The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Knicks didn't have a plan

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

After Aaron Rodgers met with the media for the first time since joining the Steelers, Colin questions if Mike Tomlin is the right fit He wonders if the Knicks have a real plan in place to find their next head coach after being denied the ability to talk to Ime Udoka, Chris Finch and Jason Kidd   Guest: Sean McVaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'll get to that in five minutes. An absolute disaster for the United States men's national team. Do not downplay it. It is a disaster. It is rock bottom and we continue to grab a shovel and dig really, really bad. I want to start, though. I think people sometimes think I have something against Aaron Rogers, and I just don't care.

Do I think I was the first media person like 9, 10 years ago to talk about his body language and how he was increasingly playing safe and it was too caught up on his passer rating and passive aggressive. Yeah, I did, and I was right. But that's not going to affect my opinion about Pittsburgh. I think he'll be fine. I think he'll miss a couple games. I think he'll go 8 and 9, 9 and 8.

That's fine. But instead of that, let's just look at history of top older star quarterbacks past their prime when they have gone to a new environment. There's nine that come to mine. I'm not talking to Andy Dalton or Joe Flack. or Nick Fulce. I'm talking stars like Cam Newton, Aaron Rogers. So there's nine that I would, in recent history. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers went to Indy,

had a great year. Aaron Rogers with the Jets, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton. Again, so how did it work out for those nine? Well, let's put them in two camps. One being successful. Brady won a Super Bowl. Stafford won a Super Bowl. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl. And Philip Rivers, I'll argue this all day, had a great year in Indy. He was 11 and 5, 97 pass-er rating, that road playoff game against Buffalo where he threw for over 300 yards, two touchdowns, no picks. He was great. I mean, Philip Rivers had a shockingly good year as last year in the NFL in Indianapolis. And if you have the other camp, the less successful camp. And that would include, obviously, Aaron Rogers with the Jets, and Russell in Denver, and Kirk Cousins in Atlanta,

that, Matt Ryan with a Colts and Cam Newton with Belichick in New England. What's the common threat? What's the truth? The truth is if you have a defensive coach as an old quarterback past your prime or an inexperienced coach, it's going to be turbulent. It's not going to be pretty. And the reason being older quarterbacks, they need fit. They can't just bulldoze or overwhelm you with talent.

Aaron Rogers in his prime or Cam Newton in their prime. They could be off on their mechanics. They could miss a read. It just, they're like human erasers. Once you get older, fit matters. Stafford needed. He needed McVeigh. Brady sought out Bruce Ariens.

Peyton Manning had some success early with John Fox, won a Super Bowl with Gary Kubiak, and again, Philip Rivers had Frank Reich. Now, Matt Ryan's tough because Matt, Matt also had Frank, but Matt was really done as a quarterback. But if you start looking at it, It's pretty clear that the Steelers lost their left tackle, their starback, their best receiver, and are completely tone-deaf on offense, this is going to be hard.

This is a defensive coacher and a defensive head coach. That's what it is. And by the way, Arthur Smith, the coordinator, six years in the NFL, three as a head coach, three as a coordinator, one top ten offense, and the other five, bad, ugly, ineffective. So if you want to teach an old dog new tricks, you need Cesar Milan. You need an emotional behavior expert. And that is not what Pittsburgh is. That's why I think older quarterbacks, Peyton Manning when he got Kubiak, or Stafford got McVeigh.

And even though Ariens and Brady had their fights, they came out after the buy week and Tampa didn't lose again for the rest of the year. Offensive coaches have a feel for offensive lines, the playbook. I mean, Brady is largely. admitted, they kind of laughed at Belichick's lack of knowledge about offense. That's not a shot at Mike Tomlin. It's a reality with defensive coaches. So I think it's pretty clear. It's going to be pretty bumpy. I think I'm doing Aaron a solid saying nine and eight. My guess is it could be seven and ten. I think he will miss a couple of starts. They have a great center, but I don't

trust their own line. Arthur Smith, Mike Tomlin. They've got a rookie running back. They're crossing their fingers on. And here's why Aaron chose the Steelers. For my ego, I don't need it to keep playing. A lot of decisions that I've made over my career and life from strictly the ego, even if they turn out well, are always unfulfilling. But the decisions made from the soul are usually pretty fulfilling. So this was a decision that was best for my soul. And I felt like being here with Coach T and the guys they got here and the opportunity here was the best for me.

