The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Lakers keep doing this

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

Colin looks forward to Luka Doncic's second game as a Laker and can't believe this franchise found a way to land another young superstar He outlines the issues the Chiefs have on offense as they look to return to Super Bowl contention and Travis Kelce considering retirementSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, welcome in. It is a Wednesday live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Greg Kosell is going to join us in one hour to wrap up the Super Bowl and talk about a couple of other things. Free agency is going to be a few weeks away. J. Mack, the Lakers play again tonight. Now in Salt Lake.

Luca LeBron heading to the Great Salt Lake. I was talking to a friend last night who went to the Luca debut at Crypto and this is a person that has lived in various parts of the country gone to a lot of big events and he said it was the greatest basketball moment he'd been at since Kobe's last game as a Lakers he said it's just hard to explain the buzz

everybody's standing he doesn't matter if you were an influencer if you were 45 years old. He said there was just butterflies and anticipation. And I was thinking about this with the Lakers. Are they the smartest or the luckiest team in the history of American sports? They have feasted on others' mistakes. Let's go back to Kobe Bryant, the closest thing we've ever seen to MJ. They got Kobe Bryant, the 13th pick in the draft, for Vlad de Vots,

who smoked after games, who wasn't at the time an All-Star, who, like many Europeans at the time, was finesse, more of a passer than a score. Kobe got five rings, two MVP's in the finals, another MVP, iconic. Jerry West worked him out at the Englewood YMCA. They put Michael Cooper on him. This is how good Kobe was out of high school. They put one of the great defenders of all time. Michael Cooper guarded him in an Englewood YMCA.

Jerry West called it the greatest 45-minute workout he'd ever seen. They got him for a guy that smoked after games. They got Powell Gasol from Memphis. What did they give up? A bunch of stuff including Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, and lower first round picks for Powell Gasol, who with Kobe would win two more titles

and one of Kobe's great teammates ever. They got Anthony Davis. You think, well, they had to be. give up quite a haul for Anthony Davis. Well, Lonzo Ball had already shown a prone injury career. He got hurt a lot already. They gave up again lower first round picks because AD and LeBron together were going to be a top team in the league. Josh Hart's a good B player. I like him. And Brandon Ingram scores a lot, but there's not much there beyond, he makes a lot of money and scores a lot, but he's not a guy that's going to carry you anywhere. And then they get

at Luca for a six-pack of Diet Coke and AD at 31. I mean, if the Lakers call about your superstar, hang the phone up. They stole Kobe. They pretty much stole Powell Gasol. I mean, they had to give up some picks at the end of the first round for AD, but Luca for one first round pick, one first round pick, and Anthony Davis, who I like a lot, but is now hurt and probably out for six to eight weeks.

It's really remarkable what they've done. You know, maybe this is just the way business works that the better teams and the bigger brands manipulate the bad GMs and the bad CEOs and the bad brands. But it's remarkable. You'll watch tonight. Utah's not a great team. But Lucas going to start here probably in about five or six games.

Once he gets back into shape here because he was off since Christmas, he'll start dropping 30. LeBron's playing the best he's played in in arguably a decade. Austin Reeves now is a not necessary, but a very good three to four. They kept Dalton Connect. I don't know. I mean, to me, they're a rim protector away from being a championship team. Rachel Nichols on the show yesterday talking about this deal again. There wasn't a feeling prior to this trade that the Lakers were headed to the Western Conference finals. And now you can make that case. I think there's a lane there. I still wouldn't call them the favorite in the West, but I definitely think it's going to be interesting.

And just that idea that if they wanted to, the Lakers could play either Luka or LeBron for 48 straight minutes, often both of them, is crazy. Yeah, it's more than that. Lakers, LeBron, Luca, again, game two together this time in Salt Lake. So, you know, Super Bowls always resonate. One thing we do know in the last decade, if you lose... lose a Super Bowl, no matter how good your quarterback is. There's only one exception, and that was the Patriots once, that you go back and you crush again. Everybody pulls back if they lose a Super Bowl. They get to the Super Bowl, they lose, they don't get back.

