The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Tucker Accusations & Belichick Hypotheticals

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

Today on The Herd, Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox react to the accusations against Ravens Kicker Justin Tucker. Why didn’t Tom Brady and the Raiders pursue Bill Belichick over Pete Carroll? Plus, Super Bowl prep and tough decisions in Cincy  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Is this the proverbial calm before the storm? Or are we at the point to where we're just kind of, we've run through the gauntlet of topics to get ready for this one game? How we feel? It's the con before LeVar. It gets to New Orleans. That's what it is. That's right.

We have to be very careful about calm before storms while speaking on referencing New Orleans. So it's a little too soon. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's fair. That is fair. It's got to be careful with storms and all that stuff. Yeah.

But LeVar is going to show up, and he will touch down on a slurricane. There we go. Yeah, I'm going to jump on a hurricane. That war. Woo! I love how you just told us we need it to temperate down, and then you just made a song out of it. That was great. I'm black.

I can do it. Damn. I can get away with that. On that note. I am a black man. So. Oh, that's great. You know, it's easy to leverage it.

these days so I'm gonna go ahead and rock with it. You're gonna lean into it, huh? I'm gonna lean all the way into it. Oh, man. All right. I'm just trying to figure out how we... Bang, bang. You got it going early. If you weren't stimulated, I got to... If your ears weren't perked up, they perked up now.

Who put together this rundown? I did not. We've got to talk about this subject to start off the show. I did not. I will not be held accountable for this. Is this Ryan? No. Is this Lee? Who put this together?

That was, what do you mean? That's lead to lab. That's a lead to lab special. Ryan Music had nothing to do. There wasn't even an email, by the way. You know, so I'm blind. You got the Lee mail. I have the Lee mail.

I mean, you expect me to be in up to date on all this technology and be into the Google or the docs and all that stuff. I'm not in there. Can we bring in Ryan for this and ask him if isn't that hard to log into a Google Doc? Listen, I've seen the challenges that can come. up with Google Docs. So you know what? You know, Lee DeLap, who is your fantastic producer for your guys' regular show through the regular time slot, he's going through a lot right now. I don't know if you guys know this. I'm going to peel back the curtain.

Lee DeLat may be homeless right now. So the guy's going through a lot, cut him some slack. There's just, he's going through a time of transition, if you will. You have to expand on that. What do you mean? What do you mean? Yeah, I got a notification. after my, you know, afternoon nap yesterday that our place was being rented out for the month. So I had a few hours to get ready to pack up the entire place. Oh, that's great.

Hold on, Lee. Google Docs at the bottom of priority list right now, so we're just have some grace. Have some grace, guys. Why didn't you say anything, Lee? You're trying to rent, you were trying to rent it out? I have rented it up. Someone set the stage, please.

Someone set the stage for this. Oh, God. So, yeah, my, my, my, my, my, my, My place is now, I don't have anywhere to go after the show. I'll just be here until we go to New Orleans. I can't wait to go sleep at a hotel. You have, this is a new audience. You have to explain in 30 seconds how you got to being homeless right now.

Is this real? I can't hear the realness in his voice? I'm stunned. How do you not keep up with your boys feeling, man? He didn't tell me. I didn't know anything. You guys didn't pick up that there was nothing. done on the Google Doc until about 30 minutes before the show today.

That's not outside the norm. It still looks like there's nothing done, Lee. Let me fill everyone quickly, okay? Lee is in, let's just call it a relationship. Although it's pretty pergatory, but go it. Yeah, pretty volatile at best. And he happens to share a place with this loved one. And they, I guess they're trying to sell it.

They fixed it up, trying to sell it. To leave one another. And she's gone for, what, two weeks, Lee? Yeah, I actually just dropped her off at LAX on the way here. She actually flew back in to help me get the place ready. Late last night. So hold on. Update us because the last we heard you were trying to sell it, not trying to rent it.

