The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Lakers last night

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Thoughts on the Lakers getting blown out by the Heat last night and what this might mean for LeBron James Colin shares some interesting context about Caleb Williams in his rookie year and why he's much better than people realizeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll talk about tonight's game, Packers, Lions. We'll get to that in a second. Jemak, we witnessed something last night in Los Angeles. It was actually in Miami. For many people, the curtain is closing. The end is nigh. Here we go. All right.

Come on. So I want to start today. The Lakers got shelled last night. Lost by 41 points. First it was Frank Vogel. Get him out of here. He's no good. Then it was Darwin Ham.

He's a bum. And now J.J. Reddick through his first 22 games. What do you know? It's the same team as Darvin Ham's first 22 games last season. In fact, offensive guy J.J. Reddick is averaging a point less. Why? Because there's two truths about this Laker franchise. the roster's not good and LeBron's getting older

and they have no chance to win a championship. None. Here's how far the standard has been lowered. And this is always how businesses die. The standard. I was talking to Jimmy Johnson about this. A couple weeks ago, I asked him, like coaching college or pro better.

He said college is more fun. In pro football, you have to constantly be on your assistant coaches because they have players, unlike college, where players siphoned through every three or four years. And the pros, you can have a linebacker for eight years, a tight end for nine years, a quarterback for 12 years. You have to stay on your assistant and coordinators. Don't be best friends, be bosses.

And that's the truth. The standard is so low for the Lakers. They just keep letting it go lower. Their point of pride now is that in 13 of the last 14, games against Denver, they've lost, but they've kept it close. That's a real thing in L.A. Hey man, we lose to Denver and Yokic by this much. That's the standard. It's crazy. And how? This is why the Lakers and the Cowboys, they've lowered the standard. 12 wins. Dax's a B-plus guy. That's the standard now in Dallas. So the Lakers and the Cowboys, too many family members have a role in the organization.

the star of the team LeBron and Dack is paid more than right now. He delivers. Sorry, it's true. You have very average rosters that are top-heavy on top. All brand no brawn. That's the Cowboys and the Lakers. And it all comes down to a lowering of standards. It's why Jimmy Johnson had to bark constantly.

I mean, Austin Reeves, stop. He should be a fifth starter. Well, Dalton Connect. after that one big night, he's averaged 11 a game over the last two weeks. That's what he is. He shoots some threes. It's a nice player. It's fun.

But he's probably a four to a five on a really good basketball team. Derek White is better than both, and he's a five or a four for the Celtics. They are winning titles going forward last year and moving forward. So it's just the lowering of standards. The Lakers are full of average athletes. They can't defend the three. That's what they are. Just got a bunch of average athletes.

Last night was a complete embarrassment. But this year for the Cowboys has been a complete embarrassment. Too many family members have important roles in a franchise. The standards have been lowered like any regressing business. You just settle. You know, ain't on my belt. I'll just cut out another loop in my belt. You know, I mean, I know I'm now a 42 weight, it's not a 38.

You know, these pants still, you know, I can just unbutton the top button. They mostly fit. So last night, it was bad. And JJ Reddick, the offensive guy whose team is now averaging less through 22 games than Darvin Ham. The defensive guys team did. Here's JJ after. I'm embarrassed. We're all embarrassed.

It's not a game that I thought we had. the right fight, the right professionalism, you know, not sure what was lost in translation. There has to be some ownership on the court, and I'll take all the ownership in the world. This is my team, and I lead it, and I'm embarrassed. Yeah, but what are you going to do? Average roster, aging LeBron. That's what it is. So I want to talk about Caleb Williams.

And I think Caleb's having a really good season, but because the team is four and eight, people are freaking out. And we do this. We get paralyzed on records. It's all about the records, but if you contextualize anything, and I'll do that later with Lincoln Riley, but contextualize four wins. Take out the record for a second. If I said to you going into this season for the Chicago Bears, through 12 games with an incompetent franchise, a coach so bad that for the first time ever the Bears fired their head coach during the season. If I said, you know what, through 12 games, Caleb Williams has as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hertz.

He's passing for more yards per game than Justin Herbert and Kyler Murray and has a higher completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence. You'd be kind of impressed, right, in the toughest division in football. if I said he has more passerating games over 100 than Patrick Mahomes at this point. And oh, by the way, just set a rookie all-time record for the most passes thrown without an interception. It's 212 and counting. How would you look at him then? Oh, by the way, he's on his second play caller. His coach just got fired.

