The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Thunder go up 2-0

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

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Vegas. Now, man, tonight, tonight, this is crucial for the New York Knicks. Do the Knicks need to win tonight? The answer is yes. We're going to talk about last night's game in SGA. But did the Knicks need to win tonight? Yes, but I'm seeing a lot of people, Kavino say, can the Knicks shake what happened game one? I hope so

Can they get over it? You're hoping that's not a... Well, it's going to be a mental thing as I keep saying, it's not just a loss. It's how they lost, right? I say it's very Mola Ram. Indiana Jones Temple of Doom.

Hearts were ripped down. Yeah. Kalima. Kalima. Kalima. You're supposed to say, Um-Nam Shav shabai. Amnam Shavai.

Amnam Shavai. Amnam Shavai. Klamma. Molaam came, you know, in the sense of the page. and Halliburton, you ripped the hearts out of the Knicks fans and the Knicks team. And you saw it when Brunson was sitting there, shocked, total shocked and bewildered at the press conference,

not knowing what just happened. So it's how they lost. And you have to hope that it's not in their head. Like subconsciously, they're not having imagery of Halliburton doing the choke sign and that, that ridiculous doink shot going in. Is that the most popular doink? Well, there's all time. the clown is up there

some of the best. The Chicago Bear playoff loss where it was like doink, doink off the upright twice. Teen Wolf. Teen Wolf had three doinks making foul shots. And of course, I think the most famous, it's arguably a quadruple doink when Kwai Leonard

hit his shot. But back to the question of hand, the Knicks have to win. You just hope it's not a mental thing. It's kind of like, you know, not to steal your thunder here, pun intended, Rich. Thunder. But it's your example of when things go wrong in the bedroom.

Yeah, I mean, we're on Colin right now. He's the king of analogies. Oh, okay. So give us your best Colin. Stars, attract stars. So here's the thought. Have you ever been with a woman for the first time? And I don't know, maybe one too many old fashions.

Maybe smoked a little bit. Maybe you were nervous. That's usually it. And you followed up with, I'm sorry. sorry, this usually doesn't happen. And then when you get with that girl a second time, that first unfortunate fail. Oh, no, it's happening again.

It might stick in your head. So my point is, could the Knicks totally forget that dysfunction in game one? And hope that it doesn't happen again. Unfortunately, I've been there one time. You know you're on the radio saying this, right? Yeah, I know. But just to really bring your analogy to home,

it's that mental thing you have to get past it happened to me one time once once in my long career of slaying it and what happens is if that thought enters your brain again even just for a second it's all over you're like oh my god

it's happening again and you have to take a break and go to the bathroom and give yourself a pep talk and that began a series of events that lasted like the yips kick in after that and I had bedroom yips for like four months Rich it was a nightmare.

Sorry to hear that. Yeah, seriously. So you're hoping that the Knicks honestly play such a big game that the nightmares and thoughts of Halliburton making that ridiculous circus shot don't creep into the back of their minds. That's really it. It's the way they lost.

It's just one game. Right? So it would have been even better if they got blown out in that game. It would have to worry about us. The fact that they had, had that game and the Pacers just went on fire. That's the debate in itself. Did the Knicks blow it? Did they really choke? Or do you give all credit to the Pacers, which Colin did?

Well, as a fan, right? You will forever second-guess these moments and hate them. I'll give me an analogy as a Mets fan. In the 2015 World Series, they were winning game one. As a Mets fan, you only have a few examples, right? Shut up. A few examples that really matter. So what are you going to give us? 69 or 86? Where are we going here? We're going to Gary Carter's perm.

Okay. No, in 2015, when they lost to the Royals in the World Series, game one, the Mets had in control, they were in control the whole time. And then uncharacteristically, remember the Mets' former closer Familia? Yeah, of course. He did a quick pitch.

And if you remember, home run. Extra innings, Mets loose. You always second-guess, like, what was he doing? Like, we had game one. You know, and then when the series doesn't turn out the way it's supposed to for you as a fan, you always go back to like,

well, do we set the tone the wrong way with game one. The garden was hopping. You know, most of... We said it a week ago. This is the most important stuff that's happened at Madison Square Garden in the 21st century. What's happening? Billy Joel, who I love, or the circus?

Dice Clay in the 80s? I mean, you got to ask yourself. Oh, when Gunn's... Arthur Gable Williams, tame those lions. That was, Ringling brothers, the circus.

