The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The NBA is in trouble

Episode Date: December 18, 2024

Colin has major problems with the current NBA and commissioner Adam Silver finally admits they are going to have to do something about it There is an obvious choice for the Bears next head coach Brock Purdy might be in for a rude awakening if he decides to ask for too much money   Guest: Danny ParkinsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J. Mack, Urban Meyer, in one hour from now. Danny Parkins later this hour on the Bears coaching search. I'll get to that in five minutes. But last night, and we both love basketball, was the NBA Cup. I'm not sure if you noticed that they turned the seats blue last night to hide the fact about half of them were empty. So it's very interesting. We'll start with this. I like the NBA.

Congrats to the Milwaukee Bucks. They beat OKC last night. Two very good teams. But Adam Silver was talking to the media. He acknowledged that television ratings have fallen on a cliff, but one of his lines was, listen to this. Well, we're at the point where our social media audience is at the highest of any league. Yeah, congrats for crushing Twitter and IG and TikTok. Ain't paying the bills, bra.

Amazon, NBC, ESPN are your partners for the next decade. Twitter. TikTok may not even be. legal in six weeks. Who gives a rip about social media? You know what else is crushing on social media? Young people taking their clothes off. Congratulations.

It's not paying the bills either. So my takeaway is Oklahoma City. Here's what I saw last night. Shoot 32-3s and make five. The game is repetitive and boring. Roger Goodell and Rob Manfred have taken a lot of heat for cultural changes they've made with a sport. A lot of old-timers and purists have pushed back. Rule changes. And they've been right. Rob Manfred two for two this last year. Goodell,

multiple moves. Almost always right. Adam Silver needs to change the game. The three point shot is boring and repetitive. Every team plays the exact same way. I've said before, I would move the three point arc into the bench, eliminate the corner, move it back afoot, make it part of the game, not the game. Last night you had 72-3s. That's not good at the YMCA and it's not good in pro basketball. The most entertaining team in league history that had the highest ratings, the Michael Jordan Bulls. Do you know what they shot? Because they were athletic and high-flight. Five-threes a game. This year's Bulls average 44. You might as well turn Michael Jordan's jump man logo if he played today into MJ with a fallaway 27-footer. Boring.

It needs to be part of the game. Not the game. By the way, Major League Baseball defensive shift. Oh, the analytics proved you could get more guys out that way. You were right. But nobody wants to watch Bryce Harper and, you know, Shohei Otani and Mookie Betts lining out to a second baseman playing right field. And then heading back to the dugout.

You want them on television. And I've said this about tech before. you got to be more than just smart with tech. Google glasses, the meta headsets, for dorks. The consumers were like, yeah, it's smart. Who wants to walk around and learn a meta headset and be a huge dork? Packaging matters. Steve Jobs, the greatest mind ever in Silicon Valley.

He always understood packaging matters. It can't just be math. If the NFL, if the Philadelphia Eagles could get five years, yards a tush push. They would never have to do any other play, and the NFL would outlaw it. It's okay that they do it twice a game. If they got to 10 times, the NFL would outlaw and should. And packaging matters, how a game looks.

My entire life, I watched the NBA. All of our favorite players have been like MJ and Kobe and athletic players. There's a reason the dunk contest is usually more fun to watch than the three-point shooting contest. The NBA has the world's greatest athletes. Aunt Edwards now shoots 10 and a half threes a game. Yuck! I don't mind three. I want to see him drive to the basket. It can't just be about, well, analytics. Math isn't always good for sports.

The defensive shift. Yeah, got more people out. I want Mookie Betts and Bryce Harbor on base, not in the dugout. The three point shot now, it's just too repetitive. It's boring. everybody plays the same. So these are all TV shows. I don't care that you're big on TikTok. Tech can't be just smart. And sports can't just be efficient with analytics.

It's got to be entertaining. Aunt Edwards. You know, it's funny. I was telling a friend last night. I said this idea that everybody has to shoot analytics, but what if you don't have good three-point shooters? That's like saying, you know, all kids have to drink milk. What if you're lactose intolerant?

