The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Warren Moon

Episode Date: January 3, 2022

In this hour of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, Colin wonders if the Dallas Cowboys are indeed an elite team after they were manhandled through much of their game against the depleted Arizona Cardinals. Also, reflecting on the Los Angeles Rams' win over the Baltimore Ravens, Colin forgives the quarterbacks who have a high ceiling but make a few mistakes while winning. Finally, Hall of Fame NFL quarterback Warren Moon joins The Herd to offer insight on recent NFL quarterback play and the playoff picture taking shape.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Great to be in here. Joy Taylor is joining me. Those college football playoff games stunk. Rose Bowl was great. But the NFL, here we go. The great quarterbacks overwhelmingly are in, and the average stiffs are not. It was a great sports weekend. Really was. Not so great on Friday.

Well, if you're a Georgia Bulldogs fan, you don't want to hear any of this. If you're a Bama fan, you're like, why y'all, surprise? But the rest of the weekend was great. All right, right, Colin wrong, one hour from now. So Arizona was better than Dallas all day yesterday. There was never a doubt they were better despite missing several of their stars. Some things are going to always matter in football. I mean, we change all these sports now with analytics.

There's more views. There's more teams. There's more playoffs. There's more rules. Some things never changed in the NFL. A coaches and a quarterback's win Super Bowls. And there's very few exceptions. And Dallas has a B and a B plus.

Dallas once again has feasted. You guys keep calling it a Dax slump. I think it's what he is. Dallas has feasted again this year in a bad division, five and O against the NFC East, and their average six and five against everybody else. And Dallas has feasted on very average quarterbacks. They beat Taylor Heineckee twice.

They beat a very young Mack Jones in week six, had to go to overtime. They beat Mike Glennon. They beat Taysam Hill. Jalen Hertz just coming out of the shoot for Philadelphia. Six and five against everybody else. You know, it's funny. I watch this all the time.

The NFL is a salary cap sport. It's not baseball. It's a salary cap sport. What's my O is my rule? Pay big money rarely, very infrequently. Guarantee it. Don't have it ding your cap. So everybody in the media, oh, DAC deserves the big bag,

Big Bag, Dagda. It's funny. Media is great at paying people when they don't have the bank. Media wants to pay everybody. And now you're stuck with Dak, who's a B plus. quarterback, a great kid, a better intangibles than tangibles, 40 million a year. Do you watch that game with Kyler Murray? Do you watch third downs? Dak was three for 11 with excellent weapons.

Kyler Murray was missing D'Andre Hopkins, Rondell Moore, James Connor on the road, missing all of them. Third down, he was magical. Dak had his guys, three for 11. You watched them, really? Everybody in the media wants to pay everybody. It's like you ever run a business? It's a salary cap league.

Even in my tiny businesses, I don't have a salary cap. I have salary limitations. NFL's got a salary cap. And, you know, I've said this before. The Jalen Smith deal for the Dallas Cowboys. Jalen Smith's a great story and a great kid. But they paid him too much money. And he couldn't play due to injuries.

And you know who lost this weekend? The good stories. Cincinnati football. They deserve a job. chance. Not competitive. SEC's overrated. They won. Give Dak the bag. Good luck. Tua deserves an opportunity to carry this team. He stinks.

A.B. just deserves another chance. It's OBJ's fault. He's a bad guy. Poor Cleveland got unraveled. But no, he was great too. That's who won this weekend. The SEC, Nick Sabin, great quarterbacks. OBJ, you know, that's who won. So don't confuse great story with great team or great intangibles with great quarterback. Dak is pretty good. And so I picked the Cowboys to make the playoffs this year and be pretty good. Because with Dak, he'll always be pretty good because he's a leader.

He's a smart kid. He works hard. The players like him. He's athletic enough. But you're watching him and Kyler on the same field. Kyler's missing everybody. When Dak doesn't get 100 yards rushing, he doesn't win games. He doesn't beat good teams.

I mean, oh, he beat Justin Herbert. Yeah, no touchdowns, one interception. That was his game against Justin Herbert, who threw for almost 350 yards. So I guess the 2020 Dallas reality is, again, some things never change, although a lot changes in football and baseball and basketball, but A coaches, your Cofflins, your Andy reads, your Bill Walsh's, your Jimmy Johnson's. you start looking at all these Super Bowl coaches. I know, I know, I know, I know.

