The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - The Warriors are in trouble

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Colin has bad news for the Warriors after Jimmy Butler's injury and why they will struggle against the Rockets if Butler misses extended time More thoughts on why Shedeur Sanders is getting a lot of criticism before the NFL Draft The Celtics seem to be doing fine without Jayson TatumSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the herd. Wherever you may be in, however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. So this is, you know, we all love this day. This is a really fun day for us. I, like, J-Mack, we'll start with a warrior. years because for a couple of reasons, the series may have shifted last night. So we thought Houston would win. We said they couldn't play worse, take Houston yesterday on the show.

Easy winner. Easy winner. Take the rockets. They're going to win, but it's how they won. So the NBA officials, the refs have decided throughout the playoffs, and especially in this series, we're going to let them play. Now, that's not a huge surprise. We talk about this on a regular basis.

refs let them play in the postseason. That's a big edge, however, to Houston, because they really let them play last night. They're longer, deeper, stronger, more physical, and once Jimmy Butler got hurt, well, the Warriors were a sub-500 team before Jimmy Butler. So Steph Curry and a bunch of role players not going to work. And it's not just Jimmy Butler's scoring or his playmaking.

It's the reality is they can just go after Steph Curry. All I have to do is rough him up, grab him, hold him, him. There's nobody else that can score consistently. So it makes the Warriors a completely limited team. It's not just the scoring and playmaking, the physicality of Jimmy Butler. The Warriors, we know this. They're not deep. I said before the series, if they're not going to play Jonathan Cominga, they're small and not athletic enough. And you take Jimmy Butler out. He's kind of the enforcer on that team with Draymond Green. The difference is he'd take some of the scoring pressure off Curry. So right now, the NBA officials are

are swallowing the whistles. It is the lowest free throw rate in NBA playoff history. Now, if you're the Celtics or the Rockets or the calves, Oklahoma City, and you're deep, that's okay. You can miss a star. Jason Tatum, a great player's out. Celtics don't miss a beat. Jimmy Butler out of the thin, small warriors is a series changer.

So, and again, we said this before Jimmy Butler. It's just curry and role players. So we have to wait for the test results, but if they're saying Butler's out for the next two games, the series is over. Now, full disclosure, I picked the Rockets anyway. I thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by Amman Thompson, who has a reputation. He did this to Janus. He did this to Tyler Hero.

His reputation precedes him. This is what he does. He a very athletic physical player. He was going after Butler. and by the way, Draymond gets guys worked up, but it's not like, you know, when people used to criticize Draymond Green, Draymond Green had a reputation, and he still does before he gets into the arena. A man, Thompson is their physical tough guy. He's the guy that's going to make things.

He's going to be going to play that line. I thought it was a little cheap. I would have no problem if he got suspended for a game in the series. However long, Jimmy Butler's out, you're out, which is probably going to be a game. But the NBA has decided we're going to let everybody play. And so that means that Butler's not there. The Warriors have been reduced to Steph Curry scores 40 points or we lose. Now, Jalen Green is not going to shoot like that on most nights.

He is a hit and miss player. You could look at his last eight games. You don't know what you're getting with Jalen Green. He had a great performance. That could go down to nine points in his next outing. So again, Houston came in with their coach, former Celtics coach. We're going to get after him physically. They're not going to come into our house and go up to O.

So there was an absolute game planned by Amand Thompson, Jalen Green. It was be hyper-aggressive. We have a deeper roster, and it worked. It doesn't affect the Celtics, who played without Jason Tatum. You can't take Butler out of the Warriors or the series is over, and here's Steve Kerr. And you just respond and react with what you have to do in terms of making a sub and trying to think about new substitution patterns who you want to pair together, all that kind of stuff. So obviously, feel terrible from Jimmy. Hopefully he's okay.

