickett and they got burned and they

may have looked at it and said, yeah, we've done that kind of quarterback before. Not a big arm, moves okay, okay, decent numbers. Yeah, we've got a pass on that. And Pittsburgh did. Remember, Shadour Sanders also said this. Words matter. People listen. He said this at the NFL Combine, Shadur said.

Quote, if you ain't trying to change the franchise of the culture, don't get me. Teams listened. They didn't get him. So the league sent out a very clear message. Cam Ward was indisputably the best prospect and maybe close to an A prospect, but everybody else was a B and a C prospect. And in life, if you're not an A, then you have to get the intangibles right. You're intangibles for Dak Prescott. Dax never thrown an A ball, but he was an A-plus-plus with intangibles.

That Brock Purdy, small, not a great athlete, A-plus-plus with intangibles. People are telling you they didn't like some of Shador's intangibles. Remember, March and April, NFL doesn't know you anything. March and April our job interview months. And in February and early March, Dad Dion was saying, we'll set terms. There are teams he won't play for.

So I don't think this is all on Shadour, but somebody made a point this morning in our staff meeting. It's almost like you're a young actor and you'd only ever been in your dad's movies. And then you interviewed with some other directors to finally not be in one of your dad's movies, and you kind of lack self-awareness and turns some people off. So when I hear he sandbagged interviews or was not a professional from people I trust,

that goes a long way in explaining it. And I believe, I said this years ago about backup quarterbacks, I said this more than once, a perfect backup quarterback is a guy that could go to the local mall, put sunglasses in a baseball hat on, walk through the mall, and nobody would bother him. Nobody would recognize him. your starting quarterback in the NFL is going to be a star all starting quarterbacks in their towns are stars a backup nobody wants a celebrity and so that's the downside i don't blame only should do her but when you hear he sandbag interviews that's what dad did deon's sandbag interviews legendarily sandbagged interviews bragged about sandbagging interviews but dion was an a plus plus plus prospect the best corner of all time everybody knew going into this draft that

sure wasn't a great arm guy I would have drafted him not a mobile guy I would have drafted him I was shocked by it and I was told be very if he doesn't go in the first six to eight picks in this top of the second round people are telling you they see him as a backup Peter Schreger used to work here now works at ESPN

also brought up an interesting point Dion has worked for so many media outlets and has so many friends in the NFL you know nobody wanted to give him the truth your son's okay and then once the noise Remember, noise scares a lot of teams, especially at one position. The discussions are always different about quarterbacks than non-quarterbacks.

When I talk to NFL people, we always talk about toughness. We talk about productivity and speed and vertical. When you talk about quarterbacks, it's leadership. Well, guys follow him over a hill. Is he a foxhole guy? The conversation changes. And I got a lot of different thoughts on this. We're actually defensive or on something that I thought he did a really good job on.

But Cleveland drafted him. There are those that believe that the GM and the coach didn't want to draft him. They'd already drafted a quarterback, and Jimmy Haslam, the owner stepped in like he did with Deshawn Watson. Needless, regardless, here's Andrew Barry on the pick. Once it got to a point where it felt like it was at, you know, a pretty steep discount, we just felt like, hey, especially relative to the alternative ways that we could use the selection, this made the most sense. All right, more on that in a bit. Their reaction was stoic, to be honest.

Not the most excited-looking draft room, to be honest. Okay, so the Lakers are in big trouble. They pushed all their chips in against Minnesota. For the first time in NBA playoff history, a team played only five players in an entire half. They never subbed. They called the death lineup, and eventually it was for them. Meanwhile, Minnesota, a deeper, bigger roster,

with far more dexterity, far more options. The Lakers, J.J. Reddick basically told you, our roster has limitations. There's an old saying in the NBA in the playoffs. That you play eight guys, but you trust seven. J.J. Reddick played five guys and trusted four. And they almost pulled it off. But did you notice that LeBron looked tired by the end? He didn't score in the fourth quarter.