You're saying Mike McCarthy, Mike McCarthy won in Super Bowl. Aaron Rogers now is the only quarterback left in the National Football League that throws 40 touchdowns a year and almost no interceptions. Okay. I know, I know, I know what you're saying. And there are outliers. But when I look at McCarthy, I think he's a good B coach. And I look at Dak and I'm like, he's a B-B plus quarterback.

J'all wanted to pay him the bag. Okay, he's got it for several years. Boy, does he need to run in game and boy does he need to left tackle. And Kyler Murray yesterday didn't have a lot of stuff and on the road and it didn't matter. That's why I kept saying with Kyler Murray. I'm like young quarterbacks struggle more than like a Brady or an Aaron Rogers if they, you know, if they miss a star receiver or a star something. And he got, you know, Kyler yesterday got a couple pieces back, but not all of them. And yet he was magical.

Boy, was he good on third down. Mike McCarthy, though, he did nothing to see here. It's just we're all good here. Here's Mike McCarthy. I didn't view it as a measurement stick. I think we know who we are. And I think we have confidence that we can win any game anywhere. I think we've illustrated that so far this season.

Our focus was tight. It was about winning and improving. And, you know, our penalties were too high, you know, time of possession. You know, they made, you know, frankly, a couple more big plays than we did. That's not what happened yesterday. What happened yesterday is a team in Arizona missing several of its biggest stars, has a magical quarterback, went on the road and led every second of the game, and there wasn't really a point ever when you thought Dallas was better. That's what really happened yesterday. That was just word salad.

All right, let's talk Rams Roadwin. A lot of people beaten up on Matt Stapper, but I want you to think about this. Back in the 70s and 80s, now I know a lot of you don't remember this, there was kind of a fascinating, player. His name was Dave Kingman. He was like six-foot-six. He was this lanky, wiry, strong six-six guy. And all he did was strike out or hit home runs. Like that's all he did. And so he never got big money. He was considered sort of a limited player. Today, he would be Cody Bellinger of the Dodgers, who mostly strikes out and hits home runs. Now, Bellinger's better than Kingman, but the point is analytics makes us view the world differently. Is that Kingman had a lot of

Cody Ballinger. Like, now, Cody's a better defensive player, but analytics has said, ground ball's the death of you. Strikeouts aren't. Jack's strikeouts. And it's funny, football used to be different. You know, you'd have maybe the Rams, the greatest show on turf in St. Louis.

Like, you had a name for any great offense. Now you have divisions with three great offenses. You have conferences with seven, eight great offenses. It used to be, if you were a big offense, you got a nickname. It's a greatest show on turf. That team wouldn't even be the greatest offense in the NFC West. So it's funny about how the game has changed. It used to be if quarterbacks make mistakes, lose games, oh, boy, we're a loser.

You can't throw a pick six. You can't throw, oh, boy, you watch the NFL now. Guys are throwing for 35 touchdowns, 40 touchdowns, my home's through for 50 touchdowns. Yesterday, Tom Brady had a pick six. He won. Matt Stafford had a pick six. He won. Derek Carr had two picks. He won. In 2021, you can overcome a really bad mistake. What you can't overcome is Tua. What you can't overcome is low ceiling. You want to know the interception leaders in the NFL this year near the top? Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert. Those guys are all going to make the playoffs. Here's who's not. Jared Goff. Tua, Kirk Cousins.

You can't overcome average at that position. And so, you know, years ago, we just beat up on quarterbacks. If you looked years ago, it was like defensive coaches were 75% of the league. Offensive coaches now in every division. Every division in the NFC. Oh, by the way, the wild card teams, Philadelphia's got an offensive coach. San Francisco's got an offensive coach. And the NFC may just go all offensive coach.

Arians and Matt Lafleur and Mike McCarthy and Nick Seriani, start looking up and down. It's all offensive coaches. And increasingly, Zach Taylor, he's going to win his division, offensive coach. Andy Reid, he's going to win his division. Offensive coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know there's Belichick and Sean McDermott, but every coach in the AFCs is a defensive coach, so somebody's going to win it.

And I would argue Brian Daibols, the hottest coaching prospect as a coordinator in that division. So the best defensive coach, Belichick, has got a great O.C. And Sean McDermott's a defensive coach, and he's got a great O.C. It's very obvious what's happened. You can make mistakes. But you know what Matt Stafford did yesterday? Fourth quarter, eight for eight. Fourth quarter passer rating, 155.