And I'm excited to be here. All right. Speaking of soul or lack thereof, the United States men's national team is one year from the World Cup on U.S. soil. And starting this weekend, they have the Gold Cup, which matters. It's something, especially when you have a new coach. And oh, do we love to blame the coach and never the players in USA soccer? Last night was as bad as it gets. Forget the fact that we have not beaten a European team since 2021.

0.1 7, 0 and 8, something like that. Last night, we gave up four goals to Switzerland in 23 minutes. The most humiliating loss ever. And that's not a shot. That's not a shot at Switzerland. Okay. Great soccer country. That was embarrassing.

Four goals conceded in 23 minutes. A year ago in the World Cup, we only, didn't we allowed, like, one goal in the group stage, held England scoreless in the World Cup? Was a year to go? held England's gorillas. So, hey, that guy Greg Burhalter doesn't know what he's doing. He's not getting the most out of our highly skilled players. Burrhalter is out of here.

And then Yergan Cleansman, he was a bum. And then Bob Bradley's no good and Bruce Arena. So they bring in Maricio Bocatino from Europe, Tottenham. He's great with young players. He is, I'm told he is unbelievable with young players. So last night, he played a lot of those young players, and it was the most humiliating loss I can ever remember. For nothing, 23 minutes. So it's time once again for Uncle Collins' twice annual USA Soccer Reality Check.

Our talent pool, it's interesting. It's the most interesting it's ever been, but it is a really shallow pool. And last night, because our best players like Christian Pulisic, who's played in A.C. Milan last couple of years and like really difficult 50 game, 50 match schedules, he's taken a breather. And Serginio Dest is taken a breather. He's a European player too. Tyler Adams is injured. Weston McKinney beat up a little bit.

He's taken a breather. So there's an argument. Those are four of our best players. So instead we played six MLS. guys and Maricio Pocatino is discovering we are very much in the kiddie pool the shallow and if we don't have our first 11 and our best 11 we don't have much. Now we got six or seven guys playing in Europe and that's more than we've ever had but but countries like Switzerland and the top teams can often have double that and you just time and time again I don't

want to hear about our best athletes play other sports they do. But when Christian Polisic is out. Our creativity, our scoring, our imagination, our easily most skilled player is out. I'm sorry, it's the Cavs Without LeBron several years ago. We are not the same. So, I mean, it's obvious that America is lacking highly skilled laborers in tech, science, and in soccer. But last night was a reminder that if you take Polisick out, and our top four or five guys are not playing, injury, little low,

management need a rest after a rigorous European schedule. We don't have much. It's MLS. It is just a bunch of nonsense. Because this coach, he's the guy. He knows young talent. He develops young talent. Really?

Four goals, 23 minutes. Really? So go ahead. You blamed Bruce Arena, Bob Bradley. I mean, Greg Burholter, I thought, did an unbelievable job. You go to the World Cup stage. we allow one goal.

We have always historically been about defense, great goalies and good defense, because we don't have as many skilled players. We just don't. I know it hurts. We don't. We got about five, maybe three. Last night, none. Here's a member of the losing squad after the game.

It's really easy to look at one game, one half, and be like, oh, this is all going to pieces. They can't come back from this. But you look, you can't build up to 22. We take down Morocco at 3-0 and they make it a semifinal. Like things change that's six months apart. So it's not the end of the world. We accept that it's not good enough. And we realize that.

And so that's where the disappointment comes in. But at the same time, like we have to flip the script. We've got to make sure that we do not come out like that ever again, especially as we enter into a whole cup. Maricio Pocatino, four-game losing streak. Bob Bradley didn't do that. Yergan Cleansman didn't have that. Greg Berthalzer didn't have that.

