The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The return of Caitlin Clark

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

Colin celebrates Caitlin Clark’s return from injury to score 9 points in 38 seconds and why her historic performance shows she’s just behind LeBron James and Steph Curry as the most popular basketball players in the world right now Thoughts on game 4 of the NBA Finals and if people should be questioning the officiatingSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J-Mack, it was a wild weekend tonight. By the way, Otani is pitching tonight, which is unbelievable. Also, tonight, the Indiana Pacers play O.K.C. Now, that's all let's, I know we'll have a Scott Foster segment. You're all worked up about that. But I got to tell you, so yesterday the U.S. Open didn't have a lot of juice. Again, for diehard golfers, they think it's great. But most people don't know who these guys are.

But I got to tell you something. The Caitlin Clark yesterday, 38 seconds. Caitlin Clark in 38 seconds. I don't know what second place is. That's the greatest 38 seconds in WNBA history. A mesmerizing 38 seconds, a 33-footer, a 31-footer, a 27-footer. The WNBA three-point arc is 22 feet. It felt like you were watching history, and I'm not overstating it.

Kobe's 81-point game, Michael Jordan switching hands, Reggie Jackson, with three home runs on three pitches in the 1977 World Series against the Dodgers. It felt like I was watching history. Yeah, I know LeBron's block was the NBA finals, but it's interesting that you don't realize how much you miss people until they're gone. So, Kaelin Clark had played high school every week and college every game and the WNBA every game. And then she misses five games. And the ratings plummet, 55 percent league-wide. It's like Saturday Night Live when they don't have a big star on.

Maybe I'll catch a clip, not the show. she comes back, Caitlin Clark Kent, the wo man of steel. She was calling for the ball. And right now, I'm sitting there watching it, and I felt like, what in the, look at these shots. What in the world am I watching? 33, 31, and 27 feet. And, you know, what was funny is SGA and Aunt Edwards. The NBA is trying to peg some young guys his face of the league.

They had Ant and SGA play in the Western Conference finals, and it had the lowest rating in four years. They're trying. You say, well, the markets are small. Well, Caitlin Clark plays for the Indiana fever. What does that matter? This goes to show that markets do not matter. That's all nonsense.

SGA, if LeBron James, when LeBron James was in Cleveland, we never said, well, the ratings are great. It's amazing. It's in Cleveland. Stars transcend state lines. right now she's the biggest basketball star in the world not named lebron and step she's bigger than yokech she's bigger than sGA she's bigger than haliburton in indiana for a terrible team a year ago but it was a remarkable thing to watch uh and she's got a little flash to it that helps uh she's

totally unique and totally transcendent but i'm watching live on television and my takeaway is oh this is one of those like once every two or three years like when lebron made that block in the finals, you're like, oh, that's going to be an all-time play. Or Michael Jordan switches hands. I didn't see Kobe Live with 81, but if you did it, probably felt like this. But I did see Reggie Jackson and 77. Three pitchers, three pitches, 97 against the Dodgers, home runs. I know it's the World Series. That is the greatest 38 seconds and the greatest stretch what we watched this weekend in WNBA history. The league is 25, 26, 27 years old, however it is, that's the greatest moment.

I don't care about championships, Diana Tarasi, Sue Bird, I don't care. That was the greatest moment in league history. Like other players, when you're watching a sport and you're like, whoa, whoa, I mean, look at the depth on these shots. Look at the, it doesn't even look. If you were Steph Curry, you'd be going crazy. Look at that. That feels like a half-court shot. Look at this stuff.

55% ratings lost when she left. She's back. I don't know what the number is for that. I would guess it's a season high ratings. Here's Caitlin Clark after. I felt good. And then I took one in transition. That's kind of like where I like to get to early.

And it's always good to see the ball go through the hoop. And then I came down and shot another one. Then I came down and shot another one in South arena row go in. So that gives you a lot of confidence. And even in the second half, I thought I felt like they all came off my hand feeling really good. So that's what you can find confidence in as a score and as a shooter. Okay, the other thing this weekend that jumped out to me, and again, it wasn't the U.S. Open.