This changes things. To get away, by the way. Yeah. Not just to sell it to sell it. You are selling it so y'all could get away from one. Let's be clear on this. Go ahead. So you could get away from her.

Yes. Yes. Yes, it is listed. Well, now it's not. Now we've taken it off listings. We canceled all our open houses this weekend. Why is that, Lee? Because I rented it out for the month.

You're renting it for only a month? Yes. But if you can sell it while you're renting it, Lee, like you put them in a homeless situation. Let the renters go find another place to rent, Lee. There's another reason why you took it off the listing to sell it. Tell the truth. Well, the realtors wanted to take it off.

It doesn't look good that it's just sitting there without an open house and all that stuff. Well, maybe it's the lounge chair and the kids. kitchen. That's got to try some questions. Or the bedroom, by the way. Damn. Yeah. The gun holes, the gunshots, the gunshots in the bedroom.

We got a family of, or the revolver hanging from the ceiling. Maybe they just don't want to sell the home because maybe they're trying to figure out if their love has rekindled. Let's just speak clearly here. I think you're on to this. Yes. So now there's a family of five sleeping in my kitchen, yes. All right. Why?

Who's the family of five in the kitchen? They related to Jonas? Dang. Okay. Possible, man. Yeah, Lee, sorry about the pickup truck and yard rake. Do you say Jonas' landscape? What do you say?

So, well, I did no idea. We really try hard not to get asked to be back on the herd. That might explain why the topic says, let's start off with Justin Tucker, which I'm not really sure why somebody put two Gs. Why did somebody put two Gs in the middle of his last name? I don't get it. Who's the class act here on this show? Not two Gs?

So from Lee's situation, which nobody really do about until just moments ago to go to the situation involving Justin Tucker, who apparently. Went to school with Deschard Watson. Listen, I don't want to make those jokes here.

All right. Like, that's, it's too soon. Yeah, well, I think it's too soon, and we're not, you know, there's a lot of people out there that are high up in the NFL, like Robert Kraft, who don't want to see the league tarnish like this. So I just, I think it's- Bobby Orchitz? Yeah, I just think it's fair that we represent this in the proper manner. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Let's go. From the Baltimore banner, Justin Tucker had a little bit of an issue at some massage parlors between 2012 and 2012 and 23. 16, at least six different massage therapists accused him of inappropriate sexual behavior. The details are gross. I mean, you could look that up, you know, some things left behind that probably shouldn't have been. Anywho, what? DNA? What?

Possibly. And multiple spas immediately terminated him as a client. Tucker has denied this. The NFL is investigating. And it just begs the question, you know, maybe this might have been what? he was struggling this year. Maybe there was some stuff that was about to come out, and he was having a little bit of an issue focusing.

So there's a... We're wrong with guys, man. I can't they just, like, be a pro on and off the field? Like, what is... I don't get it. I really don't. It's not that complicated. It's not that hard.

Well, I guess in this case, it probably was. Yeah. Yeah. Very. It's something about the AFC North, man. Seems like every point of North there. Oh, that's what you're going to go with. I'm just saying, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, seems to be.

There's a different AFC in there, though, with Bobby Orkitts. So there is a little bit sprinkled in from a different AFC. But it does seem to be the AFC conference. Are they the most northern AFC East team or is Buffalo further north? It doesn't even really matter, right? I mean, that's a New England state. Like, it's a New England place. It's a very far north, you know.

Cleveland, north, well, Midwest. Dang. now Baltimore Baltimore's what is Baltimore that's not North is it that's like the lowest it's aFC North it's North it's North for the NFL standards it's there you go

I mean a tomato the bottom line here is is that something incorrect is taking place I'm curious as to now now it crosses racial barriers for certain not just because they're not

There's power. You could say, you know, Robert Kraft, you know, with his situation at Orchitz of Asia, like, okay, whatever. He's an owner. Like, he's not going to get fired or, you know, I don't know. You know, he'll deal with what he deals with. But now you have two players that have gone through the same exact situation. What?