I think it's a reality check. And this European coach, who was great in Tottenham, I think he got him to a runner-up. He's very known as very aggressive, very attacking and great with young players. We don't have the players that we can't attack if Pulisic, Weston McKinney, and Sergenio Odest are not there.

We can't do that. We just don't have the talent pool. I do not think this guy is falling. I do not think it's falling. but let's just say the roof needs repair. J. Mack, you're laughing. You are laughing. I don't want to say the sky's falling.

Let me just trash USA soccer for five minutes. Listen, you could argue they started four guys who won't even be on the World Cup roster next year. So obviously the optics are terrible. I'm on a soccer text chain with like 20 guys and they were just, you know, hammering the U.S. It was kind of a gutless performance. It's one thing.

Again, it is one thing to lose, but to give up four goals, concede four goals in 23 minutes. You're not ready to play. Yeah. That is hard to do. In hockey and soccer, that doesn't happen much. It's okay. We're going to be fine. We're going to go win the Gold Cup.

And then we're going to go to like the quarterfinals or semifinals of the World Cup in one year. It's going to be fine. Everything's fine. Our soccer schedule at the Gold Cup, Trinidad and Tobago, judging by last night, that's a coin flip. Stop it. Saudi Arabia and Haiti. We're going 3 and O, probably outscoring them like 7 to 1. Just park that down.

Okay. Seven goals. Okay. We're going to be fine, Colin. It's okay. All right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us to Jonas brothers.

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and they are in a free fall, four straight losses, haven't beaten a European team since 2021. And again, a lot of their players played in these kind of rigorous, intense European schedules. So some of them were taking time off. I get it. But the Gold Cup always felt like it mattered to me. Maybe it doesn't anymore. But six MLS players among the starters last night got routed.

I mean, it was just awful. So we'll talk about that. Hey, I thought this was problematic. And this is every New York Knicks' worst fear coming to fruition. So yesterday, I made a doke, is a great coach, was with the Celtics, for personal reasons, inappropriate behavior, got fired when to Houston. Very good coach. The Knicks wanted to interview him since they fired Tibbs. And the Rockets said, no, they denied the Knicks even an interview. Well, we all know

Chris Finch is great. He's with Minnesota. Let's get him. And the T-Wolves denied the Knicks an interview. That's over two. The Mavericks now, according to Shams, the Dallas Mavericks have told the Knicks, nope, you're not, you don't get an interview with Jason kid. So the top three candidates, high profile successful coaches, nope, nope, nope. Okay. So does this mean that the at times very impulsive, highly emotional James Dolan had no plan? So I said this yesterday. Dolan has always seen himself as an artist. He's in a band, MGM Entertainment. One of his best friends is Irving Assoff, who used to own a record label, a wildly successful marketer, manager, and promoter of talent.

And it was still one of his best friends, I believe. And that's okay. Dolan sees him, that's why I went to Vegas and created the sphere. Rock stars are among his friends. But as we know with artists, sometimes they can be impulsive and they can be emotional, and James Dolan

always loves the company of stars. And whether it's Phil Jackson is a GM, well, it was kind of Jerry West was kind of running the GM part. Let's get Amari Stodham Meyer with bad knees. That's always been James Dohn, impulsive. So when he went and built the spheres for a couple of years, he was removed. I'm not saying he's done a smart guy, but he is more

artists than accountant. And my take is, now he's back in the fold. And there was a, according to reports, he listened to his players, his stars, and his stars grumbled about Tibbs, who practices him hard, who plays him a lot of minutes, and he acquiesced to his star players. And now they don't have a coach and the top three candidates. He can't interview him. So when he was gone for a couple of years, I had said this multiple times and I did not consider it a shot at James Dolan. It was a reality. He was distracted in Vegas with a sphere, a magical, musical entertainment mecca.

