The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The great Jerry West

Episode Date: June 12, 2024

Colin reflects on the incredible life and legacy of Jerry West Colin wants to know what is going on in New York with the Jets in mandatory minicamp but no quarterback Aaron Rodgers to be found Colin explores why women's basketball in the United States can't get out of its own waySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here we go. It is a Wednesday. We are live in Los Angeles. It is the hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. On a sad day, a somber tone to start our show for the first five or six minutes. The greatest basketball executive of all time, Jerry West, has passed.

passed away an incredible, almost singular career. J. Mack joining me as well. Rick Buchanan now to talk about this. It's hard to, he had so many successes. He was almost a basketball whisper. Even to the end in the last seven, eight years, if you had a basketball dilemma, call Jerry West. And that's what we start our show today.

He was so many things. He was an all-time great player who became the low-grim. You don't just make any player the logo. No other player in our major sports had ever been considered to be the logo. He was a generationally unique 80s, 90s, 2000s. He was a respected basketball voice. He was the architect of three dynasties. And he was a relentless personality.

You've seen that in the documentary. You've read that in books. Because he understood what greatness looked like, and he was not willing to sacrifice anything to get there. there. He also had a well-documented, tough, bordering on brutal childhood. And it always felt like along the way he was a bit tortured. Even the way the Lakers' relationship ended wasn't perfect. Jerry was almost singular in his greatness. He was arguably the first great guard in the NBA, Mr. Clutch. He very quickly established himself as almost a Sven Gali, a guru of basketball talent.

Yes, you know about Shaq and Kobe and you know about Kareem and magic, but do you realize how big he was in the Warriors dynasty as he aged? I always say you can tell a lot about a man, but he goes past perhaps his prime years. You look at him, you listen to him. Has he been willing to acknowledge issues, grow, evolve? That was Jerry West. He was the one that told them, move off Monte Alis.

embrace Steph Curry and go get Andrew Bogot. You need size. He was the one that told them, I will resign if you move off Clay Thompson for Kevin Love. And at the time, Kevin Love was the better player. He was the one that whispered in KD's ear, you'll get better shots there than you do in Oklahoma City. The architect of three dynasties and arguably outside of the Bulls,

the three best dynasties ever. He knew basketball. He loved basketball. He was great at basketball. The best way I could describe Jerry West as a guard and as an executive, he didn't miss much. Here's Jerry on our show years ago as the greatest executive talking about probably the greatest player, Michael Jordan. If he watched him go anywhere, he was like the piepiper. You could not keep people away from him.

He just had that incredible charisma. But when he played, every night he played, he was not going to take a night off. I love Michael Jordan. I absolutely love Michael Jordan. He just, he's the best, he's the best athlete I've ever seen in basketball. People are going to make comparisons. But I wonder today, with the rules having changed today, you can't hand check, you can't touch anyone. You can walk all over the place.

you can carry the basketball over place and this is the evolution of the game if he could have added that to his game my goodness what would we see today it tells you a lot about jerry west as that the greatest current players his contemporaries his peers all generations when jerry walked into a room they stopped talking and they listened it was sometimes combative with the lakers there's a lot of egos, a lot of brainpower, a lot of greatness in Los Angeles. And it didn't end well with the Lakers. But Jerry has to be seen as almost singularly a unique all-time player and executive. Rest in peace to Mr. Clutch, the logo.

All right, things a bit bumpy in New York with the Jets. So Aaron Rogers didn't show up for day one of mini-camp. Now, through the years I've said, and I believe this, there's too much football practice. Sean McVeigh came to the Rams with a different sensibility and said, let's lighten up practice and let's not play any of our starters in the preseason. People scoffed, rolled their eyes. They won't be ready for the opener. They started the year 8-0.

It doesn't bother me that much that Aaron Rogers missed a day of minicamp. Although Diana Rusini says, reporter, he now will miss the entire camp. Okay. So why was it so clunky when his head coach Robert Sala went to the podium a couple of days ago to talk about his absence on day one? Aaron and I spoke before OTA started. He's been very good in communication. He's been here the entire time. It's inexcused, but he had an event that was very important to him, which he communicated.

