The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The LA sports scene

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

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You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis' keep coming to you. He's like, you know, I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.

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Okay. All right. Tolerate my nonsense for five minutes. He's a great storyteller. So there are movies that just wear well. And then there's great movies that don't. Yeah. When you were making Tommy Boy.

Okay. So I think that's just like, it's like hangover Tommy Boy. Wow. Jack Lemon had a couple of these in his day. A couple of comedies that you could watch them today and you're like, Mary Tyler Moore is still funny today. Yes. Cheers.

Cheers, yes. Did you know during Tom, was there a moment with you, Spate? And you're like, oh, this is going to be huge. No, never a moment, ever. Not one. Not one. I mean, the notion of that movie has become what it has become. And it is.

I mean, I have people, all walks of life consistently stop me. Same with Spade. And it just has become a beloved movie. And we never would have thought, ever. I mean, we thought we were making something that could be good, but never saw it, never saw it coming, having the staying power, ever. Now, you were outstanding lead actor, Emmy nomination for West Wing, which is one of the great, in my opinion,

is one of the seminal last great American television shows that, you know, Sopranos was HBO. So it's one of the last shows. It's like, I'm watching network. Cheers had this when I was younger. It was the last great network show. Yes. I think modern family was damn funny.

Yes, it was. Modern family, Steve Levittan, the writer, that was damn funny. So when you were on the West Wing, it also, stories I've read, it's a lot more than people think. It's egos, writing. Was that enjoyable or was it just successful? Here's, okay, the way I always put it is, no one ever wants to hear how hard it was to be in the Beatles. Do you know what I mean? Right.

Right? You had all these great actors. Nobody wants to hear. Nobody wants to know. They just want to love the show, which is great. It happened to be a very complicated set for any number of reasons. But the work was always so amazing. And we all knew how grateful we were.

We were all very grateful to be on it. So we were under no illusion. That's one we knew we were making. something great. We knew we were making something great. Meanwhile, that thing of you never want to hear how they make the sausage. Right. That wasn't very pretty. But the outcome, I mean, it's probably the thing I'm most proud of still. Now, you knew the Austin Power stuff, because Mike Myers was red hot. He's brilliant. You knew that was going to be big. I did. The studio didn't. I mean, think about all. Just go back. I know it's almost impossible because of what that

movie became and what it was. But like, here's the pitch. So it's a, it's a, it's a, James Bond parody of a guy with bad teeth with a cockney accent. And then there's a bald guy named doctorate. People are like, what? But we all knew it would work. On the set? Yes. Just funny.

Oh, I will never forget being there when he was ad-libbing as Dr. Evil to little Vern Troier. That looks like a baby to me. I'd like to eat that baby. I mean, you just die. Right. it was big. Yeah. So you, you know, it's, you know, like a lot of young stars in, in Los Angeles, um, you know, it, it is impossible not to dabble in the crazy side of life. But you actually are a doting dad, husband. Uh, it is, um, do you ever think if you, I mean, you had the self-awareness to get it

right yeah i've been sober 34 years yeah yeah what got you there was there an epiphany a moment a party yes oh really and what's interesting about um they call them you know when you hit your bottom right and everybody has a different bottom some are really really you know they're in jail they some of them are really bad mine what wasn't all that bad but it was enough for me to go you know what this is untenable i'm never going to have the kind of life i dream about i'm never going to be able to make it work with one woman. And it was just as simple as my beloved grandfather had had a heart attack and my mom was calling me in the days of answering machines. And I could hear her on the answering machine saying, pick up, pick up, pick up, but I was in no shape to do it. So I didn't

pick up. And I just hated that about myself. And I went into the bathroom. I looked myself in the mirror like a bat. It was like a bad movie. It was like an after school special. I literally went in and looked at myself in the mirror. And I was like, this is, this has got to end. And made a phone call, went to rehab, which I loved. I treated it like training camp. Really? Training camp for life.

Loved it. And that was 34 years ago. Good for you. Thanks for sharing that. Speaking of, you said bottom and when you said that I thought, floor, and you are on a, you are on, this is fascinating. So you did a game show and people think, oh, Rob went around the corner. No, you actually went to. Dublin tell people about,

this show is hot and sticky. Yeah, it's amazing how embrace this show. So you basically, you send everybody to Ireland. This show's become a phenomenon. I never saw that. I talked about not seeing it coming. I knew the game was great. Super addicting.