I know all you die-hard golfers, you experts on golfs, you just had a great time watching that rain delay. Let's be honest, the Tiger Rocko Mediate they put on television during the rain delay, and Caitlin was far more interesting. You're not going to admit it because you're a great golfer and a four handicapped, but it didn't have a lot of juice. The other thing that was interesting over the last four or five days is the best soccer player in the history of our country is Christian Pulisic.

Don't argue it. You don't have to be a soccer expert. Turn the sound down, watch. He's our LeBron. He's our MJ. He's our magic. It's just different looking. If you take him out, we just don't look as good.

And there's a bunch of guys missing from the Gold Cup. But I have been on Team Pulisic because he decided not to play the Gold Cup. He wanted to play in a couple of the friendlies. But Maricio Pugetino, the manager, I'll get to this in a second, said, no, no, we're not going to do that. You're all in or you're all out. But here's why I am for Christian Pleuistic. And again, Team USA won, as Jay Mack said, settle down, they'll win.

They did 5-0 over Trinidad Tobago. Okay, fine. But as I talked about last week, for soccer players, basically, if you're the best soccer player in the world, you're our LeBron. What does LeBron do? He gets paid in the WNBA, and then he plays in the Olympics. Did LeBron? Did he play in the recent Feeba World Championship?

No, he didn't. And this is the equivalent, the Gold Cup, to the feeble world championships and basketball. Did Yokic play in those? No, he didn't play in those either. Yokic makes his money here in America in the NBA, and then he goes and plays in the Olympics. And LeBron James makes his money in the NBA, and then he goes and plays in the Olympics. Do you know who we, as America, sent to the feeble world championships, the equivalent of this? Josh Hart, Cam Johnson, a young Tyrese Halliburton, that's who we said.

Walker Kessler, Bobby Portis. That's who we said. Jalen Brunson. Boncaro was like 20. This is the Gold Cup. That's what it is. And we have to be fair about this. If you're anti-Poolism, he's not supporting America.

Do you think LeBron doesn't support America? Yeah, he does. He ran the NBA for 15 years, and he goes to the Olympics. Now, Steph Curry didn't get to the Olympics until later because he was dominating the league, and he was winning championship. But that's all this is. Basically, Christian Pulisic is taking the NBA model. And by the way, the two most global sports are not baseball or not football or not hockey.

They're soccer and basketball. In soccer and basketball. And now forever the best Europeans come over here to play. Now our best soccer, because that's where the best basketball is. Now our best soccer players are good enough to go to A.C. Milan and be first or second in scoring for their team and dominate. And so all Pulisica is doing, he's following the basketball model. If Yokin and LeBron aren't going to play in the Feeba World Championships, why in the world am I playing in the Gold Cup?

Small crowds, second-tier teams. I mean, we win five-nothing. We didn't have our best seven players. And we won five-nothing. So I am Team Polisic on this. Now I also, Landon Donovan talked about this. I also do believe that we have a new coach, and the new coach has to send a message

So when Pulisic says, hey, I'll come over and play a couple friendlies, but I don't want to play in the Gold Cup. I'm exhausted. I played 50 games in A.C. Milan. And here was Landoneman on that. He had to address it. He, I think, was ready to move on. He wanted to move on, guys. But then your best player and one of the leaders on your team does an interview publicly and says, I wanted to go, but the coach wouldn't let me, and the coach didn't want me there. He had to stand up for himself, wanted to send a message to Chris. to send a message to the team and the pool, but also for himself, you cannot be the coach that gets walked on by your star player. So for his future, everybody's paying attention. People are going to possibly hire him, though, he can't just let his best player walk all over him like that. He had to respond. Yes, totally agree. But if you are the best in America, anything, whatever your chosen field is in America, if you're the very best in Pulisica's and soccer, you've got to make choices.

cash and country. Feeba World Basketball Championship, that's not going to make the cut. The Gold Cup? I liked watching it, but we don't have our six best players. We won five-nothing. I'm going to defend.

