The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Patriots Dynasty collapse

Episode Date: February 23, 2024

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You ain't lying, bro. Yeah. And you're right, Kew. You know, you are going to certainly get the professional version of me. I can't speak for all of you. Yeah, not me. You're going to get. I said it yesterday, look, we get one shot at this.

time slot this show and we're renting it so nothing parties like a rental man I mean let's tear this motherfucker down

you guys have you guys have ridded a car before you know how it goes yeah a little good time there sometimes yeah that didn't go well

last time I rented a car so unfortunate I had a curb the last time I rented a car you just do what Brady does he had a curb keep driving for seven miles I mean I hit a curb

and then I scuffed up the rim but you know I got away with it It was a nice big old scuff too. You never could let me live that down. He did. He'd be driving. I was, I was going to miss my flight.

It was my own car and I had a flat, but I rode that thing all the way into the Miami airport and parked that thing to get in there on my flight on time. I mean, that's being a pro. Yeah. Yeah. Well, who wasn't a pro was the guy who came out to fix my tire. When he came out to fix it, he put it on backwards. And at first when I was watching to do it up.

Yes, exactly. He literally put it on. backwards. I was watching him. I'm like, sir, I don't think that's right. He's like, son, I'm doing this for 30 years. I was like, sonned me. He's like, son, I've been doing this for 30 years. And I was like, all right, I'm not going to, I'm not going to question anything here. Sir, are you a professional tire installer? I don't think so. So you need to take a step back and let me do this tire, sir. I'll tell you what, they weren't for tire rack. I know that. If they were, I wasn't going to have any issues. Yeah. I think got dicey. Well, listen, apparently things have gotten dicey with the New England Patriots because if you guys aren't, I mean, if you're not fans of dusting off a story that's several years old, pull it out.

We have got just the story for you. He was like, Seth Wickersham. He was like back in 2013. He was like, oh, it's over. It's over. You know, it's almost like we're looking around. Football ended. And you're just like, all right, what else we got in the closet here?

And then we just start opening up something. It's like, oh, all kinds of stuff. come out of there. Hey, it's why the Patriots dynasty fell apart from 2017, 2018. Right in front of R. Kelly. All right, this will work. Let's go ahead and pull this one out

and see what we're working with here. Oh, no. Now, so the... Close that closet. So there is this documentary coming out because why doesn't every franchise just do a last dance sort of spiel?

You know, because that worked during the pandemic. So yeah, we'll go ahead and we'll do one of these again. But the dynasty, the New England Patriots, is coming out. And one of the things that has been brought up is that story from a long time ago, which resulted in Nick Foles and the Eagles winning a championship and all that stuff. But why the hell wasn't Malcolm Butler playing in that game as the Patriots defense completely melted down and couldn't save Tom Brady threw for over 500 yards in that game.

But apparently there is some speculation out there. One of the producers was doing an interview recently. And he just said that maybe that was the tipping point, that that could have been the beginning of the end and the unraveling of the Patriots dynasty. The timeline doesn't appear to match up based on some things that happened after that Super Bowl. But nonetheless, here we are still trying to figure out

what the hell happened with Malcolm Butler and some people speculating like this producer that maybe some people in this Patriots dynasty documentary series that's coming out, that that was sort of where things started to head towards a bad road between Belichick and the New England Patriots. And just refresh people's memories, okay? Malcolm Butler, obviously the player who became most famous for back in 2015 picking off Russell Wilson at the goal line targeting Ricardo Lockett to help the Patriots win that Super Bowl. started both of the games prior to the matchup versus the Eagles.

It ended up in that particular game. I think he only played one special team snap, but didn't play at all. So that was what was a bit confusing. And the article essentially talks about the team almost beginning to fracture at that point in time, even though the following year again they did win the Super Bowl. So I'm not sure how much to read into it. I think it's interesting that we still want to keep bringing this up. You know this is peak NFL offseason

when someone has to rehash or recant again the New England Patriots. But it does bring to light the fact that they could have won another Super Bowl. Maybe if Malcolm Butler plays, he is the difference in that game. He obviously was the difference in them winning and losing versus Seattle if it comes down to one play.