I knew people liked it, but you never know if it's going to pop off like it has. And what's so interesting is is we shoot it in Ireland. And we go to Ireland because it makes financial sense to do it. But it's just one of the great sort of inside Hollywood stories that that's where we do. It's just kind of like, you're like, what, really?

And you shoot a season very quickly. We can shoot a season in 10 days. It's a lot of work. Did you take your golf clubs? I sure did. Because you're a great golfer. How about this? I got off an international flight, went right to a run through, went to the hotel, just pulled out my golf clothes.

there was a course right next to the hotel and went and shot, tied my career best, shot a 79. Jet lagged. Jet lag is great for the golf swing. That slows it down. You're on a short list of the best celebrity golfers. You just won a tournament, didn't you? I did. They can't take it away from me.

Riviera. At Rive, I won a golf tournament at Rift. Now, it was my son John Owen, Michael Crabtree. Yeah. She's an athlete. And then, okay, I'm going to, what is this amazing actress's name? who's a great golfer. Newton is her last name.

I'll think of her first name. But she's a stick. We basically won because she was such a stick. But still, a win's a win. I'm taking it. Yeah, you're a huge, you're a big, we talked about this at lunch. You're a big baseball fan.

Love baseball. You love. Did you play it? I did. I played it up until coaches started saying, you missed practice for your auditions. And they kick me off the team. Yeah, Walker Bueller just went to practice.

You had auditions. Walker Bueller went to practice. I had auditions. I could have been Walker Bueller. You were on NBA commercials years and years and years ago. NBA is fantastic. Yes. It's hard to explain to people because people think Los Angeles, it's the beach.

They don't care about sports. Right. The Lakers, when they're hot, will always be number one in the city. Not the NFL, not the Dodgers. That's right. Take people back. It's incredible to the magic Johnson. I mean, they're making movies about it.

Take him back to that. I don't even know where to begin. I mean, what Magic meant to this town when he arrived here, it was like Santa Claus had arrived. And then he lived up to it. What he did in that game six in Philadelphia, where he played all five positions. 42.17 boards. He played center. I played center.

In his rookie year. You just can't. Believe. And then, of course, the style of play, which has now been, you know, every other team is adapted. That run and gun was not a thing. That's right. It was. It did not exist. You know, it's amazing. There are athletes infrequent, but athletes, if you go back and look at Magic's rookie year, second year, Rob, like most of that stuff, like Jim Brown people say could play today. Yeah. Magic would still be today. If you look at it, usually things don't age well. Be the best player in the league.

100%. I've always said Michael and Magic are much closer. Michael got the nine finals. No, no, no, Magic did. Michael got the six. The Blackhawks were in the Western Conference in hockey. If the Bulls were in the Western Conference, Michael goes to a final or two and loses to Bird or Isaiah,

and we get out with this six for six. Magic was in the finals nine times and retired early. Yes. He could have played as long as he wanted to. Have you ever been to an event with Magic in L.A.? When Magic enters Staples, they stand. Yes, they do. To this day.

They do it all over the world. I've seen him in Europe. And, I mean, first of all, he can't hide. There's no one who looks like him. Everybody knows what he looks like. Smile, big smile. The smile, the energy. I mean, my two guys growing up were Magic and Sugar Ray Leonard.

Oh, yeah. Those are the guys I never bet against. They were the classiest best in class. and to have had floor seats for that run, and even into Shaq and Kobe, we'll never see anything like it again. Has there ever been a sports movie you wanted to be in or you were offered and didn't?

Do you have a favorite sports movie? Well, what I'm trying, what I want to do is I want to remake the all-time greatest sports movie. I'm too old for it now. Brian's song. Oh, God, I cry. I watched that as a kid.

We all cried to it. Okay, this is my philosophy is you ask any boomer male. It was the first sports movie. It was the first movie we cried to. 100% right. I'm not crazy. No, Brian's song is, in fact, I'm not joking. I looked it up on YouTube a month ago.

I was sitting there getting nostalgic. These guys are looking at me. They're all in their third. They have no idea what Brian's song is. For all listeners, viewers out there, find it. I think it's on YouTube. It's James Con at the peak. Billy D. Williams.