Matt Stafford in the fourth quarter this year. 11 touchdowns, no picks. Look it up. Matt Stafford leads the entire NFL in second half passer rating. I can deal with Matt Stafford's pick six occasionally. What I can't deal with is Tua's ceiling. Matt Stafford yesterday is just getting crushed. Oh, it's another bad.

He leads the league when it matters. And that's what I want from a quarterback. Can you make – Carson Wentz is reckless. My problem is I don't see the ceiling this year. Sam Narnold's reckless. I don't get the ceiling. Matt Stafford's reckless? What does he got?

38 touchdown pass? I mean, yesterday. Faye, summed it up after the win in Baltimore. I thought he was at his best when his best was required. You know, we talk about competitive greatness all the time. He's a mentally tough guy, and that's what you want from your quarterback. When we had to have it, defense makes a stop. He made big throw after big throw in a clutch situation, and that's what the great players do.

Yeah, Stafford has been the NFL's best quarterback in the fourth quarter back. He has been the best. 11 touchdowns, no picks, number one passer rating. I can deal with some picks. All right, so Kansas City fans are yelling at the refs. So the Chiefs played the Bengals yesterday in what is folks between Burrough and Mahomes. Those guys are insane. I mean, listen, one quarterback in Ohio has 20 commercials.

One's a legitimate star. You can figure out which one. We'll talk about that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jek. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack.

I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack, so I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now, so... Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. One of the amazing things fans constantly do is blame referees. Because referees don't get on the plane home. So it's easy to blame the referees, as if the Kansas City Chiefs with 10 penalties played perfectly. But it's easier. or nobody wants to blame their players.

Cincinnati beat Kansas City yesterday, and Kansas City was the second best team in that stadium. Think I'm wrong? How many drops did Kansas City targets have? How many miss tackles did the Chiefs have? The Chiefs had two times as many penalties. Oh yeah, and Joe Burrell threw for 450 yards. Kansas City, your offense dried up in the second half.

You had a field goal. Cincinnati was the better team. And by the way, I could argue, situationally, and I don't know why coaches struggle with this, it may be ego or something, why didn't Kansas City just let Cincinnati score at the one-yard line? You've got a much better chance to let them score and let Mahomes come back and win than stopping them from scoring at all. Situationally, I would have let Cincinnati score. I've been saying that for years. I don't understand it. Let guys score, get over yourself. Spagnola, hey, you're not the head coach, pal. You're the

D.C. Head coach says let him score. If he doesn't, you fire him. Get the ball back to my star. But better tackling, better quarterback in the second half, better team in the second half, fewer drops. Well, that call, folks, you want perfectly officiated games. It's just not reality. The best teams won in college football this weekend. Ohio State and Georgia and Alabama and the best teams won in the NFL. And Kansas City has got a real, real interesting situation.

on their hands because the best quarterback, the best young quarterback in the NFL certainly may be Baham's, but second, maybe Joe Burrow, and third, maybe Justin Herbert, and fourth, maybe Josh Allen. So before you give Mahomes 10 Super Bowls,

those guys in the NFC, they're getting old. Brady's getting old and Russell and Aaron and Stafford. All the exceptional, transformational young quarterbacks, they're all going to a roadblock for Andy Reed and Patrick Malhombs, and that was on display yesterday.

I mean, Cincinnati and Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert, they have short memories. They just don't care if they throw picks. They've got an Andrew Luck quality I absolutely love. There were a couple calls. I didn't like it went Kansas City's way. But call out the receivers who dropped the ball and the missed tackles and the 10 penalties and situationally not allowing Kansas City to score and get the ball back. Kansas City is really good, probably on its best day in a neutral field, best team in the NFL.

But fans are demanding perfectly officiated games. He had 10 penalties. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, pretty predictable outcome to that Packers, Vikings game last night. I turned it off before halftime.

I cannot watch a great quarterback against an awful one on a standalone game. It's just, it's a hard watch. You knew by the end of the first quarter started the second, you're like, what am I doing here? I'm going to go watch Yellowstone. It wasn't great. It wasn't great. But look, that's the situation that the Vikings are in. And that's how it went.