So maybe it would have limited Nick Foles ability who threw it all over the yard. Big old Nick Foles. Yeah, definitely. That's a great call. I don't know. I don't know. I don't buy into it. I think it's all for show. I think it's all for entertainment. You know, the whole, the four, the four pete of not repeating with the bills that just came out. I mean, I do think that there is a strong trend here of these types of documentaries, a docu-series, whatever you want to make it, coming out. I mean, I get it. It's one of the most successful, you know, sports, sports,

uh, dynasties that have ever, has ever taken place. So if, if you're looking at it, I think there's going to probably be way more value to the stories being told than what Malcolm Butler's participation or lack thereof, um,

was in, in the, in the grand scheme of this whole Patriots dynasty. I'm going to defend Bill Belichick. Oh, nobody wants to defend him. All right. They might be defending him in this show, though.

You don't know. Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. And by the way, if you're wondering, well, this is the story is from 2017, 2018, why are we talking about it? I don't know. Why you tell LeBron to play last night? We'll have something to talk about in the NBA. Oh, great.

It's not our fault. Shot fire. Bang, bang. Hey, listen, we're just going with what we got here. Okay. But I'm going to defend Belichick because he's never one time. Like, I find it hard to believe that he would just not play about Malcolm Butler for the majority of that game without there being a real reason as to why. it happened. And whether we know the reason why it happened or not, who knows, we'll have to wait

to see when this comes out. But never one time did he throw Malcolm Butler under the bus. Never one time has he revealed any of the reasons why. And Malcolm Butler got a big time contract that offseason with Tennessee. And I always look back at that and go, he probably could have maybe said some things that would have painted Malcolm Butler in a bad light, But instead, he's sort of worn it for questionable decision. This is why the organization and the dynasty may have fallen apart of whatever these storylines are. And never one time did he air his guy out. Let's ask this question.

Did he sign him back, by the way, the end of his career? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, 2022 he signed Malcolm Barber back. Let me ask you guys this. Who is the catalyst of doing this docu series? Who, like, is it the New England Patriots? Is it Tom Brady? is it who who's behind it

I don't know see that that plays a major part because if you're thinking about like if you look at how the storyline played out for Last Dance that's that derived from Michael Jordan right the narrative comes from you mean Scotty Pippen didn't have a producer's credit card I mean he was in there

he got interviewed I mean he was a part of it you know what I mean they left out the sequel to you know apparently they got they broke up so it's not going to be. Listen,

their families are close. The sequel is not going to end, you know, with a happy ending of, you know, the Pippin family

and the Jordan family uniting together. But I would be curious to know who, who made this possible and who drove it from behind the scenes because ultimately that

always dictates how the storyline and how the narrative is going to play out. Is it going to play out in favor of one thing or another? Is it going to be totally even and balanced on how the storytelling of it comes across. That's what I would be curious.

Is it skewed towards the owner? Is it skewed towards the head coach? Is it both? Is it skewed towards Tom Brady? You know, what are the other players? What's the significance of the value of the other players? I mean, you had an Aaron Hernandez during this time period. You had a Gronkowski.

You know, you had the receivers, the Amandolas and the Edelmans and stuff. I mean. Did you say Almondola? Amindola. You just turned Danny Amindola. Yeah, I did. It's a new silk flavor. Yeah, it's a new silk.

Shots out the silk. Mr. Amindola. Amindola. But, you know, I would be curious to know going into it. Has he? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a tremendous.

Good for him. Yeah. And I know exactly where you're coming from. And that's a storyline that doesn't need any adjusting, I'm sure. Go ahead and. But, I mean, I think that that to me, That's got to be a major part of this, right? Because somebody could be an apologist for this.

You know, somebody could be a staunch critic. And, you know, I'd like to know where that energy is coming from when I watch this. Because I am going to watch it. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's going to be fun to see all the behind-the-scenes stuff. I just, I look at it and I go, like, they won how many Super Bowls? A lot. They could have won more.