An event? He's missing the entire camp. Is it jury duty? Is he at a sales conference? Cichella still going on? Events don't last a week. So that's real fuzzy. And also, why did Robert Sala have to say verbally, he could have kept it to himself, that it was

an unexcused absence. My guess is the power dynamic with Aaron Rogers has always been a little off. So Sala wants to make it clear he runs the team and not Aaron. But it felt a little passive aggressive and like the scolding teacher. But this is what happens when you give a prickly rich set in his ways, passive aggressive quarterback coming to set. the franchise and you put him with a defensive coach on the hot seat with an 11 and 23 record before Aaron got there. What you get is a weird power dynamic.

Even as great as Brady was, Belichick ran the show and Tom knew it. Even as great as Mahomes is, Andy Reid runs the show, moves off a Tyreek Hill, and Mahomes knows it. I could argue the rudderless ship known as the New York Jets need stronger management, not less intensity and less power and less leverage. So Sala really has his hands tied, but they've been tied from day one. From the very outset, the power dynamic here has been off. It's why I didn't buy them last year. I think they'll be good this year, but I don't consider them a Super Bowl team.

Too much of a perpetual, weird, odd mess. an uneven franchise that threw a hail-married to get Aaron, let him pick the OC, who wouldn't have gotten a job as an OC anywhere else in the league, had him bring in Randall Cobb and Alan Lazard. Overpaying for Lazard, Cobb is no longer really a roster player, though he had a nice career.

It's all about the power dynamic. Sala, when Aaron landed, was an unproven, losing record, defensive coach, who had no momentum with an important, impulsive owner, a new GM, you thought this was going to work? Aaron in Green Bay never liked it that he didn't have as much control as he felt he deserved. Brady never got caught up in that. He didn't care.

He just wanted to win trophies. So part of Aaron's personality has always been, I want to say, I'm going to do what I'm going to do. So none of this is a surprise. The quarterback, the head coach, the GM, it just feels odd. The power dynamic is off. You see this often in the NBA where the star runs through coaches. That's a basketball culture thing. It's not a football culture thing, except apparently in New York.

But why BS? An event? I was told last night from a source I trust. errands on vacation and it's overseas. I'm also told you'll learn about where he's at tomorrow. Don't want to burn my source. I'm told you'll learn about it tomorrow. Maybe he is at an event.

Can't believe there's something overseas that would take 7, 8, 9 days. Again, maybe they have a music festival. But the point is, don't be surprised by this. This is sort of what you would expect, impulsive owner, new GM, coach with a losing record, prickly older at times, arrogant, disconnected quarterback, in New York City with a pretty relentless and inarguably massive press corps.

This is what you get. J. Mack, from missing day one to missing minicamp, I would imagine if somebody on this show that's a Jets fan, it didn't sit terribly well with you. Not great, obviously. if he were in Europe, somebody would see him. If he were international, somebody would see him. I wonder, Colin,

did he get another darkness retreat on the books? And that's why there's been no reports. Nobody's seen him anywhere. The tree house that he goes into for the darkness retreat just opened up. And hey, this is your time. You paid for it. You got to go. I don't know.

That counts as an event, right? Well, I was told he's overseas. And I was told tomorrow people will find out where he was overseas. Now, is he still there? Did he come back to the country? But it's just, it's, did Sala have to say unexcused absence? Don't you just keep that to yourself? Like, isn't that just poking Aaron?

Listen, if once you get Aaron in the door and you know he can be sensitive, it's like Kevin Durant, you don't want to poke him in the ribs. Like part of inheriting Aaron is, okay, when you're the Jets, you sit down before Aaron gets there. And you're like, yep, he's talented. He's probably past his prime. he's going to be expensive. He can take us to a different place.

You got to coddle him a little. That's kind of Aaron's, you kind of know that with Aaron. You got to coddle him a little. You got to give him the guys he wants. That's just part of the game with Aaron. But I think going up and saying it's unexcused, and then you have to say he's at an event. Well, now that puts pressure on Aaron.

People are going to ask Aaron about what's the event. What if Aaron doesn't want to talk about the event? It's just odd to me. It's more noise than you need. Unless, of course, he's embracing the attention, wants the attention, wants everybody talking about him, because we know he's one of those kind of guys. You've got to be talking about me all the time.

I'm Aaron Rogers. So, skipping out on camp, good way to get people talking about you. I don't know. It's just, you know what? I've said before, Aaron's great content. I mean, he's giving me probably six to eight weeks of content just on him. It doesn't matter where he goes. Could you give six to eight wins like before Halloween?