So the Packers secured the number one seed in the NFC with a big 3710 win over the Vikings last night. Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams were lights out 136 yards and a touchdown. And Rogers said this is the first game he's played since the toe injury. where he hasn't had any issues. So that is a positive thing because also they will get the buy week. So he'll get an opportunity to rest it even more. And they play the Lions next week and they have everything locked up. So great news for the Packers who have had an incredible season.

And Aaron Rogers, who's had an MVP level season, he will now get lots of rest before the playoffs, which have to go through Green Bay. So I didn't love the idea of a 17th regular season game. I would much rather the NFL have an extended playoff, have the playoffs go another week, not the regular season. And this is what you're going to get.

Almost overwhelmingly games that don't matter. I mean, Cleveland tonight is out of the playoffs. Pittsburgh. Cleveland would be better off to not play Baker-Mayfield. Why would I injure my quarterback, not play Nick Chubb? Why would I play Miles Garrett? Why would I risk? You know what I'm saying?

I mean, at this point, you're playing for pride? Yeah. But I mean, again, and again, Cleveland's got another game next week. But when you extend seasons, it makes certain games at the end of the season not as relevant. Yeah, you're going to have for the, for the teams that are out, they're going to have longer stretches of games that don't matter. I saw this this morning. I don't know

if it's true, but somebody said it with conviction, so I'm going to guess this. That if the Jaguars beat the Colts next weekend, the Raiders' Chargers game, which is considered the best by the league, they both get in. It's a tie. They both get in. So they just, what's the point of the game?

Why would you play Justin Herbert or Derek Carr? It's like, I'm not going to risk my quarterback getting hurt. So, again, I'm always a fan of leagues all Fight for every league extending playoffs. Urgent games are great. But when you extend the regular season, you make all your money. But what we're going to see here in the next week and tonight.

It's just games that are. Tonight is interesting because it's Ben's last game. So there's a storyline to it. But you're not going to get a Hall of Fame of Retiring in every single one of these, you know, standalone games that don't matter. But this season for the backers has been incredible. So they'll have a first round by for the third straight season. They've also won 13 games.

in three straight seasons. That's the start of the Matt LaFleur era, who I don't think gets a lot of credit. When you're coaching Aaron Rogers, it defaults to him, which in a big chunk of a way it should to have this conversation about Tom Brady and Bill Belichick for a long time.

No, I'm not comparing Matla Flore to Bill Belichick. Just saying when you're coaching an all-time great quarterback, you're not going to get the credit for what goes on. But this is an incredible start. Well, think about this. Think about Phil Jackson. You and I watched the Jordan documentary. There was so much.

chaos that Phil Jackson had to monitor. Then he got Shaq and Kobe, and they could do a documentary on that someday. And those guys couldn't stand each other by the end. So it's like talent is great, but I had somebody say, I'm not going to say who the quarterback is, but he's one of the five best quarterbacks of all time. And I have a friend who knows the owner of that team. And he's like, I love that quarterback, but by the end, he was exhausting. Like he was a all-time talent. He was unbelievable. I don't want to call him out. But The owner's like, we loved him, but on the way out, we're like, we'll take a new guy. I'd like to get control of my organization again.

Well, that's kind of how it goes sometimes with talent. After a while, you get more power and then the balance can be off. But we talk a lot about coaches, obviously, what they do on the field. But we don't account for those things that we see in the documentaries that go on. Like, that's their job also is to manage and control these massive organizations and teams and egos. And there's a lot going on. You're not sleeping with your ringer off if you're head coach. So the Eagles got a very important win over Washington yesterday.

Wow, that was, let me tell you something. That's going to go down. So I'm just blown away by Philadelphia. Me too. Limitations, but they just figure out ways to win. Well, they started slow, 16-7 at the half, and then they shut down Taylor Heineke. The defense was great, and they kept Washington's scoreless for the rest of the games to win 20 to 16.

Nick Siriani praised Jalen Hertz's toughness. and he continues to fight through an ankle injury, and thanks to some help around the league, the Eagles have clinched their spot in the playoffs. I'm very impressed with Nick Seriani and the Eagles. We were wrong. We were very wrong about the Eagles. Totally. And by the way.