You know, it's funny. It's not like what Amend Thompson did. I'm all worked up about. I mean, I spent a lot of my years watching Kurt Rambos get tackled by the Pistons. If the 70s and 80s basketball was allowed today, you'd have fans rushing on the court. But I do think the NBA has always protected stars, just like the NFL change rules to protect stars. cars. This to me is one where I would have no problem saying, as long as Butler's out, you're out. It wouldn't bother me at all. Probably not going to happen. But remember, leagues do this. It's not hard to figure out. In the NFL rules, you can't touch the quarterback. Well, the NBA has always been a star-driven league, even more than the NFL. So I think Butler maybe misses a game,

but that's a game they're not going to win because you just only have one outlet after staff. And the Rockets have figured it out without Butler on the floor, clutching grab curry, push, grab, and the refs are letting it go. So it's a really disadvantage for the warriors the way the officials are letting the Rockets a much deeper team play. It's surprising the Rockets were so ill-equipped in game one. Here's IMA Adduca on the Rockets' chippy play. That's who we are.

That's our identity for the most part. So like I said, from start of the playoffs, we don't have to flip a switch and try to get tougher, try to get more aggressive. that's kind of what we built everything on. And so that carries over the playoffs. We understand that. And if they let us play both teams, it's in our favor for the most part.

Golden State as well is physical. You just have to play through it. You can't expect it on one end and then cry about it on the other. And so if it gets chippy, we've seen over the last two years, that works in our favor for the most part. It gets us amped up. But when you have a lead up 20 and things start to happen, you understand why.

And that's kind of last resort. Okay. So the way the league is efficient, the playoffs. They're letting even more go than I suspected. Big advantage, Celtics, Cavs, OKC, and Houston. Really deep athletic teams. Okay. So there's a story that Shadour Sanders is really slipping in the draft, could go 21 to the Steelers. I will, by the way, in 45 minutes, 50 minutes, I will have my final mock draft. This is not what I would do. This is what I believe happens in the first round. with the draft, first 15 picks. So 45 minutes from now, my prediction on what I think the first 15

picks will look like. So this is a very, very weak draft. So if Shadur Sanders is falling in the draft, you know, it's pretty obvious that Shadur Sanders is not lighting the world up. There's also T-MAC, the receiver out of Arizona, I am told, is also falling in the draft for separate reasons. But here's my thing about Shudor sliding to Pittsburgh. I would rather go to Pittsburgh at 21 than Cleveland or the Giants with a second or third pick. I really would. ownership stability, roster composition, and a patient franchise. The Steelers have D.K. METCAF. They'll trade the other receiver. They have a very good tight end. Arthur Smith more than capable at O.C. It's a very good roster. I'd rather go there.

Dan Marino fell in the draft to Hall of Fame coach Don Shula. Do you realize that the Jets could have picked him with Joe Walton as a head coach earlier? Do you think he would have ended up having Dan Marino's career? Patrick Mahomes went 10th. That year, if he would have gone second, he would have gone to the Chicago Bears. Andy Reid was not coaching the Chicago Bears. You start looking at when Aaron Rogers fell to Green Bay. You know where he could have gone?

Mike Tice, Minnesota, or Mike Nolan, who wore a suit on the sidelines for San Francisco. Would that have been better? So I think with the current NIL model, the fact that your dad's Dion Sanders, you're making seven figures in college. Play the long game. I would rather go down 10 draft picks, 12 draft picks to a better franchise. Dan Marino, Aaron Rogers are the two legendary drops in the first round. I mean, ask yourself this, Jordan Love, the Packers moved up for Jordan Love.

That worked out pretty well for him, didn't it? If you could go to the Green Bay Packers or 23 other teams in the NFL, who would you choose? So I think we talk about this. Where you land matters. Now, I have my issues with the Steelers. Mike Tomlin, defensive coach, defensive culture. If they have a bad year, I think they could. You know, Mike Tomlin's not going to be around forever.

So he'll get a TV job and a heartbeat. But with the NIL model and college kids coming out with some money in the bank and your dad's Dion Sanders, I would have, I would much rather go to a stable ownership group. All this short-term money. it doesn't matter as much anymore, at least for quarterbacks. I mean, at these top 20 football programs, everybody's getting money. Tight ends are getting money. Right tackles are getting money.

Safeties are getting money in college football. So the advantage to that is not only short term for the players being able to, you know, afford a nice car or something, but you can take a deep breath and not be emotionally tied into knots if you drop. Because if he went to Cleveland or New York, York, Shadour Sanders, has to play immediately, and he is the savior. He's not the savior in Pittsburgh. That's not what he would be. He would be the starting quarterback. The franchise doesn't need saving. It needs improvement, but it doesn't need saving. Cleveland needs saving. The Giants need everything, including saving. So that's where we are today. Lance Zerlein was on yesterday,

worked for NFL.com, covered the NFL for 20 years, talked about just this quarterback class, not very good compared to last years. From a comparison, it's terrible. It's not even close to last years. Obviously, Chador is going to go into first this year. He would have gone maybe in the second round last year, maybe even in the third round, because teams don't like, they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's only been six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over the last 10 years.