The offensive line has gone downhill from a year ago. He set a rookie record. more 100 plus pass-a-rating games than Mahalms, more yards a game than Herbert or Kyler Murray, as many passing touchdowns as Jalen Hertz. With this mess of a franchise hovering around him. Oh, by the way, the last three losses, Vikings, Lions, Packers, all going to be playoff teams by a total of seven points.

He didn't give up the Hail Mary. And by the way, he's getting better. His last nine games, 12 touchdowns, one pitchers. So again, I used to say this all the time. When Anne and I, you know, the kids are young. They're like five and seven and eight and nine. Kids are kids, right? And if we had like, you know, a bad day, the kids, something went wrong.

I always said, would we have signed up for this? If you would have told me our biggest problem in 2017 is one of our kids got caught doing blank. Would you have said that that's our biggest problem? Y'all sign up now. Nobody thought this thing was going to be smooth. If you get out of the record, you know the best division in football. They're losing close to Detroit, close to Green Bay, close to Minnesota. And here's another thing I like. I always say this. When somebody leaves, don't just judge Jim Harbaugh's record what he did at Michigan. What happened to the Niners when he left? They collapsed. the last couple days, Lincoln Riley's Trojan 6 and 6, there's a rumor that other schools

are contacting him. USC that a nose dive this year without Caleb. It's not just where you go. It's what happened to the place you left. And through all of it, Caleb Williams, he's got a Dak Prescott quality, a Justin Herbert quality. Even through dysfunction, he'll go to the microphone and he always says the right thing. This is after Shane Waldron.

He has a new play caller Thomas Brown after Shane Waldron was fired. Ample opportunities to bury people. And once again, he walks up to the podium and says the right thing. They're not going to reinvent the will in a sense, you know. We're mid-season. And, you know, it's not a decision for me. I have to do what coach says. I have to do it with whatever decision he makes, and I have to be fine with it.

Will I be able to adapt? Yes, I will. We will be able to adapt whatever coach makes he makes. And then from there, we have to go out there and execute and win games. Yeah. Thomas Brown's now the interim head coach. He won't be the head coach. But again, whenever you go through a bad day, it could be with your kids, it could be at work.

Just ask yourself, would you have signed, if that's your worst day, would you have signed up for it? I said before the season started, I said, I think they're going to win seven games and finish in fourth place. It's going to be turbulent. I don't think Iber Fluse is the guy long term. And the division is the best in football. But I think if you're truthful and honest, at the end of the year, you'll look up and go, we've got our quarterback. More 100 plus passerating games than Mahomes?

More passing yards a game than Herbert, Kyler Murray? better completion percentage than Trevor Lawrence. As many passing touchdowns as Jalen hurts with those weapons in that offensive line? Yeah, I'd sign up for that. He's a block kicked here and a hail married there and bad coaching there from being eight and four. Not four and eight. Don't be paralyzed by the record. J-Mack, Greg Cosell in 50 minutes.

A lot of positivity today. You know, that's the new me. I was thinking about something. We had Joel Clad on the show yesterday. And as we've talked about, you know a game, you know it's an upset when it's Thursday, and we're still talking about a Saturday college football game. But I want to try to center this whole Ryan Day thing.

Oh, okay. Because there's a lot of talk. Good luck with that. Well, if they lose in the first playoff game, there are a lot of people in Columbus that think it's time for a new coach. And so I just, want to offer something to think about next. Greg Cosell in 50 minutes.

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I don't think he's going to get fired, but it's going to get ugly. So let's just start with this premise. There's 5% of any industry is elite. after that it's very good, good, capable, below average, awful. But about 5% is great. So now that Mack Brown is leaving North Carolina, there's only two coaches that have Natty's in college football, Kirby Smart and Davo Sweeney. Now, we've also lost Chris Peterson, Harbaugh, Urban Meyer, Sabin.

Those to me are elite, elite coaches. They're all gone. So Kirby Smart and Davo, only coaches with Natty's. That's the first group. know they're great coaches. Then there's the second group that I believe can win over the course

of time a national championship. Kalyn DeBore, Josh Heppel, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiffin, Dan Latting, Steve Sarkeesian. Don't live in the moment. Brian Kelly's a great coach. He won 10 straight, 10 plus games, seven years in a row until this past year. Like, get over it. Every coach,

all coaches have bad seasons. So if you take out Dabo and Kirby. You go to the second group people I think can win. Then there's the third group that maybe they can, but I'm not sure. In experience, maybe, let's go to the third group. And this is the group I think Ryan Day is in now. Mario Cristobal, better recruiter than coach.

