The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Tua, Dolphins, Bengals

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

Colin reacts to the scary head injury Tua Tagovailoa suffered on Thursday Night Football and why we need to do more to protect football players from themselves Bengals head coach Zac Taylor continues ...to have struggling offense   Guest: Demarcus WareSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:50 It is great to have you in J. Mack on a Friday. A pretty scary moment last night watching. I thought Miami actually all things considered what they had to deal with, the emotion of losing their quarterback. Good for them. I mean, they played really well. That's a lot to digest and consume as a teammate. Indeed.
Starting point is 00:03:07 I'm surprised you led with the negative. I thought you'd lead with the positive. That we cash tickets for everybody around the country telling them Bengals all week. No, we've got to start with the real serious stuff today. And there are certain jobs that take courage in America. We know what those jobs are. They're firemen. They're policemen.
Starting point is 00:03:22 There's a lot of jobs like that. They take real courage. People in this country regularly put their lives. on the line, a lot. And then there are jobs that to a lesser degree, there is courage, much less degree than a fireman or a policeman. There's a UFC fighter. Would you walk in an octagon?
Starting point is 00:03:42 There's a professional football player. These sports have a regulated level of violence. You do not see a lot of NFL players living into their hundreds. And with all these professions, there are scary moments, even for professional athletes. And we saw this last night with Tua, laying on the ground, his hands. It's called fencing when you have head trauma. It's a very, very scary moment for anybody watching. Can you imagine being a pro football player knowing you're going to play Sunday and you're watching that happen?
Starting point is 00:04:12 Can you imagine being a Miami dolphin? Teddy Bridgewater, hey, you got to go in now? That's tough. And in all these professions, with these scary moments, and they may be infrequent, but they happen, we often need to protect the athletes from themselves. For football players, I've seen it too many times. It's a badge of honor to play hurt. Justin Herbert last week with four broken ribs,
Starting point is 00:04:36 pounded on the table, took a shot, and played, and was in absolute pain the first series, was wincing when he got hit. Now, obviously, ribs aren't as serious as head trauma. But I would imagine Tua banged on that table to play. Colonies shouldn't play. Well, the NFL and the NFL PA had an independent neurological exam this week, and they let him play. Tua probably had to be saved from himself, Justin Herbert, the week before.
Starting point is 00:05:08 We cannot just have athletes there to entertain us. And they do magically every week and no league quite like the NFL. But we've got to step in sometimes. and I think it's okay today to be cynical about the Miami Dolphins and what they did. I don't think Mike McDaniel, Yale educated, Ivy League educated, Mike McDaniel, the new coach. I don't think he's a bad guy. He's not a doctor, but he's highly educated. Nobody has supported Tua like Mike McDaniel.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Do I think he's a bad person? No, that'll be screamed on the internet. I do not believe Mike McDaniel is a bad person. I think he deeply cares for Tua's humanity, his profession, and there is, for the record, the NFL and the Players Association have agreed. I looked it up this morning to independent neurological consulting and the dolphins and Tua pass the test. But as a parent, this happens to me occasionally. You step in and you make a common sense decision.
Starting point is 00:06:13 On Sunday, Tua wobbled. On Thursday, you're not going out there. We're not going to let them go out there. by the way, you have a right and I have a right to be very cynical about the Miami Dolphins. Their owners currently suspended. They were trying to poach Tom Brady as an owner and a player. They were trying to get Sean Payton. They're in a lawsuit with a coach Brian Flores who claims they wanted to tank games.
Starting point is 00:06:39 We have every right to have disdain for the Phoenix Sun's owner, for things we read that have been talked about for years. And we have every right to think the dolphins and Stephen Ross have been sketchy and done things covertly and inappropriately for years. But I don't think Mike McDaniel, an Ivy League educated, I don't know many people that know Mike. One, love him, wonderful guy, pro player, progressive, smart. Is he a bad person for letting him play? No, Tua probably sat there, passed the test, pound of the table. Tua is trying to prove all these critics wrong.