It's just the way it is. And Travis Kelsey was on his podcast with his brother, and he kind of disappeared. Last couple of games, he has been their number one target last three or longer, and he's just a very important person. He blocks, he's tough, the physicality, the temperament, but it may be time to quit. Retire. I know everybody wants to know whether or not I'm playing next year,

and right now I'm just kicking everything down the road. I'm kicking every can I can down the road, and I'm not making any crazy decisions. The fact that we keep going to these AFC championships and these Super Bowls, and that means I'm playing an extra three games more than everybody else in the entire league. and that's a lot of wear and tear on your body.

And it's a lot of time spent in the building. Yeah, we've said this about LeBron. LeBron's played over three full seasons of just playoff games. You start looking at Travis Kelsey in the last seven years. He's played another season of NFL football for playoff games. And we ask our tight ends to block, often the best athlete on the other side of the field. So let's be honest about Kansas City's offense. Remember when Tom Brady got to the end in New England?

and there was that piece of video, him screaming, it was a, maybe I've been a Thursday night game or a Sunday night game, he's screaming it is wide receivers. Somebody get open. But New England was unable, because they were paying other players, including Brady, and they didn't draft wide receivers well. So if you really are honest about Kansas City in the last three years, they've kind of been patchwork on offense. I mean, all five Super Bowl trips, they've had five different left tackles. They've never had a great left tackle. Patchwork.

the wide receivers in the last three Super Bowls, Richie James, McColl Hardman, Sky Moore, Cadarius, Tony, Marquis, Valdon, Scanling. They're kind of bounce around the NFL guys. That's all they are. They don't have a ton of stability at running back. I mean, we're doing Karim Hunt again. Isaiah Pacheco is a great story.

Is he a great player? Clyde Edwards O'Lear was a bust. There are warning signs here. Now, some of it is, Mahomes is super expensive. Travis Kelsey is super expensive. Chris Jones, super expensive. They have a very good GM and they draft well.

But if you remember in the end, Tom Brady in New England, Tom Brady was sort of holding that offense up with duct tape. And after I'm watching that game against Philadelphia and the game against Houston, it's only Buffalo, they always score 35 points or more. You start looking, and Buffalo's defense, the top corner was out. We don't consider it in elite defense. We don't. We consider the offense with Josh Allen and James Cook and Kincaid.

And that's the part of the bills that is elite. You just start looking at this team. When they played good defenses like Houston and Philadelphia, they got a bunch of B-dudes. It's the Brady Patriots at the end. You're just holding it together. It's patchwork guys everywhere. And again, I'll go to the Super Bowl runner-up since 2014.

Patriots won the Super Bowl. You've got four different teams missed the playoffs. You've got teams losing wild card and divisional round stuff. So I think it's pretty clear. And when you draft 31st in a very, very weak draft where draft people who I lean on say there are 12, maybe 13 max elite first round players. Kansas City's getting none of them. And they need one at left tackle. They need another one at tight end.

They need another one at running back. And by the way, they need another interior offensive linemen. They got to spend some time and capital on that offensive line. that got pushed around for four hours against Philadelphia. So my take on Travis Kelsey has been, this is the perfect time for a clean break. He's got tons of money, lots of options. And I think one of the mistakes basketball football teams do is they cling to the end.

You could say, well, what about LeBron? LeBron's still elite. LeBron's still a top seven player in the league. There are nights he's a top three player in the league. There's nights that he's the best player in the NBA still, depending on the schedule. So to me, this feels like it's time for a clean break. He's expensive. He's a tight end.

This is a good tight end draft. If they were going to move up and be aggressive outside of left tackle, it'd be for tight end. But, J-Mack, when you lose those Super Bowls and you'll lose the way they did, it is interesting. It does change your opinion on stuff. Now, you called it. You said it was going to be a D-line rolling over Kansas City. I did not. But it's funny two or three days later, you know, it sounds like, oh,

It's kind of a recency bias, but when you lose like that, it does change your opinion on a lot of things. You know, there's a clip of Travis Kelsey right around the 48-yard line near midfield, and he runs a little bit of the pass pattern and then just sits at the 48-yard line because he saw a flag. Like, does not engage in the rest of the play. Chiefs fans are kind of ticked off online. Patrick Mahomes is scrambling for his life, and Travis Kelsey's literally just standing there. And Colin, I know this isn't right to say, but do you think, the chiefs quit a little bit in the Super Bowl when they were down 24-0?