James Franklin doesn't beat good teams. Ryan Day, likewise. Marcus Freeman, really young. Lincoln Riley feels like some pop. His team's lack a toughness and a grit. So I had Ryan Day and Lincoln Riley in group two until this year. I've got new information. I'm not living in the moment.

But Lincoln Riley, since Caleb left, the recruiting's not as good. The staff needs work. So I had Ryan Day in the second category. And then I watched Michigan, Ohio State. And that's, as I said, as bad a loss as I've ever seen. Now, Joel Clack came on the show yesterday and defended Ryan Day, although Buckeye fans may not agree, here was Joel's take.

Ryan is a very good coach. I think that there's a mental block with Michigan right now. And this feels like something that when he gets over the hump, it's going to be big. I mean, Harbaugh didn't win over Urban Meyer, and they stuck with him. You look at the history of college football, and what you'll see is that most often, even the greatest coaches in the history of our sport, have taken a while to win their championship. It took Osborne quite a while. It took Bowden quite a while. You know, it's very rare that you get these guys that win it right away like Bob Stoops or Larry Coker. It's generally the opposite.

Guys take a while. Urban Meyer took a while. Sabin, it took a while. So here's where I would disagree. Brian Kelly had an off season, but he's won everywhere. He's proven every place he goes, he wins. Ryan Day never had a previous job. And so all I know is the information I have, which is he loses big games, and he's lost four straight to Michigan, and he looks like he gets out-coached. I mean, they scored 10 points against Michigan.

Arkansas State scored 18 points against Michigan. Michigan State, Arkansas State, whatever state, scored more than 10 points against Michigan. So it's one of those things where is Ohio State satisfied? They're not in group one now, Natty. I don't know if you can put Ryan Day in group two. Lane, Sark, guys, I think Kalindabor are good enough. Kalin DeBore got Washington to a national championship last year

with maybe the 10th best roster in college football, 8th, 10th, 12, something like that. So I think that's where you are if he beats a Tennessee. So for Ryan Day, the playoff is in arguably huge. Because let's say he goes and beats a Josh Heppel, who I think is a great young coach. I think Josh Heppel is good enough to win a Natty. He's the Tennessee coach. If he can beat Josh Hepple and they both have great players and then he can beat, let's say, an Alabama or whoever he plays after that, Kailen DeBore, then I think I'm good just going back and putting Ryan Day in the sense.

second category and agreeing with Joel Klat. It's just Michigan's in his head thing. And that's happened before for coaches. But if they get one and done and Josh Hyple and Kaelin DeBoer and coaches I know can win a tie, I really feel strongly, then the Buckeyes have to live with a category three coach. J-Mack with a news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Colin, we must start with the Kansas City Chiefs. Unbelievable NFL record, 14 straight one-score games they've been victorious in. This dates back to last season.

They had a lucky victory in week 13. I know you love when I say lucky. But Patrick Mahomes believes that the close games are actually a good thing for KC heading into the final stretch of the season. Keeps you motivated, which I think can be a good thing in the end. I think sometimes I look back on the year we lost in the Super Bowl. and we were very dominant throughout the regular season, and it's kind of like you get in this point where you start coasting

because you're winning games, you're just kind of doing the normal thing, whereas if you look at us last year, even though it didn't go the way we wanted to, but it's keeping us hungry so that we can try to continue to get better as the season goes on. I know you've been a doubter on that team, and one of us is not. They will be in the AFC championship guaranteed.

Guaranteed? Yes, I don't know who they'll play. My guess is Buffalo, but they'll be in their guaranteed. Just write it down. I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. You trust Baltimore's defense, inexperience of Houston. I don't trust Kansas City's offense. I'm going to tell you something.

One of the teams that matches up with them is the Chargers and they have no playmakers. Chargers are going to lose this weekend, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Chiefs. I'm on the Chiefs for my two favorite plays.

Oh, big favorites. Listen, I think the Chargers are built just not right now. Without Dobbins, this Ladd-McConkey thing, they're waiting to see if he plays or not. But I was reading an article, Colin about how, defenses had been playing zone against the Chargers. And they've now adjusted to Man because nobody can get open. There's like the tight ends, the wide receivers, they can't get open, and the Chargers' offenses sagged a little the last couple weeks.

