The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Thunder Bounceback

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Colin Cowherd gives his thoughts on the Thunder's bounceback win in Game 2 of the NBA Finals, Aaron Rodgers finally signing in Pittsburgh, why the Knicks were far too impulsive when firing Tom Thibodeau, and more! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Things are good. But I got to tell you, watching Oklahoma City, it's not going to be a ratings bonanza. They are business-like. They are a business-like organization. They're very young, and Indiana's got their hands full. Using a B word, I would use B-word. That's what I thought of game, too. Yeah.

Third quarter, blowouts. So let's start with that. First of all, let's start. I've never liked seven-game NBA series. Baseball's different because you have to work your way through the starting staff. But basketball, March Madness, beats the NBA ratings in the playoffs normally with far less talent. And the reason is it's sudden death basketball.

One bad call, one bad possession, it's over. And there's a reason a hundred meter dash is more interesting than the marathon at the Olympics. So this series feels small. Game 1's Thursday. Game 2 is Sunday. Game 3 is Wednesday. I'm forgetting about this series. That is a forgetful business-like series for OKC.

There are eight. This is one of these games, another downside to a long series, seven games, even five games. There will be games built into a series that you know the winner before the tip off. And last night, I'm sorry, OKC was winning that game and they were going to win it comfortably. I mean, you've got Aaron Wiggins is hot, and Jalen Williams and Alex Caruso, forget SGA who's going to break all sorts of playoff records. But, I mean, OKC has not lost back-to-back home games all season. You have to go to last year for them to do that when they were even younger, and SGA is getting better every year. So that game was decided.

We can pick apart Halliburton's slow start. You know, they made their customary run. This is what the Pacers do. They fall behind. They can start very slow, but here they come from behind. and they've done this through the entire playoffs, but the rosters aren't necessarily that even I like Indiana's roster. I love Oklahoma City's roster,

but through two games, OKC has led for 91 minutes, and through two games, Indies led for two. And that's kind of the series. So this series does not have a lot of star power. Obviously, I don't think market, size of markets, matters that much. I mean, I think the highest rated NBA final ever included Utah, so I don't think it matters that much, but there's not a lot of star power.

and even SGA's game is very business-like. It's not dynamic. It's not flashy. And it's not going to be a series we talk about much in-between games. Oklahoma City is going to dominate it statistically. The question is, Oklahoma City is so young, and they've never been here before. Are they going to get tight when they go back home or a chance in Indiana to seal it? Is this young team going to get tight?

Because the best player in this series is SGA. I'm looking at numbers this morning. running 30 plus points, five assist games. He's tied with LeBron and Michael Jordan, and he's going to blow through that. But he's not necessarily a fascinating player. And there are a lot of businesses and teams that are efficient and they're calculated and they're highly productive and they're not that interesting. This series feels like that Saturday Night Live when the celebrity host doesn't have a lot of star power

and you're kind of wishing Tom Hanks would host it again or Bill Murray would host it again or anybody not named Stephen Seagall would host it again, just anybody to host it that you've heard of and that you care about and the band's not very good and there's no star power. We need a Dramon Green in this series, something inappropriate, anything. It feels very business-like to me.

And the team that has led 91 of the minutes is the team we all thought would lead 91 of the minutes. And here is about to be record-breaking SGA on evening the series. You can't just... throw the first punch you got to try to throw all the punches all night um and yeah that's what we did we threw enough punches tonight to get a w you know this is where our feet are this is where we are and um you can't go back in the past you can only try to make the future better so that's what i'm focused on all right so uh i was gone calling right Colin wrong uh in about an hour from now

and matt hasselbeck so i was gone there was some news with erin rogers who's not nearly as interesting as he used to be but it is news the pittsburgh steers are top four or five brand. And Aaron, over the last 15 years, has been a top four or five brand in the NFL discount double check guy, like a lot of ads, a lot of commercials, now some controversy. So he signed with the Steelers. But my takeaway on this is when the stories came out over the last three days, quarterbacks can be a lot of things in the NFL. They can be small, Kyler Murray. They can be old Brady was, Joe Flacco. They can be unorthodox, Philip Rivers. They can be kind of unathletic or the second best quarterback in the family, Eli Manning.