35 first rounders and 14 third rounders. So it's like, that's a line of demarcation. You're either a starter or you're a backup. So the odds continued to suggest that Shadur Sanders will slide down to 21 and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Again, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. The two most famous slides, Dan Marino and Aaron Rogers, went to good coaches and stability. And now Shadur comes out. Dad's a legend.

NIL money. So what? I mean, there are guys now in college staying in college for another year. We're seeing this. I mean, Carson Beck's like, I can get drafted in the sixth round or I can go to Miami and make $10 million.

So I just, I think the NIL has changed it. It's so what you drop. What you don't want to do is go to a franchise that is a mess. And we all know about eight to ten of these franchises are a mess. All right? There's about eight greatly well-run

franchises, another six to seven who are mostly on a consistent basis solid. Then there's 15 messes. J. Mack, I'm going to do in 45 minutes my mock draft. Colin, wait, wait. The Steelers are not a mess. A franchise that hasn't known offense for the last, I don't know, six years. That's not a mess. The most expensive defense, or one of the most expensive defensive defensive

rosters in the league. Yes. Haven't won a playoff game in forever. They need it. They're not a mess. No, they need adjustments. A mess has been the Titans. A mess before C.J. Stroud was the Texans have more playoff wins in the last five years in the Steelers. But the Steelers draft better, better roster composition, more stability and ownership, front office coaching. I mean, it's, again, Pittsburgh has underachieved relative to their division. I'm not denying that. But they do get to the playoffs. That's not a mess. So that's the

bar just get well no you're not a mess if you're getting to the playoffs now now i mean they win more think about this they win more regularly than the niners go go look at even with kyle shannon the niner's good year bad year good year bad year good year bad year good year bad year the rams win almost every year the steelers win almost every year they do win every year in the regular season so my take is the steelers aren't a mess they're just not uh again relative to the top teams in the league, they are still too defensive-minded. And I love this whole Shadur narrative.

Let's just remember, everybody, the league has no clue how to draft quarterbacks. Let's just get that out there first and foremost, okay? Trey Lance going second, Zach Wilson second, Patrick LaHan, sliding behind Mitch Trubisky. The league doesn't know what they're doing with quarterbacks.

Shadour may be good. He could be Drew B-Breeze for what we know. He's accurate as hell. Yeah, no, I think Shadour is going to be a nice NFL quarterback. I do. Good B-plus quarterback in the league. I do. I think he's more talented. I think he's absolutely more talented than Dak Prescott. I think he's more talented than Brock Purdy.

I think he's more talented than JJ McCarthy, who everybody loved last year. I think he's more talented. So I think he's a talented kid. I don't think he's a star, and I don't think he's a star. He's got some growing up to do, but is Kyler Murray a star? He's got growing up to do. He hasn't won anything. I don't know if Kylo Murray's that good. I think if you asked most GMs today, Kyler Murray, all things considered, including his contractor, Shadur, you'd take Shadur. Yeah. Yeah, because, you know, I mean, that's part of it. So, again, I, I, I, how about this? Can Shadur be a top 15 quarterback in the NFL?

Yes, yes. With the right landing spot, yes, I believe so. Top 10? Probably not. There were moments where Cousins was a top 10 quarterback in the league. Fringe top 10, but top 10. Yeah. Dak Prescott, mid-round quarterback. He was a top 10 guy. Yeah, again, when he had the right components to the roster, yes. I think if Shadur goes to the right play, I mean, the Steelers, Star receiver, really good

tight end. They lost their left tackle Anaji Harris, but it's a great running back draft, so they're drafting another running back. Which star receiver are we talking about the one who unfollowed the Steelers on Instagram this week? Oh, Pickens, it never stops. All right, we got a lot of stuff coming up. Joel Clat today as well, live in L.A., it's the Hurd.