It's like, okay, well, they also could have lost more. Like, you know, like if Seattle, like if Russell Wilson doesn't turn into a turnover machine at the goal line. Or if they just give it to Marshawn Lynch. Yeah. I mean, let's be clear. Then, you know, there's a loss there. You could go back to all of these close wins that they had in Super Bowls. But I just, I wonder if people are.

I mean, Atlanta was throttling them. Oh, yeah. I can't remember. I can remember where I was at, man. And I just know there was a lot of ones going up in the air and stuff like that. and people lost interest, so wings started coming out. I'll say, are you in Atlanta for that game? No, I wasn't.

Where there were a lot of ones going up in there. There was lemon pepper wings, some chicken, some parmesan, well, garlic palm, you know, wings, all kinds of. People was, it was rain in the forecast. Sounds like cahoots, for those of you in Columbus, Ohio. There's storms. What? The stormy weather.

Cahooch shots out the cahoots. Yeah. Yep. I'm sure somebody was in cahoots. I've been told they've got a great lunch buffet. There you go. Well, this one was a great Super Bowl buffet. I'll tell you that. By the way, that I'll tell you the difference between California and Ohio.

In Ohio, Cahoots is one place. California, Cahoots is like a feed store. Okay, so you know, like animal fees. Some hoots and oats. Do you know what the biggest difference is? What? Drive-through beer and wine. Dang.

You drive through and you want to pick it up. Didn't, who's the guy, the Ohio? state wide receiver. Didn't he own one of those? I hope. I have no idea. It sounds like a great business, doesn't it? Why am I blanket on the guy? I think he played in Cleveland maybe. He coached in Cleveland for a little bit. I don't know. Is that going to make this story any better? Well, it's going to be better than talking about this. I've got to figure this out.

There's an Ohio Statewide receiver. Webster Slaughter. No, not him. George E. Not Juravish. Not Juribish. Not Juror Edwards. Okay. You're on the right lane. Kevin Casper. You're in the right lane. You're in the right lane. So you're in the white. Yeah, you're in the right lane of Joe Jervicious.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Heartline. Yeah, it might have been Brian Hartline. If you look that up, I'm almost positive, Brian Hartline. Hollywood? He had gas stations. He didn't have the drive-thru.

Oh, he didn't have drive-thru. Oh, he didn't have drive-thru? Oh, no, just the gas. A lot of Chiefscape. But drive-thru in the back and park in the front. And is that why you're all in cahoots? Here's the thing that I'd ask you is, is that like a little bit, it's like daring you to do something stupid.

Oh, yeah. It's like putting those things way too close together. I would say the brilliance of that name is you pull up and it's a draft through, but you look at your homie and you'd be like, all right, you want to go in? Well, I'll go in. You want to go in? Well, I'll go. Are we an agreement that we're going to go in and that we're not going to talk about this any further?

I'm good. You good? We're shaking hands. We're in cahoots. Borg. Park the car? Go do what you need to do? Brady, you think the devil of police department owns one of those?

I dare you guys. I dare you guys to drive out with a couple of 30 racks. It feels like entrapment. Dang. Probably a better question for the meat wagon. What a setup. Which now makes his name more relevant as well,

of course. That's right. There is that. Well, listen. Be a cahoots with the meat wagon. It goes to work that one out. Sign me up for that. I would sign up with that.

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Well, listen, somebody's trying to make something better in the world of football, and that's the SEC. All right. You know, and God bless the SEC. You know, at least they're coming up with ideas, you know, because they're trying to come up with an earlier national signing day. All right. This has been a little bit of an issue as, you know, players coming and going and a lot of people moving around and, you know, players out there who are on their, like, fourth or fifth team, you know, that are just trying to figure this whole thing out. Well, apparently Greg Sankey of the SEC, the commissioner, once an earlier national signing day. And you know what?

I mean, apparently there's some people on this show or not fans of this early national signing day proposal by the SEC. Well, let's just review the proposal. And for all those out there who are not college football fans, let me just kind of break it down to you. So what really came to a head this offseason was everything that the student athlete, the coaches, the universities, whether it's the athlete, whether it's the athletic director's president, whoever you're talking about, what they all have to endure once the month of December hits.