Starting point is 00:07:16 He's trying to prove to everybody in the world. He's a smart kid. He hears it. you're to this, you're to that. He's trying to prove he can make it. And he's banging on that table to play. And Justin Herbert's a young kid and didn't make the playoffs. And he's banging on that table to play. Sometimes we got to step in for athletes. They're not here just to entertain us. We've got to save them from themselves. Because it takes a different kind of cat to be a UFC fighter, to be a fireman, to be a cop, to play NFL football. About 20 years ago,
Starting point is 00:07:46 I went down to Arizona to watch a Cowboys game. And I had a side-line. line pass. It was an unbelievable situation. I'd never seen this before. I don't think I've seen it since. And so I was in the end zone, right along the sideline. I was right so I could see players come in and out of bounds. And a player, I don't even know what team, Arizona got thrust out of bounds. It was so fast and was such intensity, it was shocking. And these players, Thursday night's not going away. Thursday night football is not going away. It's not, it's been agreed upon. Amazon's got it. And athletes are getting bigger, stronger, and faster. And the collisions are worse. And the league is doing everything it can. I believe they really, really are.
Starting point is 00:08:31 You can't hit quarterbacks. You can't hit receivers over the middle. But we got to be honest about this. Big strong players banging into each other. You're going to have scary moments. And this morning, I think we all have a right to be really concerned about how it was handled from the dolphins. I, you know, this is kind of layman terms. I would create a wobble rule. You wobble on Sunday, you don't play for a week. About four or five times a year, I'll see a player get up, unsteady, out. Don't want to talk about it. Don't care about the tests.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Don't care if he says he's okay. I don't care what the cats can say. I don't care. You wobble, you're out for a week. Minimum. Thursday, shouldn't, tuition, be out there. Sunday, he's moving around.
Starting point is 00:09:13 He passed all the tests. But like a parent, sometimes you just go, you know what? You're going to stay home from school. We're not going there. You're not doing that. I don't think Mike McDaniel's a bad guy. And I think, too, as a tough kid, he probably shouldn't have been out there.
Starting point is 00:09:30 The Dolphins upstairs, I got my issues. But here's the coach after. As long as I'm coaching here, if there's any, you know, I'm not going to fudge that whole situation. If there's any sort of inclination that someone has a concussion, they go into Cushion Protocol and it's very strict. Absolutely zero patience for or will ever put a player in a position for them to be in harm's way.
Starting point is 00:10:04 That is like not what I'm about at all and no outcome of a game would ever influence me being irresponsible as the head coach of the football team. Maybe I'm completely naive. I think he's a good guy. And I believe him. But there are times you have to step in and save an athlete, a pro athlete, from himself. It is a badge of honor for these guys to go out there. It is a brotherhood. They are fighting every week to prove, especially quarterbacks, because you can't hit
Starting point is 00:10:41 him in practice. These quarterbacks are out there and they want to prove, hey, I'm tough too. I believe Mike McDaniel. I think he cares deeply. And it was really, really scary. But common sense told all of us Sunday watching him against Buffalo, I'm watching last night and I'm thinking, yeah, he probably shouldn't be out there. All right, let's talk about the game briefly.
Starting point is 00:11:09 You know, I was thinking about this driving in this morning. Think about what Miami players were dealing with, the hurricane. So their families are dealing with that. They played 90 snaps to defense against the best offense, arguably, in football Buffalo. short week two is hurt doesn't necessarily practice all week Wednesday or light practice
Starting point is 00:11:28 and then they had to watch Tua get hurt his hands fence which is scary then Bridgewater comes in I mean how you play football after that is it is unbelievable so my takeaway on Miami was kind of a courageous effort by the team
Starting point is 00:11:42 sometimes you have good losses in the NFL is like boy this team's they're well coached they're well managed they got a lot of good players they went through the hurricane, the Tua, the injury, the trauma. Miami went through a lot last night and they fought to the end. Cincinnati is kind of hard for me to get my hands around. I think they've solved most of their issues.
Starting point is 00:12:07 They had seven sacks in game one, six, two, and last night were only sacked one time. So I think they've solved their past protection. They have very good skill players, but they can't run the ball at all. And their loss was in overtime and close at the end of the game to Dallas. So, I mean, they could be undefeated, right? But Zach Taylor, the head coach, I didn't understand running a sweep on fourth and one. That's football one-on-one. You don't run horizontally on short-yarded situations.