Oh, the body language wasn't good. They started making really dumb mistakes, lining up off sides. Yeah, I think, you know, this is something else that the pressure of being number one, I remember listening to a baseball general manager 15 years ago. And he said, what you don't realize, he was talking about. the Yankees. This was like 15 when I lived on the East Coast. He said what people don't realize about the Yankees because they're good every year and in the playoffs every year, you are taxing your bullpen. You're taxing your starters. It's an unnatural act to throw a ball 95

miles an hour. He goes, these pitchers go into spring and you've got to ramp it up again. He's like, we're playing 25 more games than everybody else and they're intense national TV, high leverage situations. Now, in football, you don't have an unnatural act, but you have to remember, when you're going to Super Bowls year after year after year, like the Patriots are doing, it beats up on your team. That's a tight end over the course of six years being tackled another hundred times. Okay, but hold on, Colin, remember, they didn't play their starters week 18. Then they had the buy. It was like three weeks for Travis Kelsey, and he had a good game against the Texans. But then, had to play the next week, did nothing against the bills, got the buy week before the

Super Bowl and did nothing in the Super Bowl. It looked like all the energy they had. You know, we always think Buffalo never beats Kansas City. They actually did two weeks earlier. Is that all the Chiefs energy went to beat Buffalo. That's fair. They played a great game. They emptied the tank, and they had nothing left.

So let me ask, Cooper Cup and the Rams are going to be parting ways. Cooper Cup, you know, injuries, wear and tear, not really delivering. Expensive. Do the Chiefs go that route with Travis Kelsey? If you're moving off Kelsey, you're saving money. Why would you bring in an older injury prone? No, no, I don't mean bringing in Cooper Cup. I just meant the way the Rams are moving off of him.

Do the chief say, hey, Travis, thank you for your service. Oh, yeah. But that's a wrap. Yeah, I think it is a wrap. And that's okay. I think it's a wrap. This is not the NBA where players control all those personnel decisions. I think it's a wrap.

By the way, it's folks, we've all got eyes. We're all watching it. We're watching what's happening. It's the reality. what Travis is, it's been a remarkable career, but tight ends don't last forever. They're not quarterbacks. They're not kickers.

This stuff ends quickly. I mean, Travis Kelsey last year acknowledged he'd had 10 surgeries. Yeah. So they could look a lot different next year with no Travis Kelsey. Holy cow. So I saw something yesterday that is, I don't understand. I got an Aaron Rogers story. I got a Kevin Durant story.

But, man, I saw a quote yesterday. Do we all understand what is happening to the biggest brand in America? And we'll talk about that next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

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and then half are reeling or rebuilding or rebuilding or reeling. modeling or rebooting. And I was just thinking about the biggest brands in sports. And let's just take a second to think about it. So, like, if you go to Major League Baseball, you know, the biggest brands, Yankees and Dodgers. So, I mean, the Yankees just bringing in Paul Goldschmidt, Cody Bellinger, Max Freed. They just got to a World Series for the first since 2009. They didn't get Soto, but they upgraded their pitching.

Dodgers, meanwhile, I just, I was looking at Jim Bowden article this morning. He thinks the Dodgers are the most improved. team in the league and they just won a World Series. They have added all throughout their pitching staff. So the two biggest brands, the Yankees and the Dodgers, are humming in Major League Baseball. Let's go to the NBA. Listen, the Luca trade is an unbelievable reboot for the Lakers and the Celtics are the best

team in basketball. Go ask the Knicks that have been run over, steamrolled by him twice this year. But I would also put the Knicks as the third biggest brand. Forbes says it's the most valuable. and this is the best Knicks team since 1997. And I like the team. I don't think they can beat Boston. I think they can beat everybody else in the league.

So Boston, Lakers, Knicks, very, very strong. Let's go to college football. Very popular sport. Ohio State just won a natty. Michigan won the year before. Notre Dame and Texas are exceptional. To me, those are the four biggest brands in college football. Bam is big in the South, not as big nationally.