Not Jalen Hertz. I always liked Jalen Hertz. I was not a fan. I thought it was ridiculous that they were having a quarterback competition at the beginning of the season. But they have overcome what we thought was a very dysfunctional situation in Philadelphia, and they just continue to find ways to win. And they have a ton of draft picks,

And if they spend those on the O line, there's no reason to think this running game won't continue on. Because right, they're kind of in a rebuild situation in certain spots. Like the O line's getting old and the D line. Well, they have all these draft picks. It's a very good O line class. So there's a, you know, you look at it and you think, the draft kind of works for Philadelphia.

They don't need a quarterback. What they need is more ammo up front. Get Miles Sanders some help at running back. And it's like, it's a fascinating story. We say this, Joy. You don't have to be great to make the playoffs. but you have to be great at something. Yes.

And they are great running. They absolutely are. And then there was also a little incident at the end of the game where the railing collapsed as Jalen Hertz was walking out. That was crazy. Yeah, it was kind of scary. We're showing it here. Some fans fell on top of him.

He didn't actually hit him. He was okay. And no one got injured. And he did stay and take pictures with the fans afterwards, which was nice. But obviously in a... Look at this thing. Yeah. It is, that is frightening.

It's scary. It's scary. Yeah. I mean, this is going really badly. The fans jump up. Hey, can we have a selfie? I was glad no one was hurt. And obviously the Jalen Hertz wasn't hurt, but it's nice of him to to stay there and check on everybody. They're actually so excited. But I'm glad it went the way it did. So the other major story yesterday was Antonio Brown, leaving the Bucks win over the

jets in the middle of the third quarter. He took off his helmet and his jersey and his shoulder pads on the sideline. He was throwing things into his stands, his undershirt and gloves and he waved goodbye to the crowd as he walked off the field. Everyone was kind of trying just to figure out what was going on because we were seeing these pictures on social media and it was coming up and updates like what happens that he just all of a sudden is on the field with all of his gear off. And after the game, Bruce Ariens was quickly to say that he is no longer part of the team. What happened to Antonio Brown? Did he quit? I've never seen a guy leave a field like that

and is just the last strike for him. He is no longer a buck. All right, that's the end of the story. Let's talk about the guys that we're not there and won the game. So Jay Glazer reported that Bruce Ariens said he was trying to get AB to go into the game, and Antonio Brown refused. He tried again, and Antonio Brown refused again, and Ariens told him to get out. I'm going to go ahead and guess that he didn't mean get out of the game.

He probably just meant to get away from him. Pretty sure Bruce Ariens did not ask him to do this. Antonio Brown reportedly felt he was too injured to return to the game, and Tom Brady said afterwards we all want him to get the help in any way that he needs. We all love him deeply. Unfortunately, he won't be with our team. People should be compassionate and empathetic with things that are happening. I would be more compassionate if he'd not treated so many people, men and women, so poorly.

Like Josh Gordon was a player with an addiction. Correct. I'll put my arms around him. He's a flawed person. I could literally go five minutes, Wikipedia, A.B. How he's treated people. Men, women, delivery drivers, teammates. It's harder for me to be compassionate when I see how you've treated people.

I mean, Tom Brady basically let him move in with his family. You don't, in that moment, think, I'm really upset, but I'm not going to embarrass the organization. Tom let you move in with his kids, with his family. So I know everybody, and I'm not a mental health expert. I'm not going to have any, I have no opinion on mental health. I have no idea. But I heard that like four teams ago. But if you treat people poorly over time, I'm going to have a hard.

harder time putting my arms around you and excusing you. We have enough evidence that this is a pattern of behavior with Antonio Brown that once you make things rock bottom and there are no options, he is functional. That's what it was with the Bucks to begin with, right? When Bruce Narians came out and said, there are no options available to you

for any kind of mistakes. You would be cut. We believed it. And what did Antonio Brown do last year? He was successful with that organization. Yeah. What happened this year? Antonio Brown messed up. Fake vaccine card. Bruce Ariens.

I'm not judging him for this because he's trying to win football games. That's his job. Kept him on the team after he made a massive mistake and was suspended. What happens? Unravels because now he knows he has some wiggle room. I mean, if I could get away with that, what can I get away with? Yeah. To your point, when there's a pattern of behavior that is destructive, when you're treating other people badly,

you may have mental health issues. but as an adult, it is your responsibility to take care of them. Everyone is going through things. Everyone deals with terrible things. That's not an excuse to treat people terribly. Yeah. People have real mental health struggles and aren't terrible to other people. It's your responsibility to handle your business, to go and get yourself help.