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So the Celtics won a playoff game last night. They're now 16 and 3 without Jason Tatum. And they score more, they have a higher net rating, they shoot better without Jason Tatum. That is not a criticism. The MVP of the Celtics is their last two general managers. It is a roster so deep that virtually everybody's replaceable. When Washington and Joe Gibbs were winning Super Bowls,

three of them with three different quarterbacks, it won about the quarterback. It just usually is for everybody else that we're, in Super Bowls. Okay, the Celtics are not just a really good basketball team. They're a great company, culture, product, depth of employee talent. That's what they are. So we're all conditioned to think, oh, it's about the star. I mean, Peyton Pritcher is a classic Celtic. They drafted him like five years ago with a 26 pick. They develop him, bring him along slowly. Now they got him inked to a new contract. He's six men of the year. So this team is, this team's statistical.

over the long run would not be better than without Jason Tatum, but in short, brief stints without Jason Tatum. The stats tell you they're just as good if not better and more efficient. The ball moves a little better in all basketball when the superstars off the floor. Now, in the case of a Yokic, the nuggets can't score consistently without Yokic. In the case of the Bulls without Jordan, though, he left. they still won 55 games and could win a playoff series. So even when Michael Jordan left the Bulls for a year, okay,

and that's because the Bulls had the coach, great GM, excellent depth, they were better with him. The Celtics long term would be better with Jason Tatum. They would need his ability to be B plus to A minus and said everything. But last night, Orlando is a good team, and the Celtics are so good at drafting and developing, I mean, poor Zingis, they pretty much stole them. Derek White, they pretty much stole them.

And this is what they do. So it's not a criticism. It's the reality that when Washington was winning Super Bowls with Joe Gibbs, it was the coach and the culture. Joe Missoula, I mean, think about this. Who may had okay left? And we were like, oh, Joe Missoula, he's not ready to coach. A year later, you're like, yeah, he's fine.

Is he a great coach? Good enough when you have this kind of depth, this kind of roster. So not every team, despite the fact that we're all conditioned to really believe, I don't follow international soccer closely enough, but we're conditioned in that sport to believe, oh, I mean, if it was just about the great player, Messi would have six World Cups, right? The bottom line is the Celtics are built different. Their stars have been the GMs who have won every trade, who crush in development, who rock in free agency and regularly steal really good players.

J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, we're starting with our favorite talking quarterback in the league, and that's Brock Purdy. We love to debate him. Well, guess what? According to Diana Rusini, Purdy and the Niners are inching closer to a long-term extension that is expected to put Purdy among the top 10 highest paid quarterbacks, meaning he'll earn at least $51 million per season.

Now, I don't know where you are with the Purdy. Listen, let's say he signed a contract today and it made him the 10th highest. That means in a year he'd be the 13th highest. I'd be okay with that. That's fine. I have no, because you know every year there's three new quarterbacks that signed. But that's the thing. Who's next year?

I mean, I don't know that, like, CJ Stroud's not eligible yet for an extension. Listen, most of these quarterbacks, so for our radio audience, I apologize, but we have the highest paid quarterbacks in the league. There's only two of these contracts that bother me. DAC is massively overpaid. And I think at this point, Tua, because of his injury history is overpaid. I would defend Trevor Lawrence, because without him, I'm not sure if they have a franchise. He's the Ken Griffey of the Mariners. They paid him early.

Yeah. Remember, Dallas waited late to pay Dack. But I'm not bothered by any of these. Jordan Love, again, I think he's super talented. Tua because of his injury history and inability to play in cold windy weather bothers me a little bit. I'm sorry, Jordan Love's super talented. He's making $55 million a year more than two-time MVP Lamar. Super Bowl stud, Jalen Hertz,

Justin Herbert, who's better than Jordan loves, sorry. Like, you know, like, these guys are all, they're all in the same ballpark. I mean, it's not mean. But DAC making 60 should be much closer to Sam Darnold at 37. That's when your team,

again, I don't have a problem paying quarterbacks. But when you pay somebody like Dak 60, and he should be below the rest of these guys, that's two to three other players you could have on your roster. I just, I wonder where the audience is with this, like, is their Purdy fatigue.

Because Colin, this was supposed to be done early. Now we've heard 40 million, 50, 60. Like, dude, just get the deal done. What are we waiting for? If I heard, well, I mean, you say that. What are we waiting for? You're waiting for a better number. 47 million, that gives you a number two cornerback.