At the peak. Gail Sayers, Brian Piccolo. It's Gail Sayers, Brian Pickle. It's, Gail Sayers, Brian Pickle. Chicago Bears. It's by far, hands down, not close, the best sports movie ever made. I'm not arguing. A month ago, I looked it up. By the way, this is a man who makes his living being a contrarian, and he is not arguing. That is an amount. I'm glad, I feel like I've accomplished something here. I mean, I like Hoosiers, but I didn't cry. The natural? I liked it. Miracle,

I think is great. Yes. Miracle. You've got one. Rudy. They're all good. None of them made me cry. That's not, that's, you know. Yeah. Okay. You've aged well, Rob. Actor, filmmaker, podcast host.

The Floor, Season 2 premiere on September 25th here on Fox. And what a pleasure to see again, man. Yeah, so I love coming here and talking sports. It's just the best. One of the great lunches of all time. My wife's rarely jealous of me. I mentioned multiple times. Guess who I had lunch today with shut up.

Yeah, Rob Lowe. We'll do it again. And more lunches to come. This is the Herd Best Up. Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names

of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little Notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Schovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers?

Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault? And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops.

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college basketball coach along with John Wooden of all time. He's joining us live. So you know, Mike, what's interesting, even though you often had some of the same stars, it does feel like every Olympic experience, even if you have LeBron on two teams, feels different to me. You have different chemistry, different expectations, different playing time. Take me back to your first Olympic experience and to your last and the different challenges you sometimes face, even though you have a wonderful roster. Well, the main challenge you have to face is the fact that you're playing a game that's different. You know, it's still called basketball, but it's FBA basketball, the Federation of International Association.

of basketball and a different ball, two more panels, administered just a little bit differently with referees. And so you are the team that's adjusting, the international teams, that's how they play. So there's a period of adjustment that needs to be made. And the fact that one of the main things is a lot of the teams that you play against, they have the same core people. over and over.

Like the two top teams that we played against during my time were Spain and Argentina by far. Yeah. And same guys. It was like a brotherhood for them. And so, no, it was. I mean, the Gassals played forever, Genobley, Scholar and all these guys for Argentina. And so what Jerry Colangelo tried to do when he took over USA basketball in 2005 was to create some level of continuity. So I became the first national coach. That means you had a four-year run, just like

Steve Kerr has a four-year run. And that created continuity. And then could you get some of the same players? So in 2008, with the Redeemed team, five of those players ended up being on the London team in 12. And five players from our World Championship team in Istanbul also came. So I, I had 10 players who understood Fiba, understood Fiba. And that helps. And that's what's helping Steve Kerr right now. You have Kevin Durant that's going for his fourth gold medal. LeBron going for his third.

You have guys, you know, Curry, a lot of people said he's going for his first goal, but he has two goals. He won the world championship in 10 and in 14. So he understands. Feeba and so does Anthony Davis. The veterans on that team and a couple of the guys who played for Coach Popovlevance for Pop in winning in Tokyo are on the team. So there's some level of familiarity, Colin, and that is really very, very important. So I think it's difficult. It's only 40 minutes long. Everybody's great. Steve Kerr the other day literally apologize for not

getting Jason Tatum in, but sometimes it's matchups. Sometimes you need, I felt bad for him because I'm thinking to myself, well, right now Derek White and Drew Holiday work in this rotation is, did you find when you were coaching, you, you wouldn't do this at Duke, but you were looking down the bench thinking, I got this great All-Star. I got to get him in the game. Did you coach sometimes like that? You know, I'll be honest with you.

I did not. But when we met as a team and developed standards of how we were going to live together, and we were bonded by the fact that we wanted to win the goal. And really, the only question that will be asked of a player, say I played in the Olympics in 2024, they're going to ask, did you win? They're not going to ask how much you played, how much you scored. Did you win? And so I asked each of the guys to give me their word to pledge that they would do anything that they that was needed.

Less minutes, more minutes, not playing, playing to win the gold medal. And they all did. And we tried to come up with a rotation of probably nine guys and maybe 10 and who started and to give some level of continuity. And then a key thing in the real close games was to have a closing unit in the last six minutes or so that were accustomed to playing with one another. That would be somewhat different from the starters. Yeah. Yeah. And I tried to use that throughout.