I had a stomachache for 13 years. I was told I had to drink milk. It's not good for everybody. Three-pointers were good for the Warriors. Not bad for Milwaukee. When Chet Holmgren's not playing, OKC shouldn't be shooting them. Everybody chased the Warriors for years. One team was winning titles shooting a bunch of threes.

The Warriors. So Adam Silver, do a Rob Manfred, do a Roger Goodell. Nobody cares about TikTok. Congrats dominating that. You know what the NFL cares about? Fox, Amazon, Netflix, CBS, ESPN. That's what they care about, their broadcast partners. Because that's driving the money in the league.

Buts in seats and butts on their couch watching on TV. Okay, so I saw this story this morning from like a something linked to Bleacher Report. Joe Brady is a strong candidate for the Bears job. No, he's not. We know Joe Brady from two things. being the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bill's offense with Josh Allen, not the biggest lift in the world. And also being the passing game coordinator for Joe Burrow at LSU

with Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. Not exactly big lifts. Ed Orgeron won a natty with that team. Love Ed, but he won a natty. Okay, the Chicago Bears can't be your first gig. Can't be. He's never been a high school coach. Can't be your first gig. And I'll give you an example. Everybody that works on the construction of a bridge is a great tradesman. Everybody is great at something. But about one or two people can lead the project. They're called architects and engineers. The Chicago Bears are a bridge project, but not just a bridge project. They're the Golden Gate Bridge. They're the biggest bridge project of the decade. they've never had a quarterback throw for 4,000 yards. The Packers are up around 5,000 annually.

Like this is the ultimate bridge project. You can't say, hey, this guy over here, Joe Brady, he's great with asphalt. I can find those guys, and they're good tradesmen, and they deserve to be paid. But they can't lead the project. You've got oldest owners in the league. A loud and relentless and powerful media. A general manager who had a... He's got a spotty track record.

Don't hate him, don't love it. And a president, Kevin Warren, who reportedly is, and I've been told this, can be very, very political. This is not a job for a coordinator or a job for somebody that's never even been to high school coach. This is the big bridge project. You go and you go and you get the firm. You don't have, in the biggest murder case in a law firm, have a junior associate on the case. You got some old guy with salt and pepper hair, and it's his 47th murder case. This is a big job with a loud media.

There's talent on the roster, but there's talent on the Jets roster. There are so many obstacles here. And again, I'm not saying Joe Brady can't do it, but Mike Vrable can do it. Mike Vrable was coached hard in the ecosystem of Belichick. Mike Vrable was in Tennessee, and they've had plenty of dysfunction. He had to win a division without a great quarterback or an ascending quarterback. So the idea, I keep seeing all these coordinators for this job. You can't hire a guy who's good with asphalt to build the Golden Gate Bridge.

This is a grown-up job. You need the top lawyer to handle this case. You need somebody that's been to a conference championship that can deal with dysfunction, that can blow stuff up, start over and build a culture. That's what Harbaugh was. That's what Dan Campbell was. You know, Dan Campbell had been interim head coach, but he'd been an interim head coach. And he had many people in the league, like the Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson,

guys like that were on the phone saying, this guy can do it. And they were right, he can't. But if I hear another one of these coordinators, listen, Joe Brady can coach. But having Joe Burrow in college with the best receiving court collegiately in the history of the sport and Josh Allen, that's a pretty light lift. That's not what Chicago is. Not even close to what Chicago is. All right, Danny Parkins, we'll talk about that in about 35 minutes.

J. Mack, you know, we bring a guy on this show, who I like a lot, Brian Baldinger. And he is very good at breaking down footage. And he, again, he's not in the pay roll for anybody. he played in this league. He's an offensive lineman. Very interesting suggestion by Baldi today looking at film on what the Niners should do at quarterback. I'm not sure if you're going to love this story. I haven't heard it, but I have heard other people tell me that they should swap Brock Purdy for a certain quarterback who you love. Okay. I'm America's honesty broker. I'm not taking sides. I'm just going to present

what Baldi says, and it's very interesting. For a guy, by the way, as a former cowboy, he didn't give a rip. Well, I mean, listen, if I'm going to buy a house and there's two houses, what's my number one? Well, location is the number one thing in real estate, but price point is next. And if Brock Purdy wants 60 mil, you know,