We'll see. I'm rooting Chargers. People aren't considering this either, the Kansas City. Okay. So pro athletes are young. And young people get over their skis and into themselves. And even though Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones, are the grownups, that team's got a lot of young players because they're having to move off

people constantly because they pay Mahomes, Chris Jones, and Kelsey so much. So the roster's actually young in a lot of spots because it has to be because you have to get third, fourth, fifth, six rounders when you pay three guys that much, right? And Joe Tooney makes a tonne. And so when you're a back-to-back champion, is it possible that young men feeling themselves have to be reminded how long the season is? Oh, of course. I think sometimes we don't. We know in basketball, Kobe and Shaq broke up simply over ego. But I think it exists in the NFL as well. And that's why Super Bowl losers, they call it the Super Bowl loser hangover.

Why? I think it's guys that forget how hard it is to get there. You lose the Super Bowl and you're like, hey, hey, we're a very good team. And those teams often fall off the cliff. The Super Bowl winning team often has a different, ascension than a Super Bowl losing team. And especially if it's an NFC team from a weaker conference, right? It's like San Francisco.

Super Bowl crash. Super Bowl crash. So I guess my take is we don't consider this. They're going for something that's never happened. A three-peat. Athletes are richer than ever. I think there's mental fatigue. I think there is ego.

I think it's the reason teams don't win three in a row is not just because it's hard. It's because there's pro athletes are more distracted. so I just think Kansas City is a team that's battling things that aren't discussed. Egos, entitlement, money, distractions, as a two-time champ going for an NFL record third straight. We'll see if they can fix a left tackle issue. The defense has just been hemorrhaging yards and points the last couple weeks. Let me ask one of the final team you didn't mention in the AFC.

And I've been slow on this team. But how do the Pittsburgh Steelers match up with the Kansas City Chiefs? Don't have the ceiling, but pretty well. they can keep the score low. It'll be a low scoring game. I like T.J. Watch's chances coming off the edge. Yeah. No, I think they match up pretty well with them.

I think if you have, like the Chargers have good edge rushers. The Steelers have good edge rushing. That can give Kansas City some trouble. And offensively, Arthur Smith, I got to get. The difference is the Steelers can beat you over the top. The Chargers can't. That's why the Steelers are a better matchup on Kansas City. I call my shot.

You said the Chiefs are being in the AFC championship game. I say if the Steelers play the Chiefs, the Steelers win. Okay. I don't think it's craziest thing I've ever heard. I don't think it's the craziest thing. I don't think it's not the craziest thing. I think Andy Reid would dial up something to figure out a way to win it. Tomlin would be an underdog there?

Tomlin underdog? No, that's a good point. That's a good point. I might have to bring out a terrible towel if they win that game. Somebody send me one and I will wave it after the Chiefs go down. Next story is Dak Prescott yesterday supported McCarthy while driving in his car. Now McCarthy has chimed in. and said that, listen, hey, Dak, he kind of sort of was on to something, but here's McCarthy yesterday.

I think it's just like anything. You know, we're in year five of our program. I think we have a lot of excellent things in place. I think we have some things that we can do better. And, you know, I think that's all part of growing. And it's no different than the way I felt in year five and six in my last opportunity. I think it's like any job in this one specifically. I mean, I had clear understanding of the responsibilities.

This is the most input I've ever been a part of as a head coach in personnel. So, you know, particularly in the draft. Oh, no. Why would he say that? Yeah. What are you doing? Everybody out here's blaming while Jerry Jones gave him a crap roster. Can't do anything with this roster.

And now he says he had a lot of input on the roster? What is McCarthy doing? I don't love that. It feels like a big misstep. Well, that would be. Are we overreacting or no? It wasn't a great draft. It was a draft that was rebuilding offensive lines,

so it's a lot of players that people didn't pay attention to in college. It wasn't a very glamorous draft. I mean, the Bears get a star quarterback and a star receiver. It was a bunch of offensive tackles. I'm looking at the stats. From everybody they've drafted, they have four catches for 44 yards, and it looks like nothing significant defensively. How about that?

They haven't done anything. This is the most input you've had. Now, he did get overshone last year. That kid looks good. Yeah. Where's number 13? He's everywhere. Last year's draft, though, Mazzie Smith, like first round pick?