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They made HBO series and written books about this, 82 to 88. Jerry's the GM, Pat Riley's the coach, and Magic and Kareem are the two stars. It was really, at that time, it was considered, in my opinion, that was the greatest team of all time. And then in 1990s, in a one week period, Jerry West on July 11th of 96, trades Vlad A for Kobe Bryant. And then a week later, signed Shaq as a free agent. Perhaps the greatest week an executives ever had. Then from 99 to 2000, Jerry's the GM, Phil Jackson's the head coach. Shaq and Kobe are the stars.

So, and then that breaks up, almost predictably breaks up. I mean, Phil Jackson and Jerry were rivals as players, Phil and Nick, Jerry a Laker. And it was a sort of the 91 finals were sort of a transition of power between the Phil Jackson Bulls taking over for Jerry in the dynasty he had created. And then Jerry ends up at Golden State where he's a top executive, though not the GM, but really the basketball sabat in the building. Steve Kerr as coach, and then Steph Curry is the best player. So there's an argument to be made that three of the four great dynasties of all time, the Warriors and a couple Lakers, only Michael Jordan, which supplanted Jerry's second dynasty, or first one, I should say, the Magic Kareem one, you know, that Jerry had three of the four

great dynasties. He's the architect for all of them. Now, Pat Riley has since become an incredible basketball mind. he's probably to me first or second right behind Jerry all time and is an executive and there have been many many great ones but I always thought when you go look

and think about Jerry West it is sad of what the Lakers have become I was having a discussion yesterday with somebody who's tied to the league and they had said maybe it is time to protect Jerry Buss's legacy to move on and sell the Lakers

to somebody like a Steve Balmer although he owns the clippers somebody of that net worth and that gravitas that can really run it like it deserves, like a top brand in the history of American sports. So the Phil Jackson Jerry West relationship, it was bound not to be a long-term relationship. It worked well for a year or two. But you just look back at what the Lakers were. You know, you think of baseball, the greatest teams ever.

You just, even if you're just a baseball casual, you'd have to figure like the Yankees have three or four of the best five teams of all time. And I would say Jerry West was the architect and the brains behind three of the four great basketball dynasties of all time. And do not forget, not just the trade for Kobe or the move to get Shaq as a free agent, that, you know, the Golden State tenure, and to the very end, Jerry was like a basketball consultant. If you had a dilemma, you went and you asked Jerry West, who passed away again at 86 years

old. He was doing now some consulting stuff. The Clippers announced that passing this morning, and here's J-Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's go to the NFL. Sean Payton's first year with the Broncos did not go well. They went eight and nine, missed the playoffs. A lot of criticism ended up dumping Russell Wilson. Peyton was asked if he has a chip on his shoulder due to the media conversation about his coaching. Here's what he had to say. I think that I have two middle fingers.

I've gotten better with age, not using them. I don't play a lot of video games, but you got X amount of battery life and energy and you try to use it where you think it's best going to help the team. And so you learn over time to not spend as much on the things you can't control. That's a good way to think about it. The older you get, the less rabbit holes you should probably go down

and be consumed with stuff you can't control. That's almost a good mantra for life. That would help when you're young, but I think when you're young, it's almost a badge of honor to get involved in groups and weird stuff, just experimental living. The problem with that is Peyton picked Bo Nix. That's his guy.

And, you know, if Bo Nix doesn't look good and they win like five games. Sean Payton starts next year on the hot seat. Well, it's, it's, I would say this. It's not fair, but that's how it is. Yeah, I mean, I, first of all, when you select the quarterback, you're always in this league on the hot seat. He's going to be tied to Bow Nix?

Yeah, that's his selection. I mean, unless Zach Wilson emerges as some kind of new quarterback for him and his lights out, nobody expects that to happen. Well, and also, I think, you know, you can say what you want. Nobody, he's got a Super Bowl, but nobody looks at Sean Payton and wonders if he can coach. No reasonable person. So I would push back on a hot seat. If Bow Nix looks like, okay, he's going to be the guy, but struggles because he's a rookie and rookie struggle, I don't think you're on the hot seat.