It's just like, let's just breeze over Robert Kraft. Like, you were thinking black and white. I was just thinking weirdo. I don't know. I'm glad it doesn't. I'm glad it doesn't just settle down. And I'm glad it's situated itself in a weirdo category. You know what I mean? Like it's just, it's so simple sometimes, so easy to fall into just kind of maybe, you know, stereotyping or, you know, drawing a quick conclusion. And for what it's worth, I've always said, kickers are people too. And you know what? Now Justin Tucker has taken that.

that definition to a whole other level. Like he didn't want to just be seen as a player like you're a person too on the football team. He wanted to be looked at as like, you know, like the quarterback. Like this is one of the main positions and I'll show you. We get the same type of action that the quarterbacks get. And I think this was the wrong way to go about proving that to the people and to the culture, to the fans. But nonetheless, he did. So here we are.

talking about it. Yeah. It's, yeah, there you go. Not great. Brady, your thoughts in this whole situation involving Justin Tucker

and it's ridiculous. I mean, hopefully things will, you know, be better on the up and up. I mean, that's all you can really say. I mean,

I just, you hope that all the things that have been put out there aren't true, but it's hard when there's this much smoke. I mean, it was the same thing

with, even in Deshawn Watson's case, as much as you, you know, looked at the, allegations and you're saying, okay, in this country, it's innocent until proven guilty. What came to my mind was, you know, he had 30 some allegations. And then you had like 30 some that came out in his defense.

And my first question was, why the hell do you have 60 massage therapists? Like 34 you, 30 against you, however, I mean, the whole thing was ridiculous. Well, you're talking about the city. All you needed at that point in time was one, maybe two, right? Like, you don't need 60 or however you massage. therapist. In this case, when you look at the details, it's alarming because you're saying, well, why did he have somebody massage therapist just in Baltimore? Now, he's been there forever, and he's been extremely successful and maybe, you know, wanted to change things, whatever.

I'm sure there's some sort of rationale or something to this, but I just, it's hard to buy into it that he's completely innocent. And I know I'm going against what I just said a moment ago, but again, it just, it's hard when there's this much smoke, not to think that there's something more there. How many allegations are against Tucker? He was kicked out of at least six massage therapist. He was kicked out of a bunch of different spas in the Baltimore area. What type of spalls were they? Do we know

the type where they red light spalls? Where they like, where they upscale spas? You told me of our like if they had a water table, that was like the telling signs what you said. Is that what you said, LeVar? I don't recall that. But if you said it, then I probably mentioned it. Huh. That's interesting.

Yeah. I just, I've always known that if, if it had, like, this is what I learned when I was early in the league and I won't, I'll leave some of my teammates nameless. But he always said, look for the red open sign. Jeez. That's the massage parlor. He, he, them, they, um, enjoy it going to where the massage parlor spas, spalls. So you're saying like, on 10 p.m. on a Tuesday night, that red sign should not

say open is what you're saying. It probably shouldn't say open. That's so reckless. There's my, my favorite Indian food place back home, uh, they have a red open sign. I'm not going to let that that's a restaurant. That's a restaurant. And even to that point, there might be a soda machine. There might be a, uh, like a, a door off to the side. And that's connected to that open side. Like you being honest with you, you pull a candle down by the fireplace. And it opens. Bam. You walk right in. I'll try that next time. You know, they got speak easies like that, and they got rub easies like that.

I'm just saying. Damn. All right. You know, hey, listen. Yeah, I mean, hey, look. Red open signs. Hey, people out there, I'm putting you up on a little game. If you see a massage parlor and it's in a city and you just happen to be walking by, like QC,

and it's like 9, you know, 10 o'clock, and it says open, chances are, that's, That's the massage parlor that these guys, you know, we're going to. All I'll just say is this. Somebody who listens to our show in the morning from 6 to 9 Eastern Time, who's pretty connected in the Baltimore area. He sent me a message before this stuff came out, and he says it's legit. So if that's the- It's a legit spa.