47 million is like multi-generational wealth for Brock Purdy and his family. Oh, you should take it. Yeah, you should take, drive it, go. Let's move on. But why is a team waiting? because the difference between paying somebody 54 and 46 can be a slot corner and a number two receiver. It can be two players.

Listen, you and I have been in many contract negotiations, okay? Yeah. They don't get dragged out over two months, do they? For a quarterback? Yeah, yeah, I think they do. Here's my hot take. I don't think the media has any clue what's going on and there's a lot of dart throwing because we've heard every number around the sun

and Brock Purdy, 50, 60. Okay? I would not be surprised if Brock Purdy actually hit the top of the market briefly in a team-friendly top-of-the-market deal just for that name recognition. You know, highest-paid quarterback in NFL history? You know how good that would look for Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant? You know how bad that would look for the Niners? Well, not if it's a team-friendly deal, and they structure it with, like,

incentives to get him to the highest-paid and all that fun stuff. I know what the Rams are rooting for. They're rooting for 60. always ask yourself on any deal. What is your rival think? If he signs a $58 million deal, they are popping champagne in the Rams facility. Because you're going to have a thinner roster.

And we got Stafford and you got Brock Purdy, and we have a better roster and a better quarterback. So would Brock Purdy have a market if he left the Niners right now? If the Niners said, sorry, we can't come to a deal. Go explore to what you can get. I think go ask everybody what happens to quarterbacks that leave Shanahan. How do they do? That's a fair question.

Matt Schaubb after Shannon. I mean, go ask yourself. What happened to Trey Lance? I mean, he wasn't hitting it there. Matt Ryan, if memory serves won an MVP with Shanahan. How do you do after? Yeah. I mean, just go ask yourself. So go ahead. Listen, there's bad GMs in this league. There are bad GMs in this league.

But the opposite for Shanahan is, hey, Brock Purdy has been amazing for two plus years. You want to just move on from him and find someone else? You know how hard it is? down on amazing. He had a losing record against playoff teams. Slow down on amazing. We can't do. We can't litigate Brock Purdy on the day of the NFL draft. Next story, Colin, is the draft

kicks off this evening. The Titans are going to take Cam Ward, number one. Everybody knows that. Here's what I didn't know. That people cannot stop comparing Cam Ward to Patrick Mahon. He's not. What are we doing? He's not. Now, the

staff gave me a list here of a bunch of quotes. Oh, boy. Listen, Bruce Feldman's my guy, you know, when he comes on the show. Cam Stroke is top 10 in the league immediately. His arm talent is ridiculous. There's still a lot of growth. Well, I'm not denying he's got a good arm. Colin, all week people have been saying that Cam Ward would be like the fifth quarterback

drafted last year. And now he's got a top 10 stroke. And you've got an anonymous AFC quarterback coach saying the natural comparison is Mahome and Caleb Williams? I don't, no. He's not. The disconnect is just massive. He'll be a good quarterback in a very weak division. You know, I'll say this about Cam Ward, offensive coach, good old line coach.

They've got a couple of nice receivers. I actually think this is a great, now, even though it's not a great organization, if you said to me right now, I'm a kid, weak division, offensive coach, O line coach is legendary, and be like, that's not the worst situation. We're going to find out about Brian Callahan. Brian Daibold was awesome with Josh Howard, right? Daniel Jones got to the playoffs and now it looks... I think we both pick Tennessee.

We both like Cam Ward enough. We've picked Tennessee to be a playoff team next year. No, I want to see what Callahan can do. Listen, you look great with Joe Burrow. What can you do with Cam Ward? Let's see it. So I just don't like this Mahomes comparisons. Of all the names, you're going to put Patrick Mahones there?

I mean, if anybody that said Ken O'Brien, you wouldn't have been freaking out. But anyways, final. story to the NBA, huge game tonight. Nick's Pistons, Games three. I'm nervous for my Knicks. This has become a really interesting series. The Pistons have outplayed them for probably seven of eight quarters. Yeah.