But they can't be weird. Head coaches and quarterbacks can't be weird. Even if you're quirky, go be a kicker. You start looking at the stories that came out. According to Adam Schaefter, Aaron Rogers was the Steelers' third choice. They wanted Matt Stafford and they wanted to keep Justin Fields. Here's another story from another reporter, Sean McVeigh. Aaron Rogers offered the Rams a major discount, obviously a house in Maloney,

Bahoo wanted to play for the Rams in McVeigh, they offered him nothing. So he went to the Rams, told his agent, I'll play for the cheapest deal possible. McVeigh passed. Oh, by the way, the Vikings, Kevin O'Connell. According to another reporter, Rogers had major interest playing for the great play caller, Kevin O'Connell. Not interested. And that office story I'll talk about later, Ross Tucker says,

Vikings aren't sure J.J. McCarthy's the guy. What's that tell you? Even Aaron Glenn with a Jets, a defensive coach, they don't have a quarterback. First thing he did is we get Aaron Rogers in that weird meeting, almost uncomfortable meeting, out of the building. So all these secret marriages and ayahuasca and darkness retreats

and passive, aggressive nonsense, and conspiracy theories, weird doesn't work because weird is unpredictable. and you want your coach to be predictable and your quarterback, even if he's limited, even if he's unathletic, even if he's small, even if he's old, you want to know what you're getting on Sunday and in camp and at halftime. And with Aaron, because the NFL is unpredictable. And when adversity strikes in the NFL, which is, by the way, the second quarter of week one after Labor Day,

the league's all about adversity, and you're not sure what you get with Aaron. So he wasn't this odd, he wasn't this combative in his prime, but people age differently based on a lot of factors. Aaron got old and rich and for a long time was single and now he's got a wedding ring so he's not. And I guess I'm happy for him. But who knows? I just know this. All these great quarterbacks in this league, the Lamar Jackson's and the Joe Burroughs and the Josh Allen's and the C.J. Strouds. And obviously the Patrick Mahalms and the Justin Herberts are all totally committed.

None are weird. They're kind of predictable. You know what you get and Aaron's not. and I've had two general managers in the league tell me over the last couple years, Aaron comes off as odd. You're not really sure what you get. A lot of a passive aggressive stuff. Nobody wants to deal with that.

And so I think Aaron's career, when you hear about Sean McVeigh saying, nah, Kevin O'Connell, nah, I thought Kyle Shanahan would be interested. Apparently that was a nah. Aaron Glenn, no thanks. Mike Tomlin, Adam Schaefter reports third choice. They wanted Justin Fields. who by the way, when you go back and look at the Pittsburgh theater, Justin Fields' numbers, we'll talk about that later.

They weren't terrible. So I think Aaron's career is ending the way a lot of careers end for relatives and musicians and actors, that the hat they wear becomes a little bit more tinfoil. They start doing their own homework. And when you got all these offensive coaches who have watched Aaron Rogers, probably at some point, worshipped Aaron Rogers, who would have loved to when his prime had Aaron Rogers, all say, even at a discount, double check. Nah, no thanks.

Aaron's aging the way weird ages. J. Matt, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, top of next hour. There's a lot of things going on right now in the NFL, because you know what happens? My guy should order Sanders. So OTAs are voluntary, right? Starting tomorrow, mini camps are mandatory. So tomorrow, J-Mack, old Shadour Sanders, with all the veterans in tow in Cleveland.

Are you ready for what I think, remember a couple years ago? You and I know this, that the offseason in the NFL, our job is basically football season and then waiting for football season. And you go through all these camps and what do they mean and what do they not mean? Exhibition season doesn't mean anything anymore. Nobody plays. And a couple years ago, we were all into the Kenny Pickett dilemma or the Kenny Pickett story. like how is he going to be in Pittsburgh?