It'd be one thing if Bo Nix can't play a lick, he looked like Zach Wilson. What if he looked like Bryce Young? It's a different conversation. But I can tell you he won't. 61 college starts and also Bryce Young did not have Sean Payton as a coach also Bryce Young did not

have Cortland Sutton Bryce Young did not have this offensive line Bryce Young would have struggled a little bit in Denver but Carolina had no help they traded away DJ Moore so you got a number one receiver a really good tackle

Cortland Sutton's a one I think he's really good I mean on the market he'll generate they can't give him up because they let go of Jerry Judy they moved him. Cortland Sutton's a really, really... He's good. He's very good. Yeah, he's a top 12 receiver, top 15. I don't know about that. Well, if you're top 32, you're a one. He's top 32. No, there's not 32 ones in the league. Well, I mean, he's the best receiver easily for them. Next to Jerry Judy, he was a much better player than Jerry Judy, who people think

should be a one. Let's see what Judy does in Cleveland this year. Well, it's Defansky. I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Okay, all right, fair enough. But listen, there's a reason the Broncos win total is one of the lowest in Vegas doesn't believe in them. Okay, last year, I told you, Vegas made a mistake on the Rams. Vegas is making a mistake on Denver. They're not a five-win team. That is probably as good at better as you're going to have.

Here's the schedule. At Seattle. What do we know about Seattle? Sean Payton against the rookie coach? Seattle's going to be favored in that one. Okay. Ever at home? Yeah, they were favored against the Rams at home last year and got blown out.

Always take the Rams. By the way, then Pittsburgh at home, what do we know about that mess? That's a winnable game for Denver. Yeah, at Atlanta. You don't know what your... No, that's Tampa. At Tampa, Raiders, Saints, Carolina. Well, get one loss for the Jets.

Actually, you're right. The schedule early, Raiders are one of the worst teams in the league. Bucks, nobody really believes. And by the way, Week 18, Kansas City. If they've got it sealed up, they're not playing Mahomes. So don't bet the under on the Broncos. No, it's one of the best over bets on the board. Their early schedule, when you're trying to get boned.

confidence in reps is a lot of nonsense. I mean, just say it out loud, Gino Smith, Steelers offense, Baker, Aaron Rogers and the Jets noise, Raiders. Even Harbaugh's got a new team and no big weapons on the outside. That's a viable, winnable game. Okay. And they got Carolina on the schedule. And the Saints?

I mean, listen, they're not going to go to Baltimore and win, and they're not going to Kansas City and winning. So those are ELs. But everything else on this board, they have a lot of games like against the Colts and the Browns and the Steelers that are at home that are go-either-way games, they get most of their go-either-way games at home. I think there are a five-and-a-half win total. So listen, hey, you need to put your money where your mouth is.

That's my best over-bent. Last year was the Rams. Yeah, it really is. Wow. Do you know how hard it is to go five and 12? No, I'm a winner, so I don't know what that's like. I have no idea what five and 12 it looks like. Next up, Russell Wilson left Denver to join the Steelers on a one-year-old.

deal this off season. Listen, it wasn't a good run in Denver, obviously, for Russ, but he says he's hardly feeling his age entering his 13th NFL season. Yeah, I just, I feel, you know, I feel revived in every way, mentally, emotional, spiritually. I feel confident, you know, I think at some point you got to know who you are, you know, as a player, as a man, as a competitor, you know, as somebody who's been a fortunate being playing this game. You know, I don't doubt it. You know, I just trust it. I felt really good last year playing, you know. I felt really confident in the midst of everything.

And so I think right now I have all that confidence to extend. All right, we'll see. They'll be interesting. I don't think they'll be great, but they'll be interesting. You do a haircut there for Russ. You see the buzz? It looks like he's going to basic training. A lot of new things going on with Russ.

Yeah. I don't know. I'm not feeling this Pittsburgh team. I know. Anytime we talk about him on the show, you know, Pittsburgh has a rabid audience. of fans. They just come after. Oh, Tomlin's never under 500. You guys are so

wrong. Can we raise our standards in life to we've never been terrible to we're excellent? Like if your whole thing is hey, we're never under 500, do you want a breath mint? What do you want for them? Honestly, that's the standard of the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's like the Yankees

celebrating a wild card appearance. We've never been under 500. Wow. I got to believe McBey and Kyle Shanahan have loftier goals than that. Indeed. Final story is the NBA. NBA finals game three tonight and we've got some weird Chris Stap's Porzingis drama. Boston is calling it a rare injury to his left leg and he's listed as questionable. I'm not even going to mention the injury because it's a bunch of words that are gobbly gook. Nobody's going to understand it. But it's not the same leg

where he had the calf strain. So now he's got both legs banged up here. I love. Maybe this keeps the door ajar for the Mavs to sneak in and make it interesting. I really like the Mavs tonight. Now I think Tatum will come back and play very well, won't be as nervous. Now he can go on the road, not the anxiety of performing at home as the star. I think Tatum's big tonight. I think Lively, the young kid, the rookie, gets away from Boston's crowd, gets home.