I'm on Team Pulisic here. All right, Jay Mack, I am watching Scott Foster in the reaction. I just stayed away from this nonsense. But I am also Team Scott Foster. So I, this shows off to a great start, right? We got Caitlin Clark. I'm a phenomenal.

Did you watch that? Of course. Yes. My daughter, who's a basketball player, sometimes. We're just like in awe. I mean, she's just, we were going to go out to lunch and we had to wait until it was half time because Caitlin Clark was on fire. I mean, she had, we're 25 and a half.

But, you know, Caitlin Clark goes off. You talk soccer and now you want to go to Scott Foster. Do you know how much of a gut punch the non-cover was? I had plus six. I'm feeling great all game. up four with three minutes left. And it fell apart. That was a brutal gambling beat.

I will say this, though. Remember the Warriors LeBron Cavs final when the Cavs won in seven? Yes. It was six blowouts and a great final game. This series nobody's watching. But the games have been, three of the four games have been absolutely fantastic. That was a great basketball game, but it doesn't feel as big. It's like the U.S. Open yesterday.

When you don't know the players, it doesn't feel as big. Yeah, no, 100%. Are you going to get into Scott Foster, the push off by SGA, and then the travel on the the game, the shot to put them up with like two minutes left? Are you going to talk about that? Well, we'll talk about that. I also, there was an NBA deal yesterday, and people are freaking out. And I want to address that coming up.

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You know, one of our favorite things we talked about this last week with the Indiana Pacers who play OKC tonight. Series tied at two. Each team's one on the other floor. I'm still not sure who the best team is. It's my kind of NBA finals. OKC favorite tonight. I'd probably take him at home, but I love the Pacers.

So the Pacers sort of snuck up on us, right? You're like, oh, man, where do they come from? Well, the team that's going to do that, I think, next year is the Orlando Magic. And we talked about it earlier this year. In the playoffs, we said, keep your eye in Orlando. Boncaro, Bencaro is a great player. Jalen Suggs, Franz Wagner is going to be an All-Star. And they made a deal yesterday with Memphis.

and they ended up getting Desmond Bain, who can shoot the three, not much of a defender, but now they have their four guys. And so they gave up a bunch of first round picks, like three or four first round picks. Everybody freaked out. This is not the NFL where you get 23-year-olds. These first-round picks with Memphis are all going to be low first-round picks. So the bottom line is in a hyper-aggressive league that rewards people like Toronto who went out and got CoI Leonard or the Lakers who were aggressive to get Powell Gasol and Shaq,

or the warriors who were aggressive to go out after winning a title and get KD, that's this league. Aggressive wins. Now aggressive Westbrook with the Lakers and LeBron doesn't always win, but I would always back the team that was aggressive. So this is not the NFL. Draft picks do not mean the same. You have a lower hit rate, especially lower first round.

I mean, in the NFL, you can get Pooka Naku in the fifth round. You can get Brock Purdy in the seventh. That stuff happens all the time. NBA, you're one out of players by about the 12th pick many years. So my take is these are going to be low first rounders. But there's two things that happen with this trade. Number one is Memphis signaled we're rebooting. We're getting rid of Desmond Bain. We don't trust John Morant. John Morant's always hurt. He's always been fools gold in my opinion. Maturity issues. You can't rely in him. Last three years, he's worse. He's missed half the games and his shooting percentage has gone down.

So by trading him, they're rebooting. Yeah, that's a Colin was right. I never bought into John Moran. Is Desmond Bayne a good player? Absolutely. He can hit a three. He's aggressive. He's big.

He's strong. Not much of a defender, but he can hit the three. And what Orlando is saying is, hey, look at Indiana. Bang Carroll is better than anybody potentially on Indiana. Can Wagner be as good as Pascal Seaccom? why not us? I think Orlando's, look at these finals

and look at the Pacers and saying, Milwaukee, Tatum's hurt for Boston, New York's got a ceiling offensively, why not us? So I love the move by Orlando. Now they've got their core for Suggs who had a rocky start from Gonzaga is now a nice player. Tough defender can hit a three.