Not good. Shoon maker is like a backup tight end? By the way, Mike McCarthy just announced that Zach Martin is out for the season, offensive guard. Their best lineman. He's probably done in Dallas, right? Tyron Smith type situation, getting old, move on. Somebody's going to get him. Jets got Tyron Smith.

Had that workout, by the way. Not great. This feels like a bad misstep by McCarthy. He's taking the blame off Jerry Jones. I don't love that. Final story, too, the Jets. I guess we're going to talk about it. This is very encouraging.

Oh, really? This is a big story. All right, I guess cowards into this one. Let's hear some energy. Reports indicate Mike Vrabel has told people, is according to a reporter in New York, that Vrable is open to the Jets vacancy. However, he will.

would only fill the position if he approves of the GM hire. The report adds that Vrable doesn't care about Belichick's opinion of Woody Johnson. Remember, he kind of said, well, that's the owner. They stink. And that he would interview and decide on his own. Now, the GM part's interesting. Do you remember in Tennessee, the GM mysteriously traded A.J. Brown. And the team just went into a nosedive, and that was it for Vrable.

So he wants to approve essentially who's going to be controlling the roster. And I think that kind of makes sense. but I'm going to go ahead and guess that this is just a leverage play for Rable, right? He's maybe interested in the Bears or Ohio State, and he's going to use the Jets. They get used every year. Hey, the Jets want me. You got to pony up, you know? I would give Mike Vrable chances landing with the Jets like 3%.

Okay. You think it's higher than that? Yes. Because I think Belichick's not going to take it. You can't give another coordinator the job. Woody Johnson's into stars and big names. And so I think my guess is they'll go Brable. I mean, listen.

I'm blown away right now. You think Grable's taking this job with Aaron Rogers and his uncertain future? If he doesn't get the Chicago job, it's one of the only jobs that has a good roster. They got good players. What if Mike Brabel just wants to live in New Orleans? He thinks that's a great city and his wife's into it? I have a much, much better roster in New York. And I may be able to get more control because of Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland,

you may not have much control and personnel. They've already got their staff all there. He may not like, he may not connect with those guys. In New York, it's a fresh start. You get big say and you get more leverage. New Orleans has their owner, their operations guy, their scouts, that stuff's all set. You're an interloper. You're the new guy in New York.

You may be front and center of the new group. Do you think this is Vrable trying to convince Woody? Listen, man, you guys are desperate. I'm a good proven coach. You want me? I need to approve the GM hire. No. You got to make some concessions.

Rex Ryan on ESPN saying I'm interested. Mike Vrable. Bill Belichick's essentially auditioning for a job every time he's on the Manning cast, which is, by the way, I get it. I totally get it. When you watch these coaches, you can tell the ones that want to get back into coaching. They go on shows and tell you, you know, I'd consider anything. Well, that's not a bad job.

I actually like that team's roster. They're auditioning for jobs. And that's fine. I'm not judging. But, I mean, I watch, I'm watching Belichick and Rex Ryan and various coaches say things. They're looking to get back in. So there's an elected official in our country who watches a lot of television. And then when it's time to pick his cabinet, he's picking guys from TV.

Woody Johnson's friends with this guy. It's almost like Woody Johnson. Hey, I see Tanabamam on TV. Let me bring him in. Rex Ryan's on TV. Ooh, interesting. Mike Vrable. And I wonder if he's just going to be swayed by what he sees on television, people saying, hey, Jets' jobs a great one.

Hey, can I have GM say? And Woody Johnson is going to operate that way? Is that any worse than hiring a firm to hire your coach? A search firm? No, those can have value. Have you ever hired a headhunter? No. No.

Well, I think if you're in biotech, you know, and you're looking globally for a biotech, you'd hire a biotech headhunter, that's different. Football coaches, there's 32 jobs. We know who's good and who's not. You've got an agent. I have an agent. The agent does all the legwork, right? Yeah, but it's just different. It's, yeah, I don't, that's not analogous to me.

That feels different. I just think, you hire however you can hire. If you find the right guy, who cares? I mean, did, did it help Sean Payton that he was on Fox every week? Talking about football sounded very smart. Is it possible? because I know the Washington commanders were very interested in Sean Payton. And is it very possible?