It's nothing like it in the world. Never been, but it's supposed to be amazing. And all I'm saying is, did he act impulsively? Because when he was not there, they were pragmatic, they were patient, they had a plan, and firing Tibbs, it's not the same. He was the culture. So you just fired the culture and that, not sheer talent, is why you were so interesting and captivating and good for two years. It just feels very impulsive to me. Somebody who is not, he is now in his ninth year, entering his ninth year with the Rams,

Sean McVeigh is now joining us live, and we appreciate that. He's a busy guy. Great to see you, Sean, as always. You look rested as rested as you guys can be. How are you doing? I'm doing good. You know, I don't know if my wife would agree with you that I'm not impulsive, but other than that, I think everything is good.

So far, so good. You know, I was talking to less neat about this. I said, you guys have done such a great job building the defense. You've got to get some toys for Sean McVeigh. and they go out and they get Ferguson, the tight end from Oregon, who I watched a ton of. He's a real player, Devante Adams, to go with Puka. And I did feel like this draft was a little bit of, hey, let's get Sean some burst and some youth and some different guys offensively.

Will the offense look the same? What is your sort of sense, a star tied in? Devante Adams, a healthy Puka. By the way, Kyron Williams now sounds like he is totally dedicated, very critical of himself in the fumbles. is the offense going to look mostly the same? You know what? I think we're in the process of building that right now, Colin.

What I do feel really good about is over the last couple years, being able to really lean into the draft with some foundational guys, and then you can get a little bit more strategic and specific with the way that we onboarded, whether it's through free agency, even bringing Coleman Shelton back. I think it's a big deal for our offensive line and the continuity. Adding to Vonté, as you mentioned, and then in the draft, when you have six picks,

I wanted to continue to add to our defensive front. You get an inside backer who we like, and then you get a skill position from each of the three main groups with the tight end receiver and running back. So we are excited. I mean, Matthew's been outstanding leading away. But as you and I both know, we're building foundations in the offseason. We've got to continue to do that into training camp.

And you hopefully stay as healthy as you possibly can while finding your style of play and identity that fits these guys best. You know, I've been saying this is that I do think as quarterbacks get older, offensive coaches have a different sensibility with O lines, with pass protection, and it's just the reality is that it's one thing when Stafford's 26 and he can bulldoze through some things or Aaron is 28, but as Tom Brady aged and Peyton Manning and Matt Stafford, it's different. There are certain things they can't just talent out of.

How do you coach Stafford today or an older quarterback than a year? younger quarterback. Are there things that you understand? Are you like a protective parent sometimes? He's 37 and do you think to yourself, hey, I'm not going to have him practice today? Or I don't want him doing that. Or do you coach him a little differently, not only out of respect, but because of his age? Yeah, well, I think the first thing is, is how do we keep him mentally fresh throughout the course of the year, knowing that the long journey, he's going into year 17. The good thing is he still loves football. But I think the goal is that this guy is an extension of the coaching staff. He's got such great ownership and autonomy.

And number one, are we connected, all right? And then number two, how do we set up a timetable and really a practice, rhythm, and routine for him that allows him to stay as fresh as possible, feels good and redjuvenated by the time we kick off the season. And then hopefully we're earning the opportunity to play games after those 17 that were guaranteed. And so I think the offseason approach has been a little different than in years past, and he's been. awesome. He, I'll sit down and talk about what that looks like for training camp, but he had certainly earned the right to have a huge amount of autonomy influence on what's going to be best for him because he knows, you know, he knows himself better than any of us. And going into year 17, I sure him really lucky that we're able to do this again together. One of the most remarkable stats

of last season, it's one of those that's hard to believe. You could win a few beers at a tavern if you had this bet. He said, who's the least penalized? team and he'd be like well it can't be the rams they got a bunch of kids on defense they don't know what they're dead but a bunch of 23 year olds you were the least penalized team your defense i mean almost across the board is 23 24 25 so obviously that's that's mentoring you you do have a hands-on approach even to a defense were even you surprised that they were that good because i thought sean i thought from week four to thanksgiving i thought they got about every two weeks i thought they got better. By the end of the year, they were significantly better than week four.