He plays better. I think Porzingis probably doesn't play. doesn't play much. I think the Mavs come out early. I think Dallas wins. I think they win semi-comfortably. I do think Tatum plays well, but expect Lively to do something tonight. I think Kyrie and Lively have been affected by the crowd. The Boston intensity has affected the rookie and the former Celtic. I think they both go back and play well tonight. Porzingis on the court is a plus 25 in the series. When he's off the court, it's Even.

Zero. So, like, he's a big factor for the Celtics. Coming off the bench. He's outscored the Mab's entire bench in both games. No, no, no. He is why they call him a unicorn. It's just his ability to protect the rim. You can beat him defensively.

And he has what they call for corners catch-up speed. He has catch-up length. Yeah. So it's, he's an absolute factor. He had a great year. So don't be surprised by this. He was a very effective player. Now, now he's only being listed as questionable for tonight.

I bet you they keep him out. No. Keep him out? If they fall behind by 13, 14 early, because he's coming off the bench. If they fall behind 13, 14, why playing? I don't know if Dallas can get that kind of margin with Boston. It's real weird. By the way, I saw a stat since you mentioned Tatum.

He had, I believe, 29 drives to the basket in game two, the most he's ever had in his career. 29 drafts. He's just taking Luke off the dribble. Whoever's guarding him, center, Kyrie. He's just attacking relentlessly. That's how he ended up with all those assists. Now, he couldn't finish it, the Rami shot like 6 of 22. But he had double-digit assist because he's driving and kicking.

I don't think Dallas can stop Boston, Colin? I mean, Tatum and Brown are just, anytime the shot's not falling, they're just attacking the Ramin. Dallas can't stop. There's a difference between Boston's going to win the series and Boston can have an awful game three first half on the road. So that's what I'm predicting, that Boston falls behind. It's clunky.

They decide in-game not to play Porzengis. Why bring him off the bench? Tatum's playing well. Nobody else has quite got it. So if you go to NBA champions, even Michael Jordan's bulls had clunkers on the road. They had a clunker, I think, against the Sonics at home and a closeout game. Like you, great teams. They were up 3-0 on the Sonics and lost the next two.

Yeah. I mean, so great teams have bad halves and bad. the NBA. Kyrie Irving comes out, goes eight for nine, Lucas, Luca. All of a sudden, Jalen Brown's off. Porzingis, let's not play him. You're down 16th. Stuff in these games.

You know, the NBA now, you can catch up quickly. You can fall into a canyon fast. Now listen, Boston is currently 14 and 2 in the playoffs, Colin. Yeah. If they sweep Dallas and go 16 or 2. That's an interesting proposition. Listen, Golden State with KD went 16 and 1. Yeah.

Kobe and Shaq went 15 in 1 because there was only the the five-game first round. This would be historic stuff if they go 16 and two. Yeah. Like, dominant. Their winning margin, remember the 50-point wins this season? Yeah. I know people don't want to hear it. If they sweep the mabs, this is one of the great runs of all time. Yes. And I don't know if people think they're like, oh, they're not a top five, top 10 team ever.

They're more dominant than any 80 Celtics team ever. And there's more talent. And there's more talent in the NBA now than ever before. People are like disrespecting this team. Like, well, Bird never peeled off. nine straight playoff wins. That did not happen. Remember, the NBA, when Durant went to Golden State, the league did not like that.

So the new CBA was built to avoid that. So I would make the argument, the Celtics aren't all-time great. The talent is more spread out over the league because that's what the league wants. They're making it virtually impossible to get a third star. So Boston is really good,

not great all-time, but the league has great talent, but it's all spread out through the league. There's only like four teams in the league. Detroit's one of them, obviously. There's only about four teams you look at and you're like, they got no players. Houston wasn't good. They got players.