It's Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Texas. They are all humming. pulled back last year, landed the number one quarterback in the country, they'll be good again. And this year, I think, are they hosting Ohio State this year? Instead of going on the road, I don't know, but they'll be very, very good. Let's go to college basketball. Last 15 years, UConn and Duke. Duke's got the number one player, Yukon back-to-back titles. I mean, even non-sports, if you look at stock prices, the three biggest brands to be in the nation, you can argue just the biggest brands in the country, Apple, Amazon, Coca-Cola,

year over year and those are about as big a brands as you have in America, Coke, Apple, and Amazon. I mean, the only thing that appears to be missing, let me think about this. Oh, the Dallas Cowboys are awful. They are the only big, huge, massive brand in America that is awful. And they just hired a coach and they dumped it on a Friday news dump. And Dak Prescott said this yesterday. and what do they say? The best way to correct a problem is to acknowledge you have a problem.

So Stephen Jones, about a month ago, said drought. Remember he put it in quotes? Drought? Drought? Like we're having a drought. It's been 29 years. Yeah, it's a drought. Jerry Jones said over the weekend, hey, we could have been here.

And Dak Prescott talking about the Eagles and the Super Bowl going forward. I mean, I feel like we compete with the Eagles and beat them for the most part. that we've played them. I don't want to say, check the record when the other guy's holding the trophy right now. So credit to them, they've earned and they deserved it by all means. But, yeah, very close. Okay. Not quite acknowledging the issue.

We think we can stack up with Philadelphia. You've got two guys who could play, CDLM and Micah. I'm not sure anybody else gets on the field, and I'm dead serious. Zach Martin maybe, but I'm not sure. The Cowboys have two starters, two that start. from Philadelphia. And Philly's players, many of the best ones, are like rookies. In second year, guys, they're getting better. So I was thinking about this. For the record, it also shows you how powerful the NFL is. They just got 127 million people to watch the game of record,

and Dallas is in the toilet. But I told the staff this morning, if you just went to the NFC, forget the Ravens, forget Harbaugh on the Chargers, forget the Chiefs, forget Buffalo, forget those teams. Houston. Let's just go to the NFC. If you told me next year the top 10 teams in the NFC, I don't have Dallas in it. I think Philadelphia easily the best roster, Detroit's second best roster, Aidan Hutchison coming back. Rams aren't missing on draft picks of Stafford's days. They, Green Bay and Washington with Jaden Daniels or a handful. The Niners will figure it out when Christian McCaffrey gets healthy. I don't think they're a top three or 14, but they'll get better. Minnesota and Seattle have too many good players

and I think I think Baker is better than DAC I'll put them nine and I do think Ben Johnson and Chicago's roster will make noise. I don't know if they're a playoff team Dallas is not in the same class as Philadelphia and from what I've seen with Jaden Daniels

they're not close to Washington so if Shadur Sanders landed with the Giants I'm not so sure Dallas isn't a fourth place team. So yesterday as sort of a joke I said the dynasty was dead in Kansas City. I had a little tombstone. Let's be honest.

We have a real tombstone. Go ahead. We can show the real tombstone. It's over. It's the last brand in American sports. I mean, huge brand that is in the toilet. And it's not close. Dak's second surgery. Dak is going to be the biggest salary cap hit in league history next year, unless Jerry, who from what we can tell is tap,

figures out a way to pay some of it early. J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. It's amazing. All the brands in this country, the big ones. Yeah.

It means all the big sports brands. It's been quite a fall for Dallas. And let's start with another franchise that had a fall, and that's the 49ers. They pulled back after going to the Super Bowl, missed the playoffs, finished 6 and 11. They can blame injuries. They don't have a completely in-fged. But heading into the offseason owner, Jed York is confident in the brain trust of their GM and head coach saying, there's no one I respect more and trust more than Lynch and Shanahan to get us back on track.

Obviously, those two have to navigate this Brock Purdy deal. And Colin, listen, there's a world where guys like Sam Darnold, Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford. There's a lot of guy, quarterbacks on the market. I don't know if they're definitely going to say, Brock, we're not paying you. We're going to roll the dice with Sam Darnold for two years. This is going to come down to Brock Purdy and his agent. If they are willing to accept a Daniel Jones contract,

then I think he's the quarterback. If they try to argue they deserve a DAC contract, you have to move on. This is not, by the way, Brock Purdy and his agent think they have leverage. No, they don't. Next year's a very good quarterback draft. out of college. Timeout, but you've got to be awful

to get one of the good quarterbacks. The 49ers aren't going to fall off the map, right? Will they if they... Well, do you have to be awful, or do you have to be average draft about 14th? Give away a couple of picks to get your guy. I don't like moving up. The Bryce Young deal soured me on trading after quarterbacks. A lot of these quarterbacks, Mahomes went 10.