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Said it before, don't confuse a great story for a great team, a great coach, or a great player. So Brian Baldinger, Baldi, played in the NFL for years, had played every offensive line position. Great at breaking down the game. You'll see him doing that on, you know, the internet. He said, yesterday when asked, he said, listen, if you're asking me Darnold or Brock Purdy, Darnold's been in that system, I'd take Darnold. So would I, if the price point, is Sam Darnold for three years at $40 million and Brock Purdy for four years at $50 to $55 million, which he wants. So they're going for it, the Brock Purdy camp.

So Darnold's bigger, more athletic with a better arm. Now, both, in my opinion, have only flourished with a great offensive coach. and that may be the only time they do flourish. Purdy and Darnold neither has shown an ability to elevate average players, but both are hyperproductive when they have great players around them. So I'm going to take the better arm, the better athlete at a better price, and it's not difficult. Sam Darnold, by the way, still in his prime 27 and has double the starts. So he's a more experienced guy.

But here's the thing. people love the story of Brock Purdy being drafted in the seventh round. It's a cool story. But of the 14 teams currently in the playoff, 12 have first-round quarterbacks, and Jalen Hertz is a second-rounder. Here's all the first-round quarterbacks in the NFL. You know it's all the good ones. Josh Allen, Burrow.

Right now, Darnold, Goff, Herbert, Lamar, Love, Patrick Mahalms, Mahalms, Baker, Kyler, Murray, Stafford, C.G. Stroud. All first round. ballots. Jalen Hertz, who most people who break down films say isn't great from the pocket, but I do think is a really good quarterback. He's a second rounder. And then there's Brock, who has struggled when it's wet, who has struggled without Christian McCaffrey and Trent Williams, who can be reckless like Darnold, but I don't get the upside physically arm mobility that I get with Sam Darnold. So people I think have always confused the story with the truth. Yeah,

Rock Purdy is a great story, and if you get a guy that starts in the seventh round, you don't have to pay him for four years. He's basically free. But don't make the exception the rule. The guys hoisting trophies are first-round guys, Aikman, Bradshaw. You know, that's the minute. Well, what about Brady? Again, you're making the exception the rule.

Tom Brady is the greatest player in the history of the NFL, and he was a six-round picked. I acknowledge that. But in the current NFL where you get far, Brady would not last until the sixth round today. Scouting is more sophisticated. Young players get more looks from more eyes from 12 years of age on. I'm with Brian Baldinger. If you're telling me, I get Sam at 27, both of these guys have shown they can be highly productive with a great offensive coach. Neither's ever proven they can elevate average talent. I don't even mean it's tough. I'm going Sam Darnold. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, well, the big NFL news last night was out of Atlanta where the Falcons have benched Kurt Cousins. They will roll with Michael Pennix, Jr., the rookie, against the Giants at home. This weekend, Cousins, Colin, it's been. a brutal last five games. One touchdown, nine interceptions. Got old fast. Pennix takes over. The Bucks are still

just one game back in the South. I saw a stat that Kirk Cousins has been so bad that in the last game against the Raiders on Monday, they had 23 first down place. They ran the ball on 22 of them. They're just like Kirk's immobile. He can't do anything. He's limited. He's struggling.

We're just going to run the football. This is a little. You know what this is? This is a little Flacco Lamar Jackson. they wanted Flacco to last the year they wanted Lamar to sit for the year they got to week 11 and they're like okay it's not working and then they went with them

a little earlier probably then they wanted they knew he was good in practice well Pennix reportedly Dan Orlovsky said he's been he's hearing nothing but good things I'm just telling you he was great in college a lot of starts barely saw him in the preseason there's been opportunities to put him in this year out

but they shut him down remember they shut him down and Arthur Blank wrote a $180 million check. You're not going to do rotating quarterback when Arthur Blank's like, you guys talk me into signing him, you got to play him. And I think he would have been replaced two weeks ago

if he had come off the street and the cost him $20 million. I think they would have moved off him three weeks ago. I think they wanted to make sure he was on fumes. And now, it may have been too late because the bucks are hot and may just go into the playoffs on like a

seven-game winning streak. But if Tampa falters and Pennix is good, Atlanta wins the division because they have the tiebreaker. So let's give Pennix a quick second before we go back to Cousins. I'm a huge Pennix guy. I loved him coming out. Listen, Lamar just threw five touchdowns against the Giants. There's a Pennix at home.