The Chador Sanders story is that. But my take is Shadur Sanders is much better than Kenny Pickett, but it's one of these AFC North teams, and we're all waiting for this quarterback. So tomorrow is official. Shadur with the veterans in camp. And you know what veterans do, J. Mack?

They leak stuff to the press. Yeah, interesting. You know, my favorite part of your vacation was when you took time off of cycling around Europe to chime in on social media about how great Shedur's it. Anders was. Meanwhile, he's not even throwing a first teamers, Colin. I know that irked you. I'm sure you saw Cam Newton came after me, upset with my Shadour take. Listen, I'm just going to rock with Tufanski.

If he likes Dylan Gabriel, I like Dylan Gabriel. If he likes Kenny Pickett, I like Kenny Pickett. I think Kevin Tafansky doesn't really love Shadour at this point. And that's fair to say, right? Yes, I have, I want to talk about this because I think all of us in the media are forgetting about the most important factor with Shadur Sanders, and it's not Shadour and it's not his dad. And I'll tell you what that factor is coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, we're Kavino and Rich. Fox Sports Radio every day, 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern. But here's the thing. We never have enough time to get to everything we want to get to.

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Okay, Shadur Sanders has two things going for him. And don't kid yourself, this is how the league works. The owner of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslam, is really impulsive. He drafted Johnny Mansell over better quarterbacks. He drafted Baker Mayfield. He signed to Sean Watts into a ridiculous guaranteed deal despite all sorts of allegations personally against him. Horrible contract. Probably the league's worst contract.

and in a quarterback room with zero star power, except Shadur Sanders, he's going to get a chance. And, I mean, this is a owner. They don't have the Cedars roster or legacy. They're not as well run as Pittsburgh, and they don't have Joe Burrow. So that's the first thing. There's a lot of belief in the NFL that Jimmy Haslam is the reason that of all the teams, Cleveland, finally drafted Shadur Sanders. he is desperate to be recognized and for star power. The second thing Cleveland has going for it, Shudur has going for it,

is Cleveland's roster is the weakest easily in the division and the early schedules brutal. Not only are five of the first six teams they face playoff teams, but the first five teams they play are all top ten offenses, and there's a lot of flashy quarterbacks, Jordan Love and Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. So you think old Joe Flacco, dull Kenny Panky, ticket. Small Dylan Gabriel, when the team's getting beat 33 to 17, and the quarterback for the

Browns look small and old and average against exciting Jordan Love and Lamar Jackson or brilliant Joe Burrow or, again, highly productive Jared Goff. Even in week six, it's Aaron Rogers, who will be the biggest star in the building. So my prediction, you start looking at that schedule between week seven and ten, Chador Sanders is going to get a shot here. Shadour's on this roster because Jimmy Haslam wanted him on the roster. My guy, the former NFL scout John Middilcoff, was the first to say it. They drafted Dillon Gabriel around before he should have been drafted so they could get out of Chador Sanders sweepstakes.

And as J. Mack pointed out, I don't think Stafansky's in love with Shador Sanders. Even though I think he's a likable kid, I thought the draft room was a little much. but I'm going to make a prediction here. Haslam is starving for a star quarterback. He doesn't have the Ravens roster. He doesn't have Burrow. He doesn't have the Steelers brand. It's a weak roster that really, I mean, they're an injury or two away,

maybe one injury away from having the weakest wide receiver room in the league. Cross your fingers with Jerry Judy, staying healthy. So this is a team that's going to be boring offensively. You know what will make him not boring? Shador Sanders taking snaps, win or lose? J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, let's be legendary, Colin. Let's start with Aaron Rogers, your favorite quarterback. So we know he's signed in Pittsburgh, but there were a lot of reports last week that he was waiting for Minnesota. Well, now stuff's coming out of Minnesota. that they decided to pass on your boy Rogers because they saw a three-year window to win a championship right now

with J.J. McCarthy because he's on his rookie deal. Obviously missed all of last year, but because he's on the rookie deal, they can pay Justin Jefferson all of the money. They're able to fortify in free agency that defense is low-key nasty. Like, seriously, one of the quietest good defenses in the league led by Brian Flores. They've got a good offensive line member,

Darisal will come back from Ingram. I believe everybody's sleeping on Minnesota. It all comes down to McCarthy. Do you think they could win a Super Bowl in the next three years with Kevin O'Connor Paul in the shots? No, listen, all you need to see is all the flirting the Vikings have done with Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones and Aaron Rogers. Would you flirt like that if you were with the person you wanted to marry? No, they're flirting because they don't know exactly what they have and there's concerns about J.J. McCarthy and a second surgery and he's kind of small and he only threw the ball 30 times once in college. These are all the things I had said when he came out.