And again, Desmond Bain's going to give you 19, 2021, from the tougher west to the weaker east, he could average 22 a game, gives them a little maturity and a little age on a very young team. But I actually like the move. And I also think, I've been on this for years. There are certain players in the NBA overwhelmingly small hyperathletic guards that everybody falls in love with.

I didn't fall, I didn't buy into John Wall or early Westbrook or Derek Rose or Stefan Marbury or John Moran. If you can't shoot as a small player, then you have to score at the rim. and you're going to get hurt. And I said before, John Moran, he's a lesser version, a thinner version, a smaller version of Derek Rose, who I thought was wildly great for highlights and really good.

But then you remember Derek Rose for the Bulls, taking on LeBron, remember that? I think LeBron was at Cleveland at that time, and LeBron's saying in the fourth quarter, I'm going to shut him down. Bigger, stronger LeBron did. This league is overwhelmingly won by bigs and unbelievable wings, not my small guys who are hyper-athletic and can't shoot.

so I never bought into the John Morant stuff. I'd like it as my two or my three, but I can't build around him. And Memphis finally acknowledging, yeah, we can't build around him either. But don't worry about the draft picks. Yeah, I don't love giving up like four first rounders, but Orlando is going to be a top five, six team in the league.

They're going to be Indiana. So those picks at the bottom of the first round don't mean a ton. And Bain's a real player. In Orlando, we watched them in the playoffs this year. And didn't we, we set it on this show during the series. We're like, oh, you don't want to play Orlando if they get another guy or if they mature. They have a chance to be Indiana next year, especially now with Desmond Bain. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Remember that series it was against Boston? And we were surprised how this young Orlando team was like pushing back and the games were competitive. When Boston had been an unbelievable team all regular season, And you and I kept saying, like, Detroit gave the Knicks trouble. We're like, okay, Cunningham's a real deal.

And Orlando's out there against the Celtics. And we're like, how are these games close? Now they just added a guy that could be an all-star or a borderline all-star in the-e. Basically, this is the Mikhail Bridges trade that the Knicks did, right? Bridges had not been an all-star, but he fetched five firsts, and he's valuable. I think this, I'm with you. I think the vein is huge in Orlando. Remember, Suggs is a great defender.

They got two tough defensive guards. Man, I love that move. All right, let's get started with Michael Parsons. Obviously still seeking a new contract. But at the same time, so are T. Hendrickson and T.J. Watt. It's almost like a standoff because whoever goes first, then the next guy is just going to get a little bit more, and the next guy will get a little bit more than that.

So it's weird, but Parsons says the longer it goes, that the more it's going to cost Dallas. And if you look at the highest paid non-quarterbacks in the league, I mean, are you giving Micah Parsons more than Jamar Chase? I'm not doing that. Now, Dallas, I guess they're going to. Jason, I think what is happening? I'm going to, I'm projecting this.

I don't know if it's happening, but it feels like it. We've always viewed edge rushers as gold bars. And I do think Miles Garrett is one of one. But I think that Steelers are looking and saying, we're already paying the most for defense. and we've got to pay $45 million for T.J. Watt. And I think Hendrickson for Cincinnati, though I would sign him, I think they're looking at him. And then I think Dallas is looking at Micah Parsons.

And the truth is the guys that really dominate the defensive line are Jalen Carter, Chris Jones, and Aaron Donald. They're interior defensive linemen. And those are much more rare body types when you get a 340-pound, 330-pound guy with good feet, Reggie White, Aaron Donald, Chris Jones. I don't know how much Chris weighs, but I think Jalen Carter walks into the NFL, and everybody's like, that's what we need. And the draft gives you maybe one of those every other year. So think about this. Think about scarcity.