Hopefully they open up the offense. I think he's got an opportunity to cook this weekend. Yeah. Do you think, I mean... I think he's very good. Listen, the quarterback I worried about was always J.J. McCarthy because he played under Harbaugh's run-first system surrounding him. And my takeaway is, I mean, he just doesn't...

that much. He doesn't look big. Then I watched him the preseason and I thought, okay, but I thought Pennix, Boenicks, Jaden and Caleb. I thought all of them. I thought it was going to be four out of five. Penix, I never doubted. When I watched J.J. McCarthy, I was like, you know, Michigan was turning

and handing it to Blake Corum for the last two years with that O line and D-line. But I think JJ, you cross your fingers on the MRI or whatever the surgery had, but I always thought Pennix, if I would have moved up for a quarterback, we knew Caleb was and one, Jaden, too.

I thought Pennix, not J.J. McCarthy, would be the quarterback people moved up for. Okay, so now to Cousins, Colin. He is 36 years old. He turns 37 next August. Right, right. He is, I think, a guaranteed 27 mil was what I saw from the Falcons next year. Is this a Russell Wilson scenario where they say, you know what? We're not keeping you as the backup.

We're going to go ahead and cut you. We owe you the money. You can go wherever you want, Kirk. Yeah. And then someone, Sanford. Francisco, which has always had a, Shanahan's always had a love affair with cousins, can San Francisco say, hey, give us the Russell Wilson deal. Come play for us for a million dollars.

Yeah. You'll be our starter in San Fran. Yeah. And we move on for Purdy. The difference is. Russell at the end in Denver with Peyton did not look washed. In fact, his numbers are very similar now to Bo Nix. That's true.

I mean, what we're seeing now is a major league pitcher and his fastball is 86. True. We know Shanahan has arguably the best offensive mind in the league. He's one of them. Yeah, yeah. I would trust Shanahan to fix whatever ails Kirk Cousins. Would you not? Listen, in this league right now, old unathletic quarterbacks are not hoisting trophies.

Can you know who is? Young athletic quarterbacks. So to me, the San Francisco 49ers standard is get a trophy. Not go to the Super Bowl. They've been there twice. Get a ring. Kirk Cousins is not winning the NFC. He's not extending any plays.

Okay, so where does he land? Don't tell me he's out of the league. There's no way. I'll throw one at you for a year. Tennessee. Tennessee makes sense, but it's outdoors. I'm just saying, well, so San Francisco. It's not like there.

It's warm weather. The division is Arizona indoors, you know, like that. Kirk Cousins is, I think Russell Wilson's ability to move the pocket, his ability. I still think, I still think Russell's got about 80% of his juice. I think Kirk's got about 40%. Wow. Oh, I mean, you're watching the same games I am. I know. Those out patterns now float.

Interesting. I guess I just trust Shanahan to fix it. But we'll see. He's got to play in the league next year somewhere. Next up, Colin, is the Eagles 12 and 2, though it's been drama-filled. It feels like every week. Hall of Famer Brian Dawkins believes he's seen some growth from the team saying there's a whole lot of maturing going on in Philadelphia. Adding friction is not a bad thing. Friction helps remove the impurities off the surface. Okay. I will say this. They are good television, period. I've said this about the Phillies, and I'll say it about the Eagles. There's something about home games in Philly that jump off the TV,

and I find this team and the security guard and Nick Seriani and the drama. I think, you know, Jim Nance said this weekend he thought Buffalo was America's team, and it feels like to me a lot of people are rooting for the bills this year. But I would say if you're talking about an entertainment product, Buffalo's right up there and Philadelphia. Oh, Detroit's still up there. They are, but golf is an electric. I'm watching him this past week, Jalen Hertz.