Frozen on ice? Like, what's been at the garden of significance? We're from the East Coast, and there wasn't many reasons to be excited about the garden growing up. The circus was in town. That was a big deal.

The Knicks haven't come this far in a long-ass time. So you just kind of hope it doesn't get in their head and they're professionals. Yet, they're young men. And you never know. They're human.

And the best example of that is your boy speaking of the Mets. Monsoto. The dude's in his head. Once you get in your head, no Bueino, and now's not the time. So they got to go out there, light it up, hopefully put the fire out, not let the Pacers do what they did again and win this one. There's no what-ifs, and they have to. They have to win this one. Let me ask the Jay Stu, producer of the Gottlieb show. Doug, we'll be on standby, I think, in a few.

Do you think that if they win game two tonight, all is sort of forgotten? Do we forget everything that happened game one? If the Knicks just evened it up tonight? No, no, no, no. Game one will never be forgot. I think that's going to go down in sports history. I think statistically it's the biggest choke job in the history of the NBA playoffs, right? Did you see that stat where like any team up nine points with 50 seconds left was like 1,400 and zero going into the Knicks game the other night and now it's 14001?

Yeah, but it was a perfect storm. of choke, right? You can't deny that. And he missed a few key shots. But you also have to acknowledge that it took five three from knee Smith, six of eight in the fourth. Like they had to light it up to even get there and then hit that ridiculous lucky shot. Dude, we said it on our show, Kavino and Rich.

If Dude Perfect said, you know what we're going to try to do. We're going to try to do a trick shot where we hit the back of the rent. And we're going to have it bounce about eight feet out of the TV screen and try to make this ridiculous. Recreate this Halliburton shot. I think we'd take like over 10,000 shots. Maybe 100,000. All right.

Maybe a few thousand shots before they actually make it. So, yeah. How many times did the ball bounce off the rim like that and then go over the backboard? It's like, you know, out of play. So yeah, the Knicks definitely blew it. But the Pacers definitely did everything they could to win it. And they had some luck on their side. So therefore, you're right, Jay Stu, super memorable.

We'll never forget it. But they have to win this game. no question about it. Don't you guys agree though that it can't be close tonight. Like the Knicks have to win by like 15. If it's close in the final couple minutes then this is going to creep in.

Vegas has five and a half. That's just human nature. I love the Knicks tonight. Minus five and a half. I think this is it can't be less than that. They need to assertively convincingly win. Brunson puts up another 30 plus and the

Knicks just try to mentally put game one behind them and say All right, now it's a best of five. Indiana, you have home court now. Stinks, but if it's 1-1 and then it becomes a best of five, that is a scenario, I think, New York fans could stomach. Okay, so, more reason to watch tonight, super pumped about it, and it makes me think of something the other Stephen A. said.

Oh, that's Stephen A. Kavino? Not Stephen A. Kavino. Stephen A. Smith. Can I guess what he said? Not in a good mood. probably said something like the fact of the matter is it's blank

well sometimes you get subdued Stephen A and he's real subdued and then sometimes you get angry Stevenette right it's true it's fact he was saying that

just because you come up clutch a Halliburton who had a premature premature celebration he really did but then they end up winning

so it all works out just because you come up clutch doesn't make you a superstar and the more I think about it the more I actually agree with them I just think it's part of the ingredients of what actually make you a superstar

it's a major ingredient when you say it's a major ingredient but it doesn't make you a superstar it means you came through in a superstar sort of moment but when you say clutch you know who I think of I think of Tom Brady Derek Jeter Michael Jordan, Joe Montana,

and now all of a sudden I started listing some of the greatest athletes of all time. Yeah, you're going to get a big shot Bobby or David Freeze in the playoffs or someone that has their moment. Kirk Gibson's a superstar? Or did he just have a superstar heroic moment? Superstar moment.

No, as Dan Patrick would say, he'd be in the hall of very good, right? So. Covino, you could relate to Jim Layrits. I mean, for like a season and a half, he was the most clutch player on Earth. Jim Layrits. So many of those Yankees came in clutch. Scotty Brocious, right?