And Luca looked tired at the end. never been in the world's best shape. And here was Aunt Edwards. Once again, if you go look at fourth quarter numbers in this series, Luca against Aunt Edwards, the Minnesota Timberwolves, without question, points, assist, rebounding, field goal percentage, the best player in the fourth quarter in this series

has consistently been Aunt Edwards. That's how you win a playoff series. and in quickly maturing, quickly defining basketball player. So the T-Wolves are deeper, and Edwards is the best player. But I think more than anything, remember when the Lakers made that trade, the Lucas thing, and Mark Williams, a center, remember that whole deal, Mark Williams? They were going to get a Mark Williams, the center who'd been injured, but he was a definitive NBA big, big wide body, shot blocker,

and then it got canceled because team doctors wouldn't give it a pass. in L.A. Well, J.J. Reddick was telling you, yeah, I wasn't part of that decision because he won't play Jackson Hayes. And you're not beating Minnesota without some bigs. I mean, Julius Randall, who's never been good in the playoffs, is having a tremendous series on three-pointers. And so, why? Randall's a big. He's getting good looks. And so, you know, J.J. Reddick's telling you, this roster needs tweaking. I'm playing five. I may trust four. And here was J.J. after. We certainly played well enough to win and we gave the effort to win and, you know, the not a planned thing to play five guys an entire second half.

We asked him at the beginning of the fourth quarter, told them we had two extra timeouts. You know, if you need a sub, let us know. Those guys gave a lot. I think once you've kind of made that decision, you know, and they all are in, you've just got to trust them. Ant Edwards led the NBA this year in clutch regular season points. Minnesota as a basketball team was in all sorts of games like this. They led the NBA in clutch games, meaning close, tight, hard-fought games.

That's what the T-Wolves did all regular season. They were built for it. In Aunt Edwards, whose three-point shot improved dramatically, he was built for it. They now have a 3-1 series lead. they'll be well rested. The Lakers will be as well. The next game is Wednesday, and here's Ant. I just try to take advantage of every opportunity.

I mean, because, you know, I've been dreaming of this all my life, whether it was football or basketball. So just being in these situations, and now it's going against Brun and Luca. Luca probably the best player in the game, young player in the game, and Brun is the best player leaving the game. So just trying to, you know, prove I belong

and to all my haters and people who criticize me that I'm better than they think. Ant is officially the best young player in the game. Did you see him battling LeBron? He's like, I got LeBron. Did you see that wrestling match? You're not getting that from Luke on the defensive end. Offense runs the league. I'm not denying that.

But look at Ant's fourth quarter numbers. His energy is through the roof. Not just his points, but his field goal percentage. Look at Luke. field goal percentage. Guys get tired, shots are flat. So if you, if you want one of the things that made Jordan, we only show Jordan's offensive highlights.

What made Michael Jordan great was his relentless defense, along with his relentless offense and clutch play in the fourth core. Michael's energy, you could go to quadruple overtime. Michael's energy, even when he was sick, the Utah games, was just better than other players. Look at Ant's fourth quarters. That is young in impeccable shape. Because Aunt previously, first couple of years he would wear down late in games. He doesn't anymore. He picks his spots. He is putting up 42% three point in the fourth. And you're petting your best defender on him. So he has arrived. He has got the argument to me as the best young player in the

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Your frontal lobes not fully developed. Young men do dumb stuff, and I have six kids in my life, and they've all done something dumb, and I did things that were dumber, maybe not as this dumb, but I did dumb stuff too. I don't like it. It's cruel. It's not what you should do, and the kid did call should do her and apologize. But to watch the media's reaction, they're more bothered by this. than other actions that happen all the time in this league that deserve more criticism.

The kid did something really dumb and then called Shadur and apologized. Here's the thing. When these kind of moments happen in life, and this happened to Shadur, I'm often captivated by how people handle it. And did anybody watch how Shadur Sanders handled it? It was really impressive. He said, it's okay. Everybody makes mistakes.

wow that's really adult why older members of the media are wrecked by it and deeply bothered that he fell in the draft he wasn't he kept the thing the thing

he's not going to hold a grudge and you'll find that as a habit among winners in life generally they're not grudge holders they focus on what matters Shadour Sanders came out when somebody played a really cruel joke unacceptable. And he said, it's okay.