And it's like, that's teaching. Were you surprised at the jump in performance, and yet there weren't a lot of blown coverages? There weren't a lot of penalties. Was that even shocking to you? You know, I don't know if I ever really looked at it. I think number one, I think you got to get a ton of credit to those players, but I thought our defensive staff as a whole, I remember Chris Shula really going back to the lab. We're at one and four over the buy. Okay, now we have enough inventory of knowing what it's life like without Aaron. We've got

five games with the players and how do we maximize and accentuate their skill sets? And I thought the fluidity and flexibility of our defensive coaching staff and then being able to say, hey, are we improving throughout the year? Guys are getting earned confidence from the way that they practice. And I think you're

right. There was improvement throughout. I really thought from that New Orleans game on in the end of the, at the end of the season, represented where our defense really took control, played really well. They made teams earn it. And I don't know that I looked at it like that as much as, man, I really enjoyed going to work. It's youthful exuberance, but they played smart. These guys are instinctual players, even though they might be young in terms of experience. You know, they played smart. They understood the situations that we were in. I think that's a tremendous credit to Chris Shula, the defensive staff, and then obviously the players being able to bring it to life.

You have been at the forefront. Sean McVeigh joining us for our radio audience. You have been at the forefront of pre-snap motion. Mike McDaniel does a lot of that. You do a lot of that. I like it. I like to make the defense think. I think the more the defense thinks,

potentially the slower they get. As you do that and you keep being a very progressive coach, what is the balance on that? Because there's guys like Aaron Rogers has said, he doesn't love a ton of motion. And sometimes maybe Matt Stafford comes to you. hey, can we scale it back? Like, what is the, how do you judge that between,

does Stafford love motion? Does not all old quarterbacks do, Sean? Some don't like as much. Sure. Well, I think the first thing is Matthew's incredibly open. What we want to make sure is we're accountable, Colin, to an intent behind everything we do, not just doing it to do it.

And I do think that, you know, if I'm being honest with myself, there's been some times you get a little carried away, and there's always a balance. You decide offensively when that bolt snapped within the 40 seconds at clock or 25 seconds out of the clock stoppage. And so we've got to use that to our advantage with motions or getting out of the huddle and snapping the football.

And if I don't have a reason for why this gives us an advantage or what the intent is behind it, well, then we shouldn't be doing it. Matthew's incredibly open-minded. He understands the intent of what we're trying to get done. And I think being able to have that give and take and that balance of making sure it doesn't disrupt the integrity of them being able to execute their job. because you talk to a lot of those quarterbacks, as you alluded to,

you know, they like to be able to say, hey, all right, similar pictures. I can get a feel for what it looks like like a chessboard with how those 11 guys should be dispersed and distributed. And there is a good give and take of, well, where does that provide some relief? Maybe it's for getting access for a receiver

instead of getting a bump on him. So we always try to have a reason why we're doing it to try to be able to affect the offense in a positive way when we're motioning. So I think that my favorite, article I've ever ever read in the athletic was the story about you and Chris Peterson. And I think the truth is most coaches I've ever known in my life, college or pro. I covered Jerry Tarkhanian years ago.

He remembered every loss. And the winds just blurred. The winds just kind of into the ether. Oh, the losses were painful. And do you find yourself, I mean, because I think you're a good self-evaluator. Do you enjoy the wins as much as the losses, hurt. Are you driving home after a win thinking, man,

I had a good game plan. I'm feeling I'm going home and having a good time tonight. Can you do that at this point? After a loss? No, after a win. Are you enjoying the wins as much as the loss has hurt? You know what? I think I've gotten a lot better, Colin, about, I don't know.

I know when you win, man, that's a really good feeling and when you lose that. It's a bad feeling as well, but I will say this. I think there's a lot more appreciation for applying the appropriate perspective. How difficult it is to get that result you're hunting up. How many people are influential and instrumental and being able to bring that together? That's what I love about football so much. What I'm trying to do a better job of is making sure you don't ever take

those things for granted. I know I did in the early parts of our tenure here. And I think that's probably some of the stuff that caught up to me. And I don't want to live that way. I don't think that's a sustainable way of doing it. I think you've got to be able to cherish all those moments and then lean into the hard ones where you've got an opportunity to really handle those storms in the right way. And a lot of my failures and shortcomings has really led to that appropriate perspective that takes work to do every single day. Sean McVe coach of the L.A. Rams, by the way, five of his former assistants are current NFL head coaches. You've had a ton of success coaching against your coaches. And by the way, these are sharp guys. LaFleur and