I don't see it. I don't see a franchise guy that you can sit and drop back 42 times in a division with, I think, just better offensive quarterbacks or O lines. So here's Caleb Williams and then Jared Goff and then Jordan Love. And I think if you have the third of the fourth best quarterback talent in your division, you can't just hope that you're brilliant coach. And I think Kevin O'Connell is really smart. You can't have him out skiing.

you can't win in this league by out-scheming. At some point, you have to have players to win games. I mean, Andy Reid was not winning Super Bowls, and he was out-scheming everybody for 10 years in Philly. You've got to have players. We've got to a Super Bowl. But let me point this out. There have a lot of similarities between these Vikings

and what the Niners did with Brock Purdy, right? They realize, oh, this guy's really good. He can process quickly and deliver the ball. Shucks! He could be our guy, and we have a long Super Bowl window because he's cheap. They get to the NFC title game. He gets hurt.

Then they get to the Super Bowl. Like, I don't know why that blueprint can't work for J.J. McCarthy. Kevin O'Connell is as good of a scheme guy as Kyle Schenahan, no? But Brock Purdy, do his credit, had to carry Iowa State. And there's a history in the NFL that quarterbacks in college that don't play with stars, the trail that have to basically drive the offense like Brock Purdy had to, like Jared Goff had to, like Aaron Rogers at Cal had to. these quarterbacks like J.J. McCarthy that come out, never throwing the ball 30 times,

rarely trailing, having better players in all but one game of the year, you get it to the NFL. And the other thing about him, so I just don't see it. I think Michigan, the last two years at Michigan, felt like a Saban Alabama team. Great run game, great protection, star receivers, always leading, unbelievable defense, always had the best coach. That's the opposite of the NFL. Sorry, I'm not buying the college stuff. You know, what's his name? The Niners.

Brock Purdy was like 6 and 5 at Iowa State. Patrick Mahomes had a losing record. Forget that. No, it's not about that. But Purdy was asked to carry his college team. Aaron was asked to carry Cal. Philip Rivers was asked to carry North Carolina State. Matt Ryan, B.C.

J.J. McCarthy turned and handed the ball off for three years. That's not, you're not, that's not an NFL life. Isn't there a world where Kevin O'Connell says, I'm not going to have McCarthy throw 25 or 30 times anyway. Look at the Darnold model last year, Colin. The less Darnold through, the more successful they were. Okay, but that's that ideally you're right. But it's the NFL. You're going to have to throw 38 times a game six times because defenses get it.

Remember, defensive players get hurt. That division's got all. Now you got Ben Johnson in that division. Chicago's got out. You're going to get into track meets in that division. Matt Lafleur, Ben Johnson. Dan Campbell. You have offensive coaches there. Yeah, see, I am nervous going all in on the Vikings,

but it worked for you last year with your Washington prediction, your Denver. So now I'm going heavy Vikings. We'll see how it works out for me. All right. Next up is Lamar Jackson, Colin. I feel like we do this every summer with him. He missed the second week of OTAs last week after it comes that GM Eric DeCosta discussed an extension talk with Jackson. However, Sean Harbour,

is not concerned that Lamar missed five of six OTA sessions. For any players, how they play. I'm not measuring, you know, really the attendance. I mean, it's a voluntary camp, you know, so not measuring that. I mean, I love being out here, and I think all the players do. When Lamar's out here, I promise you, he loves being out here. You could see it when he was out here. Yeah.