A legit store. Well, you know. apparently there's also some tweets that have been well no there's some tweets that were sent out a few years back that kind of indicated something was going on that everybody in the area kind of knew it wasn't a very well-kept secret that Justin Tucker had you know some issues with this and had been kicked out of several places so I mean that gives that gives a new meaning to his name now doesn't it just a Tucker yeah like I mean these um definitely it's differently now. Here's my question, though, from an NFL standpoint, how does the league handle this? Like, how did they... Oh, you got to sit them down.

Yeah. You got to shut them down. And depending on, you know, they'll leave it up to... And I know Q's the legal guy here, but... Sure is. I'll just say this. I mean... I have no idea why.

I don't either, but you're good at it. You sound like you know it, so I defer. But I'll just say, Deshaar Watson's set the tone for what i mean maybe bobby orchids did Robert robert craft set the tone but Deshawn did it for players

and whatever it is that that has come out and has popped up they have to they have to get Justin Tucker out of the way he can't be like he's a kicker it's not like he I mean but he's a he's a high profile kicker but

he can't be on the field first things first no matter if he you know the whole innocent till proven guilt that's fine. He can't be active right now. That's first things first. It's like he can't be active. I would assume that would be the first step cue that would be taken is just making sure people know that they're investigating it. They're aware of it. And until further notice of what 's going on until we find out more about what's going on, you know, Justin Tucker is probably to just stay away and stay wherever he's going to be, but not be at the facility or a part of

anything that's Ravens-related, I would assume. a classic case of why the commissioner's exempt list was created because you're able to determine what the facts are and figure this out. Now, there's a couple of different things that play here, right? I don't know if the lawsuit's civil in nature or if it's criminal in nature from this report because that makes a big difference, right? If it's criminal, obviously, the burden of proof to prove what he did was wrong is much greater. However, you know, in regards to the player conduct policy, both still play a factor. But if it's a criminal conviction, if that happens down the road,

you think that not only is the evidence more damning, that not only they're going to know from a legal standpoint, but also the NFL is going to be able to find out, the suspension would be just as punitive, meaning Watson's was, I believe, 11 games, which, not to get off on a tangent here,

I am curious to know because of how everything transpired with the trade and he goes to Cleveland, if they weren't playing Houston in that week 12 game back 2022 in December if it would have been longer and if it would have been you know any more you know again

punitive only because I think the NFL NFL was kind of selling that they might not want to admit that but selling every part of that the fact that he's in Cleveland he's making his return to Houston yeah like that's something's gonna make people want to tune in and because it is kind of a random number to throw out on a suspension you know like two games four games it has 11 it's like you know come on well I can't recall

if there was any tweaking to that number if he had appealed it and they had reduced it, which I can't again imagine and I don't remember that being the case. So the 11 number was just kind of odd. Typically they like even numbers. If you guys recall back during the Ray Rice situation, it kind of became almost common

that if there was a domestic violence issue would be six games. That was the minimum that players were getting. Or forever. Unstated or unwritten. So in this case, it really comes down to, I think,

what the NFL is able to gather, but I think you'll have an idea of that based on, I haven't looked to see if it's criminal or civil, but that will give you a sense. If it's civil, again, burden proof is a lot harder to be able to award, you know, in this case, the plaintiffs what they're looking to get. And you'll be a little bit lenient, more lenient if you're the league, right? If it's civil, if it's criminal, that might hit a little different, correct? Well, I'll put up, I mean, I don't know how deep going to this right now, but I don't think that matters as much. I think what, you know, what they're going to have as far as what they can prove

from an evidence standpoint is why I'm bringing this up. Because if you have a really big slam dunk case, you'll probably try both. It'd be criminal and civil, right? If you don't have quite as much damning evidence, you probably want to go to the civil route because that's the only way you're going to probably be able to feel like, you know, your plaintiff is going to be able to get any sort of fulfillment of that verdict, right? Like you'd hate to see them losing that case. A lot of people are just going to say, well, maybe it's a money grab. Maybe they just want to settle and this stuff was going on. So they just want to, you know, a pay date, whatever the case is. But all those things are still out there in both cases. But typically when you see someone try a criminal case first, it's because