Yeah. And I just, you know, I wish him the best. I never, you know, I never seek perfection from me, my staff, my athletes. Athletes make mistakes. I totally get it. But man, if you got a pattern with men and women and delivery truck drivers. There's a difference between mistakes and character. A massive, massive difference.

Everyone has grace to make mistakes. Yes. When you're doing this team after team after team. And a person after person after person. Like I just... Two things can be true. You can need help and you can also not be treating people well. Yeah.

Like those two things can exist at the same time. And it's not everyone's responsibility to continue to give you opportunities when you are choosing not to better yourself, is clearly what the situation is. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. You know, I was talking about, there's so many different things today,

watching Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes, it's just, I've always said it doesn't take long to spot great. And I've said this before. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest. I was a Washington Husky fan. We always had average quarterbacks. And then we brought Warren Moon up from a junior college in Los Angeles, and we got to a Rose Bowl.

and you can go back and watch Warren Moon's YouTube clips in college. I don't care if it's Dan Marino. I don't care who it is. When you watch Joe Burrow, I mean, Baker's on his fourth coach. Joe Burroughs on his first. That kid is, I don't know how to explain it. That kid's magical. Now, Jamar Chase is really good.

But there's good receivers all over this league. Warren Moon now, the Hall of Famer, joins us nine Pro Bowl, 17 years, college Hall of Fame, Canadian Football League Hall of Fame, NFL Hall of Fame. You know what? I watched Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert and some of these guys and the size they can move. I mean, you were rare, Warren. You were tall arm. You could move.

You were unique. You grew up in an era where that's not the way it was now. When you watch some of these young guys play, Mahomes and Burrough and Herbert and Josh Allen, what do you see? Well, I love it. I love the versatility of all these guys. They're able to move around and make things happen with their arm when they need to. but the most important thing is they can throw the football from the pocket and throw it with great accuracy. They grow up with great velocity.

And they have a certain amount of swag to them as well. And I think that's what makes them different. And like you said, I was that way back in the day, but you almost got penalized for being a guy who can move around back in the day when I played. But nowadays, you have to have that in order to make the plays the outside the pocket and be able to move around and by time because there's such great athletes on the field on the defensive side of the ball. If you don't have those type of abilities, you're not going to do very well. So I love what these guys are doing right now. You know, it's interesting.

I'm watching Tyler Huntley play well this weekend. Jalen Hertz is running around. Kyler Murray was absolutely filthy on third down yesterday. I mean, it's just incredible what he can do missing all these stars. And they're undersized. It's not your classic quarterback. Do you worry at all with all of them that could Kyler get? Kyler got dinged up again this year.

Jalen's been banged up. Tyler Huntley's pretty small. And they all throw, they can all make plays. But do you worry a little bit about they go from mobile to Uber mobile? Like it's a different, it's more a part of their game. Does that worry you at all? It worries me a ton. You look at Lamar Jackson right now.

He's not on the field for the Baltimore Ravens. And he hasn't been for the last three weeks. And even though the backup has done very well, he's not, he's not Lamar Jackson. He's not the dynamic player that Lamar Jackson is. He also gives their team belief that they'll win games when he's playing. So these guys that do move around a lot, they're going to be more susceptible to injury. And you've seen these guys get banged up a little bit over the course of the season. And it bothers me as far as their longevity in the game of football, not just this year,

but how long they'll actually last in their career. You know, Warren, it's interesting. I'm looking at the standings this morning. And every coach that's going to make the playoffs, as of now in the NFC is an offensive coach. Even the wildcard teams. It's Shanahan. It's LaFleur. them all. Now, the

AFC's got more NFC coaches. In fact, the AFC East, it's four defensive coaches, but it's clear what is happening in this league. And, you know, I look at Mike Zimmer and Vic Fangio. I think they're capable, Warren. I do. You had Don James.

He's the classic old school coach in college. But Warren, I start looking around this league and it's pretty obvious what's happening if you're Denver, Minnesota. And as good as I think Zimmer can be, I do feel like they need to be more progressive offensively. That's my gut feeling.

Am I overstating it or not that you couldn't hire a defensive coach. I think Sean McDermott's terrific. Brian Flores. Terrific. But man, it feels like there's a massive cultural swing here. Do you agree with that? In Minnesota, it might be time for a change. You know, it might be time for a more offensive-minded coach.