Josh Allen didn't go number one. You start, look at where did Justin Herbert go? Where did Jalen Hertz go? The idea that all the best quarterbacks go in the top five is simply not True. Okay, fair. But I guess the pushback would be there is, looking at the landscape, only a handful of good quarterbacks in this league. You could argue right now that 12 teams need quarterbacks. Now, this is an interesting topic. So over the last, I think it's six to eight years, we've had three different college drafts that have produced at least four franchise quarterbacks. Now, remember, you and I grew up, where everybody always talked about that one draft that had Elway and Marino.

Well, 83? Is that it? We've had three of those. doubled in the last six, seven years. Quarterback play is much better in high school and college. So next year is another year projected for four to five first round quarterback. This is a weak year. Next year is back to four to five first round quarterbacks. Somebody's going to go one.

Somebody will probably go three. Somebody will go eight. Somebody will go 13. Remember, where did Michael just start looking around with these quarterbacks? Bo Nix. first year. What did he get drafted? 12 or 13? Lamar Jackson late first round.

Patrick Mahomes, 10. If you finish middle of the pack in the NFL next year, the following draft, you will get a first round quarterback. One of those, I just listened to the three names you shot out. It was Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and Bo Nix. So the coach is Sean Payton, Andy Reid, and John Harbour. That helps. That helps. Smart teams.

Well, San Francisco's got Kyle Shanahan. They do, but I thought you were out on him. No, I'm not out on him. I am out on this franchise if you're trying to convince me, Brock Purdy is a $60 million quarterback. You know, J. Mack, there's a lot of things I like. I bought a car six months ago. I liked it for the price.

Okay. If I had paid double what I paid for my average, nice car, not spectacular. I liked it for the price. Everything's got a price. About six quarterbacks, I'll pay top dollar. That's about it. Everybody else, I'm looking for value.

How do you think Brock Purdy feels about that? I'm not concerned. A seventh round pick gets 40. You don't care about your franchise quarterback? If you make 40 million a year from a small town in Arizona and you're the last guy picked, sometimes in life, don't try to get happier than happy. He's in a great spot. He inherited Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Kyle Shanahan, a world-class organization.

Oh, he didn't get paid his first contract. That's your problem? You make $40 million for four years. You'll never work again. Sorry, but he's... Even though he sees his peer... How would he feel if Sam Darnal got a bigger contract than him? Sam Darnold's a first round quarterback.

Who cares? That was like eight years ago. Bigger, stronger, more athletic. Doesn't struggle when it drizzles. Doesn't struggle when it matters except Week 18 in the playoffs? That's what Brock Purdy dominated last year. He was great in the playoffs. Except when it drizzles.

Okay, now he's got me fired up. Exactly when it drizzles. Little disrespectful for my guy, Brock Purdy. I'm going to still cape up for him. I think we're going to revisit this at some point. All right, next story, Colin, is the Green Bay Packers have made the playoffs in both seasons with Jordan Love starting under center. But they still don't have a true number one target.

Now, we heard Josh Jacobs last week say, hey, we could use the number one receiver. Now, Jordan Love was asked about adding a veteran like a Devante Adams, and here's what he had to say. You see it every week. I mean, the playmaking ability that he has. When I was with him, I don't think, I mean, he might have dropped three passes in the the years that I saw him. So he's just a phenomenal receiver, you know, create so much separation off the line.