Starting point is 00:12:33 They also ran it too much and they can't run it. And also they took the ball out of Joe Burroughs' hands, you know, fourth and inches. Just go for it. So two times in that game, they just took the ball out of their most important player, Joe Burroughs hands. and here's what I wonder about Cincinnati. Andy Reid has made a career up tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking. Sean McVeigh, this year, oh my gosh, tweaking, tweaking, tweaking,
Starting point is 00:13:02 Zach Taylor built an offense, they got to the Super Bowl, and I watch it this year, and does he have a second year as a coach? Because it's kind of the same old team. They need big plays to score, and now people are taking away some of the big plays, and they can't run block. They're 31st in like rushing yards per rush. So it's going to be very interesting with Zach Taylor. Listen, he got to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:13:24 I think he knows what he's doing. But is he a McVeigh? Is he a Shanahan? Is he an Andy Reed? Is he a guy that can consistently, annually make those tweaks with his quarterback? I don't know. They just kept taking the ball out of Joe Burrell's hands last night. Game was very much in doubt with about six minutes, five minutes to go.
Starting point is 00:13:45 You know, my takeaway was, I think. I think Centennanetti's kind of got it right, but it's not there yet. I kind of came out of the evening being more impressed with the effort from Miami. And I said this last week. I was more impressed with Tampa losing than Green Bay winning last week. I was kind of blown away by Miami as an organization, even though the two of stuff feels kind of appalling. I'm just talking the effort by the players on the field. So here was Joe Burrow afterwards.
Starting point is 00:14:09 On offense, we're finding our stride. Defense has been great all year. You know, we're starting to click on all cylinders. We just got to be more consistent throughout the game. You know, there was three or four series there that, you know, we kind of sputtered. At no point did, you know, we feel like we were underperforming, but, you know, we can just be better throughout the entire game, putting points on the board, moving the chains. I don't know the guys we have in the locker room. And just like I said, after the two losses, we just got two wins.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Still a long season. We still got a long ways to go. It doesn't mean anything if we go on and lose the next 13 games. We're going to enjoy this win. Enjoy the long weekend. Come back ready to go next week. Yeah. I think they've solved some of their issues,
Starting point is 00:14:54 but I think they're standard now after getting to a Super Bowl is getting to more Super Bowls. Can this coaching staff do an Andy Reid tweak, a McVade tweak, a Shanahan tweak, a Sean Payton tweak? That's next level coaching. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.
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Starting point is 00:19:25 Redcross.org text Ian to 90999. So sometimes I know people are bothered by this, but all of us work in certain industries. We are insiders in our little fiefdoms, our little industries. and my little industry is radio, right? And then there's outsiders, and often outsiders can't believe what's going. And I'm always like, who cares? We know what we're doing, right?
Starting point is 00:19:55 Same in football. A lot of times football players, 99% of people in America, do not do their job, like on camera. Football players do, basketball players do, hockey players do. So sometimes people are just outraged by things as outsiders by what they see. Remember Ken Dorsey, the coordinator for the Buffalo Bills? Everybody's freaking out. I can't believe this. I can.
Starting point is 00:20:18 They're coaches. Remember how the other coaches reacted to Ken Dorsey freaking out? It's like it didn't even happen. They yell and scream all day. You're an outsider. You're not an insider. You have no idea of the swearing, intensity, passion. You don't get it.
Starting point is 00:20:32 This is how coaches. I mean, it looks crazy. You think that's the first time that's happened? He knows there's a camera there. Sometimes the answer is, you know, who cares? don't give a story oxygen. Don't feed the media. Don't feed social media.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Don't hype it up. So Eric Bienemy and Patrick Mahomes had this little, I don't even know what you call it, a little skirmish. And I thought it was interesting. Like he's the biggest star in the league and Bienemey's an intense guy. But he went on to talk about it yesterday. And I thought he gave a great answer. I really thought Eric Bienlemy gave a fantastic answer to what we saw here.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Here's what I love about Pat. Pat is a competitor. You guys have heard what I've said in the past about him. You want them that way. That's how you want them. You want to finish every drive in the end zone with a score. At that particular time, as a staff, we decided, you know what, we're getting the ball, you know, to start the second half off. So we just want to take a knee. So obviously, you know, Pat being a competitor that he was, that he is, you know, he wasn't ready to hear that. He later went on to say, who cares? This is what we do. Players and coaches bark all the time. By the way, Tom Brady got in the face of Josh McDaniels and is screaming at him. It was on tape. They won the Super Bowl that year.