Dude, he was spectacular. He was, he was good. Good? I guess we have different standards. I don't know. I want to see if A.J. Brown's playing, honestly. That's all that matters to me in this game. If A.J. Brown's in, he goes with.

If he's out, I'll take the commander's money line. All right. You don't think A.J. Brown's the man there in Philly? I think he's one of the man. And I think he's a valuable man. Sequin dinged up? Well, let's slow down. All right, okay.

Dinged up. He's a running back in week 15. They're all dinged up. By the way, how about Siriani raving about Kenneth Gainwell after? I don't know if he saw that. He was pretty good. He's not a 30-carry guy, but he just seemed a little odd that he was, I mean, going on and on. He's a gadget speed guy.

You're not going to give him 20 carries, but he's a nice little backup running back. Certainly, certainly. Final story is the Rams started out the year one and four. Just like last year, they turned it on when it mattered most. They've won seven of nine. First place to the NFC West. They're in the driver's seat, given the Seattle, Gino Smith situation. But McVeigh knows it doesn't matter that you're in the driver's seat unless you finish strong.

Change anything that we've talked about for the last handful of weeks, you know, unless the season ended today, it's all just temporary. And, you know, we've got to continue to be one day at a time, one moment at a time and one game at a time like what we've been. I think it's a testament to the group to be able to handle some of the things that they've handled over the last few weeks, but all of it is not relevant unless we continue to do something about it. And the only thing that we can do is have a great week of preparation against a very challenging opponent who we have tremendous respect for. I will say I think they have, I think they are one draft away. They need to get an elite corner, an elite left tackle, and this draft has a bunch of both, and another sideline receiver.

I think they're really, really good, but I think this year, by the end of the year, Buffalo has had moments where they look great, and I think Philadelphia has had moments where they look great. Detroit looked great early. They're not great now, too many injuries. So, you know, we say great doesn't win. Very few Super Bowl champs or college football national championships are great.

Most are very, very good. When I watch Philadelphia this past weekend, or I watch Buffalo's offense, I see great. And I think the Rams are very good, but there are about four players from great. That's it. Left tackle, corner, perimeter receiver, and I would say another really athletic linebacker. A tricky game this week in New York, outdoors. I know it is. I stay.

It's a three and a half point line. What do you make of that? The Jets are dumb enough to win this game and hurt their draft seating. And it wouldn't shock me. You know, the defense has been just shredded the last, like, month? I mean, Aaron's watching that Enigma Netflix doc. He's probably feeling himself. Did you?

I didn't. I didn't. I didn't, I didn't. I'd seen the whole story. Well, I'd seen the whole story before. He's not secretive or private like Michael Jordan was. So in Michael Jordan's doc, there's a lot I didn't know because Michael's very, he's very private. Aaron, I've seen his feet.

I know the whole story. I read the Ian O'Connor book. So there's not a lot I didn't know. He gets really high in the second episode I've been told. But I don't know if that's... Really high, like, altitude or just like... Well... Pharmaceuticals.

Mushrooms. So do you remember we had gone to the Super Bowl? We went to Vegas last year, and we heard the story that, oh, there's cameras following around Aaron Rogers. We talked about it on air. That's what this is. Yeah. I like documentaries. I tried.

I know too much about him, so I'm not that interested in his journey because I've already read everything, and he's not a private person. He talks about it all the time. And so it's like, if he does ayahuasca, let me know. That's the episode two. Oh, God. Yeah, it's the hippie episode. I can't wait for that. They're just thrilling.

All right. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Yeah, it's, oh, I, you know, I, let me say this. So, Dion Sanders has been a bit of a revelation. And what he's really been is he's been a present for all of us.

Dion Sanders is fun. and he's saying that he thinks Bill Belichick, his quote here is his track record stands alone. Bill Belichick's going to find college football success much more easily in college than the pros. So here's the thing. I feel like college football to Belichick, if he's an artist, you're taking his brush. College football is constantly taking your brush if you're a scheme guy. Bill's the best defensive coach in the sports history, college or pro. his IQ, his relentless work culture, college football gives you 20 hours a week to coach.