It doesn't bother me. It's not the end of the world. He's in his prime. He's totally committed. I'm fine. It's not, by the way, he's been to this organization, how many straight years? When you're a new guy on a new team, I want you at OTAs. When you're an older quarterback, I want you committed, focused, learning new teammates.

As quarterbacks get older, sometimes it's harder to relate and connect with young receivers. But if you've been with a friend, if Mahomes misses an OTA or Josh Allen or Lamar, they know the offense, they know the coach, they know the coordinator, they know the personnel, Lamar's fine. So this is no big deal. Your star player, two-time MVP, just no show. No, no. He's not new. He knows the personnel in the playbook. He's good.

You know, I know the personnel on the playbook here, Colin. I think next week I'm going to bounce. Is that cool? He's just got a no-show. By the way, I couldn't believe the stat. Our guys found it. Lamar passed up on $750,000. That's his bonus for attending 80% of off-season activities.

Because he missed so many OTAs, he can't hit that anyway. He just said, I don't need $7,000. $750,000. I would rather, I don't know what he's doing. But Cullen, like, listen, we do this every summer with Lamar, every single summer. Yeah. At some point, you know, maybe show up. Well, I don't feel it's like Luca Donchage, where he's playing himself into shape.

He comes into the season an impeccable shape. And I can see Lamar Jackson saying, guys, I'm good here. I'm good. And by the way, I think Lamar feels he's a little bit under. paid in the league. This is his, well, whatever. This is his sort of. He's winning 76% of his games. But again, I think it goes back to this. Same coach, same personnel, same division, same quarterback, Zay Flowers, Derek Henry. He now, and he'll show up to mandatory mini-camp. But it, but it, an OTA for a guy who knows the system and the coach and the staff, it just doesn't bother me.

We'll wrap with this like, I do believe Burrow Mahomes and Josh Allen will all show up. That's just my prediction. And Lamar will be one of the big four. You know, you got the, what do they call it, the magnificent seven stocks? You got the big four in the NFL. If three of four show up and Lamar doesn't, not a great look. Final story, Colin, is Janus. Everybody's waiting for the big guy.

Is he going to demand a trade? Will he not? Well, there's growing skepticism about whether he will actually request a trade, adding, according to this report, executives will believe it when they see it. And another report, because everybody's got one on Yannis, claims that every team in the NBA

has called the bucks, every single one about Yonis. And Colin, there is an interesting parallel here, and that's the Kauai Leonard move, right? Kauai was not going to sign an extension anywhere, but Toronto was willing to roll the dice. Do you think someone's willing to roll the dice for Yonis for two years?

because that changes the equation, right? Well, yeah, I mean, look at the era we're in right now. If OKC wins the title, what is it, seven champions in seven years, if I was an owner or a general manager, and I could bring in Janus, and I felt for two years I could be a favorite or a co-favorant to win a title, yeah, I would strongly consider it. It depends on what I have to give up. But again, I look at Houston.

Well, Houston's not as good as OKC, period. And as Wemby develops, if they add, First of all, they now have not only Wemby, but they have two other star young players and the Aaron Fox. So if I'm Houston and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, I don't know what Jalen Green's going to be. You can't touch a men Thompson. But what is Houston?

Is Houston going to become the Sacramento Kings that could never beat the Lakers? Because I think Wemby is going to, those young players in San Antonio are going to rise. And I think O'KC's head and shoulders above everybody else. What is Houston? If I'm Houston and have to make a deal, which is really front heavy for the organization, where I don't know the middle and late outcomes,

I think you have to consider it. I think in this league now, you got to be aggressive. Things change fast. Be aggressive. Totally agree. I thought the Knicks were out of it, but this Jason Kidd stuff that bubbled up all weekend.

You know, Jason Kidd and Yannis are tight from their time in Milwaukee. And I think my guess is the Knicks are back in the Yannis mix, and that's going to be a big story here in the coming weeks. I don't know what they give up. Everything except Carlantic Towns and Bridges. Take them. They're yours.

Well, that's not good enough. Well, not really, but what other, what are you betting against? Like, are you, is Stefan Castle going to do it? I still, I'll throw it out there. Boston. Jalen Brown, expiring contracts. I don't know.