And I never really, I didn't worry about the playing time of players because they shouldn't be worried about it. They should only be worried about one thing and that's winning. I think this team has that mentality. And I can tell you that the five teams I coached, all those guys were terrific in handling that. So international. You can't worry about, you cannot worry about playing time. You got to be worried about defending the three and not committing too many team files that give them free throws. And if we do those two things, then we're going to win.

international basketball has exploded. I can remember 25 years ago when people talked about international players. They were like, oh, they're soft. Domestic players are tougher. Well, now we're adopting and adapting to their game. I watch Wemby sometimes block shots in the NBA with his elbow. Do you remember, I mean, it's insane. He doesn't look like any player I've seen.

Even a Chet Holmgren, who was terrific at Gonzaga and OKC, doesn't really compare I do you remember the first time you heard about Wemby? I mean, what do you, what do you make when you watch it? What when was the first time you heard about Wembe? Yeah, a few years ago when I had not seen him yet and then and seeing him for the first time and where he's like maybe four or five inches taller than go bare. I said, oh, my God. And then he's dribbling the ball and shooting jump shots and going behind his back.

said, all right, there's nobody like this guy. Yeah. And, but, you know, Colin, one quarter of the NBA's players are international players. And that's only going to increase because the international players are taught differently. They're not in a scholastic and academic environment that regulates how much they can practice, how much they can play. So in some respects, they have a greater continuity of being coached. And we need to change that in our country in men's college basketball

and not having 20 hours a week only of practice or four hours a week during the summer. It's outdated. It's ridiculous. And we need to have shot clocks in every state. We need to play the game the same way. our country. Yeah. It's played in so many different ways.

Whereas in the other countries, if you're in France, Spain, Italy, whatever, from a youngster until you're an adult, you play the game the same way and you're accustomed to playing with the shot clock. So a couple non-Olympic things to discuss. I like JJ Redick. I think he's smart. I think he's a... What do I?

I love him. He's curious. He's feisty. He's completely. had all the things that make a great coach. Some have said he can be a little arrogant. He can be. But some of the great players and coaches have that.

There's a line between that arrogance and confidence. When you hear that, when you hear the criticisms, that he's a little arrogant, you know, what do you make of that? Because I always thought he was super confident, but I kind of think that's his DNA. That's his edge. What do you make of those criticisms?

Well, yeah, I don't pay any attention, tone because, you know, we're dominated by social media. So who is making the criticism? You know, where, you know, opinions are good, but where is the opinion coming from? Right. You know, and, and what's the source? For me, JJ, JJ's amazingly competitive and is prepared as well as any player that I coached at Duke. He's smart. He's confident. And he's understands the game and having 15 years of being a pro, he has empathy for the guy trying to make it when he is trying to make it. He makes it. And for the veteran who is still trying to make it. He was never a superstar in the NBA, but he was certainly a superstar in the

national player of the year when he played in college. So I think he has empathy for what a roster would look like. He certainly understands the pro game, and he desperately wants to be a coach. And I think he surrounded himself up to now. I don't know his entire staff with some veteran coaches, which will, that will help him. But I, I love him. I think he's terrific. And I, I think he can relate to his players at the best level. Yeah. You've had such a great opportunity and have a relationship with LeBron James. And I've said he reminds me a bit of Tom Brady where he's such an adult. Tom and him have such deep respect for the game itself, for the academic scholastic side, for the training side.

I want you to go back because you've had a relationship with LeBron forever. And much like Wemby, Pete, we don't get to see practice. stuff. You got to see practice stuff with LeBron. Take me to a moment. Maybe it was Olympics. Maybe it was high school. When you recruit all these guys from Zion to LeBron to Christian Leitner, who I thought still one of the greatest college basketball players I've ever seen. Do you remember the first glimpses of LeBron? And did you not only see athleticism, but just a different mindset. He was 20 going on 40. Did you notice it immediately? I noticed him when I started coaching him how smart he was. You know, you're, you're a little bit shocked at the athleticism and just this amazing athlete that that's there.

And then you add intelligence. Then you add a command voice. Then you add leadership. And then you add something that a lot of people. don't have and that's the will to prepare to win. Yeah. Everyone wants to win. Not everyone will pay the price every day, every year to be at their best.

Before a practice, I mean, he has the same guy helping him for two decades. Yeah. You know, he stretches for over a half hour. And he preps his body and while he's prepping his body, he's prepping his body, He's prepping his mind. And he's just so damn prepared. He and Kobe were the two guys, I thought, were just above everyone in preparation. Physical, mental, you name it.

