The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The NFC East is about to change

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Colin points out what the Lakers understand better than any team in the NBA as they win their 6th game in a row. He believes the 49ers made the right decision to trade wide receiver Deebo Samuel and why this move is bad news for the NFC EastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J. Mack, you know, you said, and I said, you know, you're a little ahead of yourself. It's that young man, that young stallion energy of yours. You had Luca turning the Lakers into Bill Russell's Celtics, and I was like, hold on there, cowboy. But I will say, they leaned on Luca last night, and something is happening here. You start looking at the last six or seven games with Luca. They didn't even have Austin Reeves in Rui last night, and they won. And there was a brief moment as they beat the Clippers last night that we thought tech CEO, billionaire, Steve Bomer, would overtake the Buss family and the Lakers. Jeannie and Jim Bus were struggling to get along.

Yeah, that idea has been squashed. The Lakers better today. The Lakers' future much brighter. Last night, Luca, huge first half of the Lakers, once again bolt out to a lead. And the Clippers, desperate to have relevance in a star, have the unlikable Kauai. who's never available and rarely talks, and James Hardin, who can still give you numbers, but was minus 18 plus and minus last night.

The Lakers have lovable Luca. Everybody loves Austin Reeves, and whether you love LeBron or not, you have to worship at the altar of his physicality, his biology. He is playing like he's 27 years old. And the Lakers have always understood this, and the clippers in their growth and their ascension,

don't understand this. It's not just about having a star. It's about in Los Angeles having the right star. This is not Indianapolis. This is not Orlando. There are stars everywhere. It's about having the right star. Kauai, James Hardin.

Come on. No, it's about having Jim Harbaugh's coach or Matt Stafford or Shohei Or Tani or Luca. Luca is big. And the Lakers have always done that. I mean, they've had some stars who were stoic like Kareem, but they got him magic. Powell Gasol, bit more stoic, and they've got Kobe. The Lakers have understood it's not just a star. It's magic.

It's Shaq. It's Kobe. It's LeBron. It's Luca. Bigger than life. A lot of stars out there in the NBA that don't translate to wins. The other thing about the Lakers is they get stars, they're not desperate to get them.

Same with the Dodgers. Dodgers and the Lakers aren't desperate for stars. They want to get stars like Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts who win games, who are great postseason guys, who can do multiple things well. And, I mean, comparing the Clippers and Lakers is six flags to Disney. You got to be more than roller coasters. You got to bring more in than roller coasters.

And that's the difference with the Lakers. Last 22 games, their first, second, and third, and every analytic that matters first in wins. And there's so much inherent love and tradition and history with the Lakers in Los Angeles and the Dodgers that if you bring in a catalyst like a Shohei or a Luca, they're not only the biggest game in town to the biggest team in their sport. So they've won six straight and give J.J. Reddit credit. Didn't have Austin Reeves, didn't have Rui. They're playing incredible defense as Anthony Davis arguably the best defense in the league left.

They're playing out of their mind. He's experimenting with small ball lineups. It's got a little Warriors field to it. They don't have to have necessarily a center on the floor at all times. I know a lot of people questioned Reddick. And I may have wondered if Luca was in the right shape. But last night was Lucas night, and once again the Lakers night, and here's the coach after. And it just seemed like throughout the game, when we needed a bucket,

when we needed him to draw a second, third defender at times, he was in. able to make the right play minus the six turnovers. But he played fantastic tonight. And again, it was that verve and that spirit of competition, but also just something that is, maybe it's an inner demon, I don't know, but it comes out. And it's fantastic for us when it does. This can't be overstated. For a lot of places in this country, it's just about.

getting a star. That has never been it with the Lakers. It's not just about getting a star. Pau Gasol was the right fit for Kobe Bryant, who could be ball-centric. Magic Johnson was perfect to bring out the best in Kareem. And I think what you're seeing with Luca, and the reason they made the move, they already had A.D. and LeBron two stars. But their takeaway was, Luca will be better with LeBron. Luca on the Knights, LeBron is a little tired. Luca can score 30 points and take over the game. You never knew if you were getting that with AD.