Starting point is 00:21:57 A coach can't occasionally get a player riled up? Players are yelling at coaches all the time. I saw a player for the Jets last week. Get in the face of a coach. Sometimes like, Who cares? When you're in an industry, you have an industry that I don't know anything about. I have one you don't know much about.
Starting point is 00:22:17 But it's on television. Sports is on television. You see these glimpses of intensity and you think it's inappropriate or you don't know how to. You just don't get it. Like it's okay, barking and yelling. My reaction when I saw that was, yeah, that is intense. Watch how the Buffalo Bills coaches around Ken Dorsey acted. They didn't.
Starting point is 00:22:39 He's like, yeah, he's upset. We're all upset. But it's his offense. He's the coordinator. And his team's his side of the ball screwed up. If the defense would have screwed up, you'd have seen the defensive coordinator freak out. Sometimes the appropriate answer is, come on, who cares? It's okay.
Starting point is 00:22:57 I thought Bienemy nailed it. That's what you want your athletes to be. Tom Brady's passionate. Peyton Manning yelling at Jeff Saturday on the sidelines. Tom Brady yelling at coaches. Eric Bienemy barking. Dispassion. indifference bothers me.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Very rarely does passion get under my skin or worry me. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd-line news. When you got after me and I pulled my, I'm Patrick Mahomes in this relationship, obviously. And I just started coming right back at you, you know. Passion is important.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Occasionally, mostly authentic passion and intensity. Wouldn't you, for years and years I've said about Aaron Rogers, or Kevin Durant. It's passive aggressive. Yeah. I would rather have like a Kobe confrontation. Kobe get right in your face. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:46 And Michael Jordan, you know, would get right in your face. Brady gets in your face. Because they care. By the way, Ben Simmons, you never know what he really thinks. I want occasional combativeness. Friction is good. Because it creates clarity. It's like, you get yours out.
Starting point is 00:24:03 I get my out. And then as we walk away, we're both kind of embarrassed by it. But they say that little. generally, it's healthy to occasionally yell and express emotion. What's totally unhealthy does keep stuff bottled in. So Bienemy barks, Mahomes barks, Bihamie barks back, Annie Reid steps in. What do you bet this week? They look really good on the field.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Against Tampa? Yeah. We'll see. All right, Conall, let's start with the Patriots. Bill Belichick is still playing this game with Mack Jones. Maybe he's going to play. Maybe not. But so former wide receiver Brandon Marshall says Bill Belichick could be, could be on the hot seat.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Coach Belichick and the Patriots, they're one and two, Marshall said. Tom Brady has been gone for three years. I'll say it. Do you want me to say it? Do you guys not want to say it? Coach Belichick, you are now on the hot seat. He's on the hot seat. Nobody wants to say it.
Starting point is 00:24:57 I'll say it. Well, Colin, I'll just say, I guess Brandon Marshall hasn't been watching us for the last two months because we've been saying there's something brewing here. He's not going to get fired in season. And I don't think he's going to be fired. I did suggest at the end of this season, the seven or eight-win Patriots will Kraft and Belichick have the... He's got his sons on the staff. It's a slow roster. He still wants power.
Starting point is 00:25:21 There's certain players he doesn't want to coach. I think Robert Kraft became a billionaire because he makes tough decisions. Robert Kraft has probably had to move off great executives in his companies. I think you do have to have an uncomfortable conversation with a legend and just say, I think it's time. We're going to pivot to more of an offensive-leaning staff. And by the way, here's a big golden parachute in the way out. I'm just saying, I believe at the end of the season, they will have a discussion.
Starting point is 00:25:48 Because it's not, this is not a... And I think New England's going to win this week. I think they're going to shock the world. And beat the Packers. I do, because I don't think the Packers are any good. But I do think it is trending in a position where Robert Kraft has to at least, at least sit down with Bill and have an uncomfortable. conversation. Also, I think a conversation that needs to be had. We saw Justin Herbert
Starting point is 00:26:08 injured and he looked bad against the Jags. We just saw Tua come in and you saw the end result. Mack Jones, who's already not mobile and this ankle, I don't know why Belichick's playing this game. If they forced this kid out there and he sits in the pocket, he's a sitting duck this weekend. I think 100% he should be sitting. This Packers front is nasty. Well, remember, Tua is a brain injury. That is absolutely frightening. high ankle sprain. It's like Justin Herbert. Ribs are not.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Like to me, anything above the head is a completely different level. It's a different conversation. I mean, you have too many concussions back to back to back. You could die. I mean, I was on the internet this morning. You have too many of these back to back to back to back. High ankle sprains are painful. Ribs are painful.