So as of right now, you have an early signing period in the middle of the month of December. During December, you also have bowl season. You have teams still playing for a national championship, which used to be a 14th-playoff. Now next year is going to be a 12-team playoff. You have teams earlier in the month

are obviously playing for conference championships, right, the chance to go play for a national championship. And then meanwhile, you've got the transfer portal because that becomes open as well. So not only are you trying to shuffle your roster with high school kids, college kids, evaluating your roster, other kids who potentially could be coming to your roster, you're dealing with all of this, mind you, potential your own job security and your coaches on your staff as well. So if you look at the migration of college coaches, not just head coaches, but like coordinators

all this, who are migrating towards the NFL, it's because it's a mess. It is a mess. And what Greg Sanky and the SEC has tried to come up with as a solution to this is moving up the early signing period. So instead of the middle of December they'd have in the first week of December, it'd be right before the conference championship games. Which, look, I understand it's great to be able to put to bed on a Wednesday, right?

When you've got your conference championship on a Friday or Saturday, like, hey, we finally got this group of guys. we don't have to worry about it anymore. Like, Levor, back when you and I were coming out of high school, you could enroll early. There was nothing wrong with that. Yeah. Right? Like you graduate your fall of your senior year in high school, and you go and enroll at Penn State for you.

It would have been Notre Dame for me, and you could have moved on that direction. And so I never really have understood the need for the early signing period outside of this. College coaches will tell you that they're worried about their players getting poached. and like during the course of bull season and after the season you know guys who are committed potentially getting flipped because and how they end up enrolling for that spring semester so that was where the invention of the early signing period of the idea came about because coaches were concerned about this so now you get them signed up

they've got their letter of intent now they have to come to you right you could put it to bed and so in essence they want this date to be moved up in December which I don't think solves anything like you're still trying to prepare for a conference championship, a chance to go play for a national championship. And so you might be able to put that portion of the bed. You still have the transfer portal. You still have all these other things in the college football calendar. To me, the elephant in the room is the transfer portal.

And college football has two windows for it, which to me are completely unnecessary. Like right now, if there's a coaching change, the window opens up for you to go leave. And so if you're concerned about the ability for a player, you know, moving on after their coach decides to either if he's gotten fired or if he decides to go somewhere else, that opportunity is still presented to those players. That's not a problem for them. Now it's a problem for that school trying to supplement the roster because if it's outside the transfer portal window at that time of the year,

talking about December and January, like, that's a problem then once the window closes, you lose a bunch of guys, you can't supplement it until the next window or until that recruiting class comes in for high school. So that presents issues. But my whole, the solution to all of this is getting it down to, to one transfer portal window to me in May. Make it 30 days, put it in May, and you make these young people,

whether they're a transfer, all right, from college somewhere else or a high school student commit to at least a year. And if you have a coaching change, right, they're going to have the opportunity to open it up to go somewhere else if they want. Otherwise, they can wait until going to the spring with a new coach at that school they're at

to see how it goes. And I know there are going to be some coaches who are against it because they want to have that kid for the spring. They want to see them develop and all that. So they would have the opportunity to potentially shape their roster or flip their roster. But that's the issue right now with tampering, with

inducement, with all of that, because you have all these moving parts once December hits because of the early signing period, because of the transfer portal, because of universities have to make decisions on who their head coach is going to be, because they've got to be able to recruit and they've got to be able to supplement their

roster coming for that next year. I just, I think that's the elephant in the room that we don't want to talk about changing, but it's the thing that needs change the most. You know, there are a lot of, there's a large segment of families that want to have that spring as well, because they're so committed to the idea of the athlete themselves and their family wanting to play early. And I think that that has, that whole culture has created, you know, what would present a problem and what's being discussed right now as well, because if you do have a coaching change. If you have one of those things that take place and you're trying to,

you know, go to a different school or even if it's like you're early enrollee and the coach leaves and you, like, I guess that's, do you have to hit the portal if you're in early enrollee? I guess at that point you got to use the portal before you even get started. Is that how that will work, Q? Explain it one more time to me? If I'm an early enrollee, like right now, my son is is on track to be an early enrollee next year. Okay. If he goes to a school and that coach gets fired or leaves, does he have to use the transfer portal?