AD was a star. His personality, more number two, a little more stoic, a little quieter, more reticent. But again, it's not just about the start. Meanwhile, the Clippers have Kauai Leonard, who's almost never available. They give him an extension. They just want a star. Just give us a star. We just don't want to be irrelevant.

The Lakers are never irrelevant, so they don't have to worry about. They get the right star. And that's the difference between those two organizations. Sixthag and Disney, both have roller coasters. One of them is beyond that. One of them is hotels. One of them is movies. One of them is films.

One of them is working the late Steve Jobs connecting to people's hearts, not just going up and down on a roller coaster. Right? So when I'm watching Luca last night, I'm like, once again, the Lakers do it. It's not just that, hey, we got a famous guy. That's not it. Spielberg can get a lot of famous actors. He leans on the really, really box office draws who can draw people into a theater. That's the difference. And I thought this was interesting this weekend. So, you know, the 49ers will get to this later. They'll be fine. But Debo Samuel got traded to the

Washington commander. So this is something J. Mack and I have been talking about. I think we even talked about this December, January. Like, Debo was unhappy, you know where he'd fit, Washington. So this was a pretty easy one to predict. The two things that jump out to me with this deal, number one, it's a perfect fit. So Washington's got a ton of cap space and Cliff Kingsbury's offense, which does a lot of motion, a lot of tricks, needs a chess piece. Debo is not your classic number one receiver. He doesn't really separate. I think he's had 1,000-yard reception year, and that was four years ago. He's not, Jamo. Chase or Justin Jefferson.

But Debo Samuel is a great chess piece, and Shanahan is a chess master, and Cliff Kingsbury as an offensive coordinator is a chess master. So Debo really works with about a half dozen teams in this league. So that's the first thing. He's a good fit. The second thing, though, they only give a fifth round pick. Now think about that. A fifth round pick.

The Dallas Cowboys in their division gave up a fourth round pick for quarterback Trey Lambs. and basically every quarterback that Kyle Shanahan's ever had, he makes them better. Kyle Shanahan gave up on Trey Lance. The Cowboys gave up a fourth round pick for Trey Lance. It didn't play. It's third string behind Cooper Rush. They gave up a fourth round pick the Cowboys did for Jonathan Mingo, who I told you the day they did it. That's a terrible move.

A Mingo, by the way, last year had five catches for Dallas. Like, I'm telling you moves. I'm a sportscaster. You can't just give away picks. And you see this in the NFL. You start making two or three great moves. You get a Jaden Daniels. You get a Debo for a fifth round pick.

You get Kingsbury. He was going to be a raider or a bear coordinator. No, you steal Kingsbury with an aggressive deal. And then you, on the other side in your division, you overpay a quarterback who's a B, DAC and make him A plus plus money quarterback. And then you give away fourth round picks. And all of a sudden, one year later, you look at the Cowboys in Washington. Two years ago, Cowboys are winning 12 games.

Washington is a laughing stock. Today, the Debo move considered. Washington's a better team, a better organization, a better quarterback, and a much better deal. That's how quickly it happens in the NFL. I mean, look at the Cowboys coaching situation. It was a mess. Mike McCarthy basically begging for a job, got one with Dallas, and said, no thanks, I'm out of here.

And from what I can tell, Jerry Jones walked down the hallway at one cowboy place and said, what's your name again, Schadenheimer? I knew your father. Would you like to be coach? I mean, it was a mess. It was a Friday news dump. So one of the things that's great about the NFL, in baseball, you know, it takes a while to go from awful to good. in the NBA, you've got to land the right stars.