Starting point is 00:26:54 But most players, again, Mac Jones is banging on that table this week. Yeah. He wants to play. So did Justin Herbert, so did too. I'm sure. Yeah. Just be careful, Bill. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:03 All right, next up, Baker Mayfield, Colin, in Carolina, one and two. You know, same issues that Baker had in Cleveland are creeping up in Carolina. Sam Darnold, Tom? I think he's coming off the IR soon. So we got some numbers here for Baker Mayfield with his wide receiver, DJ Moore, throwing some subtle shade at him. Yeah, we'll talk about the wide receivers also help Baker out by getting open. Your thoughts on that.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Have you seen that? Are you guys getting open? It all go hand in hand. Pretty much what he said is you got to get it on the same page no matter what. But it's really no, I don't really got no in-depth on it. So just got to get open and catch the ball. So why aren't you on the same page? Why?
Starting point is 00:27:55 No. Doesn't have to be on the same page, you know, just pitch and catch. It's still a kid's game at the end of the day. You know what? Not that I keep score, but I said Baker will never have an offensive line or that good of an offensive roster again because when you're on your rookie contract,
Starting point is 00:28:18 that's the time the Browns could load up. They did. Rams did with Goff. Then you pay Goff. It's not the same roster, right? That's why you have to upgrade to Stafford. So Baker Mayfield, this is why I preach about being mature. He had this moment in time.
Starting point is 00:28:32 first or second best O-line best running backs great tight end OBJ Landry screwed it up now he's living the life of every other quarterback in the league
Starting point is 00:28:41 average guys shaky O-line one reliable receiver tight ends or me running backs hurt a lot you know that's the NFL for 90% of the league I watch DJ Moore
Starting point is 00:28:51 and again I don't want to be body language expert guy but he's looking down he's stroking his face he does not want to say what's on his mind which is hey do you guys remember when O'Dell Beckham had issues
Starting point is 00:29:00 with Baker Mayfield Do you remember what Odell Beckham's dad did putting videos on the internet? Yeah. I think we're a game away from that, and I'll just warn people, it will be in headlines later in the show. Stick around, final hour. Picks have been money. Arizona Blitz is Baker. Baker has struggled mightily.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Second worst quarterback in the league this season against the blitz. By the way, the great quarterbacks, Mahomes, Brady, Rogers, eat the blitz alive. Of course. That's why nobody blitzes them. Average quarterbacks struggle with blitzes. Yes. All right. Final story.
Starting point is 00:29:29 The 49ers have dealt with a lot of changes. in the offense over the first couple weeks after moving back to Garapolo following the Tray Lance injury. Former 49er. Boy, Colin, a lot of former 49ers love to chime in on this team. Well, I mean, they're coming out of the woodwork. A lot of them are stars. You know, I mean, they've created a lot of stars there.
Starting point is 00:29:48 Joe Staley now says that Kyle Shanahan is experiencing challenges with the offense after losing Mike McDaniel to the Dolphins. Yeah, I think definitely is a transition, you know, just like as the player. You know, when I was playing with Mike, Iyipati for so long, and then all of a sudden I'm playing next to a new guard. There's a transition period of getting used to not having that kind of like comfort blanket that I had playing next to Mike for all those years. And it's a transition and it takes time to kind of get your footing.
Starting point is 00:30:20 And I think the same thing for Kyle on this offense. It's just kind of, Kyle's always had Mike, you know, everywhere he's gone. And I don't know if I'm buying that. The Jets plucked Lefleur, who was on the, staff, he's their new offensive coordinator. Now you lose McDaniel, but this is more about Lance and the left tackle and missing Kittle for the first two games.