Was a World Series MVP. But yeah, Jim Layritz, 1996. Yankees are down against the Braves. Comes through. That's a superstar. Clutch moment. Does it make him a superstar? So if a clutch moment doesn't make a superstar,

then what does? You're a big Dodgers guy. I think of a guy like Kike Hernandez. Yeah. Great, really good player. Yeah. Clutch, though. I feel like he's one of those guys.

that come playoff time, you're looking at Kikeke, like he may outdo Muky and Otani, like he's one of those guys. He doesn't make him a superstar, right? Just makes him great in the clutch. I would say clutch gene. Kiki Hernandez has the clutch gene and Alex Rodriguez did not. Remember, Alex Rodriguez

until the 09 series, the reputation was that he never came through in the clutch. Same thing right now currently with an Aaron Judge, right? In both Aaron Judge and Arod, you could easily say our super superstars, but they don't have that quality. So because Stephen A said this, fresh off of that heartbreaking win, it just sounds and comes

off like sour grapes. But he does make a point. Again, just because you show up in clutch moments doesn't make you a superstar. That's Stephen A on Tyrese Halliburton on whether or not he's a superstar. You know, so we ask you, Fox Sports Radio Nation, Kavino and Rich, in for Colin on the heard, if a clutch moment doesn't make you a superstar, then what does? What are the other key ingredients that are needed to make an actual superstar, to make you a superstar? If we could say, well, Halliburton isn't necessarily one, but, you know, Michael Jordan is. We are judged

by clutch moments, and I know Colin talks a lot about Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert in the postseason has not been good, but people continue to believe that he is of that elite, it's going to click, something's going to happen. But Justin Herbert last year had one of his worst games in the postseason. Now, what if Herbert was one of those guys that had a couple postseason opportunities played lights out, but his team lost? I think you would think a little different because

we judge people on their clutch moments. And the same way, greatness, you could say, a big part of the ingredients is how they perform in a clutch spot. I'll give you a dirty analogy. It would be like saying, yeah, dude, she's got a great ass and

nice, uh, Nice boobies. But that's two ingredients to make a woman good-looking, right? Yeah, but she's not that great. I mean, you just described two key layers here. So what makes someone a superstar? I would have to say consistency and sustainability, a la Big Poppy.

He did it for years, and he did it over and over again. It wasn't just a one-time moment, one sort of Halliburton clutch moment, one sort of David Tyree clutch moment or a Nick Folle Superstar performance. It's years of over and over again sustainability and consistency and clutch moments is just one of those key ingredients

that make someone a superstar. So then I ask you, if Halliburton, in Stephen A's opinion, isn't a superstar yet just because he had a clutch moment, what about SGA who's fresh off of an MVP these young players man

and again he's been around for a minute seven seasons in consistency is it fair to say a guy that just got voted MVP I still feel like doesn't get the respect he perhaps deserves is part of being a superstar playing

for a major market team it's not your choice all the time right yeah is it uh championships because he's got the MVP now. Is it performing on a high level on a big stage like he is right now?

So what do you think about an SGA? Because that whole team looks dominant right now. Dominant. OKC 118, Timberwolves 103, SGA playing big when it matters. Yet for some reason, if you take the, we call it the mom test or the Aunt Sharon test, a lot of the names on the Oklahoma City Thunder

are not household names. It's the truth. Now, to hammer this home, SGA, if I would ask you, name the top-selling jerseys since the NBA All-Star break. Top-selling jerseys since the NBA All-Star break. Who do you think's on that list?

Because when do you think the league MVP? Yeah. A guy that puts up 30 plus like every game and a guy that could very well win his first NBA title and MVP in the same season you would think he'd be towards the top of that list especially kids, young kids, by jerseys, star player

SGA 38 points in the win last night and I imagine he's top 10 but Luke is number one right? Now that's a great guess Luca number one. That's not a great guess it's just you know star player went to the Lakers mid-season, so I get that.

And of course, Stefan LeBron follow two and three. Superstars. Tatum, won a championship last year. Yokic is probably there toward the end. Yokic is top ten. Tatum. Did you say Tatum? Did you say Tatum? Jalen Brunson. Oh, yeah, Brunson. Wembe. But again, Brunson's got the power

of the New York Knicks behind him. You know, he's got the stats and the heart to go with us, so I think playing for the Knicks also helps. Anthony Edwards, John Moran. and at number nine, SGA. So he's top 10, but maybe a championship will take him to that next level. And it seems like they're cruising.