It takes a while. I mean, the draft, it's a bunch of 18, 19-year-old kids. They can't even get into the hotel bar they're staying at the rips. But in the NFL, you get the coach right, the quarterback right, two years of making good deals in the front office. Houston Texans laughing stock to playoff team. Washington commanders laughing stock that they are now a better team, better quarterback, better GM, Savvier coach. Oh, by the way, their coach, Dan Quinn, they stole from the Cowboys,

and it did not appear to be great for Dallas. So, yeah, I thought this move, I mean, forget Philadelphia. They lapped the Cowboys years ago. But this, you start watching the commanders right now from stealing Cliff Kingsbury, who everybody, he wanted to go to Vegas and Chicago. Washington, he's more of a Texas West Coast, guy. Washington gets him. They draft Jaden Daniels. Remember a lot of people thought they were going to

draft Drake May. Nope. The Jaden Daniels move. They get an NBA-ish guy. Adam Peters, the GM, make him a football guy. Now they get Debo Samuel, which, yes, it was obvious. It would work. Oh, we gave up a fifth rounder. Didn't even have to give up Jonathan Allen, a good defensive lineman in the move, which that was rumored. Didn't have to. So the Silver Star in Dallas becoming a bit of a black Cole. That's what I feel like this morning. Does not take long in the NFL. Two or three missteps, overpay for a quarterback.

You go from a big brand to irrelevant. That's Dallas this morning. By the way, Jerry did not show up reasons unknown to the combine. They're giving away fourth round picks. You overpay DAC. That is a third or fourth round team. If Matt Stafford would have gone to the Giants,

I'd pick Dallas for last. Aaron Rogers reportedly still in line, potentially for the Giants. If that happens, I'd pick Dallas last. J. Mack, you were right on Luca and his relevance. You know what's really interesting? When J.J. Reddick got the job, everybody's like, well, yeah, he's got a little bit of a dukey ego. He's coaching the hell out of this team.

They are experienced, let me last night, it's like, okay, we need more Dalton Connect. I mean, we need more from other guys. You don't get Rui in the corner. You don't have Rui's side. You don't have the playmaking of Austin Reeves. LeBron only gave you a 17. You needed Luca to be more centralized focus of the offense. JJ Reddick is becoming a coaching star.

I think he's a coach of the year without question in the NBA. By the way, when you saw the Clippers start double-teaming Luca, instantly goes to the bench. Jolta Can I get in there, and he starts getting wide open threes hit five threes. That's as many as Kauai and James Hardin hit combined. I mean, Colin, this Lakers team, they're going to the finals. I've been saying this down for two weeks, people yelling at me laughing. Oh, making fun of the Lakers.

you watch this team. I mean, that 22-game sample size you posted about earlier, that's like a quarter of the season. They're playing amazing right now. How's OKC beating this team? Just tell me. And, you know, it's hard when you give up stars. I mean, Jimmy Butler leaves Miami with a great coach and they're rudderless.

To be able to get Luca going into his prime and still be a very good defensive team. And it's really true. The Clippers just want a star. The Lakers picked the right star. They had one with AD. I mean, you could have argued, I mean, why move AD? Because the Lakers are like, we think this star plays better than a star that already won a title with LeBron.

AD and LeBron did work. We think we can elevate another level of a Shaq Kobe combination, a Kobe Gasol. Like, we think we can be better with Luca, LeBron, than A.D. LeBron. D. LeBron was very good. Can you imagine when Lucas starts actually making three pointers like he was last night? Like he's probably at 80 to 90% coming back from the injury? Probably 80.

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I think we've had three. I think Michael was, Magic was, LeBron is. You can have one at a time. In my lifetime, there's been 50 great players. There's been three faces of the league. Jason Tatum's not a face of the league. So Friday night, they faced the Cavs, and Jason has 46 points. Oh, I am bombarded, call it.

46 points. And I said, oh, that's interesting. James Harden led the NBA in scoring three straight years. Was he face of the league? In the last week, 10 guys have scored 40 or more points, including Quentin Grimes. Is he a face of the league? Dominique Wilkins scored 61 times. 61 times Dominique Wilkins scored over 40 points.

He was a scoring and dunking machine. Was he face of the league? No. I'll say it again. face of the league is a formula. It is production and aura and personality and maybe your college career. But you know the most important thing with it? Are you great in the clutch?