Starting point is 00:30:39 As we're finding out from the Dolphins and the Bengals and the Niners, there's a lot of conflict in this league, there's a lot of drama, there's a lot of injuries. This is hard. This is a very... People don't run around tackling basketball
Starting point is 00:30:55 players and soccer players and baseball players. When you have a regulated level of violence, Trent Williams out. It changes everything. Now you've got to keep George Kittle into block, which means Kittle's not going to be as viable receiver. So it's going to be much harder for this offense. So there's a reason you spend the money you spend
Starting point is 00:31:11 on Trent Williams. He's the best past blocking tackle in football maybe in a decade. Now, I don't think we're going to do a lot on Rams Niners. It's the Monday game, but Shanahan has dominated McVeigh head to head. However, a lot of money coming in, professional money, on the Rams in this game. Monday,
Starting point is 00:31:27 we'll get to it later. Yeah. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. So I saw something this morning. So, oh, Shady McCoy, he's on speak now. LeShawne McCoy was talking about
Starting point is 00:31:42 Kyler Murray, and he doesn't really like his game the way he plays. Here is Shady McCoy. He's trash. He's overhike. He plays like high school player. He runs around. I think he's over-hipe.
Starting point is 00:31:55 He runs backwards. He does a circle, the ballerina's circle, then goes left, goes right, turns all the way around again, then looks for a way. wire receiver, he's trash. That's how you play quarterback. Every pass is holding the ball, let's make a miracle. This watch a guy.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Every game he's played, watch and play. It's really embarrassing to be honest. Like, who's coaching this kid? Okay, now, Kyleor Murray, not necessarily responding to Lishon McCoy, but responding to the critics this year after a bad start, Kyleor Murray had this to say about his style. Certain situations, as of, you know, late were, um, it's got to come off scrambles and stuff like that, whereas teams may not, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:35 allow me to scramble as much as, you know, people asking why I'm not running and stuff like that. Like, it's not, it's not, it's not by, you know, want to or anything like that. I think just design right now is, we probably, you know, I've said, you know, I would, you know, I would love to implement that more,
Starting point is 00:32:52 but I just ask, you know, I do what I'm asked to. Okay, so let's just think about the last week about hyper athletic quarterbacks. Josh Allen, the belief is he's running too much. Russell Wilson, he's not running enough. Lamar Jackson, Ed Reed said, business first, stop running. And Kyler Murray, all sorts of mixed messages on running.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Four of our really great running quarterbacks, Kyler and Russell and Josh Allen and Lamar, you're running too much, you're not running enough, you shouldn't run at all, and now mixed messages. In my opinion, mobile quarterbacks use your superpower. Just learn to slide. Now, Josh, Alan, hopefully doesn't remain the primary running back for the Buffalo Bills. But if you want to get rich and you want to win in games and you want a big contract and you want to be productive and you want to be famous and you want to consistently win as a mobile quarterback, run.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Tyler should run, Russell should run, Josh should run, Lamar should run. That's how you win games. It is a superpower in about five to six guys in this league have it. If you have a super strong arm like Josh Allen, use it. Big Ben did. Aaron Rogers does. Brett Farve did. If you have a superpower with your feet, Michael Vic, Lamar, Big Ben when he came in.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Josh Allen, use it. Now, again, learn to slide. but if I'm Kyler Murray, I mean, we have all these running quarterbacks just in the last week. You run too much. You don't run it all. You need to run more. You shouldn't run because it's business first and makes messages. Kyler Murray's a better quarterback when he runs. You want the stat that defines this and backs up your argument. When Kyler has at least 10 rushing attempts, Arizona is 9 and 1. Now when he doesn't, when he has less than 5 carries, 3, 17, and 1, he needs to run. Just like you said. I mean, Colin. Listen, if God gives you great singing voice, sing.
Starting point is 00:34:57 If you don't get a job on Broadway, sing in the shower, sing in the car, sing at your church, use your superpower. Lean in. Some people just have natural gifts. It's a singing voice. It's height. It's athletic ability. Lean into it. Now, it may be at times dangerous or physically can put you in harm's way.
Starting point is 00:35:19 All right. Figure out a way to get sacked or slug. Josh Allen, please. You saw Big Ben, slide. But like to me, when I watch Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson, the other night against the Niners, he decided to run on the fourth quarter.
Starting point is 00:35:33 The Niners defense was just top in the league. Couldn't stop him. Tyler, run. It's what got you paid. It's going to get you wins, and it's going to get you everything you want in life. Wins, money, fame, admiration, the locker room,
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Starting point is 00:38:42 I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.
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Starting point is 00:40:03 learn the hard way. Open your free Our Heart Radio app. Search, learn the hard way, and listen now. All right, great to have you in. Demarcas, a Super Bowl champ 12 years, nine-time pro-bowler just nominated for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class 2023. And one of the all-time Yes, guys, by the way, wife just had a baby, so now he's not sleeping. No.