I mean, never forget, Ed O, won a natty. He's a great recruiter. I'm watching Lincoln Riley, very good with schemes, struggle. Chip Kelly said, I don't want to be a head coach anymore. He's a great ex-as-and-o's guy. He hates recruiting. Ed Orgeron has a natty. Ed's a recruiter.

College football is charisma. it's patience, its personality, and that's not Valichick. I mean, his default personality is inconvenience and annoyed. That's like his default. His resting chin of a personality is, I've been inconvenienced. College football is just layers and layers of needy donors, that silly collective, high maintenance administrators, having to play by somebody else's rules. in the NFL you have one owner.

And by the way, Bob Kraft, say what you want. Mostly stayed out of the way for years. He once told him, we're not trading Tom Brady. You got to move Garoppolo. Not exactly a huge sacrifice. Every day in college football is a time sacrifice. And you're only allowed to coach 20 hours. So if you look at the great college coaches, I mean, Nick Sabin, you could say,

oh, he's an ex-as-and-o's guy. Nick's got charisma. You watch him on television? He's funny. Nick is really charismatic. Bill is on TV. He doesn't qualify as charismatic. He's smart.

I have never doubted that. But people think college football in the NFL, you know, it's the same sport. No, it's not. No, no, no, it's not. In the NFL, you are allowed to really, if you're dedicated enough, you stay overnight in the facility.

That's not college. there are limitations on how smart a smart guy can be. So I've never bought this. I don't think it's a good fit. And I think college football has gotten needier and more difficult. But Dion thinks he's going to be, I mean, it's going to be easier than it was for Bill and the pros. No one in the NFL has accomplished what he's accomplished. And making that translate to college football, I feel like it's an easier road for him to come to college football and have success.

that it is to recal that fire that he had in New England. I love the move. I love what it does in college football. I love the excitement. It generates. I love Coach Belichick, man. No, no, I like that, too. For the record, I don't think Dion would be as successful in the pros,

even though he was the greatest cornerback of all time. I think Dion's personality, his charisma in college where players select you, He's got swag. He's got attitude. Deon's still cool. Puts the cowboy hat on in the shades. Bill's known for cutting off the sleeves on a hoodie. Remember, in the pros, you select the players.

In college, they select you. So charisma matters. I've been in a room. I've gone out and had beers with Ed O. You just can't help love the guy. You're sitting in there, you're like, man, if I was a high school football star, I'd want to play for Ed O. And college football limits the number of practice hours.

So if you're a great recruiter, hire a good coordinator. You go in a natty. That's not the way it works in the NFL. The smartest coaches in the world are in the NFL and you can coach for hours. Danny Parkins. We're going to talk Bears next, Chicago, among other things. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers.

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Part of the Breakfast Ball News show. Pipeline to the Pros is his book. He's our friend Danny Parkins. He is joining us live, former Chicago radio host and knows the city very, very well. So I've been talking about this now for the last couple of weeks. It was my second story today. I heard Joe Brady's name came up, and the analogy I used, Danny, was, listen, everybody that works on a bridge. To build a bridge is a tradesman.

But if you're going to be the leader of the project, you have to be an engineer and architect. This needs an engineer or an architect, not just a tradesman. I don't want any coordinators getting the Bears job. This is a big, big project. Is Vrable the name you would suggest? I mean, where are you on him? Because he's the biggest name out there. We are not aligned on this one, Colin.

And I love the analogy, as always. It's excellent work. But I'll take the tradesman. I want the offensive guy. Mike Vrable should coach Cincinnati, where they have Joe Burrow and the offense is established. He should coach Dallas, where they have Deck Prescott. and the offense is established.

Go coach Ohio State, if you want. I feel like Mike Vrable, we've overrated him because time away has helped him age pretty well. People are like, oh my God, he won 12 games. That team had Derek Henry, that team had AJ Brown. Arthur Smith was the offensive coordinator. We've seen that he can raise the floor of a quarterback. He's doing it with Russell Wilson,

and he did it with Ryan Tannahill that last year. There were power struggles in Tennessee. He went six and 18 in his last 24 games. He wanted all the power. He couldn't replace our. Arthur Smith at offensive coordinator. They had a seven-game losing streak to finish a season. So Caleb Williams is at an inflection point.