Magic Johnson, NBA finals, centers hurt. He plays center goes 42 and 17. I mean, that's face of the league. You're good in the clutch. You don't have to be the scoring champ. You don't have to have the flashiest game. You've got to be good in the clutch. Remember that Olympic game this past?

Remember the Olympics in Paris? Remember Tatum gold medal game? He had two points. He did not play against Serbia in the game before. That's face of the league. Okay. Even Friday night against the Cavs. Friday night against the Cavs in the big Tatum game,

game was tied, 3.15 left. They needed buckets. They were at home. Tateham never scored again. Great first half, but in clutch time, there's a clutch time stat in the NBA. Clutch time. The league keeps track of it. He shoots 18% on three-pointers in clutch time this year.

That's abysmal. He shoots 27% on three-pointers in the fourth quarter. By the way, his free-throw percentage in clutch is the worst of any quarter, 66%. So he's a worst three-point. point shooter. He's a three-point shooter in the fourth and overtime, and in clutch. He's a worst free throw shooter then. But hey, he had

he had a great first half against the Cavs. It's not about that. It is a formula to be facing the league. You've got to want it, and he does want it, and he does have things that help. He went to Duke and he plays for the Celtics. That helps. That gives you it. You're not going to be face

of the league if you're playing probably for the Atlanta Hawks, and you went to college at SMU. We don't know who we are. It helped. That's why international players, we don't see them until they're like, you know, third year in the league. We don't pay attention to a lot of them. So it does help.

He went to Duke. He's a great kid. He wants to be it. He plays for the Celtics. And they got to the finals, and they won. And Jalen Brown was the MVP. How many times was Scotty Pippen and NBA in the finals when he played with Jordan? Okay.

It's nothing against him. I like it. I think there's an argument. He's a top five or six player in the NBA. I have always seen him closer to eighth than second or third, but I like him, and it's not hate. But if you're making the claim that somebody is the face of Hollywood, everybody got to know who you are when they walk into the theater.

That guy that won the Oscar last night, best actor, 90% of Americans don't know who he is. Tom Cruise walks in every room in America. You know who he is. That's a movie star. The guy that won last night is a really talented actor. So face of the league is the NBA's version of movie star. Eastern Conference finals last year. Finals last year.

Jalen Brown was the MVP of both. Brough, I don't care how many points he scored. Quentin Grimes dropped a 40 burger last week. Okay, 10 guys scored over 40. Dominic did it over 40, 61 times. James Harden lived the NBA in scoring three times. Tatum has many of the qualities necessary. He wants to be it.

He went to Duke. He's a great kid, excellent NBA player Celtics. But there's an aura thing and a clutch thing. You can't give me two in the Olympic gold medal game and be a DNP against Serbia and be facing a league. It doesn't work that way. All right. You can't do straight.

to video movies and be the face of Hollywood. Okay? I don't go to a theater anymore. You know who gets me to a theater? Two people. Christopher Nolan, the director and Tom Cruise the actor. That's it. Matt Damon, all consider.

I'm telling you, just not many get me there. So you can't be a DNP against Serbia. And a new rule on the show. If you want to be a face of the league, there can never be a DNP in a big game. unless you have like a broken kneecap. And even then I want you to wobble out there like Willis Reed or MJ Fluigate. Yeah.

DnP, coach's decision, not acceptable. And I like him. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. What? What, what?

Are you upset with the Quentin Grimes slander? I need to apologize to the audience for muttering some F-poms under my breath during that rant. I mean, geez, Colin, what? 25 minutes into a Monday show and you're going off on tape. I'm upset. I am upset. Sometimes honesty hurts a little.

Okay. All right, let's go to the Cowboys. Micah Parsons. There's discussions about a new deal in Dallas. Parsons is headed in the last season of his five-year contract. Scheduled to make 24-mill next season. A lot of people are assuming Parsons is going to demand, not ask for, demand more than Nick Post's 34-mills.

which will make him the NFL's highest paid pass rusher. Colin, can they possibly have the highest paid pass rusher and highest paid quarterback and even content for a playoff? No, no. Again, this is, no. Again, congratulations. I'll, again, Micah Parsons, Jason Tatum, absolutely great players. But they're not the people I'm relying on in the biggest games.