Starting point is 00:40:25 We can call him at midnight. He'll come on the air. He's not sleeping. He's up with the baby, and I appreciate that. Listen, man, call me anytime. All right. So let's get serious for one second here. The Tua situation, years ago, you know this in your career.
Starting point is 00:40:39 I mean, you're 6'5-280. You got kind of knocked out where you couldn't move. Take me to that. When you watched two in that situation, you were in a semi- similar situation. It's scary, right? It's very scary. I mean, my heart just dropped because one thing that players don't want to see or hear, first of all, is an ambulance and being strapped up, carried off the field, but a quiet crowd. I mean, you can look right here, man, just the impact of him hitting the ground
Starting point is 00:41:10 like that, and it was almost gut-wrenching to see after he had an injury earlier, and then now him having a second injury, maybe from the injury, I don't know. And this right here could hopefully not be career ending, but it's one of those things that it has to be diligently looked at because you don't want to just put a player out there on the field because the concussion protocol has been heightened. But now this is an example of now we really got to take it to the next level. You know, the NFL and the NFLPA have agreed and he passed the tests. And I said there should be a rule that if you wobble,
Starting point is 00:41:48 on Sunday, you can't play in a Thursday game. Like, you're out. I don't, I don't care if you pass a test. You're out of that game. I mean, by the way, life is about learning. I think we learned something last night. That's how I, as I drove to work this morning, I thought, learning moment, hurt on Sunday, don't play Thursday you're out. Is that fair? I mean, yeah, I mean, put it like that. There has to be some type of grace period, a grace period of, all right, cool, if you get hurt on Sunday, Thursday night game is out. Now Sunday is here. It's a toss-up, but what are we doing now?
Starting point is 00:42:20 I mean, that's why I actually joined this focus group with Baylor Scott and White that I'm part of for the next two years to come up with some even better protocol things to now bring awareness to what's going on. And now just look at this to a situation, this just makes me even more wanting to get involved with this. Yeah. So I want to talk about your Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Cooper Rush is not Dak. I don't think anybody thinks that. But he's pretty good for a backup, and he's winning games. Is there anything Cooper does that Dak could go, you know, he's pretty effective doing that? Because I've heard people say, you know, Cooper doesn't have the talent of Dak, but he just does the X's and the O's. He doesn't run around. Do you watch Cooper and think, Dax's looking at it thinking, oh, you know, he does this, this,
Starting point is 00:43:08 or is it just one of those things where, you know, the Cowboys are beating some bad teams? Let's not take anything from it. Dax's healthy he plays. No, I think that, you know, Dak can take something from Cooper Rush, and that's quiet confidence. And what I mean by that is, you know, sometimes as a starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys,
Starting point is 00:43:26 you might have to throw it to CD Lamb. You might have to give it to Zeeke. But with Rush, Rush is like, hey, I don't want to make any mistakes. I don't want to lose a football game. I'm going to throw it to the open man. I'm going to hand the ball off to Zique, and I'm going to, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:39 dink and don't you down the field instead of trying to be, like that star trying to make that big play and having to sort of appease to the players on the team, right? And I think from him seeing how Cooper's doing it, now when he comes back, it was almost like that Brock Oswalder, Peyton Manning, right? Peyton Manning got hurt that year we won the Super Bowl. Brock Oswalder came in there. They left him in the football game. We won football games. Everybody around him played a lot better. And then when Peyton got back, he was still hurt, but the guys played to a level to where it didn't matter. And that's what we're seeing
Starting point is 00:44:17 right now. Yeah. So I want to ask you about the Denver Broncos situation because you played with them for three years. And it's interesting. So Russell Wilson comes there and has a rookie coach. And here's how I theorize it. The rookie coach is trying to figure out how to use Russell. Russell's trying to be deferential to the rookie coach. You know, he wants to be respectful, be a good soldier. And neither one is just grabbed it. And then Russell finally in that last series against the Niners said, okay, I'm just going to take the offense over, run around like I always do and win the game. And I'm like, that's what you got to do. But I do think a lot of times, DeMarcus, coaches want to be good
Starting point is 00:44:56 soldiers for their, or players want to be good guys. They don't want to steam roll. And I think Russell deep down, he may be cringy on his subway commercials, but he's a good guy. And that's what I see. Or do you think maybe Russell Wilson is washed? And it's really, we're seeing an old Russell? I don't think Russell Wilson's washed. I think that when you go into a situation where you have a new coach, you have different parameters, right?