San Antonio's not good. They got Wemby. Orlando's not there yet, but by next year they could be really interesting. So the league's got talent everywhere. You can go 10 years ago. Like the bottom six teams were like felt talentless. We got teams that are stacked like the clippers that got bounced in the first round. Remember, Porzingis was like a two.

Wasn't he a two in New York? He was like a two in Washington. He's like a three or four with Boston. There were nights. He was a one in Washington. Drew Holliday is like a three or four. And he could be a two on some teams. Drew Holliday, when Chris Middleton got hurt,

he was a two in Milwaukee. I don't know how they got so stacked. And I'll argue Derek White, they stole him. Derek White on bottom tier teams is a two in this league. Yeah, he would have been the second best player on the Spurs season. No question. No question. He's the second best on the first. He might have been second best on the Pistons.

I don't even know if they have a one. But Boston is genuinely stacked. The league would prefer Boston not happen that you'd have a good team and then you'd get Porzengis and Drew Holiday. They don't want it to be as lobsided. I don't think we're going to get a sweep,

but if we do, it is an interesting discussion to have. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, we're Kavino and Rich. Fox Sports Radio every day, 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern.

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The Euros finally kicking off this Friday when host Germany take on Scotland live on Fox. Don't miss it. Coverage begins at 3 p.m. Eastern. So I was thinking about this. Aaron Rogers, according to Diana Rusini, not only missed Day 1 of Minicamp, he's going to miss all of it. For an event, which we're not sure what it is, but how many week-long events are there? Be that as it may, Aaron falls into a group of all. older quarterbacks finding a new team, but his feels different.

The other guys, the other older quarterbacks that went to a team felt sort of grateful and they were hyper-focused all-in. I mean, Russell Wilson didn't work, but he was all in, right? I mean, Peyton Manning goes to Denver. He had four neck surgeries. He was grateful for a second opportunity and was phenomenal and was all-in, even though physically he wasn't his best. when Brady went to Tampa, he was doing illegal practices at Jesuit high school that a local helicopter news vehicle discovered.

He was all in. Matt Stafford went to the Rams so grateful finally having a franchise that was well run and McVeigh's brilliance all in. Aaron in New York has felt a little different, sort of like, hey, you're lucky to have me. I get Hackett, Alan Lazzard, and Cobb. made demands. It's one thing when Brady said, give me gronk, still a great player.

It's another if you're taking players who you force them to hire that didn't have really the ability to be hired on the market, Nathaniel Hackett, or really weren't NFL players, Randall Cobb, or you overpay for number three receivers or four receivers, Alan Lazard.

I'm okay, Brady asking for gronk. Or Leonard Fernette. I get that. But from the beginning, it hasn't been much gratitude. It's your lucky to have me. And I would argue, or at least ask you to entertain the thought, is that Aaron's never really been in terms of football. Maybe he is in life, but in football, he's never come off as grateful.

He was pissed at the NFL coming into the league because of where he was drafted. He dropped. He was not happy having to sit behind Rogers for three years, very quickly with my Mike McCarthy didn't appreciate his coaching, even though McCarthy, to his credit, Green Bay and Dallas, averages about 10, 11, 12 wins a season. By the way, unhappy with one of the best front offices in the NFL in the last 20 years, the Green Bay Packers,

and could not form a relationship, was not grateful for Devante Adams. I mean, Brady's like best friends with, like, his number four receivers, his Chris Hogan's. Forget Welkers and Edelman's and Gronks. Brady's buddies buddies with all of them. Aaron could not sacrifice a little more time for Devonthe Adams. So it feels like Manning in Denver, Stafford in L.A., you know, Brady in Tampa,

there was a level of gratitude, a relentlessness, an all-in, let's make this work no sacrifices. For Aaron, he talks the game, but he's not walking it. He said this. He said this after the season ended. And this matters. Everything that we do has to have a purpose, too. When you step in the building, there's intentionality with everything that you do. And it's not a half-the-time thing.

It's not a sometimes thing. It's not a most of the time thing. It's an every-time thing. If you want to be a winning organization, and to put yourself in position to win championships and be competitive, everything that you do matters. And the that has nothing to do with winning needs to get out of the building. You know, it sounds like Jordan Peterson.

out of a seminar, but you got to live it. We got to get all non-football stuff, the BS out of the building. Well, I'd argue Aaron's some BS and he's not in the building, so maybe it's fitting. But you can sound like a psychologist. You can sound like a TED Talk. You got to live it. If you're going to demand commitment, you've got to live like Tom Brady. If you're going to demand brain power, you've got to be as smart as Peyton Manning.