It's okay. People make mistakes. That is an incredibly impressive reaction. And as he dropped in the draft, here's what he said about going to Cleveland. I know I'm going to fit in perfectly. I feel like it's first getting in showing the respect to the vet, showing them, you know, I'm here ready to work,

show the coaches and have them understand. you know, I'm here ready to work. So they can actually understand the real me. That's what I'm truly thankful to have is an opportunity for people that actually see the real me and not be able to see, you know, stuff that could be true or not. That's what I'm most excited about being in the building. Wow. I mean, Aaron Rogers dropped a few draft picks.

Was bitter. Shudur Sanders dropped to the fifth round and he's like, I can't wait to get into the building, show respect to the veterans. He gets pranked. He could have had a multitude of reactions. He's like a kid made a mistake. We're all going to be okay. People make mistakes.

That makes me want to root for Shador Sanders. You guys can throw Tizzy Fits reacting to the dropping in the draft. By the way, Kyle McCord dropped. He went later than I thought. And he went to the Philadelphia Eagles. And by the way, Will Howard, he went really late too. He went to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Like this idea that going high in the draft and two really bad franchises is always the answer,

the truth is Joe Flacko will probably win that Brown's job. My guess is Chador Sanders easily, because he was underdrafted. He will easily win the backup role over Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett easily. And then by Thanksgiving, I'm going to make a bet. Shadur Sanders is going to play and be the starting quarterback. but I was really impressed as everybody was freaking out. Maybe it's because I've had so many kids in my life. The kids do dumb stuff.

Young boys do really dumb stuff. And I didn't like it at all. And it made me mad and I thought it was cruel. But how Shadur handled it told me, okay, that's the kind of compartmentalization, attitude and maturity. You get from veteran quarterbacks that flourish. They don't pout.

they're not punitive, they don't hold a grudge. Hey, everybody makes mistakes. It is that kind of even temperament that blew me away. I mean, I'm sitting there thinking if my kid was a quarterback and somebody did this to my kid, I'd be really hurt. And maybe Shadour was. But that reaction, A plus plus. He may have a B arm and a B minus mobility, but that temperament in that moment, A plus plus.

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Much to the chagrin of J.B. Bickerstaff and the Pistons. staff, they were just irate after the game. Go back and look at the film. The guy leaves his feet. There's contact on Tim Hardaway's jump shot. I don't know any other way around it. There's contact on his jump shot. The guy leaves his feet. He's at Timmy's mercy. And I repeat, there's contact on his jump shot.

Can I throw this out? Can I throw this out? It's a tough one. So it is. I thought Detroit outplayed him. I thought Detroit was the better team. And then they didn't get the call. The league acknowledged they missed it. But we all love physical play because it's just more intense. I mean, watching LeBron and Edwards, the ratings are proving the audience likes this. What did the audience say no to? The All-Star game where nobody plays defense.

People don't watch the regular season because people don't play this kind of defense. People are reacting. The arenas loving. People are into it. The downside to letting things go is that that doesn't change the outcome. It just changed. This is the score. But when you get to the last minute to a minute and a half of a game,

allowing that kind of physicality can in real time change the outcome. So officials have been told clearly by the league, let them play. Bad strategy. Well, no, it's not. It's much better ratings. Bottom line in our business. Well, the games are close. Bottom line in our business, the strategy that gets the number is the best strategy.

The ratings are great. And the games are close, and the physicality is amazing. It's working. It's hard to turn off. ratings have been up since Luca joined LeBron in L.A., but the series, the games have been magnificent, down to the wire. But like when you're not calling stuff, Colin, that leads to bad outcomes. Like the Pistons got screwed. I'm a Knicks fan. That's fine.

Lakers got screwed. But the referee. But the referee. But these games are getting, are more interesting because they're allowing physical play. Do you think Pistons Knicks is visually appealing when there's battles and scrums when Anthony Edwards is shoving LeBron with two hands? Yep. That's just not bad. The crowd's reacting to it.

Yeah. The crowd loves it. Yeah. They're watching like Gladiator 3, just guys killing each other. How'd that movie do in the theater? Gladiator 1, excellent, gladiator 2, not so much. People like physical play. It's not disputable.