You're going to ultimately pay Jason in any field for scarcity. If something's great, great quarterbacks. You average about one a draft. Unbelievable dominating Chris Jones, Jalen Carter defensive linemen, interior. About one, maybe a draft. Edge rushers, although not wide receivers, there's more of them. College football's giving you four to five to six edge rushers annually that can play very quickly. And so I feel like, I kind of feel like, I mean, Max Crosby got his,

and because they don't have an offense, he's really valuable. But I think Cincinnati looks at Joe Burrow in their offense and says, can we draft a Hendrickson? And I do wonder with Michael Parsons if Dallas is saying, I don't know if we're paying CD and DAC, can we pay, I'm not saying they don't have value, but there isn't a scarcity for edge rusher as there is for Jalen Carter. Yeah, I know it sounds tough,

but the Boston Red Sox back in the day for Moneyball, we're like, we can't afford this guy. Can we recreate him in the aggregate with three guys who have a similar skill set? So you're right. If you can get a defensive tackle, hard to find, right? 330 pounds moves. It jumps out of a swimming pool like incredible athletes. And we just get three edge rushers.

Can three edge rushers do what Micah Parsons is doing if you rotate them? And remember the Niners a few years ago? Had that strategy with Robert Sala. We're just going to have four edge rushers just coming at the quarterback all the time. Well, I mean, just look at the NFC West. Jared verse now, edge rusher, dominant. Bosa, dominant. I mean, just in that division, you have two guys.

I mean, you start looking at the pass rushers. Arizona had Chandler Jones for a while. You start looking at a lot of these edge rushers. It feels like the Chargers had Bosa and Khalil Mack. It's very, what team has two great interior defensive linemen? But there are teams with multiple pass rushers from the edge because the body type's not, you know, it's not as unique. So I do, I think when, like I said this about T.J. Watt, people think it's crazy. He's 31.

You want to pay him 45 million a year? I think I can find. 75% of him on the market or in the draft. You can't find Jalen Carter in a draft. He's like once, he's the best interior linemen since Chris Jones. Yeah. We're getting to the point maybe in all the three big sports where it's like, hey, do we want Kevin Durant at 50 mil?

Or can we get like three guys to total 50 mil, like what the Pacers and Thunder have to, you know, to basically recreate a Kevin Durant? And you and I have been on this. I would have moved off Michael Parsons. I would have traded him. I know that sounds sacrilegious, but now you're going to,

he wants $40 million a year, Colin. I don't see how that gets Dallas any better at all. Anyways, next story is, this is a dubious one, but Travis Kelsey, we know he had a brutal playoff run, the worst season of his career. Well, guess what?

This off season, he has lost 25 pounds. Wow. That's an estimate. Last season, Kelsey was listed at 250, and he had a brutal year. Now they're saying he's down to 225. I didn't see the word of Zempec in any of the stories. So maybe this is O'Naturale.

But with his travel schedule, you know, I mean, you look online. He's in a different city every night, living it up, going to events, eating really nice dinners with Taylor. So I don't see how this is possible. But you're a Bon Vivant yourself. Maybe you can tell me about how you somehow lose 25 pounds while traveling and eating dinner every night. Well, I think what's happened is he's, you know, he's telling you last year he wore out at the end of the this season. He wants to be, you know, Lamar Jackson did this. Remember last year, Lamar showed up and we're like, did that dude lose weight? Lamar lost weight. Lamar's like, I want to be faster.

I think Travis Kelsey looked at his film and said, I've lost speed, and that was my, that was really his secret sauce. He was a good blocker. He had good hands, but he was never as big as gronk. What he was was a guy that you couldn't defend him. He had speed. He beat guys down the field. And that relationship with Mahomes. And I think he looked at him. himself and thought, I have lost a step. How do I get it back? You get it back by losing weight. Lamar Jackson did this. We don't love that Lamar Jackson is lighter, but Lamar watched this film and said, listen, I know what I am. Right. Like I'm not Brady from the pocket. I'm okay, but what I am is the fastest quarterback ever. I lost a step or I don't feel like quite have the

burst. I'm going to come in thinner. So I think that's what it is. Yeah, it feels like, isn't that every human being on planet Earth? Hey, I gained some weight. I'm slowing down. Let me drop some weight. So I believe it when I see it. Final story is this gentleman named Schindor Sanders, the fourth string quarterback in Cleveland. Yet here we are doing a big story on him because according to a report, Shadur made an impression, Colin, which could give him momentum heading in the next month. The report adds the plans for the Brown's quarterback situation is they want all of them

to practice different throws in different situations. And guess what, Colin? they've answered the bell, including Chador, who put the ball into some tight windows, and threw it with some aggressiveness. I'll let you just wax poetic. Of Chedur Danders. Well, he was historically accurate in college, and now he has had the greatest mini-camp OTA in NFL history.