And Carl Anthony Towns is becoming a big story. Did not take a shot in the fourth quarter. That was not good. And Carmelo Anthony was on his podcast, 7 p.m. in Brooklyn, and he called out Katz performance. You got to demand that. You got to demand the ball. You got to demand,

Nicky, J.B., go, come on, let's get into one, four, five, one five pick and roll. You got to have the IACU to see that and allow, the coach got to be confident in that, too. Like, Kat got to be a lot more demanding of situations and demanding the ball. I'm not going through OG. I'm not playing through McKell. No knock to those guys. It's the money time.

we gotta close it out. Best player in the series is Cade Cunningham. That's become pretty clear. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Come on, he is special. He's better than J. LaBronsen? Oh, he's a much bigger, more athletic player. No question.

He's a number one pick, not a second rounder. See, that's, who cares? They were drafted. Well, I mean, Cade Cunningham, just, I mean, just look at Cade Cunningham's game. He can score. Does not need a screen, does not need a pick and roll. That game one, he wasn't great. No.

Where was he? Where was he in the fourth quarter when the next one on? 21-0-0-9-1. Okay? So let's not go overboard. I love Cade Cunningham. I could be a top-five point card. Players voted him the most underrated player in the league.

Well, I listen, I like Kate. That being said, here's what Carl Anthony Towns number. 56 touches in game one was down to 36 in game two. Now, he's the new guy. Remember, they kind of just added him, took a little while to figure it out. Can you, as the new guy, demand the ball?

When you got Jalen Brunson, one of the best closures in the league? I don't know that Carl Anthony Towns can be like, yo, I need the ball here, two minutes left. Jalen Brunson once again leads the playoffs and usage rate. It doesn't work. Small guys pump faking, dribbling the air out of the ball. It doesn't work.

And I remind you, Carl Anthony Towns was benched at times last year in Minnesota down the stretch. Well, he's a quirky player. But I'm just, if you're a remedy to win and turn this series around is more Jalen Brunson dribbling the air out of the ball. That's not going to, you may get past this. team, you'll be an exhausted mess next round. Well, one game at a time.

But if you had to guess the line, Knicks at Detroit tonight. I would say Knicks favored by one and a half. All right. I'm calling it up here. Whoa, Nick's favored by one and a half. It's not even on the screen. Nicely done. Are you taking the Knicks tonight?

It's a tough one. I think I would take the Knicks. Zig-Zag theory, right? Yeah, I would take the next. Nix are going to come out, fire breathing. Tibodo is going to get on his guys. This is the first playoff game in Detroit since like Where they're like in the series

An important game In like 15, 20 years I like Knicks. I mean this is this is a You know, one of the bigger games of the New York Knicks in the last several years. You go down, you go down 2-1 Not after going to a great run last year.

You don't want to lose in the first round. Yeah, well, this game If you lose this series It means you lost tonight You know, game three winner generally wins the series. Isn't there a number on that? I think there are some stats on that. So it's like if you lose this series, this creates question marks throughout the organization.

What do we do with Tibbs? What do we do with Carl Anthony Town? Michael Malone sitting on the sideline, Denver fired him. Yeah, I mean, if you start losing early in, like when Denver, when you start losing a series, you should win, all of a sudden Malone went into this year with the Nuggets on a very private hot seat. that the people upstairs start asking questions about the coach. And so if Tibbs loses to Detroit as a heavy favorite, I'm telling you, the off-season's not going to be,

yeah, we just need to tweak stuff. No, that's not what the off-season will be. This is a Brunson 40 piece tonight. Nick's win on the road. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news.

I saw a story this morning. So in 30 minutes from now, I'm going to give you my mock draft. I do one on draft day. This is what I think is going to happen. Now, in the history of drafting, if I could get, of my 15 picks, if I could get six right, I'd be overjoyed. We all know the first two, but there's a lot of rumors on two to three teams moving up.

I can tell you there are two different NFL teams that would like to move up for Travis Hunter. I have been told, by the way, Jacksonville loves Travis Hunter. That doesn't mean they're going to get him. So there's, it's not just people like Ashton Genty. There is a lot of Travis Hunter love. It is a starless draft and Travis Hunter, Cam Ward and Ashton Genty are stars in a starless draft. Throw in Abdul Carter.

You got four. Doesn't mean you don't have a bunch of good players. But so the Travis Hunter, this is not being discussed. There are multiple teams. I've been told two that would move up for Travis Hunter if they got the right deal. One of them, Jacksonville. But I saw this story this morning about the Cowboys. There's a lot of Cowboy rumors.