Watch the crowd react to Ant-Lebron banging. Watch the crowd. They stand. They're into it. The problem is with a minute left, you do have to call fouls with physicality because it changes the final score. So that's the tough part. Like if you're not refereeing one way for 82 games,

and then you change it for seven, and then you change it back for the final minute. It's like, what are we doing? He needs some consistency. They got to pick one, pick a lane. Do we want to let them play or do the physical? They are clearly letting them play. By the way, Clippers Nuggets,

multiple arguments laid in games. So you're seeing what's happening through all these playoff games that are close. It always comes down to a call. And the losing team is always like you're not calling enough. But the truth is, the physical.

watch the ratings, watch the reaction of the players, watch the crowd. The bottom line has always been this. It's like people that defend the tush push. It's obviously aesthetic, not aesthetically pleasing. But why Philadelphia likes it, is it because it defines them through toughness and physicality?

We like our athletes to be tough. We like Michael Jordan because he's tough. It is a tough one with the ratings game. NFL draft ratings were massive because Shadour Sanders slid. And it was getting prank called, like controversy. So, like, I just, again, remember how in the NCAA tournament you hate upsets early because you want the best teams playing at the end? Well, guess what?

I want the best teams playing in the NBA finals. If we're going to get like Minnesota Timberwolves slugging it out with the calves because they're physical teams, that's a huge loss for the NBA. The NBA would much prefer the Lakers advancing. So we argued about this. The NBA got the bag. Well, obviously, yes. The ratings don't matter. That's somebody else's problem.

Well, wait a, do the ratings? matter or not. You just said they're up. I'm saying overall, the league wants more people watching basketball. And the playoff ratings have been great. But they haven't just been great like the regular season for the Lakers. They've been great for everybody. So the point is physicality's working. The league now

got the bag. They got the money from the networks. Now it's up to the networks to make money on it. That's not their problem. I sell my house. What you do with it? Paint it Purple. I don't care. I'm out of it. I got my money. So you could say it's better for the league at The Lakers play. But they don't have a star yet. They don't have a neck star domestically.

Ant's it. So, and I think privately, Adam Silver, if you asked him, would say, I would rather see our neck. We don't have a domestic star in this league. We've seen LeBron play a million times in the playoffs. I think Minnesota winning privately now that the NBA's got its contract. They got their money. They want to find and promote a domestic star. and Aunt is good-looking,

likable guy, unbelievably dynamic. He does have some off-court issues that he's talked about and fans have gotten on his case about. Not great. He's 23. Luca and LeBron, come on, Colin.

You want to see them against Steph Curry next round. Also, Rockets. We'll see if they rough up Curry again tonight. Next story, back to the NFL. The Steelers, you know, they did draft a quarterback Will Howard in the sixth round. However, they're waiting for Aaron Rogers.

Owner Art Rooney said Friday, Rogers does want to come to Pittsburgh, and there could be official word soon. However, Mike Tomlin did not want to put a time frame on Aaron Rogers' decision. I'm not going to forecast the ifs and the wins regarding not only him, but any potential free agent. Just rest assured that we've had really productive talks with him. And personally, I've enjoyed having really productive talk with him and getting to know him. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing with their quarterback. I'm guessing they've got some assurances from Aaron.

If you don't have assurances from Aaron in a division with Burrow and Lamar, that's four games a year, in a conference with Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, C.J. Stroud, Justin Herbert. I don't know what you're doing. So my take is there has to be something going on because Will Howard's a backup in the NFL. At best. Yeah, he's a backup. So I would have drafted Chador Sanders unless I had a deal.

So we talked about this before the draft. I think Aaron Rogers was waiting. What if Pittsburgh told Aaron, listen, we're going to draft a backup. But we're not going to draft. We're not going to draft a starter. You'll know after the draft that we have clearly drafted a backup. Will Howard has seen as a backup. And that's what I think he is in the pros.

Shadur, even if he went in the fourth round, you could argue Aaron could go, well, that's going to be your starter at some point. If I have a bad game, people want Shadour. So I think Aaron smartly said, okay, I'll come. come, but I'm going to watch the draft. I'm not going to be Kirk Cousins here. And my guess is Aaron will sign with Petsburg now because how could you not draft anybody but Will Howard if you don't have a quarterback in the AFC?