And when they were on the court, at a practice or in a game, they wanted to be the best. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. All the time. and they paid the price for it. And, you know, we, for anyone who knocks LeBron in any way, they're just crazy. Like, you know, we're not going to see anybody like him.

Nope. He's one of a kind. Yep. Just in what he's doing in the Olympics, his verve, his demeanor, his attitude. You know, I mean, he helps his team by how he looks. Yeah. Not just how he plays. I want to play with a guy who looks like him because there's hardly anybody who looks like that.

I mean, facially, not just body-wise, is the face of a champion. This guy has that face of a champion. Finally, I know we don't want to build up Cooper Flagg too much, but I did watch him. And he's a really interesting player. Yeah. So for somebody that had never seen him play, obviously, he was very good, very early. And he's going to be the number one, two, or three pick. And who knows NBA?

But if I'd never seen him play, I want you, 42 years at Duke. I've never seen him play. And you tell me about what would I expect going to see Cooper? What does he do in your labyrinth of experience? What does he do that is unique? Well, it's something that a lot of players are not doing right now. And he loves to not only play, he loves to compete. I'm talking about love.

You know, like he, you know, he doesn't care who's watching. He's playing. He loves the game. And that's not found as much. You know, like he plays the game because he loves it. And he's an outstanding athlete. He's positionless. And he competes like crazy.

He's got a, I don't know if I haven't coached him, but watching him. He seems to me has a temper or an anger, a competitive anger that takes him to a whole not another level. Like he, he's totally immersed in playing. and then he's extremely talented. He's not just talented. He's extremely talented. But he has all those intangibles that I've just said. And so if you put that in an outstanding athlete,

you're going to have a very special basketball player. And this kid hopefully he stays healthy and continues to maintain that. In this world of now social media and all, you know, I think people can get too, a player can get too caught up and all that and in what other people think of them. Forget it. Forget it's what you think of you. Yeah. Yeah, what your coaches think of you.

And just stay in that lane and keep that passion. And this kid's going to be very, very special. You know, I was finally, I was thinking about this. I've called her Taylor Swift in tennis shoes is what I call Caitlin Clark, is that I knew she was talented years ago. And then all of a sudden, Taylor Swift does the ERAs tour and you can't get tickets. She sells out SoFi Stadium seven nights in a row. Everybody in L.A. went to it.

And I watched Caitlin Clark a couple years ago. And I'm like, oh, she's fun to watch. And it is a tsunami of basketball. Were even you taken back, first of all, she's very good. But were you taken back by what she's done to women's basketball? Because I, it's got a Taylor Swiftfield coach. It's like taking over the country. Well, it does.

And I think also it's the moment to take it over. You know, women's basketball is terrific. And it's continued to progress. And all of a sudden now, it seems this opening for her. And it's like it meshes. And, you know, one of the cool things about her is that she was at Iowa for a career. So she became like a cult hero there. Yeah.

So she was, it was like an off-Broadway thing, you know, where she was accustomed to the crowds and whatever. and she handles it so well. And she had like about a 10 game adjustment in the WNBA. And now she's going crazy there also. You know what she is? She's genuine. And I think her knowledge,

her feel for the game, I think the best thing she does is pass. Yes. Yes, she's a great passer. She's an amazing passer. And she sees things. I mean, everyone talks about her shooting and her scoring, and obviously she does that really well.

But she makes teammates better in putting her on a WNBA team where you have adults, you have older players and really talented players, you're going to see her talents even more. And I think you're continuing to see it. And she's going to be one of our great American players. I know some people are angry about her not being on the Olympic team. And the timing wasn't right yet, you know. But certainly she'll be long there.

And it's kind of like in 2008, Kevin Durant was on our select team. And we almost picked him for the redeemed team. And then he was on the world championship. in 2010 and let us since he averaged 33 points in the metal round and then he took off. I think that trajectory will be there

for Caitlin. I really admire how she's handled everything and she's won over the people competing against her. Yeah. They see that she's tough. She can handle it. but I love her passing.

I think passing's become a little bit of a lost art with all the ball handling drills and whatever. And she sees things that most players do not see. 42 years, five championships, three-time Olympic gold medal winning coach, the great Mike Shosheski. You look great, by the way. You're obviously, you're doing something right. You're happy and joyful because you look fantastic.