they've got more damning evidence. They want that person to pay and for their freedom to be impacted. So I would say it doesn't matter if it's criminal or civil in this case. It really comes down to, you know, what evidence is out there to prove one way or another, and then what the NFL was able to ascertain from all of that. And if they can build enough of a case to sit there and say, we feel like this is heinous and just as bad as Deshaun Watson, then yeah, you'd have to say 11 games would be, at least what we've seen so far.

The interesting thing is that I thought the Deshaun Watson case would be a unicorn. Like we never see that again in the NFL. And now we're here, what, two years, two and a half years later, dealing with the heading into the 2025 season again. It is The Hurt here on Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Erington, Brady, Quinn, Jonas Knox. Filling in for Colin Cowert here today on this Friday. Coming up next here, though, we're going to tell you how apparently somebody in the NFL,

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a lot of people would argue that that would be Bill Belichick, who is currently the head coach for the North Carolina Tar Heels, according to

Mike Floreo of pro football talk. Apparently Bill Belichick was not all that thrilled with the Raiders hiring of Pete Carroll, I guess. You can understand why, right? Yeah, I mean...

Like, this is what I feel like it was not my instant reaction. You know, because I think, when Bill Belichick signed with North Carolina, I kind of thought, okay, he wants to go that route. Maybe it's more about setting up his son, Steve Belichick, to become the head coach in waiting or eventually be able to take over as a head coach and get his foot in the door. And so I thought that was more of his prerogative.

But then when you really peel back the curtains, when you see the Raiders hire Pete Carroll, who's a year older, and obviously Tom Brady having played a role in the interview process, And the fact that, I don't know, even if he did reach out to Bill Belichick, he wouldn't push and do everything he could to get Bill Belichick there as the head coach. I mean, it's a small buyout. $10 million is not much for a buyout. So the fact that the Las Vegas Raiders would opt for Pete Carroll, again, who's a year older, obviously successful. You know, as won a Super Bowl, been to Super Bowls, it's not so much that in my mind. It's just like if you're going to hire someone at that age to set up the foundation over the,

of your organization for the future and for whoever that next coach is or that, you know, head coach and waiting is, wouldn't you think you'd go with the guy that you won six Super Bowls with? I'll just say this. I think both of them have been reported as control freaks, you know, by the media. Like, I think there was one point in time where they said there was no one for Pete Carroll to have to answer to in the Seahawks organization. He pretty much ran the team the way that he wanted to run the team.

Bill Belichick probably had more resistance in that category, having to probably deal with Robert Kraft. I think entering into the scenario, though, if there was one person out of the two that maybe made people feel more comfortable, and I know this could be overstated, but I'll just find it to be some accuracy to it, maybe some validity connected to it. It still remains that the reputation of Bill Belichick is very, very intimidating to people. And now I look at it, I'm like, okay, well, Tom Brady played for him,

and Tom Brady is familiar with who Bill Belichick is as the coach, as the administrator, as the authoritarian as, you know, as the person. But with that being said, you're one person. And one thing that we got to take into consideration with Tom Brady stepping into this situation of ownership with this organization and taking on personnel duties, taking on team duties, is that there's relationships that have to play a part in what Tom Brady is doing. If you bring in somebody and it just happens to go down the lane of OS, he is the guy that we thought he was coming in.