So two teams in the division have Burrow set, Lamar's set. The Browns have five quarterbacks on the roster. Cedore's going to win that job. When? Before Thanksgiving. We can make that a friendly way. I would say he's not even going to start a game this season. Oh, I'll bet you on that.

Can he pick it? Colin, what message did they send taking Dylan Gabriel over him? Okay, so my friend John Middlkoff had a theory. It's that the Browns didn't want to get into the Chedur-Sanders sweepstakes because they showed their hand in the first round by trading down, getting a first-round pick. The Cleveland Brown signaled by the second pick of the draft, like the Rams did later in the first round,

by getting a first-round pick. We're getting our quarterback next year. So the Browns told you, we're not into quarterback this year. That's why we're getting a first round pick. So they drafted Dylan Gabriel earlier than anybody thought they would. Andrew Barry's a smart champ. Why? Because they thought Jimmy Haslam, if Shadour kept sliding, would butt his nose in and go take him.

So they thought drafting Dylan Gabriel would take care of the backup. And it didn't because Haslam by the fifth round said, we got to take him. Haslam loved Johnny Manzell. Right. Haslam loved Deshaun Watson. Maybe he's decided to step back. The counter to that is, why did you trade a fifth round pick for Kenny Pickett after knowing an interview in Shador? Why did you just sign Joe Flacco after knowing you could get Shador? Because Andrew Barry and Kevin Stavansky didn't want to get into the Shadur circus.

Haslam. So they did all the work to not get into it. And then Haslam said, draft him. Remember. And do you think Haslam? and we'll say play him. He loved Baker. He loved Johnny Mansell.

He loved Dejaun. He wants a star at quarterback. We need to get Vegas to set a line for us. Over under half a start this season for Shador's. Oh, over by a easy bet. Movibe, what if it was one and a half? Over under one and a half? Oh, I would go over.

First of all, he was the most underdrafted guy in the draft. Well, depending on... I mean, again... I did... I mean, I think we can acknowledge that if there was any player in the draft that probably went a couple of rounds later that he showed it should do her. Yeah, I liked him. Final story is my Jets, Colin, who took an offensive tackle with the seventh overall pick.

I thought the Jets had a solid draft. They asked me for winners, losers. I didn't put the Jets in that group, but they're close. However, with the selection, the Jets became the first team in 25 years to select four first round offensive linemen in a six-year span. I love their first. The last team's doing so with the Lions and Seahawks. One of those guys not on the roster, Mackay Beckton, he just won a Super Bowl ring

with the Eagles. I had no problem with the Jet. I thought the Jet's first two picks were great. And by the way, Feshanoo looks good. Elijah Vera Tucker is good when he's healthy. People like Membu, Beckton was a miss, but you're not going to go four for four. It's like it's hard.

This draft stuff is hard. Yeah, I mean, a problem, of course, is why get excited when they don't have a quarterback? By the way, they didn't draft a quarterback. It's like Justin Fields. It's his show. They've given him the reins. He's their guy.

Yes. That's a bit of a surprise, no? Well, again, it's a bad quarterback class. I mean, the dolphins have Tua, and they drafted Quinn Ewers. You don't think the Jets want to kick the tires on Quintyers? Well, two also gets hurt a lot. Justin Field's a bigger, stronger athlete. Man.

I didn't have a problem with a jet strap. I didn't hate it. I will say there's some momentum that they could win seven or eight games, but the question is, do you even want to? Because you need a quarterback next year, you know? It's like so, I don't know. You and I disagree with NBA physicality. I am for it.

No, okay. We can debate it second hour if you want. Third hour as well, you know. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News. So I was talking to start the show about the celebrity quarterback thing.

The Tebow to the Jets. Mark Sanchez has said it publicly. It was a disaster. Belichick moved off Cam Newton the minute. They made a choice for Mac Jones. They're like, okay, you would think they would keep Cam as a backup. They're like, no, no, no, no, no. We're not going to have Cam Newton as a backup. There are certain, you don't want a celebrity quarterback to begin with coming out of college,

but you don't want a celebrity backup quarterback. So a great example of this. One of the best GMs in the league is John Snyder of Seattle. So they could have taken Chador Sanders, and they took Jalen Milro. Now, Sanders, to me, is much more ready to play now, but you already have Sam Darnold. So look at what the Seahawks did. One of the best GMs in the league, They could have taken Sanders, who is much more ready to play now. And they took Jalen Milrow. Why? No noise. Parents not involved.