So I said this last week. When a quarterback's college skill set translates, and you can see it very quickly, that impresses me. because a lot of times it doesn't. You think, oh, Tim Tebow is super athletic for college. Tim Tebow is a marginal tight end level athlete in the NFL. Right. Johnny Mansell, oh, my God, he's so athletic.

Oh, no, that was college, not the NFL. But if you watch Lamar Jackson or Steve Young when I was younger, and you're like, Steve Young ran around for BYU, and then you watch the NFL, and you're like, oh, he makes guys miss in the NFL. So, Chador was 74% in college, 77, 78%. He may not be a great NFL quarterback, but what he does well is translate. So that's something to lean on.

I'm going to get on our graphics staff to make sure that they put like an asterisk by all his numbers. And then below, they need to say, versus backups, right? Second string, guys who are working out during the day and deliver a DoorDash at night. That's who Chador is torching in this minicamp. Let's just settle down. Dylan Gabriel is facing the ones. Kenny Pickett, your guy, is facing the ones. So I'm not going to freak out.

But you are welcome to it. All right. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd-Lie News. So I have to set this. So I want to set this story up.

So J-Mack, as he eloquently put it, had Indiana and the points. And so for anybody that did on. Friday it was a pretty gutting loss whatever but um i my premise on officials is that athletes are bigger and faster than ever and the NBA i mean look at baseball's acknowledging now we're just going to do robots at home plate there's there's greater consequences as more money so ask yourself what is the toughest call for an NFL official to make and i think most of us would agree, it's pass interference. I mean, there's always contact.

It's like what level of grabbing and clutching and contact will you allow? There's grabbing and clutching on every ball down the sideline. It's just a matter of the discretion of the official. So I've always said at the highest level, like the NBA, basketball is incredibly difficult to officiate and consider this. during the playoffs, when the league historically has always swallowed the whistle, fans can't quite wrap their arms around. I watch this then and this now and it doesn't feel right.

And so if you end up officiating in World Cups or Super Bowls or the World Series or the NBA finals, you are viewed by the league as somebody that can handle it. it. So the reason Scott Foster is often a target of criticism is because he officiates the biggest games. Yes, Scott Foster honestly feels like one of those character actors. I can't name him, but I've seen him all the time, right? And so Foster makes a call and people freak out. But I just want to give you a reminder. SGA is 6.6 and a buck 95. He's not a powerful player. So on this move that's working you up, he does not have LeBron's strength. What happens is if you watch it, that he did give him a nudge, but that the pacer player, Naismith, tripped over his feet,

making it look like a significantly botched call. If you watch it again, Naismith falls over his feet. I'm sorry, Naismith weighs 15 pounds more than SGA. SGA is a string bean by pro athlete standards, 6-6-195. This looks worse because he trips. Now, it's a go-either-way call. It is, and I know you didn't like it, and most people didn't. If it was called, fine. But I want to remind you of this.

What's one of the most iconic plays of all time in the NBA? I would say Michael Jordan over a Brian Russell of the Utah Jazz. Remember that? This is arguably a top five most iconic play ever. Oh, that's interesting. Would you rather not have that count? Oh, you love that play. So in that play, like the SGA-N-Smith play,

Russell gets ahead of himself, loses balance, so it looks like Jordan with a left hand shoves a 200-pound athlete out of the way. He never did. Russell bit on the Michael move, full steam ahead leaning, Michael with a gentle touch to the left hand, and it looks like he shoved him. Michael was strong. He's not that strong. Okay, and remember, Kevin Durant and LeBron had a similar situation years ago. Do you remember this on the baseline?

Oh, they didn't call that either. Isn't that interesting? So they didn't call this. Remember this? You guys all freaked out, and I said at the time, Durant's leaning, making it look like he got butchered. He didn't. An SGA pushing Naismith.