And, you know, that's his game. When you add those good players, you know, it's only going to help our offense, I think. And it's got to be the right guys, you know, right fit for the group we have. And, you know, it's all about the mindset. You want guys that's going to come in and want to win and want to, you know, push the envelope

and do all the extra things. Yeah, I think that's overrated. What's going on in that locker? I don't. This is two people from the offense. By the way. Calling out the wide receivers. basically. Well, Christian Watson is a little fragile. Always hurt. But everybody else, maybe they're

young, a little immature. Well, Dobbs had the moment where he did not, like, not get in the ball and got suspended. Immature. Jaden Reed is awesome, but doesn't show up every game or maybe he could be skewed down by the defense. I don't have a problem going and buying, like T. Higgins could fit. I don't think you have to spend a fortune. And again, I like T. Higgins, depending on the price point. He's not a dominant player. He's a really good player. when Jamar Chase has doubled. When Jamar Chase is doubled and you get the second best corner and very few teams outside the jets have two great corners.

So T. Higgins always faces the second best corner. Now you go to Green Bay. Oh, we're putting the best corner on you. It's a whole different ballgame. Hmm. I like T. Higgins like I like my car. What's the price? Jamar Chase, I'll break the bank.

Justin Jefferson. Mike Evans. I'll spend whatever. It's different. Sounds like so. So that's two stories here. Somebody's trying to go a little fruga. Doesn't want to pay the players.

The coastal elite coward does not want to pay the quarterback of the receiver. Final story is the NBA. Colin, listen, man, look at this highlight right here. Joel Embedg, game on the line, passes up and open three, fumbles it in the... Look at this. What is he doing?

By the way, what is he doing in the perimeter? Well, that's his game. He's soft now. He doesn't want to... He said he needs another surgery. Colin, this is embarrassing. He got booed off the court after this. Should, should.

This is with seconds left. Philly ended up losing to lowly Toronto. The Raptors were like tanking basically. Now it seems like they're going to try to make the play in. The Sixers are a season worst, 13 games under 500. Well, you know what? When you pander to players and they have injuries, egos, this is what you get. Nobody to blame, but Philadelphia.

M.B.'s been an issue for years. I don't know how you watch the Olympics. And watch how he struggled to fit in with the world's greatest players. and came out of the Olympics thinking, I really like this guy. This is the future of the franchise. That was a cautionary tale. You remember when he went all in for the MVP award?

Remember that? He was like, I got to get the MVP. He got it. He has not been the same player since, man. He's constantly hurt. It's like he put all his energies into winning a freaking MVP award. He has still never been to a conference finals. It's not happening this year.

Has he ever won a second playoff round? Has he ever won in one season, a second playoff series? I don't think so. No. And by the way, if you look, Here's the thing about Philadelphia. It's all ego and nonsense. When I look at the Knicks, or I look at the Celtics, or I look at Cleveland, I just don't sense anything other than chemistry winning.

Those teams are well-built. Cavs, Knicks, Celtics. I don't see any disruptions. I don't see any variance outside of go to work, play hard, D-Up, every night. All three of those teams will D-U-Up. So let me ask you, better career. Anthony Davis or Joe L.M. Anthony Davis, easily.

Just making sure. There's a lot of Embeddieed fanboys out there. And Colin, here's the thing. Ain't nobody trading for this guy. Okay, he's going to have a surgery in the offseason. I don't know what the market value of Paul George is. I feel a little bad for your boy, Tyrese Maxie, who, they got locked up last night by the Raptors. I mean, he's having a good season.

Did you watch the Knicks last night? They got a nice win. Yeah, yeah. Over the Pacers. Look at you checking out NBA. Did you watch any college shoes? I got a flat tire, so I sat in a car dealership for an hour watching the Knicks win. Oh, wow.

Flat tire. Hey. I could have done it myself on the next. the 405. What was the last time you changed the tire? Not going to get into that. Yeah, that's what I thought. When's the last time I considered doing it? You know what AAA? Even that's 20 years.

Dude, you got to call AAA. They'll come and fix your flat tire and heartbeat. I just pulled into a dealership and I watched them. I wasn't happy about it until they were a great dealership. Totally took care. They were really nice people. Well, they probably saw like, oh, there's a famous guy with a flat tire. You signed any autographs in there? They saw a schmuck who was a

sad dog walking into the dealership. But I sat and the good news is I mean, I had a, I had a cappuccino, and I sat and watched in 45 minutes of the Nixon Pacers. It was great. Cigar last night to celebrate the flat tire, no. I didn't have anything to celebrate it. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Her Lie News. It was actually funny. I called a dealership. I said, so for two days, I've been stopping off at every gas station, putting air in my tire, and it just doesn't hold. And so I finally called him and I said, I'm driving up on Thursday. I got a long drive Thursday and crappy weather. Can I get a new tire?