Not ready to play. Classic one to two year developmental quarterback. Also, I was told over the weekend the Seahawks will use him because he does provide something that a backup quarterback usually doesn't, which is he may be the best athlete on the roster. So I've been told John Snyder and the Seahawks and McDonald's the coach, they want to put him in six, seven, eight plays a game because he's such a spectacular Lamar Jackson level athlete. But this is a classic example of a general manager who could have taken both,

and he, as one of the best GMs, said, I'm going to take Milro, even though Milro, to me, is much more of a project than Shadour. but when your dad is saying during the Super Bowl, there are terms that we will dictate. You didn't get that with him. When the quarterback is sandbagging interviews, which came out during and after the draft, Mill Road didn't do that.

So I thought that pick was a great example of why Shadur dropped. Shadur is a starter. I think in the NFL would be a better starter than Milro. But once you don't get picked by about the 38th pick, like top of the second, you are viewed as a prospect. And initially, you're a backup. And people didn't want the backup stuff. And the noise that came with Shadur. Now, he was super mature when he talked finally about being drafted by that cruel prank phone call.

Shadur was great. but I thought, you know, you start looking at Dylan Gabriel. That's a backup. Will Howard. That's a backup. I love Kyle McCord. Philadelphia Eagles, he's backing up. He's not playing much.

So once you get to about 38, 39th pick, intangibles become big, because now you're like the third most important part of the quarterback room. Right? So I, you know, and now, I think it should have gone Cam Ward, Shador Sanders, Jackson Dart. But for the record, one year ago, one year ago, you guys were all telling me in your mock drafts that Quinn Ewers was a first round pick. And who didn't buy it? One year ago today. on the way too early 2025 mock drafts who was the number one quarterback the last guy the last

quarterback taken so stuff happens two years ago a quarterback that j mack during the season loves sam howell and a lot of people love sam howell two years ago he still does sam howell was like he's going to be the sleeper watch sam howell top of the second sam howe went in the fifth so I think the Shadour thing got really hot early in the season, and nobody just wanted to be honest and go, because he's Deon's son, he's kind of a B prospect. And then when the circus and the sandbagging and dad, that's where teams were like, uh-uh, uh-uh, he'd not a backup.

Now Cleveland's got so many quarterbacks, they got like six backups. And Cleveland, Johnny Mansell, Baker Mayfield, Deshawn Watson, they're in the circus business. Like, I mean, Jimmy Haslam, their quarterback situation is always a circus. I mean, it's Cirque to Saloy. It just travels around the country. But, so they go, here's Mike McDonald's, by the way, on the Jalen Millroll pick.

Jailen's a quarterback through and through. He's going to be trained to play quarterback for us. And when he's in there, he's going to be playing quarterback. But the athleticism is going to come to life, you know, when he's on the field, and that's how he's going to help us. I did think, by the way, the best draft of the weekend I thought was Seattle's. I thought they got three starters. They got Damien Martinez

or running back out of the Miami Hurricanes in the seventh round. I could not believe he was available. I thought their draft crushed. They got arguably the best interior linemen, the second best safety, a top-tied end, Jalen Milro, a detackle from Notre Dame

that will absolutely be a rotational player, a wide receiver that I didn't watch much at Colorado State, but all the draft gurus loved. And I can't believe they got Damian Martinez in the seventh round. throw in Sam Darnold as a pickup and free agency. Seattle had a very, very good offseason. I thought this kid, I mean, I don't know what steel of the draft is. I think there were several of them.

Shadoors, the steel of the draft. But to get this kid in the seventh, I watched them play a lot. He's an NFL running back. He may be a two, but he's an NFL running back. I thought Seattle had, and I said this three years ago, I thought John Snyder's had some really good drafts. He is a really sharp guy. We take a break. Bill Belichick's girlfriend.