He's at a fork-of-the-road moment in his career. I want to try to find the coach that can win and develop and maximize any quarterback. Go find your Kevin O'Connell. Go find your Matt LaFleur, you're Sean McVeigh, your Kyle Shanahan. If you can't get those guys in a trade, go try to find the next one, because the Bears need offensive help.

Yeah, leadership is a problem. I'm not going to dispute it. But I think this leader of men stuff is grossly overrated. All football coaches are supposed to be leaders of men. So we got into this yesterday. We talked about Brock Purdy. The story is better than the truth. If you go look at the 14 playoff teams, 12 have first round quarterbacks,

and Jalen Hurst, Jalen Hertz was in the second round. Lamar and Josh, Emma Holmes, and Goff, Matt Stafford. Brock Purdy reportedly wants 55. large, I've said, I'll take Sam Darnold for 40. I'm not even, I'm not blinking an eye. Do you believe that the story of Brock Purdy has now surpassed the reality, much like maybe Vrable to me? Yes, I do, and I've been there for a while on it, but the problem is, and you're a market guy, the market has spoken here. Like, Brock Purdy should not give San Francisco any sort

of hometown discount. He's accomplished more than Jordan Love has. when he got his payday, then two ahead when he got his payday. So I expect Brock Purdy to ask for a market rate deal. He won't break Dak Prescott's number necessarily. He's not going to have the highest contract ever, but he will be in that $55 million-plus range. And if I was the GM, I wouldn't give it to him. But I do think that San Francisco will because it's a have-and-a-have-not league,

and they tried it with Trey Lance. They got three first-round picks, and it failed miserably for them. So I expect Brock Purdy to get paid, and I think it's going to be a mistake. Well, then what would you do if you're Minnesota? Daniel Jones isn't the future. J.J. McCarthy is. Would you let Darnold go?

I would struggle letting him out of the building. I'd franchise tag, which is a lot of money. But I, what do you do with Darnold? See, I think this is a situation where Kevin O'Connell is the miracle worker. Kevin O'Connell has final say here. Hey, do you think that you can do with JJ McCarthy what you did with Sam Darnold? If he says yes, then you let someone else pay Sam Darnold and you've got J.J. McCarthy, who you liked, who you traded up for, who you used the first round pick on,

who they must have loved in the evaluation process. And you trust that Kevin O'Connell can do it again. If he has any doubts about J.J. McCarthy from being around him for a year, then, of course, you do what you said and you keep Sam Darnold in the building. Yeah. So I wouldn't play Mahomes this weekend. I think they're good enough with Carson Wentz to beat Houston. I don't think they, I just wouldn't even risk it. What's the point? But there are reports he will play. What would be your tact going forward with Mahomes? Football players play. I've been shocked by this. The number, no, listen, someone like you or me saying don't play, that makes sense because we are soft. Like by nature. We wear makeup and we're like, oh my God, you spray. his ankle and then 300-pounders are going to try to tackle him and Will Anderson and

Daniel Hunter against those tackles. It's a terrible matchup. What? T.J. Watt four days later is a great matchup or the Broncos pass rush a week after that. We have no idea. They said it was a mild ankle sprain. They said if it was a playoff game he could have gone back in. They absolutely still have something to play for. I mean, home field advantage, the Arrowhead Invitational, Buffalo needing to go to Kansas City. That would seem to matter a great deal here. Buffalo wins out. Kansas City needs to win at least two of their last three to retain home field advantage. So I think he will play. I think he should play. These guys work 365 days a year for 17 Sundays. They play hurt all the time. I don't think you get a ton of benefit by resting him for four extra days against Pittsburgh.

And if someone said it, it would be a doctor, not a talk show host. Finally, I want your stamp on this. I think Belichick is going to go one year. and then go back to the NFL. I think college is just a bunch of nonsense and portal. And also, you only get to coach 20 hours a week. Eric B. Enemy told us yesterday on the show. So it limits your ability to grind. It's go shake hands.