And the lady says, you can get here in 30 minutes before we close. I got in my car, and I'm not joking. L.A. rush hour. I think I hit a dozen straight green lights. It's a dozen straight. That feels good, doesn't it? I got in there, and there was about five minutes to go before they closed the doors. And it was like, you know what?

There's an angel over me tonight. I could be changing this puppy on the 405. I got lucky. Watched the Knicks. Had a cafe. Clutch. It was clutch. Yeah, it was clutch.

Boy, what a cautionary tale for an NFL team that next, live in LA of The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Covino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Covino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern 2 to 4 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and of course the IHeart Radio app. Why should you listen to Covino and Rich?

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What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. starting a trend.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little. Notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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even before camp starts. And you can't be on anybody's show and making weekly appearances, which I don't think that big of a deal, but, you know, Aaron Glenn does not want the distraction. And I think my wife, when we were, you know, our kids were younger, we're raising kids. She always had a great saying is that as a parent, be a great example or a horrible warning, they both work.

There's a lot of teams that now will look at the Philadelphia Eagles and say, wow, that's how you build a team. But part of building a pro football team is not making a disastrous decision out of desperation. And acquiring a quarterback out of desperation, which is what the Jets did, never ends well. You could say, what about New England? Tom Brady went to Tampa. Tampa was not desperate. They were a 500 team.

They had a very good roster. They have a great GM. They had continuity. But James was mistake prone. So they upgraded at quarterback. They weren't desperate. They were a 500 team. What about the Rams with Stafford?

They weren't desperate. Goff got to a Super Bowl was 42 and 20. They wanted to upgrade. Three teams in the last couple of years were desperate at quarterback and went and got a big name. Denver with Russell Wilson. Cleveland with Deshawn Watson and the Jets with Aaron Rogers and all three were an abject disaster

and here's one of the things I was thinking about this this morning and the hidden danger to being desperate is not just the draft capital you give up but that the star quarterback knows you're desperate

what did Russell Wilson do in Denver hey let me get my own office. Cringy? No. He never did that in Seattle. What did Deshawn Watson do in Cleveland, knowing he had the Browns over a barrel? He was once cleared to play in a game, and he's like, yeah, I know, but I just don't feel like it. And then there was Aaron Rogers. I want you guys to sign Lazard, I want Nat Hackett, I want my buddies on the team, and I'm going to go to Egypt during camp. You know, I went to some of the practices, but I'm going to go to Egypt. Russell, Deshaun, and Aaron in a position in American sports quarterback, which is sort of the glamour position.

And I'm not blaming Russell, Deshaun, or Aaron for having an ego. You've got to have one to be a pro athlete, especially a quarterback. But when teams are desperate, the quarterbacks know they are desperate. And they lean into it. And poorly run businesses get into these spaces. And what's interesting about the Jets now, they won't be as good at quarterback next year. Because Aaron played pretty well down the stretch,

but they won't be desperate. They won't be good at quarterback. They won't be desperate. Why? Because the new GM and coach have a pass for a year to build a culture. I mean, Dan Campbell's lions were awful his first year. Secondly, next year's college quarterback draft, you're going to have four first round guys.

And the third thing is, If the Jets can land, let's say, a tight end and a defensive tackle in this draft, Mason Graham first pick, maybe move up and get a good tight end. They actually have a playoff roster. It's actually a really good roster. I like the Jets roster. Didn't like the coach necessarily. Didn't like the ownership group.

But go look at Denver, go look at Cleveland, go look at the Jets. In all three, it's not just giving up draft capital. That's not just it. graph picks are a 60, 40, 50, 50, proposition to begin with. What it's doing is that quarterback knows you've got the team over a barrel and they lean into it. So

I'm going to throw this out. So J-Mack used to, I'm not sure if he still does, had a relationship with Kevin Durant. So I love Kevin Durant, the player. In my lifetime, I believe Kevin Durant is the greatest

catch-and-shoot player in the history of the basketball worlds. In fact, I've said before, if you did an all-time one-on-one tournament, take-out centers, if you did a one-on-one tournament, the only guy that I think beats Michael Jordan is Kevin Durant. I don't think Michael can stop him. I just think Kevin Durant is, he is a bucket. You can give him a ball late in the possession. He doesn't need to set it up.