So again, Fox Sports Radio Nation is Kavino and Rich in for Colin on the herd. We got Gottlieb on standby. But what makes you a superstar? And your thoughts on the game tonight. And if we hang out more, I'm not sure with Doug's statuses. but we got the idea of athletes who are bald. There's a ridiculous story, and it has to do with bald athletes. I'll just say that.

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I'm so pumped about the game tonight. Pacers at Nix and must win for the Nix. We saw a big win last night from OKC. Okay, C. What makes you a superstar? Stephen A. Smith says, hey, just because he came in clutch doesn't make you a superstar, then what does?

He's right. He's right. One moment doesn't define. your career. In that case, we'd say Robert Ori is a superstar. Who came in clutch more than that guy? But it takes more than that.

And one more thing aside from sustainability and consistency and superstar numbers. And I thought of two things. It's meeting and exceeding the expectations, right? That's part of being a superstar. You got to meet those expectations. You've got to exceed those expectations. And I think marketability has a lot to do with it too.

Because you could have a little bit of each quality. If you don't have them all, you're not a superstar. No. Actually, Clutch is the one that you might not need to be a superstar a la A lot A lot, judge, people who haven't shown up clutched the way some of these other players have. I wonder if you look at all the, quote, superstars, we mentioned. People that you would put in that clutch superstar category. Are there numbers definitely better in the postseason?

Like, is Derek Jeter's lifetime postseason batting average better than his regular season? Is Michael Jordan averaging slightly higher in the playoffs than his regular season averages? Well, they also... Is a quarterback's, you know, TD to interception ratio better in the postseason? I think those are things to factor in. Because what happened to Halliburton again in this clutch moment was not only clutch and riding off his instincts in that moment. But it was so much luck involved, not to take away from his greatness and he's a great player.

That bounce was the most ridiculous bounce, most ridiculous doink. Is it the best, honestly, though, ever seen? Is it the best doink ever seen? Top five, Kauai? Like you said, Teen Wolf, Chicago Bears, double doink. I think Kauai is still number one. Other doinks? But that is right up there.

Chiefs got luck in a couple. Chiefs got luck on a couple field gold doinks last year. Yeah, no, that's true. You know why though? And Jay Stu hit it. Jay Stu, producing.

Shout out to our producer Danny G. But the number again, 877, 484, 3437. 37. Sure, the Knicks have to win tonight. Then it's the best of five.

But that game was so heart-wrenching and ripping and impactful that we'll remember it always. That's a highlight. that we're probably going to see for the rest of our lives.

The same way we remember the Reggie Miller moment is the same way, especially young people, are going to remember younger people, are going to remember this moment. It's a memorable game. And the Knicks have to win, and I agree win big, to sort of put that behind and move forward,

at least in this series. Now there's two answers to the bar trivia question. What Indiana Pacer did the choke symbol? Oh, yeah, the rivalry also. when beating the Knicks. Now it's a two-man show, Reggie and Halliborne. So, hey, tonight we'll all be watching, of course, Knicks Pacers game two. I love the Knicks given five and a half.

I think this is a, as you said, a statement game. You got to win convincingly tonight. This can't be a, oh, whew, said, thank God we're going to game three tied. This needs to be, yo, we're asserting ourselves. I do love the back and forth, though, even here on our channel of people like Jay Stussain, the Knicks blew it. But guys like Colin who are saying, no, the Pacers just won it.

That's a fun debate in itself. So think about it and we're excited to see what happens tonight. Now, another story. This is so up our alley. I mean, listen, we're filling it for Colin. Colin's got great hair. He's like a Silver Foxx, this guy. Now, I look at a guy like Colin Cowherd and say,

what a great head of hair. Not everyone's got a great head of hair. There's a study out of UCLA. The study out of UCLA, they're saying breakthrough. Breakthrough where rogain, propitia, all this stuff is going to be a thing of the past, and grown men are all going to be able to have full heads of hair if they want.

Well, this coincides with another viral story that toupeees are on the rise. Two pays are coming back. So you're back in style, buddy. Rich Davis back in style because the quality of two pays have increased so much that people are choosing them as an option. But according to this, you no longer have to.