Now, I believe Jerry doesn't want to admit this because of pride and ego. I think the Cowboys are in a rebuild. Last year, their O line was ranked 25th. Then Zach Martin retired. And the left tackle they picked in the first round last year, Tyler Guyton, so far, it's early, it doesn't look good. So if you're rebuilding your O line with a B quarterback, to me, you're in a rebuild. Most of the really good Super Bowl level teams in this league, the Buffaloes, the Baltimore's, the Rams, the Packers, Detroit, Philadelphia, they have good O lines.

I mean, if you go look at the top offensive lines last year in the NFL, Philly, Denver, Tampa, Detroit, Buffalo, Green Bay Chiefs all made the playoffs. Seven of seven. Nine and ten, Ravens, commanders. So battle line rebuild. You're either a bad team or you're an average team in a rebuild. So if I was the Cowboys, I would trade Micah Parsons. I think in a week draft, he'd get you a first round pick. I would also trade down in the first round. So I think Dallas should attack offense. I think they should go after tight end, running back O line, wide receiver. And we've seen this before. Like the Rams have done this the last couple of years. We're going to attack the defense. Well, look at the Rams defense.

It's fantastic and getting better. And it's inexpensive. So if you're going to pay DAC 60 million, then you've got to give him help and you've got to make that investment work. The only way to make it work is moving off, Micah, getting another first round pick, trading down. They only have one elite star offensive player, C.D. Lamb. So to me, once you pay the quarterback, especially a B quarterback, A plus money, you've got to

make the investment work. And this is a good draft for tight end running back and some pretty good offensive tackles. So I would make moves. I would move down a draft pick. I would move Micah, and I would go aggressively for offensive help. But Jerry doesn't view it. And again, there's pride there. It's an offensive league.

If you don't have weapons, I don't care how good your defense is. I don't care. You're not winning multiple playoff games. And in this division now with Jaden Daniels, it's pretty obvious. You have the third best quarterback in the division. If you don't have one of the first two quarterbacks in the division, you're not going to be a consistent playoff team.

And also, I think we all admit, Brian Schottenheimer is not in the top 15 in the league and head coaches. The staff is pretty meager. So that's what I would do. There's a lot of rumors. I don't think it's that difficult. But again, the Packers don't have an owner. The Rams have one that doesn't meddle.

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There's a second one. There's two or three things that could happen. Jacksonville likes Travis Hunter. I don't think Cleveland's letting go at Travis Hunter. The Bears have their eye on a player. I don't think they have the ammo to get there. So, you know, these teams, now, by tonight it could change. But at the top of the hour, I'll do my draft picks.

All right, there's another story. And we've said this before. I don't think fans understand the egos and the dysfunction that exist in the NFL. It's really a mess. And Jordan Schultz said the Giants owner, Mara, love Josh Amher. Allen back when they took Sequin Barclay. And that he's always kind of been a little miffed that that would have been the franchise changer and they didn't do it.

So even though Joe Shane and Brian Daibal have summarily agreed we're not taking Shador Sanders, what if Mara just said, I want him? That could happen. Now, there's like two or three different kinds of owners in the NFL. There's Stan Cronky who doesn't meddle. Keeps his eye on everything doesn't metal. There's the Mara family. which doesn't meddle a lot, but makes a lot of bad decisions in crucial moments.

And then there's Jerry Jones who thinks he's a general manager. So there's about seven to eight to me really, really buttoned up franchises of the 32. I called them a tier one group. I think that's Buffalo, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit, right now, Kansas City, Rams, Green Bay, San Francisco. They miss on draft picks, but they're well-run ownership front office down. Then I think there's another tier where they mostly get it right. You know, Denver, Seattle, Chargers, Tampa, Houston, Minnesota, Washington, don't love the ownership in Houston like the GM in front office.

They've drafted well, smart, free agent, good head coach, quarterback, coordinators are fine. So after that, it's a lot of smoke and mirrors and nonsense. I've always said, I think the Ravens are the best run franchise in the league. And truthfully, Steve Boshchev, doesn't want it out there. He has huge influence, even on draft night. So, you know, some guys, Stan Cronky and Steve Boshati are great owners.