It's not as bad as you think. Brian Russell and Michael Jordan, these are all-time plays. And what's the consistent part of all three plays? NBA finals, NBA refs, let them play. All are finals, all are stars, and the referees, as I've been saying for years, let stars play. That's why they put Scott Foster in these moments. Let them play.

You look at that Jordan Brian Russell play. You'd think Michael grabbed a wheelbarrel, put him in it, and shoved him. Russell's headlong flying. Wasn't a foul? Michael's using his hand. You're not going to call that. You're not going to the SGA thing. He's 6-6-195 of the amazing things that SGA has.

being forceful and powerful is not one of them. So if you're totally honest, look at Nathan's feet. He trips. He falls over his own feet because of the momentum. Watch his feet. Oh, it's a shove. SGA can't shove a guy that's 15 pounds heavier. Watch, watch his feet.

He trips over SGA's feet. It makes it look awful. So again, if you didn't have the Pacers plus six, Like, I get people are upset. But this whole thing about Scott Foster, the league's out to get him, Scott Foster is the official in the NFL that ends up in conference championship in Super Bowls. He's good at what he does. Here's Rick Carlisle defending him.

As far as officiating, I think it's awful some of the things I've seen about the officiating. And Scott Foster in particular. I've known Scott Foster for 30 years. He's a great official. He's done a great official. job in his playoffs we've had him a lot of times and the ridiculous scrutiny that's being thrown out there is is terrible and unfair and unjust and stupid LeBron KD SGA Michael Jordan they swallow the whistle that's just like you

just get that a lot they're gonna swallow the whistle by the way the story of this game and I watched every basket like you was in the the final three minutes, Oklahoma City, and they're all NBA defensive level guys, played unbelievable, suffocating defense. And you know what OKC played like? Their season was on the line. Oh, wait, it was. We know that athletes play different in different situations and that urgency ebbs and flows. Oklahoma City's defense was historically great. And for that three minutes, It was incredible. I felt like I was watching Mahomes against the Eagles pass rush.

Indy could not get a shot. Indy's a great team. They could not generate offense, motion. There were blocks. There were steals. Yeah, you don't have to love that call by Scott Foster. If you're honest and YouTube it and go back to the last three minutes, look at the defensive intensity of Oklahoma City.

It was all these guys who, throughout the regular season, we kept saying, is this the best defensive team ever? And Oklahoma City had solved that riddle for parts of this series, especially this young team on the road. The final three minutes were art. It was man-to-man coverage with two pro bowl corners and a pass rush. Indy couldn't, I think India had an air ball at one point. Colin right, Colin wrong, top of next hour.

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And the Boston Red Sox are number one in baseball in profit margin. I think they're number like four in revenue, but they're the most profitable team, even more profitable than the Dodgers. And so the message the Red Sox fans send, even though they're not World Series viable, I mean, they're not close to the Dodgers. They're not as good as the Yankees. I don't think they're as well run as the Braves. But the message is, our play seats about 365 and, you know, we put about 34,000 in regardless if you trade monkey bets or not. And so 87% capacity. for every home game since 2025. That's near the top of Major League Baseball.

And so yesterday they make a big deal, Raphael Devers, one of the top 10, 15 hitters in baseball, and he gets traded. Now, first of all, he's a lot of maintenance. He reportedly threatened to ask for a trade in spring training. He doesn't want to play first base. They needed him to play first base. So he and the manager did not get along, Alex Cora.

He was not long for the room. He's got a huge contract. And so eventually they made a trade yesterday. And like the Nico Harrison Mavs, Lakers trade, the feeling in Boston is we didn't get enough. I'm not a baseball America guy, so I don't know if you got enough. Most people say you didn't get enough.

And that's fine. There's a lot of our baseball reporters you could follow on that. But the bottom line is the owner, John Henry, has added to his portfolio since he bought the Red Sox, Liverpool. And Liverpool is not profitable right now. And they need to add a star. There's a German star out there.