You don't have to fly to turkey to get implants. You don't have to do the one-stop-shop turkey rage of you're paying 6Gs to go to an all-inclusive hair transplant. You just take whatever this is. It's a molecule of sorts, right? What it does is they're saying they have technology now where they could just like bring back all those dead hair follicles. So the question that I wanted to pose before we make way for Doug, who I think is all set up, He'll be taken over in a few here, filling in for the herd. My thought is this, in the sports world, it's the dumbest question, but that's how I roll.

Okay. What athlete or someone in the sports universe do you think you'd want to see with hair? That's gone bald. And, you know, early this morning, we would look the weirdest. Early this morning, we were chatting about this filling in for Dan Patrick. I think if you could beat this answer, you win. the whole NBA on TNT desk. Imagine if Ernie, Kenny, Shaq,

and Charles Barkley shows up with a cherry curl or Ernie has a pompad or Johnny Swade. Flat top fade. Right, yeah. If this is all possible, and there's no weird side effect, like shrinkage or anything weird. Oh, no, it says you have hair,

but your junk well-worth. Yeah, there's always a give and take with these things, right? If there was no side effect, who shows up in the sports world, look in the strength, Because so many people are just synonymous with the Baldo Ronaldo, like Charles Barclay or an SVP. How many middle-aged white guys that shave their head and have beards would be like, you know what? I'm going to grow my hair back.

I was just seeing some highlights obviously of last night, OKC in Minnesota. Imagine if Commissioner Adam Silver just showed up and he didn't look like a skinny Dr. Evil and all of a sudden Adam Silver had a big pop atro. Imagine Adam Silver with like Trevor Lawrence hair. I mean, it's possible, according to the studies from UCLA again. That's the rumor. That's the story. Rich got this from TikTok, so who knows if it's true.

I'm not buying it. Come on. But if you go on the trends, right, between Ozempic and this hair product, you're going to have a bunch of skinny, skinny frail guys in the future with beautiful, glorious hair. So who in the sports world would stand out the most to you? Let us know. 877 484.3437 or better yet. Since Doug is here and Doug is back.

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I'm here. I'm all good, guys. Hey man, have a great Memorial Day weekend. Any thoughts of what athlete would look ridiculous if they had hair again? Well, I mean, Erlacher obviously is the signature guy, right? No doubt. And when you land in Chicago, you're driving and you see him there. And you're like, wait, what is different about Brian Erlacker? So, yeah, I think the more interesting thing, and it's funny you bring that up,

is the guy who all of a sudden goes away and comes back and just lost the wig or the leave or whatever. He comes back and he's like, he just said F it, like, I'm bald, I don't care. You're right. You know why? Because we do adjust pretty quickly. Like, if you think back, we were used to Wade Boggs with that receding hair line. All of a sudden he shows up with a

pompador and you're like, oh, okay, I guess alright, Wade Boggs has hair now. And you kind of move forward. If it were the opposite, it might, it's a little more striking. Yeah, Doug, we worked with a guy at ESPN that he, apparently this guy was losing his hair and he would wear a hat. He started

wearing a hat. Like the paperware hand. Like a gulpoline. And he wouldn't take it off. And then months later, he finally takes off his hat. Glorious hair. The hair just busts up. So, hey. So he did the turkey thing? He must have done something but didn't want to give the reveal quite yet. But

hey, if this is a real study out of UCLA, then for all the guys, you know, losing their hair. Good news for you. LeBron is wishing this would have happened a lot soon. What's the real study? The study is, there's a scientific breakthrough and they're waiting for FDA approval. And if they get it, they're saying that, you know, so many, the results are way better than a rogain or,

you know, any of the other, like, a monoxidil or any of those type of thing. So, hey, there is hope for men with thinning hair. Yeah. These are, we can't cure cancer or the common cold, but dudes lose in their hair. We're all over, we're all over that. As a guy who can be follically challenged, I respect it. I respect the game. I respect the hard work. I just, yeah, And the turkey thing is, have you seen those TikToks where there's like a guy who goes to Turkey and he's on a plane and there's like 50 guys? 50 dudes with bans and dumped heads. It's real, man. Yeah, that's a real thing.

People are going out there by the droves just to get their hair done. What is it about turkey? Like no regulation or whatever? They've perfected the art form, right? But they also have become the spot because they offer like an all-inclusive deal. For like six days is what I've been told. Obviously, I don't need to go. No, you have great hair.