Oh, he is difficult to deal with. Oh, this isn't a very comfortable situation. And while it may be what this organization needs, if there's one thing I learned being in the league, that's not always readily welcomed. It's not always easy to change the status quo, to change comfort levels, and maybe both of them will come in and do that. Maybe that's what they bring to the table with their knowledge of the game being around it as long as they haven't had the success they've had. But the level of success that Bill Belichick had, I just got to think it has to be his way to a very large degree. you're going to get or want or expect the type of results that he was able to get, which, by the way, I don't even think it's realistic to think that Bill Belichick could recreate that

or any other coach. I don't think any other coach can recreate that either. Like, do we know, did he get any official interview this hiring cycle? We know he got the Falcons last year, but like any interview this hiring cycle from anybody? Because I don't think he did. Like, I just think it was, well, maybe he's a possibility. Maybe there's some speculation that Belichick would be interested here. Maybe there was no ever official interview, no nothing. And to me, that says more about those organizations than it does him.

And we've talked about it on our show before. Like if that guy walks into a room, you listen. Like I don't stand over my mechanic's shoulder and go, no, no, you do that. You do this over here. Somebody put that. No, they know what they're doing. I don't. He knows what the hell he's doing.

Like look at his track record. It's not like he just won in New England. He had success in Cleveland. He had success in D.C. with the Giants. He's been in the league for decades. That could make you expendable. And who wants to be expendable? I've seen it happen.

Then that's... Then that's the organization. When Marty came... Yes. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. They fired Marty after one year because of what we're talking about. It was intimidating.

It was football. people stick to football things administrator sales stick to sales go figure right this is very very like sensible you know media stick to media you know cooks stick to cooks

trainers stick to training but they did not that was not received well by ownership in Washington and he was gone after a year who was the owner then was a little Danny it was a little Danny oh okay yeah it was a little Danny well that I think had a lot to do with it

I mean, Bill Mark, you know? I don't know that. Here's the reality is we all think that whatever fracture or breakup, Tom Brady and Bill Belichick had, we watched the roast, and I think some of what we think, I mean, obviously, Bill Belichick attends. What we actually took from the roast was that, hey, maybe there are some jokes that cut a little deeper than Tom Brady had anticipated. that was more of the takeaway from it.

And it seemed like there was a bit of an awkwardness too with Bill Belichick and Robert Kraft and Tom Brady, Robert Kraft, and that whole triangle. But what we didn't take away from it is like, well, how patched up is this relationship? I mean, how much does Tom Brady look at Bill Belichick and say, yeah, this is the guy that if I had the chance as an owner, I'd want to bring in to get my organization

run the right way. because he had the chance. Can I ask you this based off of what you're saying? Why would Tom Brady want to be lumped into what became the ultimate narrative of the Patriots? Who was the reason? Was it Robert Kraft? Was it Bill Belichick? Was it Tom Brady?

Was it Tom Brady and Bill Belichick? Was it Tom Brady and Robert Kraft? Was it Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick? Who was it? If I'm Tom Brady, why would I even invite that into the door? Because the minute Bill Belichick comes in there, what are you going to say? What does it end up shaking out to be?

Well, to me, Tom Brady already proved that it's Tom Brady. I mean, he went to Tampa and won his first year away. I mean, literally, with the greatest, you could say, hurdles of any quarterback they've had to deal with because of COVID. I mean, you went through a season where you couldn't practice with your teammates. Remember, he was knocking on people's doors, the wrong doors at the playbook? He got kicked out of a public park for trying to practice with his teammates. You had the least amount of time.

So in that one year's time, he's able to prove that not only can he win a Super Bowl, he made it back, even at that age, and then you watch things continually fall apart in New England. So I think he's already stated that case. And even if he brought in Bill Belichick to be the head coach, Tom Brady's not playing anymore. He's just the owner or a limited partner. I would challenge that by saying, because again, a lot of people looked at Tom Brady, put me in that group. Tom Brady was not the player in the pros that he was in college. Damn. Just wasn't.

No, he wasn't. That's not a knock. Tom was good in college. Could play some ball. But he was not the animal that he was in the league that he was in college. So I think people would push back and say, sure, was Tom Brady that went to Tampa Bay and did what he did and accomplished what he accomplished. But he had to learn that from somebody. He had to learn it from somewhere.