I want an all-star. If you go to Houston, Shengoon, you know, I don't want Jalen Green, but you got to give me an All-Star. I got to get an All-Star back. Carlante Towns is an all-N-B-A. Forget All-Star. Does I sell you on that? Yeah. Jay Mack with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. So when I was gone, I want to address this, the Knicks fired Tom Tibado, Colin Wright, wrong, top of next hour, 30 minutes away. That'll be in it. I wouldn't have done that. The last two to two and a half years, the Knicks have been something.

They haven't been in 25 years. The Knicks have been something in the last two years. I'll say it again, they haven't been in 25 years. Well run. Organized. Patient. James Dolan has owned this team for a long time, 1999. The last two years are the first time the Knicks.

I've had back-to-back 50-win seasons. So James Dolan, at his core is an artist. He's emotional. He's in a band. He's an artist. He inherited cable vision. Is he a businessman?

Well, sure. A lot of artists, Mick Jagger's a businessman, too. So it's Paul McCartney. But the reason the sphere is so brilliant, and it works for Dolan, it's his vision, because he's an artist. It's right in his wheelhouse. And for two years, as he was building the sphere,

and the vision for the sphere, which if you haven't gone and I haven't, but it's remarkable. There's nothing else like it in the world. And James Dolan deserves a lot of credit for the sphere. But he removed himself from the day-to-day stuff. He's a very emotional guy. He's an artist. It really is.

His dad's the businessman. He's the artist. He removes himself from the Knicks. And it's just World Wide Web. It's Tibbs. It's Leon Rose. And they ran a very highly patient and competent basketball operation. and they built a great culture.

They built an excellent roster. It's smart. It feels like Villanova professionally. It's tough. It's a really good basketball operation. But Dolan was guiding the Sphere project. And for those two years, he was sort of removed, at least emotionally, from the Knicks. And in the process, they built a great culture.

And so again, he's owned him since like 99. And these are the best back-to-back years since he bought him. So it's pretty obvious the artist can kind of sort of, sort of a little bit get in the way of some basketball stuff. And remember, Dolan was never a huge fan of Tibbs. So Dolan, the artist, like Star Power. Isaiah Thomas coach. Phil Jackson, General Man, Carmelo Anthony, Amari Stodomier.

That's what he loved. Tibbs is a grinder, a defensive guy, a workaholic. He's sort of gruff. He doesn't feel like a star, even though an end. NBA circles. He's highly respected. So I sort of look at the, even Mike Dan Tony, when they hired Mike Dan Tony, he was Mr. Offense, remember from Italy. It was kind of a sexy hire. That was all Dolan. And Tibbs isn't really of Dolan's DNA. They're not the same guy. So I think the firing here was sort of inevitable. I don't love it. I think, and this happens a lot, is that, listen,

Jim Ursay was a fascinating man, totally complex, wonderfully charitable, a really neat complex human being, with obviously some demons in a dark side. I think there's an argument the Colts will be more centered and more patient and less impulsive, even though he was a wonderful human being. Owners drive the bus. We forget about this. Most of them aren't stand cronky. like a lot of artists.

They inherit the wealth. They're very impulsive. They've always had money. They want their way. They're all very unique and different. And Dolan is really got a feel for music and entertainment and star power and art. I don't doubt any of it. But when he removed himself from the Knicks and the Sphere had his attention for two years,

they built a hell of a basketball culture. It's a really good team. Even the cat move. I like. And so this firing to me feels a little impulsive. This is a players league. The Knicks need another score. I don't think it was a Tibbs issue. In fact, last year, we were like, ah, they're worn down, they practiced too hard. This team did not run out of gas. They didn't practice too hard. That was not the issue with this team. They needed another catch and shoot guy like KD. And the cat and Brunson on the floor at the same time,

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If you, Jay Mack and I were talking about SGA is not really a fascinating player. He's just a great player. But if you start looking at a lot of these teams, I just saw a story this weekend, Wembe, is he going to be? become a monk. That story was on the internet. And SGA and Yokic and Jason Tatum, I'm not disputing how good the players are. They're not fascinating people. Jordan was fascinating. He was a meteor. LeBron and staff and magic. And a lot of these stars now, they're international, they're stoic, they're like mature above their ages. I mean, I wasn't as mature as Jason Tatum or SGA if I'd I had that money at that age.