Kevin O'Connell and Zach Taylor and Rahim Morris, now Liam Cohen. Is there, do you feel when you, you're the mentor, when you coach against guys that have come up, you've got to switch stuff up. They know your audibles. Do you find that a joyful experience, or is it sometimes are you like, do I have to switch thing? Has it forced you to be constantly amenable to change because you are now facing your system and your coaches

and your language so often. Yeah, and I think because we've got so many coaches that are in different locations, I think every single year you have to reassess and reevaluate and the stuff that we did in 17 and 18 and now, you know, there's four fundamentals and principles

that are always going to apply to good football, but from a tactical perspective, I think this league is too competitive, it's ever evolving, it always starts with the players, but I don't know they get too much into that. Now, if you are going to slow it down. You know, you got to be cognizant of they know some of the mechanics.

You might have to change up a word here or there, but because of the way that you have to mic guys up, where these audio footage is, you know, end up picking up so many things, you know, on the TV copies, you have to be really mindful of a self-stall, but those guys have been instrumental and good things here, and so it's fun to go against

them, and then, you know, but I do like going against other guys that there's not an emotional investment in. All right. Sean McVeigh is always coach great seeing you appreciate you stopping by yeah thanks for having me always appreciate it you bet you know it's it's interesting talking about that when kyle shanahan came into the league i was talking to a coach about this couple years ago he goes half the leagues running some of Kyle shanan's offense so a lot of the stuff he used to you know fool people and catch people off

guard your people are practicing against all the time but you know and again the people have seen a lot of lamar jackson he's still extraordinary But if it's a system or a scheme and half the league is running it, it's harder for McVeigh. A lot of people are using their language, their scheme, their tempo. But he continues to win. And there was some little bit of audio difficulty on that. I hope you can get through it for our radio audience. J. Mack, you're taking a very positive spin.

As I watched USA soccer go up in flames last night, I thought of you because of your little soccer business you have. And, well, I mean, it's, you know, you've done. like it. And we both love soccer and Alexei Lawless is on later. But there is something to be said. We keep bringing in new coaches and they all have specialties. Some are big believers in the MLS talent. Some are better with veteran teams. Some are better at developing younger talent. That's Mauricio Pocetino. He's seen as aggressive and develops young talent. But I do think last night was a moment you see the gap of the Swiss talent and our talent. when we don't have our top three to four players, the gap, the gulf is so substantial.

And I think that's, it's easier for U.S. soccer fans to blame the coach, because you can't replace the players. You can replace the coach. So everybody always blames the coach instead of a good, hard look in the mirror of our, of our U.S. soccer program. So just for context, our starting lineup last night, I mean, maybe Lollos will confirm this. That was like our C group, not even our B group. That was like our C team. I don't know that Pachitino did this, but it felt like he was like, you know what?

I want to arrest our guys for Trinidad and Tobago. Let me just throw out some of guys who are going to get some burn, who have not played with us before. Do you know what the line is? The U.S. is minus 1,300 against Trinidad and Tobago. We're going to open a can on them this weekend. And then we're going to smoke Saudi Arabia and Haiti. It's going to be fine. This obviously did not look great against a pretty damn good European team

with a bunch of kids who have never really played. or gotten cap with the U.S. team, Colin. I don't want you to overreact, but I think you are. Four goals in 23 minutes conceded. Not great. This isn't a basis clearing double. That four goals in soccer in 23 minutes is ugly. Yeah, it's like 51-0 in the NFL.

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Major League Baseball, Commissioner Rob Manfred, who gets a lot of heat, but baseball TV ratings are up, up, up last two years. They are considering going to an automated ball strike system by next year. Robo-Oumps. The player's major pushback. Taking away the human element would ruin baseball, one pitcher said. We used to have travel agents and switchboard operators. We took away the human element.