Mike Zimmer's done a really good job there, but they've only been able to get so far. Kurt Cousins, his contract doesn't allow them to move on from him because he's guaranteed, I guess, for another couple of years. So it's easier to move the coach than it is to move the player. So it might be time for that to happen in Minnesota and go with a more offensive-minded brain trust as they go forward because they do have some really good weapons on the offensive side of the ball with Delvin Cook and Jefferson and Thielen. And they've got some really good players to work with. So it might be time for an offensive mind to come in and direct. those guys. Yeah, no, I think it's, I want to ask you about Derek Carr. So, you know, I've said for years,

he feels like in a world of chaos, he's the life preserver keeping this puppy afloat. And, you know, yesterday was a classic example. He chopped it up a little bit. But in the end, with all these receivers out, his star-tied end out, he makes a huge throw to Hunter Renfro, one of his only healthy receivers. I really, I really like Derek. I'm not saying he's Mahomes, but, um, there's a ro-mo quality to him. He's just kind of good when it matters. How do you view him? Not the perfect size, not the big arm, not wildly mobile,

but how do you view him? You know, I was kind of critical of him a couple of years ago because I felt like he wasn't pushing the ball down the field. He was taking a lot of checkdowns and really wasn't being aggressive with the offense. But here over the last couple of years, been much more aggressive as a quarterback throwing the ball down the field. It's unfortunate this year that, you know, Derek Waller,

is not in the lineup, his best receiver. Henry Ruggs is not in the lineup now because of the situation he got in with the accident. So he doesn't have the weapons that you would want him to have, especially if you want to drive the football down the field with those type of speed guys. So I love what he's doing, keeping his team in contention, making plays with what he has to work with. I like what Derek Carr is doing right now. Yeah, I think people have to realize he lost his speed receiver.

So there's a vertical element gone. Waller's probably the second best tight end, gone. He's kind of a vertical tied in. So when you watch Derek, he's not scoring 35, 40 points. Those players are gone. There's no freebies now. He's got to make accurate passes down the field. I think they've been an incredible story.

By the way, I never asked for my athletes to be perfect. We all make mistakes. With A, B, though, what really bothers me, Warren, he just has a track record. We all make mistakes of not treating people well. And that bothers me. And as a friend I talked to yesterday, I'm compassionate, but it's not an endless reservoir.

You have to be at least make an attempt. And when I watched A, B, yesterday, I'm like, I'm kind of done with it. I feel like I'm just done with it. How did you view it? Well, I think they're probably done with it. I mean, they released him after the game. And, you know, he's had a ton of second, third, and fourth chances. So this might be the last stop for him, but you just never know in this league because

the Bucks actually said they were done with him if he got in trouble one more time. and they still brought him back because they needed him. So there's always still this need in the National Football League or in sports that if you can still play and help us, we're going to give you another chance. But clearly I think there's something wrong with AB emotionally and mentally that he needs to get a grip on and maybe get some help because these things have been happening for quite a period of time

over a number of years, a number of different organizations. It doesn't matter who's tried to reach out and try and help him. We still get the same results. So I think he needs to get some personal professional help, and maybe that will help him where he can get back on the football field because he's still a very talented guy. But if you're continually disrespecting and not treating people with respect, you don't deserve a chance to play in the National Football League

because it's not a privilege. I mean, it's not a right. It's a privilege. Warren, it's great seeing you, the Hall of Famer. Be well. Happy New Year to you and your fam. Hey, same to you, Colin. I'll talk to you down the road. All right, right, Colin wrong at the top.

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Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast Not a shock that Cleveland, Denver, Minnesota, Miami, Atlanta, and Washington were all eliminated yesterday. Most teams just pretty average at quarterback are slightly above. The gap between great quarterback talent in this league, it feels like it's never more obvious, clear, and evident than now. Why would that be? I've got a theory for you.

I've thought about this, and I'm going to throw it your way. You've watched Jeopardy, right? they used to have a certain restriction on Jeopardy. You could only win five shows a week. And if you were smart, you would win five shows. But you never really knew the difference between somebody who was like genius smart, like 160 IQ smart, and smart enough to win Jeopardy. And then Jeopardy lifted that restriction.