C.D. Lamb is going to have to carry in big games because that's what the league is now. Kansas City's great defense couldn't stop Philadelphia. Nobody can stop anybody at the end of the year. So again, there's a handful of pass rushers. Max Crosby, I would absolutely pay. Miles Garrett, I would absolutely pay. Pry J. Watt.

Micah's the next level. Probably Bosa and San Francisco. And I like poker bosa. But in big games, let's be honest, playoff games, he was not a game record. He just was not a difference maker in a couple of big playoff games. Here we go with the chart of the highest payoff games. non-quarterbacks in the league. I can't put them in that class.

I can't. I like Micah Parsons a lot. So why? I just don't know that this Dallas model is sustainable, what they're doing. After paying DAC and now Micah, and now you're basically tapped out. What are they going to do in free agency? What did Jerry Jones say last year? We're all in, and then they did nothing?

I don't think they're going to have an opportunity to ante up in free agency, and they need a lot of guys. So much of this lead. So much of professional sports. but especially the NFL, because players have a more impact in the NBA. So much of the NFL is not signing a contract. It's knowing when to walk away from a good player, but he's not game-changing. Micah is a very good player, but he is not Miles Garrett. He's not Vaughn Miller in his prime.

He is not Max Crosby. So this league isn't about, I mean, everybody that should get paid gets paid. you know, prime example is the Niners, we got enough weapons here. They figured out it's time to walk with Debo. And I like Debo and you like him. But Miami, Jimmy Butler, and I'll get to this. But Miami's like, we like Jimmy Butler.

But for us now, it doesn't make sense. And we'll have to rebuild it. And I just think Micah, to me, is if you're going to make him highest paid pass rush, and DAC is now a $90 million cap hit, you can't have two guys that are top. of the league in their contract. You cannot do it. Well, the only different, Debo a little older, Jimmy Butler a little older. Micah Parsons is just entering his prime. He's turning 26 here in May. I don't know what that signals to the fan base in the locker room if you get off of the Michael Parsons.

Who cares? You got to have, what do you mean who cares? You know what it signals? You want an empty Jerry dome? No, Cowboys will always get, cowboys are like Ohio State football and Duke basketball. They'll sell tickets. If not, the secondary market, they'll sell tickets. People will go to watch them around the country if the tickets are cheap. The question is this.

In a weak draft, what do you get for Micah? And the answer is a first-round pay. You have got to figure out very quickly because of what you're paying DAC. You've got to figure out a way to get cheaper labor. Like I say, you can pay Mahomes, but you have to move off Tyreek Hill. Like you have to make very tough decisions. You'll keep Chris Jones. You'll keep Travis Kelsey.

And you don't have to pay tight ends. what you have to be star receivers. So once you pay the quarterback, these are hard, tough decisions that your fan base may not like. Not easy. Next up is the franchise tag deadline is 4 p.m. tomorrow, 4 p.m. Eastern Tuesday. And reports out of Minnesota are saying the Vikings are unlikely to use the franchise tag on Sam Darnold. That should surprise nobody. If they don't tag him, he would be a highly sought-after free agent. The tag would mean Darnel makes 41 mil if they cannot find a trade partner that would eat two-thirds of Minnesota's projected salary caps face, which is around $61 million.

I think the Vikings are hoping that Darnal gets a good deal somewhere else. He will. I do not see him returning. Unless McCarthy's banged up and we don't know. What was it a knee? Well, I mean, you have two teams now. Unless the Raiders, Shadur-Sanders, I don't, you know, people can say what they want about Shadur-Sanders. I have a hard time believing he's going to be available to the Raiders or the Jets.

No. I just, I have a hard, I don't know what you did in your mock draft. Where'd you have them going? We'll talk about that in like three, two minutes. Okay, so I just think Sam Darnold's going to have a market, and the market is probably the Las Vegas Raiders. That's what it feels like. I think Minnesota's did all they can. I think Minnesota, I think the Vikings essentially did Sam Darnal a favor. That they know they're not bringing him back, but they're doing him a solid. What the message they're sending to the league is, Kevin O'Connell, who's a brilliant offensive coach, is having a hard, time figuring out if he can let Sam Darnold go. I think Kevin's already made a decision.