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Bigger bases, more stolen bases. Defensive shift was banned. More base runners. universal DH, more quality at bats. Change, change, change, and it is all worked. When I hear, what about the human element? Well, that's happening with AI and science and medicine and technology. When something's inefficient, make it faster, more efficient.

19 calls were missed, home-played umpiring, Yankees Red Sox on Sunday. 19. You're okay with that. 19. The consequences for baseball are big. Never been more money. Five hundred million dollar contracts to players like Otani. 19 missed calls. One game. So tennis had line judges. And then they got replaced by Hawkeye technology. And this weekend, record setting ratings for the French Open. Take a deep breath. Everybody's going to be okay. But this idea, if you can increase efficiency and accuracy, I consider this robo umpiring. You're not taking away all the umpires, but home plate umpiring.

By the way, there's a very strong umpire union. What's that mean? When guys stink, it's hard to replace them. So the union makes it very difficult. And the hardest part about umpiring is behind the plate. It's not first base. it's not third base, it's behind the plate. So you get older umpires who are protected by a union, hard to replace them,

except this way. Consider it like spell check. Fast, efficient, easy, without judgment. I have no problem with it. It is radical change. And you know who doesn't like this is catchers, because catchers have been framing bitches for years, and that's over with the robo-ups.

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Let's go to the NBA tonight Colin it's almost like we forgot Game 3 is tonight The big news is Tyrese Halliburton What the Hallie if you watch him Leaving the podium after game two There was a bit of a limp Yep

A bit of a limp Look people are concerned Uh oh Halliburton Well he talked about it yesterday I'm fine Yeah, really just a lower leg thing. I'll leave it at that.

I don't think there's anything more to elaborate. I feel fine and be ready to go for game three. Looks, you know, you get to these seven-game series and these long series. For many reasons, I don't like seven-game series. Part of it is your stars get beat up. Well, the Pacers haven't played a seven-gamer yet. They did play a tough six-sixer against the Knicks. I'm on the Pacers getting five and a half tonight, Colin.

Is that crazy? And I'm on the Pacers' money line as well. I would take the points. I'm not sure if I'm money-line, but I do think the Pacers, I would say Oklahoma City, when we have two teams meet in championship competition, the best defense usually wins. If there's a dominant historic offense or a dominant historic defense, remember who slowed down Michael Jordan. It was the Pippin. It was the Pistons. Right, you know, the Lakers didn't with magic in the offense. It was the pistons that slowed him down. So my take is when you have a historic defense and the fast, his pace in the league, I'll go with a defense to win the series. So the problem for the thunder in, they've had home court advantage throughout the playoffs, every game three they've looked like garbage. They were down 25 to the Memphis Grizzlies. John Morant got hurt.

They came back and won. They were down 30 at the half to Timberwolves lost by 40. And they lost game three in Denver as well. For whatever reason, leaving home, the adjustment has not been great on the road. And I don't know. I mean, Jay Dobb and Chet are shooting like garbage from three. Yeah. They're going to need somebody to step up.

I don't know who helps Shea. So I'll go Pacers, take a 2-1 lead, and finally some drama in this damn series. No good basketball team in the NBA has a different efficiency more than Oklahoma City home and away. And we theorized that Oklahoma City plays with tons of energy. It's a very young team. And even really gifted young players do not play as well on the road. Rotational players, bench players that are young do not play as well. on the road in the playoffs.

So there is a swing. OKC at home is one team. OKC on the road's another. Now, Denver was different. Denver's old. So with the Nuggets, home and away against Oklahoma City, you didn't know quite what you were.

You always got and got the same team. I think Boston, hell, the Celtics have veteran players. Porzingus, Tatum Brown. They're often better on the road than at home. But the advantage Indiana has tonight is OKC is not this. They're good, but they're not the same team on the road due to their youth and so many key rotational players. Yeah.