Their ownership group was watching him and seeing clips of him and thinking, geez, this guy is really sharp. I absolutely think that matters. Of course. I think a lot of people. I think JJ Redick got the Lakers job. Part of the reason he got the Lakers job is that you watched him on TV and you thought, boy, he's, you know, he's sharp, he makes good points, he's confrontational,

he's friends with LeBron on a podcast. I think that was a big part. of them hiring him. I really do. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I'm not saying you should go to TV people for jobs. But I think that, that,

I mean, if you were looking for somebody and, I mean, my little podcast company, it's amazing where I find people, how I hear people. Sometimes it's a friend of a friend. Sometimes I hear a clip.

Anybody can look good in sound bites or sound like they know what the hell they're talking about. I don't know. There's some guys out there who are proven entities who have delivered numbers. He wins. Brable's kind of done that. I don't need to hear what I get to say. He's an excellent coach.

He's excellent. He got a number one seat of the AFC with Ryan Tannihill. Yeah, and I got smoked. Well, by Joe Burrow and a team that ended up in the Super Bowl. I mean, all right. It's not happening. They're not getting Braybable. They're going to have to go down on like third, fourth, fifth option.

Nobody wants to work for Woody Johnson. Okay. And nobody wants to work with Aaron Rogers. That sounds very, very, very negative. Maybe you should get Aaron Rogers. Get him on the horn. Hey, Kevin Durant says you don't need a coach. Just hire Aaron.

That's right. The Rand, yeah. It really worked well the first time in New York. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. I'll give you an example of great coaching.

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Make sure you play this week's Fox Super 6 sponsored by Draft Kings. Go to the Fox Sports app and enter for a free chance to win cash prizes. So Green Bay is at Detroit tonight. I actually, it's not the best of the number, but I would take three and a half, four points with the Packers. I think what's interesting is we all kind of talk about the best coaches in football. It's Andy Reid. It's Sean Pateon. It's Shannih, it's Jim Harbaugh.

John Harbaugh. We all kind of, Mike Tomlin. We all kind of know the best coaches, right? And for some reason, and I'm guilty of this too, I'm like, I don't mention Matt LaFleur. And, in fact, and people will jump on Dan Campbell and go, look at Dan Campbell. but the truth is Aaron Rogers left Green Bay and the franchise got better

with Jordan Love. That's something. It's also the youngest roster in the NFL that's actually good. So he's dealing with a lot of kids. But I'll give you an example of what I think Matt Lafleur's coaching is all about. I think he's very patient.

I think he really knows offense. So the last two seasons, we took the first five games of Jordan Love. five this year that he started. Remember, he was banged up. And the first five last year that he started. This year and last year, first five games he started. And the numbers are brutal. He's not very good. And then we took the last for our radio audience, basically as an 86 passer rating, he's five and five, 23 touchdowns, 14 picks. Then we took the last five games he

played last year and the last five games he's played this year and he's basically Patrick Mahomes so for whatever reasons Jordan Love has to get rebuilt the last two years and clearly the longer he's with Matt LaFleur the better he gets you know compare that to the longer Caleb Williams was with Shane Waldron the worse it got the longer Russell Wilson was with Nat Hackett, the worse it got. But with Jordan Love, whatever reasons, he comes out of the offseason, and he is choppy. It doesn't look good. I mean, it's a backup.

The numbers are 59% completion percentage. 86 pass-per rating. That's a backup in this league. That's not somebody you'd resign. By the end of the season, this season and last, he's Mahomes. He's playing at that kind of level. So to me, that is what great coaching is. The ability, over time, to take really young players,

and that sort of defines the Packers roster and make them better. And I don't know why Jordan Love has to get rebuilt. This year, obviously there were some injuries. The year before, maybe he was just raw. But last two years, end of the season, it is special, and it's undeniable. So I want to talk about something else here. And I think this is interesting. I was thinking about this this morning.

So yesterday was National Letter of Intent Day in college football. It doesn't mean as much as it used to. Because with the transfer portal now, you used to take 25 high schoolers. Now teams take like 18 high schoolers, 16 high schoolers, and then they go get transfer portal guys. And transfer portal guys are already in college football kicking butt. So those guys don't miss very often. If a guy's good at Oregon State, chances are he's going to be good at Oregon.

If a guy is good at Purdue, chances he'd be good at Iowa. If a guy is good at Wisconsin and you played against him, he'll probably be good at Michigan. So the transfer portal is, it's like a real thing. And so I used to look at National Letter of Intent Day as a defining moment for where you were going. I don't anymore. Yesterday, Lincoln Riley's class, it was fine. They got the best defensive linemen arguably in the country. That's a big deal.