They want to sign for $150 million. dollars so the messaging you know it could be a line item for john henry he's looking at it thinking i still almost sell out boston there's in the summer Celtic season's over patriots camp hasn't started it's boston fenway's legendary and people mostly pack it and we got a bunch of farm hands and some are pretty good some are okay and we're just going to keep doing this so what's the message fenway'll be mostly full Liverpool which isn't profitable but by the way liverpool's probably worth, if it was on the market, $6 to $7 billion, and the Red Sox probably on the market, because baseball isn't growing like the English Premier League, probably be worth $4 billion.

So he has Liverpool, which, by the way, to show you how Liverpool is growing, LeBron James in 2011 bought a 2% stake of Liverpool for $6.5 million. That's now worth $100 million. So the bottom line is those Premier League teams are exploding in value. So John Henry looks at that and goes in my portfolio. I've got RFK racing and I've got Liverpool and I've got the Red Sox. The one that's exploding is Liverpool. And they're not nearly as profitable yet. And the Red Sox are profitable, win or lose.

So the message Red Sox fans are sending is it doesn't matter. I mean, they got fleeced in the Mookie Betts deal. You still went to the games. If you want to make a difference as a sports fan, then don't go to the restaurant after four bad meals. don't buy a car from a car lot that gave you back-to-back lemons. That's not on the Red Sox. You're sending the message that it doesn't matter.

Well, what are you going to do tonight? Let's go to the, let's go to Fenway Park. Don't. Go to the beach. Go to whatever you do in Boston. Have a bowl of Chowda. Whatever you do, do it. But I'm sitting there, John Henry keeps building up this portfolio.

And he's like, okay, Liverpool is going to be worth $7 billion if I ever wanted to sell it, which they probably won't. the Red Sox are worth a little more than half, and the Red Sox are already number one in profit. And all you do is complain about the Red Sox, but they're number one in profit more than the Dodgers. So, you know, he's looking at it going, all right. I mean, well, we won't be as good with this guy, but my manager didn't like him.

My GM was sitting there. I don't like Devers. He drives me nuts. He has a top 15 hitters of the Giants got a great player, but gave up some good farmhands. So I think there's messages you can send. And I, well, if I give up my Red Sox tickets, never get him back. Nonsense. That's nonsense. I can get great tickets. You can get great tickets on

any seat app you want tomorrow. And who goes to every game at home? It's 81 home game. Nobody's going to all the games anyway. So you can yell and you can scream, but the messaging by fans is it doesn't matter. Eighty-seven, 90 percent full anyway. It doesn't matter. And this guy threatened, he was threatening that he wanted to be traded in spring training. with a huge contract. So it wasn't long for the organization. Like the Luca deal, I get the move. You probably should have gotten more if you're the Dallas Mavericks. You know, the baseball people are saying you should have gotten more. It's all about messaging. What message are you sending the owner? You keep filling the stadium. All these owners now, these domestic owners,

they are, they're owning stuff overseas. They're owning, I mean, you got players in America, like LeBron owning some of these Premier League teams. What's the message you send? You do have power. Collectively, you have to use it. Which I know isn't a popular answer. But, you know, I've been to Fendway a few times. It's packed, regardless of the team. Jamack, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, top of the hour.

So I defended Scott Foster. Yeah, I saw that. And the owner of the Red Sox. Two very popular opinions. Well, I'm out on the, I don't know the Red Sox stuff. I haven't read as much on that trade. But the Scott Foster thing, you kept saying, look at it. Ignatius' feet.

Look at his feet. Look at the arm, the pushoff by the rulebook. Extending the arm is an offensive foul. It should have been called. It's undeniable. But I got to, listen, I got to give Mark Dagnall credit. He made a great adjustment late. Did you notice he had a two-man game between J-dub and SGA?

And that got Nemhard off SGA. SGA goes for like 15 points in the fourth quarter. It was a smart move. Pacers didn't have a counter in time. I think series is over. I don't think Pacers can come back. why we keep saying that. And by the way, if that would have been called,

I wouldn't have been bothered by it. What I'm saying is the fact that it wasn't called, go back to MJ and Russell, go back to LeBron and Durant. We have a history in the finals of whistle swallowing, often with stars. 38 free throw. Yeah, well, but at least it's consistent.

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