And all those years together, that standard, that accountability, you know, they make mention of the fact that how Belichick treated Brady so that he could set a tone with the rest of the players in the locker room so he would go at him the same exact way. He would go at any other player. There was a development that had to take place a Tom Brady to become the player. And a lot of it's personal, 100%. but there still could be the idea that without Bill Belichick, and I think a lot of people subscribe to that. Without Bill Belichick, Tom Brady does not become the Tom Brady that he is today.

Why would I want to deal with that debate? I don't want to deal with that debate if I'm Tom Brady. I dealt with that already. And even if I fall on one side or another, I just don't know. How does that apply? He's not playing anymore. That could create confusion within the organization, if you ask me. Because Billuzex, the head.

coach? I mean, it's not like there's, like, again, that debate's not there anymore. They're not a player coach. Yeah, but so what are you debating at that point? It's an owner coach. And now you're talking about philosophies of how you're going to draft, how the organization is ran. There's a lot of different things that come into play emotionally. I would say this. Do you think that Tom Brady, who's a byproduct of all that time and all those years in New England, isn't going to run that very similar to everything he did? Again, I think sometimes, Sometimes the thing that you learned the best, the person you learned the best from, sometimes you outgrow that person.

That's fine. Again, what else does he know? Is he going to say Bruce Ariens and the Glazer family and the way the bucks ran things during his three years there? All I'm saying is that what takes place between them is what takes place between them and they probably have a firm way of dealing with how one another treats the other, how one another is, but I don't necessarily think that that would be the collective feeling of everybody in that building. And while Tom Brady may not look at it that way, I just do not think

that with the personality that Bill Belichick showed being in New England, if he's going to be the guy that comes in and builds that program, the way that he built it to win where he was at before or where he's going to do it now, you have to be in a place where you're able to be who you are. And I just, again, Atlanta serves as a great example. It serves as a great example. Now, you throw in Tom Brady to the equation. I think it ups the stakes.

There's no way it doesn't up the stakes. I just don't really understand like the correlation of where you're going. I mean, I think the correlation is you're looking at a situation where can Tom Brady be the decision maker that he needs to be in the decision maker. He's a limited partner. Mark Davis is leaning on him. He's probably the future majority owner. Like, there's no disputing that.

It doesn't matter if Bill Belichick's the head coach or not. Yeah, but it doesn't mean that Bill Belichick has to subscribe to that. But if there is, he's going to get interviewed. It doesn't matter. This is all like hypothetical. Well, that's the whole conversation, Q? We're having a hypothetical conversation. That's what this is.

What else is it? It's a hypothetical conversation. We're not talking hypotheticals. We're talking the legitimacy. Well, you might be, but if you finish for a second, they decided to go with Pete Carroll instead of Bill Belichick. So we're not talking about a hypothetical. We're talking about a decision that was made.

Hypothetically. Okay, I'm giving you reasoning. And if you're saying that you think that it's because of somehow his legacy as a player and coach would factor into that. Like, I just, I don't get how that still applies. I don't know about legacy. I think it's reputation. I think it's a reputation.

Okay, then use reputation. How his reputation would factor in, being that they were a player or coach, I just don't really see how that matches up. I mean, he went up against Pete Carroll. I'm giving you the reasoning that I see. You don't have to see it. I'm just giving you the reason that I see.

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Brady Quinn. LaVar Arrington. Good morning, guys. Let's get things started here. The Chiefs getting ready for their fifth Super Bowl appearance in six years. So familiar territory for them, much like what we saw for the Patriots for about two decades or so. Well, yesterday on the herd, Colin talked to the Tom Brady. about utilizing extra time to prepare for the Super Bowl

and well he shared this. I like the extra time a lot because it gave me extra time to do all the prep that I needed to do. One of my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl, 2014, we're playing the Legion of Boom. It's Friday night before the Super Bowl. We've, of course, had like 11 or 12 days to prepare.