But I think they're doing a solid for Sam Darnold because Sam was so much better than they thought he was going to be. And he got them, you know, playoffs. And they love them. And they love, he's a great kid. So I think Minnesota, their GM and their head coach, really respected, are doing a solid to Sam Darnold. We love this guy and we don't know what in the hell to do. They've already made their decisions. And this will elevate Darnold. from 40 million to maybe 48 to 50 million. I keep thinking the New York Giants could be in play, but remember, Daniel Jones ended up in Minnesota. Do you think Darnold talked to Daniel Jones?

Hey, what's life like with that Giants franchise? And Daniel Jones, who kind of got shafted this season, although he's stunk, probably was letting Sam Darnal know it's a dysfunctional mess. Don't go there. Now, if you say 45 million, I'm sure he's going to go. But do you see the Giants as a landing spot for Darry? Well, again, Las Vegas, no state tax. New York City.

The bottom line is I'd take $5 million less a year and go to the Raiders with Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, Brock Bowers. I would go to the Raiders over the Giants. And by the way, playing indoors. He's played outdoors in crappy weather. Tougher division, obviously, I don't think. You know what? As Pete Carroll's telling his staff, you got to play those guys anywhere in the EFC.

And it's not like Eagles in Washington who look like a beast now. Those aren't. Those are not easy. Final story, Colin is a mock draft. Are you ready? Mock draft 3.0. Cam Ward 1, Shadour 2. I had Travis Hunter going four to the Patriots.

How about my guy, Tyler Warren, a tight end from Penn State to the Jets? Oh, I would love that. By the way, Jets are going to be moving off Devante Adams. We'll get to that later. Your guy, T. Mack, 8 to the Panthers. And interestingly, offensive linemen had a pretty amazing weekend at the Combine. I don't know how close to you track. Will Campbell came in short arms.

Yeah, they think he's... But everything else looks really good for Will Cater. I got to tell you, I don't watch as much combine as I used to, but I still watch it. My takeaway is a couple of the, one of the Texas receivers had a... Golden, yep, he's down there at 28 to Baltimore. Yeah, I thought Golden, he is a first round pick now. 4-940. Yeah, and I also think Will Howard had a bad weekend.

Oh. I don't know if we're going to put him on blast and show the video, but I mean, he missed like every single down show. Yeah, yeah. And he's not throwing to superstar receivers anymore, but he did not look like. a potential quarterback. I had Ashton Genti going 22 and basically online, you know, the mock draft goes up. More people

were outraged to Genti going 22 than any other pick in the first round. They think he's a top 10 lock. Okay, time out. Folks. Folks. It is the deepest running back draft in a decade. There are guys that I watched and I'd given the USC kid, Woody

Marks, is the best USC back since Reggie Bush and people love him. I've talked to two GMs who love him. He's like 24, I took, yeah. They have him going late third, and he's 90% of those first round backs. Like, this is not a year that you have to reach at

running back. And I like Gentie. Small, and I think he'll be a productive NFL running back. I'm not denying that. But if you need a running back, this is a draft, you could get one in the second, listen, that North Carolina kid? Hampton, I had him at

30 going to the eagle. Okay, I'm not, I saw that. That's right. I saw that. I'm not so sure. He's not the better player. I mean, he's young. He's super tough. I mean, that kid runs, you know, some of these running backs. You're right. This is a monster year for backs. And we saw a resurgence in the NFL coming back. I think teams are going to be drafted them. Like you said, probably six in the top of the round. So I talked to a Super Bowl winning general manager this weekend. Remember we had we talked? Did you say hi to Howie Roseman for me? No, it wasn't Howie. A very respected guy. And I asked him a few questions. I asked him about T-MAC, that receiver from Arizona, who people are cooling on. He said, he's very good. So just keep your eye on the receiver from Arizona. Anytime you hear people cooling on somebody, yeah, why would you put that out there? So people aren't on the scent.