That's what sucks about this conversation. I know. I'm having a conversation with guys are great hair. No, look, from what I've heard, though, and thank you, Doug. Sixth cheese will get you an all-inclusive trip out there, and they'll do the procedure, and you come back, you went on a little vacation, and you come back with a nice head of hair.

Boom. Well, listen, Doug, we'll let you take over. I'm sure a lot of NBA with Doug. Doug, do you think Nick's tonight, it's like a convincing win is needed or what? No, I mean, I don't. If you look at the Celtics, they had two of these in a row. Yeah. That one up nine with 51 seconds to go.

I just, I don't know how you get up off the floor with that devastation. I heard you're talking about it. You've got to win that way. Yeah. I mean, this is an absolute must win tonight. It's what a crazy set of circumstances. All right, well, guys, I appreciate you helping out. Of course, man.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. What up, Doug Godley been for Colin, heard, Fox Sports Radio, I Heart Radio app. Welcome it. So last night, Oklahoma City took a two game to none lead. And stop him if you heard this before, but Shea Gildes is Alexander dominant, not just from the two, but also from the one, from the free throw line. What do you make? 13 out of 15 free throws. Anthony Edwards, the Ant Man, unavailable post game. Obviously, considering all the hype and the

desire to be kind of the next dude has not yet looked like the next dude in these last two games. I think here's the distinction that people need to make. This is a real thing. So when you go on social media, you'll get people who will say, who are, you know, and look, full disclosure, I have numerous friends in the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, and honestly, I think they do a great job. And I love watching this team play. But there's no, there just isn't a world in which we somehow deny that,

that Shea Gilgis Alexander is a free throw merchant of the highest, highest variety, right? And he's a good one. And oh yeah, by the way, he's also taking advantage of how the game is officiated now as opposed to how it used to be officiated. And here's what I, but here's the special distinction. Okay. Like I will see on social media, people say, Michael Jordan, shot nine more free throws the game.

And he probably did. Remember, when Michael Jordan played, and they played the Detroit Pistons in what was called the Jordan Rules, they would pummel him when he'd go to the basket. They would intentionally foul him because up until his first championship run, he didn't trust his teammates.

He wouldn't pass on that penetration. He'd try and win it on his own. and so yeah he shot a lot of fritos Michael Jordan shot a lot of fritos Michael Jordan got calls there's no question the difference in Jordan bird magic um even Kobe okay was what they didn't do was like this next step it started with Hardin with throwing the head back but Shay will he falls down I mean in game one how many times that he fall down. And it's interesting.

Like, if you love him, people are like, oh, he keeps getting fouled. If you hate him, you're like, dude, he falls down more than Joel Embed. He falls down a lot. But now he's gotten caught,

and he's great at this, at locking in his arm inside somebody else's arm who's guarding them. So contact is made, and then throwing his hand up and his arm up and his head back and getting a foul.

Like, he is a Picasso at being a foul garnering artist. He's a Picasso. He does it better than anybody else. But it's really hard to sit there and go like, I love watching this, March to the Frito line. And I understand you can sit there, again, go Jordan and Bird and all these guys.

They used to go to the Fritho line. There were more of the spectacular variety plays because they weren't going free to line or pivot, pivot, pivot, mid-range pull-up really close to. It's like talking about both sides of your mouth when you say he's an amazing, amazing player. James Hardin's an amazing player, amazing player. And in many ways, James Hardin's a better player in his prime than Shea Gildes-Alexander

is because Hardin had some of the same. foul drawing abilities. Only he was an elite passer and Chase, he's a good passer. There's nothing, nothing's truly special about him as a passer. Nothing truly special about it as a three-point shooter. He's unbelievable mid-range and six feet in. It seems like he never misses. And then he has the ability to draw fouls.

He's the best of these free throw merchants. But if you just throw out raw stats and you go, hey, MJ, I mean, again, the difference would be Michael Jordan was driving into a lane where there were two guys. And yeah, sometimes there were phantom calls, no question. But what he wasn't doing was he wasn't locking up somebody else's arm, driving to the basket, and then all of a sudden releasing the arm and flailing back and falling down at the second of releasing the basketball in order to gain a foul. Like that's just he didn't do it. So I get what the stats look like, but you can't fool the hardcore basketball fan.