And so what's happening in the NBA is there was a certain level, and I think a lot of it's this. It used to be that everybody was fighting for a piece of the pie. Now these guys are all rich. And they're not as combative. And they're not as feisty. And they're tremendous. They're more skilled.

They get better coaching. They have better training. They eat better. But there's not a lot of, you know, it's business life. There's so much money in professional basketball now. You don't hear stories of NBA guys as often going broke. And you do documentaries on that. And the fights and the, why would you want to get into a fight?

Everybody's rich. The coaches are rich. The commissioners rich. The owners are rich. The players are rich. The assistant coaches are rich. Between the pensions and the salaries, the league just signed a $76 billion deal.

There's not a lot of dysfunction in the NBA. I mean, it overwhelmingly, it used to be almost, like hockey that every NBA team had a tough guy. You had a very low-skilled Charles Oakley, or you had a guy that, a Rodman. I remember, though there's a guy for a Sonics, was it Dennis Autry, I remember. You'd have a tough guy. You'd have a tough guy who would protect your star, like somebody skating with Gratsky and protecting him. And the league now is much more functional. It may be a little too political for some people's taste, but it's functional. It's more mature.

Even though the players come into the league younger, it's more international. It's more European. And it doesn't necessarily make it more fascinating. It just makes it more talented and skilled. Like everybody looks at Halliburton and they're like, oh, he's a trash talker. How does anybody not like Halliburton? He's like the most likable guy in the league. He's constantly smiling.

And so there was some, I was saying this series needs Draymond Green. It needs a second rounder with a chip on his shoulder. It needs Rodman. It needs Bill Lambere. It needs a Kurt Rambus. It needs somebody that's a little off-center. But these guys now are, there's so much money. They've got trainers.

They eat right. They go to bed. They're not going out to the nightclubs. I mean, James Harden, obviously. They've got a jersey retired at a Houston strip joint for him. You know, God love him. But by and large, the players are younger. They're more skilled.

They're more mature. They're bigger stars. They make more money with shoes and their contracts. And so I've said this about Jason Tatum. He's got no aura. He's just really talented. They didn't have any aura. I keep waiting for Ant.

I'm not sure if he wants the mantle to be the greatest player. So I think we've just segueed to a different time in the NBA where the skill level is through the roof. But it doesn't always make for fascinating basketball. I was thinking about this, that there's a story. Pro football talk doesn't necessarily love Aaron Rogers. That's fine. They were saying the acquisition of Aaron Rogers.

is more desperado than renegade, kind of a desperate move. Regardless of what you think, here's what is interesting about Aaron Rogers to the Steelers. And the Steelers are a huge brand, and Aaron, although a regressing brand, is still, you know, if he's on television playing, he's always interesting to watch. But last year, Justin Fields, Mike Tomlin sat Justin Fields. But if you go to Justin Fields' numbers last year and his six starts for the Steelers, it's pretty interesting. Four touchdowns, two picks,

10 total touchdowns, only two giveaways. His completion percentage, I think, was the best of his career at 66.5%. His passer rating was 94. So if you extrapolate that over 17 games, Justin Fields would have had, he'd have been a pro bowler. He would have been 11 and 6

with 28 touchdowns and six turnovers with a 94 passer rating. Now, would that have been the case necessarily? Well, I'm just telling you, If you, six games, it's not a small sample size. That's more than a third of the NFL season. And I'm not a huge Justin Fields fan, but he's young, people like him. He's athletic.

I'll argue all day. Dude's got a whip. He's got an arm. You can say what you want about a kid can move. He's got an arm. I don't think he sees the field particularly well, kind of the Zach Wilson issue. But he's got traits. And if you go to Aaron Rod, and again, we'll show some video of him.