I haven't done that forever from Louisiana. But I'm going to explain something, not to defend it, but explain something. And here was Lincoln Riley yesterday. talking about his decent, you know, 15th best recruiting class. I tell him I'm a USC Trojan. I'm at the place I want to be. So that's a non-starter, it's a non-issue.

That's, I'm all. Okay, so again, the world's changed in terms of recruiting. I don't look at yesterday as a defining day. USC, if they land a great quarterback in the portal, a couple linebackers and a wide receiver, the class will look different. So they're not getting rid of him. They owe him 90 million.

He's not looking for another job. This is not the South where everybody loses sleep. If you win or you lose. There's a lot of context here. It's Los Angeles. He took over a program that was a mess. They just lost Caleb Williams and the offense struggle.

And also Jim Harbaugh's third year at Michigan, he pulled back. Brian Kelly, year seven at Notre Dame was a mess. You know, the South is different. Ohio State's different. If you lose to Michigan, you're on the hot seat. So the concerning issue for a lot of people is that he's not doing a good job recruiting L.A. kids. That's the, it's the six and six is not as big a deal as you think.

In 11 of 12 games, USC led in the fourth quarter. They're not getting blown out. You get the same product every week. They just don't have enough good players. Notre Dame was the first game all year. They didn't have a lead in the fourth quarter, I think. It's like 11 of 12. They're not up, down, roller coaster.

Maryland, Penn State, LSU, the good teams, the bad team. They lead in the fourth quarter and all of them. They lose leads, half of them. But here is my, I'm going to give you my belief on what's happening because I've been watching it for two years. It's not that Lincoln Riley wants to get on a plane and fly to Louisiana. It's not that Lincoln Riley wants to get on a plane and fly to Georgia. They don't want to do that. He'd want to recruit Southern California kids.

But maybe he's on to something. So I've had this discussion with somebody in recruiting. That high school coaching in Southern California is unbelievable. It's really good. It's like college football sometimes. The modern days, the boss goes, the high school coaching is acceptable. exceptional in Southern California. The players are overrated.

They're soft. It's Southern California. They're coached brilliantly. A five-star kid in L.A. is a four-star kid in Georgia. And a four-star kid in L.A., and there's a lot of them, is a three-star kid in Texas. I really believe that. Now, I'm not going to say that with quarterbacks or wide receivers.

Because L.A. is the seven-on-seven dreamland. The weather's always perfect. Quarterbacks, wide receivers, by all means, Alabama, Ole Miss, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State. Come on out here and grab our kids. But I think Lincoln Riley looks at this and goes, you know, we've done a little data on this, and we don't want to announce it. But a four-star Georgia kid, a four-star Texas kid, is better than a four-star L.A. kid. And I don't know if he's wrong.

I do not know if he's wrong. I mean, I could name off the top of my head, and I'm not going to name out kids. Ten five-star LA kids. None panned out. Most are out of football. Four years later. So it's not six and six.

This team took Penn State to overtime. They were driving for the winning score against Notre Dame. They beat LSU. It's not man overboard. It's six and six. and they're recruiting, and I don't think it's the worst plan. They did just land the best quarterback in Southern California. You know, they got one of the best corners.

Receivers, corners, quarterbacks, L.A. is great. It's L. La La Land. It's great. Interior linemen, linebackers, they're going to Michigan. Interior linemen, they're going to Louisiana, running backs. They're going to Texas and Georgia. I don't think I don't think that's a bad move necessarily the aesthetics are bad

the optics are bad but I think Southern California high school coaching is so good is so stupendously good the top programs are so well run they're like colleges that we overvalued the players

just my thought maybe I'm wrong wouldn't be the first time Greg CoSell coming up J. Mack you get me into recruiting I could go for hours and hours I don't want to do that. Deion Dawkins to the Buffalo Bills. Funny, funny, funny guys coming by, left tackle. Great one. Jordan Schult stopping by. Mike Vrable Jets. Don't poo-poo that just yet,

J-Mack. Cowherd is to college football recruiting as I am to college basketball. How about the 4-0 last night? You get those on Instagram? I put them out there. Dude to me. I've told friends this. No, I've told friends. I've told friends. I'm up the Christmas tree watching college basketball. You are as good on college basketball, Craten Basketball is anybody in the history of the industry. I wish I had Creighton last night.

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