You don't have to be on the recruiting trail 24. seven that you probably sleep now occasionally right that helps the recruiting trail is not the one i want to be on anymore no i i'm really lucky i do i consult for the NBA now i speak a lot i still work at duke i'm in my conference my conference from and i got 10 grandkids that live within 10 minutes of me so i'm busy all the time wow that's a good life great senior coach thank you so much much. Yeah, good being on. This is the herd best of.

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I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little Notepad Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert

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What's up, fam, it's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson,

we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Agency, the ability to know that we're the experts in our own body.

On the podcast, cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lulman, create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30. You shouldn't have to share one with anybody. Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real honest conversations.

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And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean,

for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not.

I say we invest and we see There's only one way to know This did not amuse the cops By the way, normally the cops are amused But this did not abuse the cops Will even comes clean About some of his own crimes I didn't get caught, you know why

If you don't want to be Suspective of anything you whistle as you walk Listen to Crime List on the Iheart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast Look at this guy Looks like he just got nine holes to Aren't you a list? I mean, it went to overtime.

Aren't you a little beat up this morning, Kirk, a little? Oh, I definitely am. I got home about 2.30 in the morning. It was a long night, but a fun night. And now we've got a long weekend to rest up. And I'll be posted up in my couch watching everybody else play football. Do quarterbacks get into zones? I think you certainly can get to a place where you feel like the game slows down and you've got good anticipation.

I think that for me, what troubled me to start the, year was I didn't feel like I had that anticipation or that sense of where things were going. And each week I've improved. And then I felt like last night our offense and my own play kind of took a big jump forward where I was anticipating better. I was playing fast. I was quick, but I wasn't in a hurry. And that's really where you want to be all the time. But it's just taking me a few weeks to get there. And now the challenges can we sustain over the next few months. You're on a very young offense. Drake London, Kyle Pitts, Bejohn, these are kids, you're like a coach. Is that hard? Is it refreshing? How does that land for you?

I enjoy it. I enjoy it. I think it gives me a chance to assert myself more as a leader. When I was in Washington, I was playing with players who were twice my age at those skill positions. You know, Vernon Davis, Pierre Garsohn, Jackson, these guys had double-digit years in the league. And I was, you know, in year four, just trying to figure it out and hoping they weren't going to get mad at me. So now as a 13-year vet, working with guys in year two and three, it gives me a great chance to be an encourager to kind of help them hopefully get to where they want to go and be a part of that. So I enjoy that opportunity. There's not seven, eight guys in the world right now playing quarterback that could have done that last minute 14, no timeouts.

That is really hard. Take me to the last minute 14. Is there ramped up anxiety? What are you looking for? Everybody was clearly on the same page. is that do you get more focused in those little micro moments? Well, I think you trust your training and you go back to your process. You know, coup being the kicker, you know that you have some grace as to how far you need to go to get that field goal.

And then, you know, we're pretty well coached on, you know, those situations of when the ball's got to be out of bounds or to the end zone and when, you know, we have to clock it. So that was executed well. And to your point, the referees have gotten a lot better at allowing people to clock the ball quickly. I think two or three years ago, that ref might have taken too long. We wouldn't have had a chance. So kudos to them for kind of getting that dialed in where he just touches the ball and enables us to operate quickly. You know, I was looking at this. Your coaches, this is crazy.

McVeigh-Shannahan, LaFleur, Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski, Kevin O'Connor. You have had smart dudes. you probably, and I think Rahim Morris for a defensive coach, he was McVeigh's buddy, he's probably better than average for a defensive coach. Do you take little bits and pieces out of all of them? And I mean, could you say, yeah, McVeigh showed me this, Kevin O'Connell, or if you've always been kind of the same guy, have you borrowed things? Do you take things when you have that many good coaches around you?

That's a great question. Many of them came from the same tree, and so they were often in the same room. And as a result, we sort of speak. the same high level language with all of them. That being said, it's been fascinating to see as they've gone their separate ways, they've each kind of put their own spin on things. And so I've gotten back with a Kevin O'Connell or a Zach Robinson after being with Sean McVeigh and being away from Sean for several years and then learning how Sean and their group evolved it from where we were when I was with Sean has been really cool to see. And then each person kind of puts their own creative

spin on it. And, you know, now in Atlanta, we're kind of trying to evolve into what the 2024 Falcons look like, which is, you know, different from the 23 Vikings, different from the 23 Rams that Zach Robinson was with. But keep trying to take those steps and innovate. And then also it's a copycat league. So you try to steal from the good ideas you see on tape. But I've been very fortunate to be around a lot of great coaches. I throw Gary Kubiak and Clint Kubiak and Rick Denison in that list. Big part of having success in the quarterback position is who are your coaches. for 13 years, I've been able to be around a lot of good ones. You have a lot more records than people realize.