He's an all-time talent. But last night, he became the eighth player to score 30,000 points. And I think it's interesting. It's a milestone on an irrelevant team and a loss. And that sort of sums up his career. But what's amazing is that everybody loves to bang on coaches in the NBA and general managers. That guy for Dallas is getting crushed. But I said it at the time, and I was shocked at the lack of agreement within NBA media.

Kevin Durant tanked his own career. He really did. He was at the time when he was in Golden State. Kevin Durant was a, there were half the people covering the league. Said he was better than LeBron. He was beaten LeBron. He was a better offensive player. He made Steph look small.

He was MVP of finals. The league thought it was twice. The league thought it was unfair. I mean, Adam Silver was uncomfortable. with how dominant they were. And then he decided, I want to go play with Kyrie and Brooklyn. The hell?

And I've always felt the difference between LeBron and KD is not their games. They're both all-time great players. The difference between LeBron and KD is LeBron is more like a Gordon Ramsey or a JZ. I'm not a businessman. I'm a business man.

and Kevin Durant is more the artist who halfway through the tour cancels the tour, sues ticket master, and gets into a fist fight with his drummer, is like all basketball players, because it's the most creative of our sports. They're all artists.

Kobe was an artist, Michael's an artist, all great basketball scores. Carmelo's an artist. They, I mean, they've all got a different looking shot. There is nobody that copied the Skyhook. Outside of Jordan,

nobody played quite like him except Kobe. There is no duplicate for Larry Burger Magic. I've never seen anybody that plays like him. It's the most artistry. The difference is, and neither are starving artists, but one, and you see this a lot, Bono with you two, Gordon Ramsey, Jay-Z. That artist can compartmentalize business in the art.

And Katie doesn't. Like, it's just all art. And in the end, he literally, could be a top three to four player ever. And he left. And what the funny thing is, Steph's about the easiest guy in the world to play with. And Clay Thompson may be the second easiest guy star to play with. And so when he sets that record last night, he's the eighth player to score 30,000.

There's a warm spot in my heart because I think he is one of the great artists of my lifetime to play basketball. I love watching him play. I think he would win a one-on-one all-time basketball tournament. He's one of the few guys I would pay to watch as a professional athlete. I think he's a really nice guy, but I often look at that, and I said it at the time, if Patrick Mahomes in the middle of the dynasty would have said, you know, I want to go play with my friend, McCole Hartman, with the Jets. You'd be in like, excuse me, you're not leaving Andy Reid.

You're not leaving Travis Kelsey. But in basketball, because there's so much artistry that we kind of say like, hey, man, it's just ball. You've got to let the artists perform. Football we don't. They're all gladiators, right? They're all tackling each other, shorter careers. They beat on each other.

They're wobbling. They're all hurt by like week four. So last night, he set the record. And immediately, they were talking about his future in Phoenix. If you had your choice in the matter, and it's not into your control, would you rather just play the rest of your career in Phoenix? Oh, man, I'm going to focus on Houston tomorrow, man. We ain't going to go there right now.

Again, to the end, incredibly likable. It's just interesting. You go back when he was with the Warriors, you were probably one of those saying, is he better than LeBron? That was a real discussion in America. LeBron has always been very good at manipulating the business side. Again, a lot of these star chefs, there's a sad ending.

A lot of star musicians, sad ending. And then you get Mc Jagger, or Bono, or Gordon Ramsey. and it's like, yeah, they get the business side of it. JZ gets the business side of it. And that, to me, that's the difference. LeBron is great at that. And KD is just more artist. It's about the ball.

It's about performing. Depends on the mood. I know you love him. Are you still in a relationship where you can discuss? I have not DM'd with him lately, but there was a time. When he was a two-time finals MVP, he was the best player in the league. No disrespect to LeBron.

He was. He beat him head to head in the finals twice. I was arguing at people who were saying that. And I'm like, but it was a real. argument for about a six-year stretch. No, KD is better than LeBron. And offensively, I do think he's more gifted. I don't think, I'd take, I would argue that all day long. Hour two next. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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