Is he like now a portal kid or is it still considered to be a high school type of deal where you could just change the school that you're going to and you go enroll in a different school? It would have to be a transfer portal, right? Well, yeah, it'd have to be a portal. my guess is though it's highly unlikely for someone in your son's position it would have to be a coach basically deciding to retire right by the time he would be an early enrollee so he'd sign his letter of intent that decision on who the head coach would be would already be made i mean but think about how many changes took place between Alabama Washington that was a retiring well well chip Kelly didn't retire chip Kelly rolled out he brought out but but again the portal opens up for those players that's so that's why I'm asking so So the portal open up for an early enrollee player?

It opens up for any player on that roster? On that roster. Yeah. I just think it gets complicated for those who are looking to get a hit. Because once you've, what's something like that? Which, I mean, what's the likelihood of that happening? I mean, there can be too much. Yeah, there can't be too much frequency in that.

But just for the sake of the conversation, what if you found yourself in a scenario where something that you used to get ahead has now been kind of disqualified because of the timing of it all. Like I feel like if there is and you can explain it to me because maybe I don't understand it well enough, but

if there is a transfer portal if the portal is made to be in May and only in May that you lose a lot like there's a lot of time from what January? Is it January to May? Like that's a lot of time.

Yeah. Well I mean you're in school. So hopefully you're still working on trying to get your degree, which still should be a component of this. But I think the other thing is, I think the other thing is, again, in the scenario you're talking about, if you have a coaching change after that, let's just say after the current window closes, it still opens back up.

If you got rid of the first window and you only had that window in May, you still would open it up for if there's a coaching change. Yeah. Yeah. I just think the problem that people will run into is that the reason why kids enroll early is because they know if they get a spring, a spring

football. That doesn't stop them from enrolling early. That of what I'm saying stops them from enrolling early. The early signing period and the transfer portal are two separate conversations. Okay. All right. I'm just trying to be clear on it myself. So the early signing period, like if you have a son who's, so the

signing period itself, we're talking about for high school prospects. So it's in the middle of December. They're talking about moving it up and like that's going to solve anything for some of the issues that we're saying. I mean, it only puts to bed your high school recruiting class for the early signing period earlier in December. You still have a transfer portal window

to worry about. You still have bowl games, National Championship to worry about. You still have coaching staff changes to worry about. All that stuff still opt out if he wanted to if there was like a coaching change, right? Because this is still kind of I'm understanding correctly is presented in order to try to, like

you said, lock the kid in. Like this kid is going to this school. You signed a contract. The proposal isn't so much thinking about the kid because it doesn't change really anything for the kids. It's only moving it up the period of time for a week for the kid to sign. It's more for

the coaches. So coaches don't have to try to juggle all of these things all at once. And that's the part of the issue with this is a lot of the things that have not changed or have stayed the same in college football for a long time has been in large part because the coaches

haven't pushed for change. Or the change they've pushed for, they've kept some things the same and they've kept other things. For example, coach the quarterback, why could anyone explain to me why we don't have that radio headsets in the helmet for not only the offensive defense in college football? Because the poster boards

that they draw are fun. And the shower. And the shower. The truth is a lot of the coaches get an advantage from stealing signs. And that's like a little secret, like a lot of people don't want to address and talk about. There's coaches who have made their career on

being able to steal signs, being able to in-game be able to make adjustments and stuff off of that. And if you implement a coach the quarterback system, it takes away elements of that, right? It makes your job a lot harder. So there's a lot of things that have stayed the same for a reason because, yeah, everyone's going to advocate for, oh, yeah, more advanced, more technology,

it prepares the players for the NFL, those other things that are like, wait a second, it's going to hurt my job security. So I might say something publicly, but behind closed doors, I'm not voting for it that way. There's a lot of that goes on. You guys ever find yourself, because I'll think about this. I'm glad social media wasn't around when I was in high school. I'll think of it.