And Ken Jennings won 74 straight weeks. And Jeopardy James won multiple millions. Now you saw the gap between smart enough to win Jeopardy and, oh, that's 160 IQ. Restrictions were lifted. The NFL has done the same thing. It used to be hard to tell the difference between great and pretty good. I'll take Troy Aitman's best year. 15 touchdowns, 6 picks, 99 passer rating.

Hall of Famer. I'll take pretty good. Bernie Cozhar's best year. 22 touchdowns, nine picks, 95.5 passer rating. Same era. But in that era, there were so many defensive tactics that were allowed, grabbing wide receivers, taking cheap shots at tight ends.

Receivers did not want to go over the middle. And then the NFL lifted those, subtracted those, eliminated those. And now it's incredibly clear, just like Jeopardy. There's good. And then there's, oh, there's Jeopardy James. There's Ken Jennings didn't lose for months. Restrictions lifted on Jeopardy. Defensive tactics eliminated.

They were hurting players, hurting the game. Bad for safety. Bad for the league. Now Aaron Rogers this year, 35 TDs and four picks. and Joe Burrow, 34 TDs, 14 picks. Matt Stafford, going to end up with 40 touchdowns and 15 picks. Those are the great ones. And the pretty good ones, Matt Ryan, 90-passer rating, 19 TDs 11 picks.

Ryan Tannahill, 17 TDs, 14 picks, 86-passer rating. Pretty obvious now, isn't it? Bad weather hurts the great quarterback, not the pretty good one. restrictions on jeopardy hurt the geniuses, not just the pretty smart people. What you're seeing in the NFL now, the gap between the top seven or eight and everybody else is so significant that we say things now like, man, Aaron Rogers makes it look like seven on seven. Joe Burrow, this is like 500 yards a weekend. That's what happens when you take out dirty football, grabbing receivers, cheap shots.

And what's great about the league is you, the consumer, get those guys on your fantasy team, you're going to have a lot of fun. The game is more fun to watch. There's wild scoring. You're never out of games if you have a great quarterback. I mean, Mahomes was down 24-9 in a playoff game. Just got a couple of completions. We're ready to go. So you're never out of games if you have one of these seven,

guys. Here's the downside. At any one time, there's only seven or eight of those guys. And Buffalo has one, and the Chargers have one, and the Rams have one, and Cincinnati has one, and Green Bay has one, and I think Seattle has one, and Tampa has an old one. They're not all of them. But what's happened in this league, years ago, Aikman and Bernie Cozar, I mean, you knew one was better, but you take their best years, and it's kind of that we've just talked. We've just made it, if you're great now, this stuff is, there are times watching Joe Burrow

and Justin Herbert and Patrick Mahomes, there are times you're watching Aaron Rogers, and it is just, he's just picking stuff apart. It is a seven-on-seven drill. And if you've got Aaron Rogers, that is fantastic. And if you don't, it's no good.

But I'm watching Kyler Murray yesterday. You throw in the mobile element now? I mean, he didn't have his best players. He didn't have James Connor. He didn't have the Andre Hopkins. He didn't have his best rookie. Third down, you still can't stop him. You may not like it.

I do. I always said, everybody loves a great defense if it's theirs. But if I told you, the Super Bowl is going to be six to three this year. Like, really? Or 2827, what would you pick? People only like great defense if it's theirs. Fantasy, scoring, touchdowns. So the NFL has just eliminated those.

jeopardy restrictions. And so for the really smart people on that show or the really great quarterbacks in this NFL show, sky's the limit. 50 touchdown years, sky's the limit. So that was my weird theory. You can do it with it what you want. I don't really care.

Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, top of next hour. What a fun weekend. What a fun weekend, unless you had to face the SEC. Brutal. Listen, if you follow recruiting, and I'm a dork, Alabama and Georgia, over the last five years, have had the best total recruiting classes. They have the most good athletes. And it's not just your starters, but you see it with Alabama and Georgia.

They can just bring it a second back and a third corner and a fourth receiver and a fifth defensive lineman. It's just the depth and the onslaught and the speed. And folks, all the great college coaches are great recruiters. In the NFL, the margins are thin. You've got to be able to coach schemes. Urban Meyer can dominate college, right? Because he's a great recruiter. But you put him in the NFL.

You put Matt Rule in the NFL where it's players are even now and you may not have the best players. Now it's schemes. And that's the McVeves and the Belichick's and the Andy Reid's. Yeah, you can't just rely on talent. You just can't go over. Roll them out. No, it's a different world.

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