One of them is more into the football decisions. Bashati than Stan Cronky, but obviously Bishadis good because they draft well. There's just not a belief in the Giants building. Lance Zerlain talked about this yesterday. The GM and the coach, here we go. So that's what I've heard. And so I don't think Shadur Sanders is in play at three at all. I think they like for you to believe it.

It seems like there's a lot of teams that want you to believe that they're in on Shador Sanders because they think they're going to elicit a phone call and a trade-up. I don't think it's going to happen. I think he goes 21 to the Pittsburgh Steelers. And just to say this on the Giants, you can keep blaming the players and the coaches, but they got one playoff win in 10 years. I mean, they have the worst record in the NFL since 2012. Raiders first, giant second, and it's neck and neck.

Five head coaches, 10 starting quarterbacks, 10 losing seasons, one playoff win since 2011. That's ownership. You can't keep blaming. I mean, somebody hired Joe Judge. Was Joe Judge that impressive in person? Really? Ben McAdoo.

Pat Shermer. Like some of these moves, you know, first thing I do is text people. What do you think about this move? move. Very rarely, and this includes now, you saw it on HBO Max, do people say, Giants are buttoned up. They don't. And that stuff, every bad company, I mean, I've been lucky. I've worked at six or seven companies in my life, one really bad one. Why was it bad? It wasn't the employees. It was the people upstairs. So, okay, so we were talking about this. Jay Mack and I disagree a little bit. So your reputation matters.

So Draymond Green, officials have their eye on Draymond Green, and she, should because of his reputation. You'll see this all the time in basketball where a coach will take an official and say, hey, this guy, watch this guy, watch this guy. So Amin Thompson has a reputation. I mean, remember the foul on Janus? Last time he does this foul and everybody's like, no, I don't see it as a big deal. It's a go either way thing.

Social media wanted him ejected forever. Did he get pushed? Here's the issue why I think there's at least an argument. Go look at his career. So this is a guy that tackled Janus. Remember the play years ago with Janus? I mean, that's violent. That's who he is.

I mean, look at this. That is ugly. Remember the Tyler Hero moment. So he got toe to toe with Tyler Hero of the Miami Heat and slammed him to the floor. So we got video of that as well. So when you have these multiple moments, you are going to be officiated differently. It's like having kids, and one kid's always in trouble. So if trouble persists in the house, my guess is of all my kids, it's probably the troublemaker

in my house. So I didn't think last night was severe. It's not outrageous. It's not the 70s, 80s, 90s. And there's an argument, even though there are camera angles where it's like, Traymond Green did not push him. But I also wouldn't be outraged if the league said, Butler's out of game, you're out of game.

I don't think it's going to happen, but I wouldn't be outraged by it. Now, Steve Kerr said we didn't see it as a problem. It looked like there were some physicality on the rebound, and I think Thompson just inadvertently found himself underneath Jimmy just based on the tug of war that was going on there. So, I mean, we didn't think there was anything wrong with the play. Okay, so J-Mack, let's look at it. Was it inadvertent?

Considering his history? The dirtiest play in this game involved Draymond Green, sorry to report. But it wasn't on this play. Doesn't it seem like a thicket? If you watch Potsmsky, he's pushing Stephen Adams. But watch him, watch him go on. That video doesn't show it. That angle doesn't show it.

But if you look at the other angle, you'll see pods pushing Stephen Adams, and Draymond kind of slips. So there's a bunch of guys in there, and Thompson loses his balance. I don't think it's dirty. The Yonis play was really dirty. Well, that was violent. Yeah, and listen, people need to realize that Lakers Timberwolves game combined with this. These are rock fights.

Everybody who romanticizes 90s NBA basketball, you're watching these games. You really think this is good basketball? I don't like this, Colin. I don't think it's visually appealing. The reason I think the league has to at least have a discussion on this is amend Thompson's history and Jimmy Butler is a star. And quarterbacks and stars in the NBA, it's different. It just is. You don't have to like it.

Let's say Butler misses game three. Do you think the Warriors can still win that without him at home? No. Now, again, Jalen Green was amazing and he is all over the match. But he's not going to be as bad as he was in game one. No, no, but if he had seven, a nine instead of 38, you'd be like, yeah, yeah. I'm again, this to me doesn't rise to I'm outraged. I thought it, it, I don't think the league will do anything.

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