Like, you know, I just, it just feels like a world that could have gotten a lot of people, myself included, probably in trouble back then. Like, there's a lot of, a lot of pitfalls and things like that. Do you guys ever see the transfer portal crap and all the stuff going on in college football and go? I'm so glad none of this was around or a problem when I was back in high school going into college. It seems much simpler. That's for certain. technology provides a lot of opportunity,

but it can also provide a lot of confusion and a lot of shortcomings and downfall. I mean from like this, you know, like all the transfer, because you guys have both said, like I know, LaVar, you had said that you would thought early on. I thought about transfer. But like Brady went through coaching changes. Yeah. Like he went like the guy who recruit like Ty Willingham recruit. And like I just, I don't, it feels like there's just so much more factored in now.

than just commitment, loyalty to the school, that's where I'm going, and that's my dedication. Well, I mean, it comes down to the money, though, right? I mean, at the end of the day, it now starts to come down to, when you're talking about the caliber of player that you're speaking on, it comes down to the dollars and cents of it. And we just heard Manzell talking about the bag man and all that stuff. Well, imagine what the bagman represents now in the NIL era. Yeah, it's EA giving you six. hundred dollars in a free game which is bogus man that's i mean i don't want to start jumping out

there and saying you know the the e-word um and not for excellent or for good if y'all know that i listened to our show um but but more so to gear towards exploitation of of athletes yeah right i love that um i think that's a i think it's a great shirt it's great um i just i i just think that where we're at now the issues that are going to arise are going to be based off of which the whole social media aspect of it plays a major role in this is that the value of these these young athletes and prospects are now being wrapped into a package deal of what are they as an influencer you know what are their numbers like what is there what are they doing in social media so now it went from being what is your conduct on social media to can i leverage

this athlete to increase our bottom line and our reach and our exposure to our product and to our brand. What's your 40 time? But before that, how many IG followers are? There you go. There you go. There you go. So now the value proposition of athletes is changing, especially for the high-end athlete. And again, now there are opportunities for athletes who aren't even top-tier level athletes that may have become an influencer of sorts. You look at the twins, the young ladies that are killing

it and that have killed it in NIL. They weren't even really good. They weren't that good of players. It's Cavendur, I think. In fact, I think they, one of them, I think they transferred or whatever it may have been. We'll look at that up.

Oh, gosh. I mean, listen, I've tried to do in-show research here. You guys get your minds out of the gutter. I could dig it. I mean, and for what it's worth, the interesting thing about that is you can be as superficial to say that some of these NIL phenomenons are purely based upon their looks. Yeah, it is. I can't confirm it as a Cavander.

Oh, my God. Yeah. The other thing is, like, well, first off, you can confirm. Like, you look at some social media followings, LeVar. It doesn't have to be specific to NIL. It's social media. It's like, oh, why does this person have so many followers? Oh, okay.

Oh, I got you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it ain't because they can do a backflip really well is that they look really good doing a backflip. And it's crazy because we live in a time in a day and age where there are true sensitivities towards, you know, chauvinistic mentality or, you know, super superficial types of approaches. Yeah. But yet and still.

Yeah, right, Jonas. Yet and still, that's now a driver. That's a driver of what's taking place. So it's also now a level of chasing celebrity. And this is crazy to think. We chase celebrity or we chase national titles when we were playing because that was, you knew that it led to having a better opportunity to making it to the league. These guys are doing it because they have an opportunity to grow their brands in a way where they can monetize it and monetize it like nicely, handsomely get monetized and compensated.

and compensate it for building a brand and it kind of takes away, it shifts the focus of being just a student athlete, which probably that's a term that might die on the vine, but you've now changed the, you've moved the goalposts of what it represents to go to school and be an athlete and a student at a school because of technology, to your point of what about social media now

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oh Jonas you're too kind you're too kind LeVar good to be with you, Brady. Good to be with music. Let's start things off in the end. He's ragging music. Uh-oh. Ooh. Do, do, do, do.