Starting point is 00:45:22 He's been under a coaster where they let Russell be Russell, let him string plays out, which he's great at doing, and then throw huge, great rocks down the field. And so if they let him do that, which he did in his last game, that's when they'll start winning football games.
Starting point is 00:45:39 It's like you put the shackles on, because this or here is what I want my system to be. But I have a Russell system. Let Russell run the system. Let him win football games. I mean, he's amazing. And you can see right here on this play, how he just run out of the pocket, throw the ball.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Get, you know, open, throw the ball. So let him do that and let Russell be Russell. Yeah. Let's circle back to the Cowboys. When Jerry says stuff like, I'd love a quarterback controversy, when you were a cowboy, and Jerry had his weekly Monday radio show and he'd get people stirred up.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Do players just sort of laugh at it and understand what he's doing? Or can it be disruptive ever to your locker room? Was it ever disruptive? You know, it was never disruptive because we were so focused. I mean, Jerry's going to be Jerry. Jerry's going to say what he wants to say. But how close are we in the locker room? And you can see that the guys, they're really not worried about what Jerry's saying
Starting point is 00:46:38 because they're jailing right now. When you have everything coming together and clicking like he's clicking, the owner is going to do what he needs to do with the propaganda, but when the team is hitting on all cylinders, nothing else matters. Yeah. All right, he was on the all-decade team. He's going to make the Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 00:46:58 He's DeMarcus Ware. He's got a new baby. Congratulations on that. Welcome to not sleeping for about four months. Team, no sleep. You know about it. I think he said you had six kids, so you know exactly.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Oh, yeah. About the game no sleep. Yeah, you know these dark circles, they didn't come from getting nine hours a night. I'll tell you that right now. I've got my glasses on, so you can't see that. I got dark circles under my eyes. That's years of kids. Good seeing you, man.
Starting point is 00:47:24 It looked great. Hey, good. Hey, nice seeing you, too. Peace out. Should be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, no, DeMarcus had a situation in his career where he got as big as he is. He got knocked flat and couldn't feel anything. It's scary.
Starting point is 00:47:38 And I thought it was pretty remarkable for the. dolphin players. I mean, what's going through Teddy Bridgewater's head? He's had serious injuries, and he has got to come in now. And I thought Miami had, it is, Tampa losing to Green Bay last week with none of their receivers. And Miami losing last night, I thought Miami's effort was unbelievable. Then in the middle of the game, Tua goes out with a traumatic injury, and they are fighting like crazy. Folks, that team, their defense, which at the end of the game was tired, they were on the field for 90 plays against the bills in the Miami heat and then a hurricane hits. Their families, probably some of them, their families are, they're concerned about them,
Starting point is 00:48:16 maybe some get displaced. And they fly up to the Midwest, play really good game. I thought it was one of the one or two losses on the year where I came more impressed with the team Miami than I was, even more than the Buffalo win, I was like, this team's got a lot of character and a lot of guts, a little bit. and how the things panned out the first couple weeks. But I got to say, Zach Taylor's almost getting off the hook, the Bengals coach, for how bad he was. Colin, Joe Mixen, 24 carries, and his longest carry was seven yards.
Starting point is 00:48:50 At what point do you stop running your running back right into the line of skimmy on first down, setting your quarterback up for second and long? Is he protecting Joe Burr? Oh, stop. Well, I'm just saying. That's just bad quarterbacking. McVeigh did it, does it a lot. McVeigh gets criticized, even in the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:49:05 He falls in love with the run. He's trying to eat clock, wear it down. The feeling Stafford and Burrow will make plays late. But he doesn't want to put Stafford or Burrow in the crosshairs if you don't trust your interior old line. No, I hated that. From the one yard line up by two. Now listen, I know people will say, Jason, you're just care because of the gambling.
Starting point is 00:49:27 But that is stupid football. The Buffalo bills did the same thing last week. They got a safety out of it because Miami punted off the guy's butt. Well, if I have a star quarterback and I'm at the two or the one on a four, down. I'm generally going to go for it. Quarterback sneaks are a smart play on fourth and short. They are really smart. Joe Burrow, right under the center.
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