That kid is immensely talented. Listen, I think it's close between him and Travis Hunter in terms of wide receiver skill. Watch some T-Mack, dude. Travis Hunter, I know, is super talented, but this kid T-Mack is a monster. All right. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News.

Okay, so I saw a discussion, and I heard a comment this weekend. So Travis Hunter is a terrific player. He's going to play wide receiver and corner in the NFL. And he said he thinks playing both ways in the NFL is much harder than what Shohei Otani is doing in Major League Baseball. And I've got some thoughts on that coming. up next. Colin right, calling wrong. More importantly, Jimmy Johnson. Top of next hour. Live in LA. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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No, that's interesting. I may go to that one. So Travis Hunter's a really good player. He plays for Colorado. He's going to get drafted top 10 somewhere. He plays wide receiver, and he plays cornerback, the position that guards wide receiver. And he said this weekend, that is harder than doing what Shohei Otani is doing, which is pitching in baseball and hitting in baseball. So let's start with this.

First of all, Shoahe Otani isn't just pitching in baseball. he was the starting pitcher for the American League in an all-star game. What Shohei Otani is doing, if it was football, is playing quarterback and Mike linebacker. Pitching in baseball isn't just splitting out wide. Throw me the ball. You can't get batters out in Major League Baseball because you have good cardio. Pitching is a craft. It is developed over a decade.

Multiple pitching coaches. It's like golf. You've got a bunch of clubs in your bag, and if you have any weakness, you can't pitch at the Major League level, and you can't play on the tour. Driver, five wood, putter, all have to be elite, or you're not a tour player. In Major League Baseball, velocity, control, off speed, closing pitch, everything matters. A cornerback in football, as they say, is a wide receiver that can't catch. and a cornerback and a wide receiver share a lot of the same skills. Twitchiness, good hips, elite speed.

Now, again, not many people are great at it, but they share a lot of qualities. Pitcher in Major League Baseball and hitter in Major League Baseball don't. Go ask Tim Tebow about baseball. Go ask MJ about baseball. Patrick Mulhomes had one appearance as a college baseball. baseball starter. He got run. He got run. By the way, Dion Sanders was considered a rare historic two-way player. He hit 260 in the Bigs. That's what he hit. Two-60. So don't kid yourself on show. What Shohay-O-Dhani is doing is like Babe Ruth on HGH. It's a totally different ballgame. There are certain things, you know, I've said this before. There are certain things in sports that are just way harder than people think. Every guy with a four handicap or less probably thinks, you know what, I'm a good weekend away from making the tour.

No, you're not. No, you're not. If you don't, if you go listen to Phil Mickelson talk about golf. If you don't have every single club in your bag down, how do you play it in rain? High altitude. Late afternoon. You have to be an expert at every club. In Major League Baseball, you've got to have everything dialed in.

to be a great major league baseball pitcher. I'm not saying Travis couldn't be a very good receiver and a very good corner. I'm not saying that. But corner and wide receiver share many of the same skills. That is just a disrespect for how hard baseball is. I mean, for most of my life, they said the hardest thing to do in sports was at a baseball. It may be harder now. Go look at the MLB batting stats because now every pitcher feels like they're 6-7 and throws 98.

look at how few guys in major league baseball hit 310 or over i mean it is like i don't have it in front of me look at any major league baseball teams these are great players team averages are under 265 i think it's a majority of the teams so that's not close what show hey is doing is historic what travis could do potentially is really cool but it's easier um okay so i i i oh, by the way, Mahomes was a reliever in college, not a starter. He still wasn't any good. So this weekend,

I think the combine is kind of important, but Sean McVeigh doesn't go, so it can't be that important. It's not to be all-end-all. But if you're, you can pop and absolutely go from a second rounder to a first rounder.