Next up, Colin, is your boy, Caleb Williams. We talked yesterday about his issues in that red zone drill with Ben Johnson. That's how granular we're getting here. It sounds like Caleb is appreciating the tough coaching. Reports are that he's putting in voluntary overtime to improve his grasp on the bear's offense, and Ben Johnson addressed it yesterday. He's committed to learning the offense. We're not where we need to be yet as a team,

and he understands that. and any chance he gets to get a few more full-speed reps, it sounds like he wants them. We've loaded him up. We've tried a number of different things. Long play calls, multiple plays at the line. We've dabbled here, tempo, we've dabbled here, there, and everywhere. I like it.

It's interesting, but I mean, he's totally out front. We are not there yet, and nor should they be. But I have an interesting dinner tomorrow with Chicago Bears. employee of note. I'm not going to get into it. Lots of information potentially on Friday show. I do like to hear that he's into the voluntary overtime. Because remember,

Kyler Marie wouldn't do the mandatory homework that they sent him with on his iPad. He wouldn't even touch it. Did not look at his iPad once in the owner. Then they had to put that clause in. That just shows the difference and entitlement from Murray to, hey man, I want to win in Caleb Williams. I really like this.

It stinks that your quarterback is not going to get to the playoffs this year because of that schedule. Final story, Colin, is the Cincinnati Bungles. What a disaster of an offseason this has been. Look at this, Colin. On the screen, that's their first round pick. Shamar Stewart doesn't have a contract. He's showing up so he doesn't get fine, but he's not doing the drills.

This is a total unmitigated disaster. Remember, it's coming on the heels with a Trey Hendrickson thing. Well, listen to Stewart and what he's saying about the Bengals. I've never been a person to ask for more than what I deserve. I'm perfectly content with what I deserve And I feel like You trying to implement something new To me is unfair

For I'll take it I mean It just depends Like In my case I'm 100% right I'm not asking for anything y'all never done before But in y'all case Y'all just want to win an argument

That winning more games in my opinion This is This is ugly God Well they are They are without question The cheapest organization in the NFL So it sounds like, and just going off what he said, they don't want to pay him what, you know,

historically the guy drafted and his slot has been paid. That's what it sounds like. Now, I don't know if he's asking for more, you know, these negotiations you hate when they play out of the media, but to watch him standing there and not do drills while the rest of his team works. And oh, by the way, their other best pass rusher, Trey Henderson, I mean, he's not doing anything.

Like, they don't have him signed. Colin, this is really real. Did you see the quote? by Joe Burrell. No. Joe Burrell came out and said, yes, this is a distraction. This is absolutely a distraction. So Burrow now, two years now, has come out and been very outspoken that, yes, it's a distraction.

And this is exactly what leaders do. Remember I used to be critical of Andrew Luck, who I love, but Andrew was always like hyper optimistic. Hey, everything's great over here. And it's like, no, no, your drafts were bad under Ryan Grigsend. It's not good enough. Joe Burrow is not going to do that. Joe Burrow is more of a fighter.

Joe Burrow is not going to be satisfied. So Joe Burrow, once again, yeah, this is absolutely a distraction. So would you be surprised? First of all, you take what his draft slot made last year, and then you increase it, what, somewhere between 4% and 7%. This is not real complicated for rookies in the first round. It's kind of slotted what you make. So what a shock, Cincinnati can't get it right.

And Burrow, to its credit, is calling him out. But this is where you wish NFL players had the power NBA players do. Because Joe Burrow could call him out all he wants. You know, let me see action. Maybe if Joe Burrow said, you know what, I'm done with this place. I can't deal with this crap. They're not willing to put, I don't want to play here anymore. I want out.

And he starts to like pull one of those NBA moves. That's what I want to see, Colin. Because he can say, oh, yeah, this is a distraction. They don't care. They don't care with the Trey Hendrickson thing. Why are they going to care with a rookie who, by the way, had four and a half career sacks in college. Like, I don't know.

It's just a, this is a bad, bad look for the NFL because the Bengals are a team could go, they got maybe Super Bowl aspirations with that offense? Well, only one star quarterback in the league didn't make the playoffs. That's not an indictment of Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow was statistically better than Mahomes last year. In fact, you could argue Burrow was the best quarterback in the league statistically last year. So think about that. In a quarterback league with an offensive coach, they had the best quarterback statistically

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