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it was a little odd, especially on the college campus. You know, but I was watching, he interviewed Belichick does. doesn't let anybody speak for him, except now his girlfriend. So there's some personal growth that's admirable. But he was doing a CBS interview wearing his old Navy hoodie, not old Navy, but old Navy hoodie. And watch what happens when his girlfriend shuts down the reporter. You have Jordan right over there.

Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship. They've got an opinion about your private life. It's got nothing to do with them, but they're invested in it. How do you deal with that? Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right. How did you guys meet? Not talking about this.

No? No. It was her on to Cincinnati moment. I've got to be honest. She's his PR director. She's Bill's influencer, which he didn't need in the NFL. But he actually do in college. I thought this was kind of a cringy thing, but she is multiple things for Bill.

Assistant girlfriend, social media producer, PR handler. She fills a lot of roles. And people are kind of uncomfortable with it. And, I mean, sometimes in life you don't have to wear a headset to call plays. She's calling plays for Bill, which he didn't need in the NFL, but he actually does in college football, where players now select you. So she's out there as his PR and social influencer saying,

Bill, that doesn't play, don't talk about that, do talk about this. Now, if she starts to break down offense on the whiteboard next week, I'll step in and change my opinion. But as I watched this interview, I thought, oh, I've watched interviews like this. CEOs have people like Jordan Hudson. you know presidents, politicians,

senators, governors, media execs. They all have people like Jordan Hudson. She's taking the role seriously. I mean, again, I thought it was weird. I didn't know what to make of it, but when I watched that interview, I'm like,

oh, I've seen that before from PR directors. When I do interviews, I don't do many, but once a year I'll be doing an interview. There's always a PR person sitting next to me. And occasionally they step in. and go, yeah, we're not going to talk about, you know, Collins' contract or something. So I kind of watched it, and I was kind of impressed.

Maybe because I've seen it before. From cringy to crucial. I don't know. It didn't bother me. It was kind of professional. And again, Bill didn't need this in the pros. If you don't like the age difference, they're two consenting adults.

Whatever. Okay? Whatever. But I've seen that before from professionals in PR. Here's the other thing. During the a lot,

and Colin Wright wrong top of the hour, one of the things that came out this weekend was that the Giants had a really bad interview with Shador Sanders. Todd McShay came out. Now Brian Dayball said it was a great interview just to give you heads up on how this works. I was talking to a general manager in the league.

No coach is ever going to publish. bad mouth, a college coach, especially a popular one. Because he's got to go back to that campus for the next 10 years to look at players and scout players. So the Day Bowl story came out with multiple sources that it was not a good interview, which is surprising, because that's one of the teams that actually, in a year that not many teams were looking for starting quarterbacks, the Giants were one of them. But, you know, Day Bowl is saying, you know, it went very, very well. I can tell you in my years of doing this,

I have talked to coaches who feel they've been completely lied to and hosed by college programs, and you just swallow it. Because you've got to go back to that campus the next year, and you don't want to sever the relationship and have an enemy at a program like a Colorado that increasingly has NFL players. So that's just one of those things,

because this is something I was talking about with somebody. I said, what do you make of this? And the reaction, he goes, Nobody's going to bad mouth. You're going to go to Colorado's practice next year. You want to be welcomed. They don't have to let everybody in. So there you go.

Colin Wright, Colin wrong next hour. J. Mack and I were at odds earlier in the show, because I am for all this physical NBA play. I think it's much better TV. I think if you watch the reaction of the crowds, I mean, there's an old saying that if I told you right now, Hey, you guys. Max Kellerman used to say this.

We could be watching the Super Bowl, but if I told you, hey, you guys, two guys are in a fist fight in the hallway. Everybody would leave the TV and go watch the fight. Physicality sells. People like, so when you're watching LeBron and Ant bang on each, you're like, whoa, whoa, and you don't have to like it,

but you cannot turn the channel. It is gripping television, and the ratings are indicating that this tough, physical physical basketball, the crowds are just inflamed with it, and the audience, the ratings are good. So now, does it become problematic with 12 seconds to go in a bump? It does. But I'll say this, it's better basketball, it's more fun. I'd rather have guys playing defense. I'd rather guys care. I'd rather guys dive on the floor than Tuesday night in Orlando 128-120.

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