And Bill's not going to be on the recruiting trail trying to find a corner. I think it's one year. College wears him out. Mike Lombardi's got no interest being an athletic department. It's too much of a pro model. What say you? I don't believe that he wants. this job. I think that this was, I want to coach in the NFL. Only one team showed interest

last year. It was Atlanta. I lost out on that to Rahim Morris. Is anyone, is any NFL team going to give him the power and the control that he craves? I think he has a great agent. He knows everybody. He was talking to people through back channels. That was what Seth Wickersham's reporting suggested. And he didn't think that job was going to be there for him this time. And so instead of doing media, he would rather coach at North Carolina because he'd rather coach somewhere than do media again. I don't think given another year, all of a sudden there's going to be a bunch of NFL teams ready to give 73-year-old Bill Belichick all of that power. I want him in the NFL. I think he should be in the NFL.

I think it's way more interesting with him in the NFL, though this is obviously a fascinating story for a number of reasons, some of which you just outlined. But I think we've seen Bill Belichick coach his last game in the NFL because I think the NFL is done with Bill Belich. Hell check. Yeah. Danny Parkins, Breakfast Ball, Craig Carton, Mark Schlarith, Mornings, FS1. Good to see you, buddy. Anytime, Colin. Good to see you, my friend. Yep.

He's a former Chicago radio host, knows the market well. So he is for an offensive coach with Caleb Williams. I am for a culture changer because I think the franchise is so broken. I still go back to what we asked a couple days ago. I think it's interesting. If you were Vrable and you were offered the Giants, the Jets, and the Bears, what would you take? The best quarterback, the best history, or, in my opinion, New York Jets, the best roster.

I think you can replace players. I think it's hard if you have an ascending young quarterback to say no. I think it's really hard to say no. And I think that's what Chicago has. And I think everybody in the league, Bill Belichick and Vrable reportedly have told people Chicago is the best job. But as good as Caleb Williams has played this year, he's ascending. You've got too much uncertainty in the front office.

I'm not taking that. Who's your boss? that matters a lot, Colin. Especially these power-hungry coaches. Rable's like a really good coach, respected throughout the league, great against the spread, has a history of doing a lot with a little. Yeah.

He had Tanna Hill at quarterback. Yeah, and they were the number one-see. Yeah. And it's like, and now I've got to deal with these, this cold war going on in the front office. I just, I'd have to give that a little more thought. Yeah. No, I, listen, Joe Brady, again,

Natty with Joe Burrow, Josh Allen's having an MVP year. I get the attractiveness. And maybe he works. It's, you know, college coaches to the NFL usually don't work, but they can. Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll. Coordinators getting a head job is overwhelmingly reliant on the quarterback. Like I think Mike McDonald in Seattle is really good. But they have Gino Smith.

So there's an absolute ceiling. Too many mistakes, not athletic enough. You know. So, I mean, again, I think, coordinators can work if you have, like Mike, Sean McDermott was a coordinator. But he got Tyrod Taylor to the playoffs. So, you know, I mean, in the AFC, and then he got Josh Allen. So Sean McDermott's obviously a success, period.

I've said before he's Chuck Knox. You can look it up. I think he's really good. I don't know if he's great, and you have to generally go up against the best coaches in the league to win a Super Bowl. You're going to get, you know, Reed and Belichick and the like. The big problem is you're a coach, you know your system, you know how it works. You know what players fit your system. This is who I want.

This is who I need. This guy works for me. And the GM might not see it that way. Like, uh, that's not a good fit for our team. And the coach sees it another way. And then you've just got like issues and it never works. Imagine if a streaming service came after you. And they were like, hey, Colin, here's what we're going to talk about on your show.

Excuse me? I've been doing this for 20 years. Yeah. I know what works. I'll do my thing. Here's the advantage of being in Buffalo. Joe Brady knows the offense. He can cherry pick a couple of McDermott's top defensive assistance

because it is a good defensive coaching staff in Buffalo. So there's probably a really good coach who would love to triple his salary and be a defensive coordinator. And also Joe Brady, I mean, with Caleb Williams, a lot of people are going to want to sign up for that. You'll build a good staff. Hey guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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