And it's probably like 9 o'clock. And I wasn't feeling great about the red area package we had. And I went in and Josh McDaniels is in the staff room. And I said, hey, we got to. to go through the red area. I said, it's just too hard down there. They play too much zone. So we install three plays on Friday night after two weeks of preparation. All the practice is done. And one of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafell, the first one of the game. And the second one is to Danny Amandola later in that game. And we hadn't practiced them at all for 11 days.

And it was just, I like to use every minute of prep going up into those games because they're the hardest ones to win. So there you go. Putting in new play. just days before the Super Bowl without any practice. Sounds like me getting ready for a show. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's about how it goes. Yeah. It feels like in circumstances like that,

you tend to lean towards Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes with extra time to prepare now? Probably. I think his record coming out byes would showcase that a bit. But the one thing I just say about the NFL is there are times where guys are drawing up plays on the sidelines making adjustments on things that you talked about in training camp nine weeks ago.

Sure. So as impressive as that is, you're still talking about adjustments that are made in real time and maybe stuff that wasn't practiced at all, or at least hadn't been for months, even though they'd been playing. So that's not that uncommon. I'm more impressed with this recall in talking about that moment. I agree. It sounded a little over-embellished, but, you know, I'm a former player. Damn.

Go figure. Why do you hate Tom Brady so much? I love Tom Brady. You know that. I love him to death. I don't get it. It just seemed a little over-embellish. Like, oh, you know, let me just tell you, my prep, that was the reason why, you know, the two of those guys scored in those plays.

I mean, first you air him out for being a mediocre quarterback in college, and then you question whether or not he can get over the past and hire Bill Belichick. I'm sick of this crap. Jeez, okay. You know, to all the people out there listening, hopefully I'm being accurate when I say Jonas is being sarcastic right now. What do you mean? Hopefully, I mean, maybe you might be serious. I would hope that you're not being serious. Damn.

All right, some other news out of the AFC North, Bengals, with some huge decisions to make this offseason regarding their two star receivers in Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, and Eddresher, T. Hendrickson. Well, Joe Burrow, their quarterback, he's chimed in. Here's what he had to say about Jamar and his teammates. Quote, I don't know what

more he could show or what more he could prove for himself. We have several guys like that who have stepped up for us and deserve to be paid. They deserve to be paid what they're worth. obviously talking about Jamar Chase there, who won the NFL's receiving Triple Crown, leading the league in receptions yards and touchdowns. Bengals, big decisions in the very near future to be game.

It seems like it would have sounded better if he said they will get paid. Meanwhile, the Bengals are returning items to the 99-cent store. Yeah, they're too busy trying to pay their bills. I mean, the thing is Joe Burrow knows. Those guys getting paid is probably good for him for a couple of reasons. One, he gets his receiver, keeps him happy. You know, we saw Jamar Chase hold out for his final year of eligibility in college football. So there's no doubt he would do that in the NFL as well.

He's got a business mindset. He wasn't practicing this training camp, correct? That's correct, yeah. Wasn't he in street closed this training can? He did more of, I mean, he held out, but he also did more of like a hold-in where he was a hold-in. Yeah, he was there. He was just in street clothes. Correct, correct.

And I'm saying he could fly out. He can miss time. But again, the reality is it's good for Burrow. He gets his number one receiver back. But also, they're going to have to come back to him to create cap space. That means more guarantees, probably signing about us more cash for him in the short term. You know, music, you seem really interested in this Bengals topic. What is it?

Oh, listen. You know, something. Got to declare the rooting interests. Spill the beans. All right, you can keep two of the three who you keep in. Hendrickson, Jemar Chase, T. Higgins. You got to go... I'd probably go Hendrickson and Jamar Chase.

That's right. I mean, and that's what's probably going to happen, even though Hendrickson could be a casualty too. Dang. Oh, damn. Why has it got to be him? Why can't it just be all three of them? Why can't you just bring them all three of them back?

Yeah. Chances. Bangles football, baby. That's right. Bang, bang. Most important thing in the AFC North right now. What? Those two?

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