Yeah. All right, L.A. Chargers. They got themselves a new head coach in Jim Harbaugh, which means a new offensive coordinator, Greg Roman, who wants to get the most out of their star quarterback and Justin Herbert. How do they plan on doing that? Well, here's what Roman had to say.

Quote, can you imagine Justin Herbert with a great running game? We don't know, but I can imagine what it might look like. So that's kind of the vision. If you look at Herbert and the Chargers since he became their starter, total run game rank by year, 18th, 21st, 30th, and 25th.

Below average at best, pretty bad, at worst. Jeez. Dang. Damn. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that they even really wanted to run the football during Brandon Staley's era there and with some of the OCs. So, you know that's going to be what Jim Harwall is going to do.

Oh, yeah. Listen now. Yeah. You go to Draft Kings right now. They're drafting, you boy. Oh, Blake Corom plus 175. The Chargers are the favorite. Prototype back for me. To be drafted by the Chargers there for Blake Horm. I'm a fan.

And I hate Michigan. But I love some Blake Corum, boy. That baby can run that rock. There's some pictures of Blake Corum going around on social media. Uh-oh. Are there? Shacked. Hold on.

Hold on. Are you saying he out on the gas? I mean, listen. He's always been with stuff. I'm not saying that, but he was looking huge. All right You don't know You sound like way too much

Man my gosh That doesn't sound like Complementer again Thank God I leave bro You just say jacked Oh my gosh I said I said jacked first

I said he looked jacked He looks huge Black Zilla Damn It's not even 10 a.m. here Come on Chris Jones Get it together Come on

Come on Chris Jones Fouryard Dash What? Oh no Come on Oh no What

We know that's Jonas's favorite My eyes. Oh, music knows. I listen to two pros in the cup of Joe driving in for the herd every day. Oh, that's right. And your mom's a big fan. Oh, whoa, relax, bro.

No, she loves the Hoa Constrictor. The Hoa Constrictor. Yeah, the H-O-A president time for Brady. By the way, I am looking at this. I'm so confused right now. The Blake Horm video, he is pretty jacked. Jesus. Good for him.

All right. All right. All right, here we go. As you guys discussed regarding the Patriots with Old is New again. their famous 2018 AFC championship game against the Chiefs has come to light once again with Patrick Mahomes talking to Peter King. Here's what he said about his interaction with Tom Brady after the overtime loss. I was going through the tunnels.

He grabbed me, pulled me to the side. All he really said was, you're doing it the right way. Continue doing it the way that you're doing it. That's made me carry that type of mindset throughout the rest of my career. It must be nice for Brady to know that like if this does really get close when it comes to Super Bowl wins with Patrick Mahomes, that he could say, yeah, we met twice in the playoffs and I beat him. Yeah, that's why I think, I mean, Mahomes has said it.

He feels like there's nothing he can do to surpass Brady, even if he ended up winning more Super Bowls, which you'd think like, okay, if he wins more, he'd have the Trump card. But when they did go head to head, you know, Brady got the best of them. Yeah. Just be great. How about that?

Just be great. I like that. Yeah. Do you think it is a little odd, though, like when Montana had, like, come out, you know, and he'd be around when, like, Brady was kind of winning all the Super Bowls, and it's like, all right. he's passing me by.

Is that where Tom Brady's going to be? He's to be like the guy out there standing out there as Mahomes wins his eighth Super Bowl. Yeah, and just reminding everybody I beat him twice. Like, for all you celebrating this. Oh, you think that's what it would be about. Yeah. I mean, come on.

He's a very competitive guy. I mean, you know what happened. I mean, he could have beat him off the field, but he chose to be a family man too quickly. You know what I mean? What do you get now? He's picking up the slack. He's using his boy, Travis Kelsey.

to pick up the slack. So he will be the goat if it's based off of all things given. Oh, okay. I got you. Shots out to Patrick Mahomes. Listen, the off-field. R-I-P to Tom Brady. And that's the herd-line news with Ryan Music

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