Most game winning drives in the history of the league in a single season 8. And you know, I said this earlier. You and Peyton Manning are very detailed, precise guys. You're smart, you're detailed. Early in both of your careers, sometimes instead of the 1 o'clock game, you go to these prime time games, you're sitting around all day in a hotel. And early in your career and Peyton's, people said, well, Kirk and Primetime Games isn't the same quarterback.

Well, that's changed. And it changed for Peyton. You go back to your first, second, third year in the league, and now, what have you done? Because something's different. You're now one of the best in the league. So was Peyton at the end. But in the first couple years, there was a label. Kirk, Peyton, they're precise, they're detailed.

They don't like to be off their, you know, schedule. Was that true? What happened? What's transformed for you? You know, it's hard to say. I think when you go back and look at it, I had a couple clunkers in probably. prime time when I was a young player, but to be honest, if those games have been played at noon or 1 o'clock, it probably would have been a clunker anyways because of how young of a player I was. But the reality was,

I was playing on teams that were 500 teams. And in prime time, we often got scheduled to play defending Super Bowl champs and division champs and, you know, teams that were going to make deep runs in the playoffs. And so it was unlikely we were going to win going into the game. And then when we lost, it became, you know, Kirk's not great in prime time. But if you really look at the production, I was pretty much the same player from just a statistical standpoint in those primetime games. We just weren't winning. And as of late, we've been able to kind of turn the tie when it comes to finding a way at the end of the game to win. But if, you know, a call doesn't go our way last night or a break doesn't go our way, you know, yes, we lose.

But I don't walk away saying I didn't play well. I just walk away saying we didn't do enough to win. And I understand it's all about winning. But, you know, I wouldn't have changed my approach as to how I played or how I prepared. So, you know, as a quarterback, you're going to always kind of get too much praise, too much criticism. And I think some of that showed up with the prime time narrative. But I'm kind of on the other side of it now where now people view me as, oh, you're playing well in time time. And I'm thinking, well, I'm playing about the same.

We're just winning. And so it leads to a little more praise. Yeah, clutch Kirk Cousins. By the way, about 45 seconds left. First game off a surgery, people said, look at Kirk. He doesn't trust his body. Second game, everybody's like, Kirk's back. We got 40 seconds, but you've changed.

I mean, it did look like that first game you were kind of feeling your body out. How do you feel now? How do you feel? You know, it had less to do with the Achilles. It had more to do with the fact that I just hadn't played since week eight of last year. And I won a red jersey and practice all these months. And I didn't play in a preseason game and practice oftentimes we were going against the twos. And it was just a lot of simulated things that weren't the real deal.

And so to be back in the fire for the first time, I had some rust to get off. I think each week the last, you know, several have been an improvement. And I think last night we took a big step forward. But now the challenges is can we continue to maintain that standard as we move forward? But I did feel a different level of anticipation and playing fast last night that is back to kind of my old self that I felt was we were on our way there. But we hadn't really closed the gap. It felt until last night. By the way, Zach Robinson, maybe only throw 54 times next week, not 50.

58, 509 yards, four touchdowns. It's just, it was remarkable. And congratulations, you've earned it. You not only deserve it for your career, you've earned it. And I appreciate you doing this. Go take an afternoon nap on us. We appreciate you. I think I will, Colin.

Thank you. Yeah, appreciate it. You bet. Kirk Cousins. This is the Herd Besta. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Therapy is fantastic. But once again, it does not have a monopoly on healing. That's why I create the resources, and that's why I create the community because I really just want you to have more access. On the podcast, Cultivating HerSpace, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. It's tough because we're suppressing our emotions and so many of us are like high-achieving individuals.

Listen to Cultivating Her Space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This week on Crimless, Rory and I welcome a very special. guess. When I did podcasts, I wear my sleep mask. I like where this is going. So if you guys will indulge me. That's right. The incredibly talented and hilarious Will Ferrell on an episode dedicated to crimes committed by people named Will Ferrell.

You're good for 300 crimes? Yeah. We've got two. I'm ready to go right up to present day. Listen to Crimless on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human.