And you can also have a really, really bad combine and go from maybe fourth-rounder to six-rounder. That was Will Howard this weekend, the quarterback for Ohio State. He really struggled. Now, I think Will Howard, I said before the combine, feels like a fifth-rounder. He may be a six-rounder. But here's the thing that jumps out to me. Joe Burrow is one of the only examples of a college quarterback that played with a stack roster

and then went to the NFL and year after year after year after year, no doubt is a top 10 quarterback, top three. One of the reasons I like Shadoor Sanders, because he got the crap beat out of McAllerado. No run game, awful offensive line, always trailing, basically had to create his own offense. Will Howard at Ohio State. Think about this. Completed 61% of his throws at Kansas State. He goes to Ohio State a much better conference and complete 73%.

Did he get that much better in the year? No, it's called Chip Kelly. It's called two NFL running backs. I mean, Shadoor Sanders had no run game. Will Howard had two NFL running backs. Go look at the receivers, Ohio State head. Jeremiah Smith would be number one pick if he was in this draft. Number one pick.

Okay. Emeka, Ibuka, the receiver would be the number one receiver on NFL teams. He was the second best receiver for Ohio State. And this is not a knock on Will. Howard. I thought he was a, I don't see him as a franchise quarterback. I think he's a really good backup. Again, moves pretty well, big kid, did not have a good day. But this is why I've said this before, that there's a reason that Miami of Ohio has a better all-time quarterback historically than anybody that played at like Ohio State or Alabama or USC.

is that if your college experience, I mean, I was looking this morning, Will Howard, if you look at sacks, Will Howard was sacked 13 times this year at Ohio State. Shadoor Sanders was sacked 42 times. He was under duress on every single snap. That's what happens when you get drafted in the NFL in the top 10. you end up on bad teams with battle lines, often bad position coaches. So Will Howard was flying private at Ohio State. Will Howard was flying private at Ohio State.

Shadour Sanders was in row 42 on that airline that's bright yellow. And you know my theories on airlines. I want red, white and blue as colors. I don't even like gray. That signifies age. And I will not fly airlines that are bright yellow. So Shadour Sanders was running for his life, no run game, often trailing, had to create his entire offense, and that doesn't mean Will Howard's not talented. But Joe Burrow is one of the only guys that went from a stack college roster, and then you look five or six years later, and you're like, oh God, this guy is an all-time player.

It's hard to do. It's really hard to do. And Joe Burrow had to transfer. So he had some turbulence in his career. And here's the other thing. Will Howard and Chador Sanders. I found this hard to believe, but the guys gave it to me. Both had the same number of interceptions.

Think about that. Shadur Sanders has no run game, and his running for his life, had 10 picks. Will Howard had the best receiving core in the country. Chip Kelly. Ryan Day is a heck of a coach. You're looking at the numbers. Same number of picks. And by the way, Shadur had more touchdown.

throws. I mean, look at those numbers. So I'm not anti, again, this goes back to, I'm not anti Jason Tatum. I am not, I am not anti Will Howard, but the numbers don't lie. When you have a protected college environment and as a quarterback, history says, I mean, don't you think it should be linear, right? You're a five-star high school quarterback. You go to USC, Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, you have the great players, and then you're like a number one pick and you're a star. It's not the way it works. It is not the way it works. Drew Brees went to Purdue, right? Start looking at it. Big Ben, Miami of Ohio, Jared Goff Cal, Aaron Rogers, Cal, a lot of these stars. Andrew Luck went to Stanford. A lot of these star quarterbacks got the

you-know-what beat out of them in college. That prepares you for the NFL, not sack ten times, comfortable pocket. I mean, there were two or three games where Will Howard was uncomfortable. Penn State, he wasn't great. Michigan, he was bad. Texas, but again, Ohio State had the better team. Hey, some breaking news from the Super Bowl champs, if you're interested, just a small piece. All right. The Eagles are releasing Darius Big Play Slay, 34 years old. They've got a great secondary, a lot of young guys.

Predictable. That's not a bad pickup, though. Sleys still got a little left in the tank. He's got a year left. He's good. Yeah, they have drafted so well that they're drafting, forced them to make that move. They have drafted that well in Philadelphia. Jimmy Johnson next.

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