And as likable, hell, as lovable as he is, right? Like, dude gets up there and I don't know what it is about Oklahoma City guys, but when they win the MVP, they always just say the right thing. Go back to Russell. Russell Lesbrook was the, you know, the basketball is my only friend type deal. But Kevin Rand talked about his mom being the real MVP. and Chegills Alexander talked about his wife. It was beautiful.

Like this is not an indictment on him the person. It's not really indictment on him the player. It's an indictment on where we've gotten to in an effort to make the game more offense friendly. The offense gets to dictate, contact, and all these other things. And now we've gotten to the place where the offense will intentionally make,

not just contact, but grab the defense. offender in an effort to act like they're being grabbed. And, yeah, I don't know how much you guys watched last night, but there was a point in the game where, you know, one of the Timberl's players just pushed him. And then when they're jawing back and forth in the lane, he's like, hey, stop flopping, bro. Stop flopping. You know?

And look, the story to Oklahoma City is they're playing more of a college-style defense, right? right, really, really pressuring the basketball. And that's the other thing, right? So we're not allowed to get anywhere near Shea Gildesis Alexander. We put our hands anywhere near him. He grabs them and acts like, which you're allowed to do. We teach our guys to do that. So it puts their hand on you.

It's your hand. But you go from that to the other end where Oklahoma City is playing super physical on the ball defensively. And then what's called a loaded up defense, just feet and hands and bodies as much in the paint. So you're playing one on five or at least one on two more than one on one. There's just no spacing there like it is against other teams. It's a better coach defensive team that is daring you to make skip passes and skip passes into drives or skip passes into jump shots. And the Timberwolves aren't doing it.

But the juxtaposition of how the game is officiated at each end, and again, a lot of it is style. You know, Oklahoma City, they do what Rick Patina. those teams have famously done, which is they foul on every play with the idea that you can't call them all. It's an unwatchable game if you call a foul on every possession. So if you have greater depth than everybody else, you get up in them. One, once you establish contact, they don't usually call contact fouls. Two, you know, if you do get in a foul trouble, you've got the numbers to withstand a little foul trouble. And three, there's the, you know, it's not just style,

They're playing at home and the place is getting crazy, but they're also playing hell-borne defense. So even if you go by the guy that has his hands on you, they're forced you to make that next pass. But it's really interesting that you're watching Shea and how he plays. And, you know, I was at game seven. I shared this on my show. It's Doug Gottlieb in for Collins.

This is the Hurd, Foxwood, Tradyo, I Heart Radio app. I went to game seven between, the nuggets and the thunder. And I wasn't, the crowd is incredible, right? It's like, it really is like a college crowd. People ask, what was it so cool about playing at Oklahoma State when you were there? That's what the crowd was like every night. Unbelievable.

But I'm standing in front of some guy who behind me, every time Yokic draws a foul, he's like, free throw merchant. You're like, well, I get it. Yokic does draw foul and does throw his hands into people and do all kind of the classic ways to draw fouls. But you do know that Shea is like if there's different rankings or different chess pieces, if Yokic is the king, then he's the queen. If Yokic is the queen, then he's the king of free throw merchantry.

And I don't know if there's a cottage industry, a free throw merchantry, or if you need a bachelor's or master's degree, but he's got a doctorate. But it makes it really, really hard. And it's also one of those things where the difference between now and the Jordan era is HTTTV, 4K, and how good the replays are, where you're sitting there going like, yeah, I don't think he was actually touched. And yet he fell down. You know, look, if the Thunder win the title, it probably doesn't matter. But this does feel like, do you guys remember when Dwayne Wade and. the Dallas Mavericks beat the

excuse me, Dwayne Wade in the Miami Heat beat the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA finals and it was just a constant march to the free throw line where it almost felt predetermined that the NBA wanted to make Dwayne Wade a star I don't think that's what happened. I think again it's just adjusting

the rules and you're sitting there going hey the offensive player has all the benefits of these rules so much so now that Jay is actually creating the contact, grabbing the other player, locking up his arm, and then making it out as that arm is grabbing him. This is, you know, yesterday we talked about the tush push still being allowed.

You know, they've gotten away from guys just throwing back their head, and now Shea has taken it to another level, where he kind of falls to the side and is constantly making faces and noises, even when he's not getting touched. I do wonder what adjustment they can make in terms of stylistically or rules-wise or emphasis-wise and officiating the future. It is that widely discussed. And I think it's because he's the best at it. He's the MVP. It's obvious what he's doing.

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