If you're going to demand armed talent, you've got to have to have. have Matt Stafford's suitbone. And if you're going to demand no more non-football stuff, you can't take minicamp off for an event and nobody's quite sure what it is and it's unexcused. That's the BS you were lecturing the franchise on. So, you know, I say what you want about it. I just don't think it looks very good.

So, and we'll keep you up to. I've been told for at least some of this, he was out of the country. For at least some of it, that's what I was told. And I have no idea what the event, I don't know what lasts a week. A sales conference, a corporate retreat, Coachella, jury duty,

I don't know what lasts a week. For a star quarterback in the NFL, golf tournaments or a weekend, maybe. So, women's basketball in this country, Olympic women's basketball cannot get out of their own way. So they aren't. now reeling a little bit, not putting Caitlin Clark on the team, and they cited her inexperience

as the reason why. Well, okay, that's funny because I looked this morning four different times, rookies in the WNBA made the Olympic team. Brianna Stewart, Sylvia Foles, Candice Parker, Diana Tarasi. So I'm not buying the inexperienced thing. I'm also not buying, well, she's not one of the top 12 players. either is Diana Tarassey. I'm also not buying that, you know, her game, it's being duplicated.

They've already got three-point shooters. Well, Sabrina on Nescu, one of the best three-point shooters on this women's Olympic team, is off to a really rough start so you could use her. So just think about it this way. This is what I'm struck by the whole time. If I did you, let's reverse. if you did me a huge favor, wouldn't I owe you one? You do me a seismic favor, a life-changing favor.

I'd owe you one. So Caitlin Clark and players complained about this for years, 26, 27 years, our travel second rate. She got them chartered flights, singularly. don't you owe her something you know besides a box of chocolates I don't know maybe squeeze her into the Olympic team I mean if I if you got me you were a rich cat you were a guy would leverage or a woman would leverage

and you got me two years of private jet travel upgrades I'd probably invite you to the wedding probably probably do something for your kids something substantial I mean just in the favored apartment She got them the attention they've been begging for, and the private chartered flights, they've been lamenting. You can't do her a solid? You can't squeeze her in. You've done it four times.

You put a rookie on the Olympic team four different times. And she's certainly in this three-ball era uniquely skilled. She has the best range in the league. Her shots don't even look like WNBA player shots. you're going to tell me one of your best three-point shooters is having a little bit of a turbulent start. You can't bring the best

range. You also you can't use this excuse either. Well, she's not good enough. When's the last time the United States women's 11th basketball team lost a game? You've won seven straight golds. The

margin here is massive. This is not like tight margins. You're winning the gold. You always win the gold. So I just think just on, there's instead of the pettiness, which we see, and the body language and the clear jealousy among some W, not all, but some WNBA players, got to grow up a little bit.

When somebody does you, this is the way life works, if somebody does you a solid, two massive solids that you've complained about for years, you kind of owe them one. A little squeezeer into the final spot. A little favor? I mean, if you and I complained about travel for two years and somebody got us, you and I fly to events or remotes,

free two-year private jet upgrades. You and I are sitting down figuring, what are we going to do for that person? Something fairly substantial. What are we going to do for that person? So is there an analogy here that the WNBA was like, a garage rock band right and they're playing for neighborhoods and its birthday parties and then all of a sudden they've got a chance to add like this amazing singer nobody gets kicked out

of the band but you level up and get this new singer and it's like holy cow you're playing you're playing you're playing at life stadiums you're all of a sudden playing stadiums are you going to be resentful of that person or extremely happy that you're everything you've got is elevated you're now getting side deals because of the uh promotion that this new star has added to your band Caitlin Clark is that for the WNBA And it's weird Like the rest of the band's like No I get her away

No I'm not interested I don't And they're like refusing to give her the credit Well what about me I deserve some credit The LA Sparks had a game scheduled For the pyramid in Long Beach And then moved it to crypto

And it was sold out Like She got a standing ovation I was there She got a standing ovation during introductions Caitlin Clark everybody's everybody Spark fans everybody

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