There's no question he does things that are special. It's just, does he see the field? I don't think he does. But if you go to Aaron Rogers' numbers last year in New York, they were awful. And just for our radio audience, it's like passer rating was just 90, 28 TDs, 13 giveaways, 5 and 12. We could say, well, the Steelers are a much better run organization than the Jets. I'm not disputing that. But if Aaron Rogers numbers are as good of what Justin Fields'

numbers could have been, had he been allowed to play 17 games, you would be overjoyed with that. So my guess on what Aaron's season looks like, I'll put my projection up. He's 8 and 9 or 9 and 8. He'll miss a couple of games. I think the offensive line's pretty average. No Najee Harris. D.K. Metcalfe will be productive with Aaron. They're in 8 and 9, 9 and 18.

They start reasonably well. But Aaron gets banged up, misses a couple of starts. But I do think it's interesting to note that this idea that, well, the production, this is why there's a story out that Aaron was the third choice. They wanted Matt Stafford. Well, Matt Stafford's in a different level than Aaron. Right now it's not particularly close. But if Justin Fields, this idea that Aaron's going to elevate the quarterback position,

go to go with Justin Fields did in six starts. And I'm not a huge Justin Fields fan. But it's pretty good. And you know, he's bigger than Aaron. He runs better than Aaron. He doesn't have the release of Aaron, but he's a much more dynamic athlete than Aaron. And behind an average offensive line with no Naji Harris,

there's an argument to be made that Justin Fields would have been the better fit. Just an argument. Okay, so this is interesting. This is interesting. So now, the majority of fans are usually not right when it comes to sports gambling, right? otherwise they wouldn't be building gigantic casinos and the draft kings of the world wouldn't be doing as well but this is interesting betters north carolina to go under seven and a half wins now remember bellichick and carolina are in the acc it is an awful conference it's the weakest

major conference right now the four i think the big 10's the best SEC is close uh big 12 is third Big 12's got some Utah's in Kansas State and, you know, I mean, that BYU is Houston, they're feisty programs. ACC's a mess. So basically the betters to go under seven and a half wins with this dog food schedule is incredible by both the total number of wagers and the total dollars wagered under seven and a half wins. So what's interesting about new coaches, especially star coaches, let's consider Dion Sanders, Colorado, Mario Cristobal, Miami, Lincoln Riley, USC, and Brian Kelly, LSU. And LSU is a great football brand. Carolina is not with Belichick. All of them struggled. Cristobal went five and seven. Dion went four and eight, and we all bragged about that he tripled wins. Now, Lincoln Riley did win 11 games first year, but it was a house of cars.

They didn't have any NFL players, not any good ones except Caleb. So, and he's unproven. So Belichick's an NFL coach. So these people pounding the under, it's fascinating because he's an NFL coach. So there's not a lot of NFL coaches that have crushed at the college level. Players have classes. Players have distractions. You're on a college campus.

You've got to deal with the NCAA, whatever that is. Also, there's limitations. for practice time. My biggest issue is the staff. So Belichick's got two of his sons on it and Mike Lombardi's sons. And it may work, Mike Lombardi's son. It may work. But it feels like it's more about like allies and cronies and loyalists to Bill Freddie Kitchens.

It's not a great staff. It's sons. It's people he trusts. And maybe that explains. the Jordan Hudson relationship and UNC and she's his social muse, whatever. But that's my issue with it. I don't think it's a great staff. And when Ryan Day just won a national championship at Ohio State, he hired Chip Kelly.

He didn't hire a relative. And when Jim Harbaugh, and you think of John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh's rival is his brother. He's not on the staff. So football is not a family reunion or a backyard barbecue. Let's all get together. That's just not what it is. So it's fascinating that the most bet in terms of total number of bets and the money wagered, the biggest bet in college football in future bets is under on North Carolina.

And again, I think I would go over just because the ACC is so awful, but it's fascinating. Maybe it's the Jordan Hudson effect. He's distracted. I don't know. But that is interesting. And I think one thing that is clear, Lincoln Riley, Christobal, Dion Sanders, Brian Kelly, that first year, the NIL, you can go buy players.

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