The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Warriors, Eagles, Broncos

Episode Date: October 6, 2022

Colin discusses a potential suspension for Draymond Green after fighting with a teammate and why this is a good thing for the Warriors The Eagles are having a great season but they're a year or two away from contending for a title The Broncos must win tonight against the Colts   Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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NFL moves into its second month. Huge, huge weekend of college football. It feels like upsets all over the place, potentially in college football. Good weekend to sit around watching sports. You've got two bets for tonight. But, Colin, fight club in the NBA? How about that?

So let's talk about that. Ramon Green, feisty Draymond Green, got into a fight with Jordan Poole. They had to be separated. Draymond, you know, been around the block, a lot of rings, a lot of money, tough guy, Jordan Poole, he's a reserve, one of the first off the bench. When Steph sits, he can come in and score. They love him in Golden State. Warrior fans love us.

So here's the reality with this story. My first thought was championship teams tend to get apathetic and comfortable. The Buccaneers, remember they won? They brought back all their coaches and all their players. At the end of last year, Brady said, we lacked focus. We weren't the same team. We were content. Part of New England's dynasty.

They tried to even replace Brady with Jimmy Garapolo until Robert Kraft the owner stepped in. The hatchet was always there. You could be cut. But the NBA is different because of the contracts. You can't be cut in the NBA. So after you win championships, you need Draymond Green to bark at the established stars in Steve Kerr and to challenge the future stars, Jordan Poole. It would be great if Steph could do that. Kobe was unrelenting after championships, during championships, Michael Jordan punched teammates.

Tom Brady still throwing tablets. but that's not who Steph Curry is. He doesn't throw stuff. He's not going to punch a teammate. He's not quite as obsessed or intense as Kobe Bryant. It would be great if your star was that. Brady is. Michael was.

Kobe is. Wasn't Shaq. Shack got content, put on some weight, little apathetic, wanted to do movies. It was Kobe, Shaq, Brady. But that's not Steph. So who does it for this team? Because 99% of people in America and 99% of great athletes.

And I'm talking great ones. They get their money. They get their fame. They're good. You got to have somebody when you win a championship to poke you. Rodman did it for the Bulls. Udonis Haslam's done it for Miami. Bruce Bone and Rodman did it for the Spurs.

Lambeard did it for the Pistons. And all did it differently. Haslam is more wisdom at this point, leadership. Lambeer could hit, he could hit 24 points in the game. He could score. He was a tough guy. go tackle you. Bowen could hit the corner three, but he was glued defensively. Rodman was a little out there, and Draymond Green knows exactly what he is. He's the tough guy. He's the Barker. He's the

communicator. He's the villain. Offensively, he's often a catalyst. For players like Lambeer and Rodman and Bowen and Haslam, you ever noticed how much those franchises know how good they are? I mean, Is Haslam still playing? I mean, seriously. Miami knew how valuable he was. And the Warriors, for the occasional misstep by Draymond, and I don't classify this as that, they know the value of it. All you have to do is look at the data.

When he was on the floor with the Warriors last year defensively, it was the best team in the league since the Duncan Spurs. When just Draymond was off the floor in the regular season, they were 13th in the league last year. He's the best communicator. He'll guard the tough guy. He makes the warriors able to play small ball where teams can't catch up. Don't rely on him and he knows it. He's not the score.

He's not the coach. He's not the most important person. But guys like Draymond Green are why the Warriors don't become the bucks last year, unfocused. Yeah, the Warriors had a couple down years when everybody got hurt. but you go look at great teams. In the NFL, right? In the NFL, we know this. The Eagles won a championship.

Everybody got a book deal through parades. Haven't been the same since. Tampa Bay last year wasn't the same. Rams don't look quite as jelled this year. I'll fight forever for the Dremonts, the Bowens, the Haslums, the Lambirs, the Rodmans. You hate it when they're rivals. But those teams and those players sign those guys over and over again.

Rodman, until the very end, always had a good team that was interested. He started with Detroit and San Antonio said, we want him. And then Chicago said, we want him. One luck he went to lousy teams. Phil Jackson wanted him. Popovich wanted him. Chuck Daly had him. The smart people understood the value of him and they get it with Dremont.

So, um, yesterday. day Donovan McNair or the day before, former Eagle Donovan McName. Right now, Philadelphia is playing really good football. But you can be fooled in this league. It happens all the time. You see it in college football where you're playing a weaker conference, you have a weaker schedule. I've talked about this year with the Packers. They played the Bears.

Tampa Bay was missing all their receivers. And last week, the Patriots were down to their third quarterback. Both Tampa and I believe New England beat Green Bay if they're healthy. They weren't. And they, you know, those wins count. But Donovan McNabb says the Eagles may look like the best team in the league, but he didn't buy him as a Super Bowl team yet. I personally think that this team, just from what we're seeing right now,

they're about a year or two away. And I say that because I think they have to continue to play together. The core of players on this particular team are kind of toward the end. Fletcher Cox to Kelsey's. We were young. We had already been the NFC champion. And we were just one piece away from being the three NFC championships. This team here is just trying to find a way to get a playoff win.

I like what they're doing. They're going to continue to grow. Pieces that no one expected to step up are really stepping up. So I'm excited of the run. I'm just going to enjoy the moment and continue to watch this growth. You know, if you're really brutally honest, every year in the big sports, there's really four teams that can win a championship. like in baseball this year.

There's really four teams that can win. Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, Braves. Mets don't have enough sticks. I thought early in the year it would happen. The Mets won 100 games, but even their own fans have issues. They don't have enough sticks to win. Let's go to the NBA. Warriors, Buck, Celtics Clippers.

We don't trust the Sixers. James Hardin postseason. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be great. M. Beads health late. Cross your fingers. not a championship team, but they can fool you like the Mets because they have their moments. They go on streaks, but they've got flaws. Same in college football.

There's four teams that can win it. Bama, Georgia, Ohio State Clemson. Michigan's too young at quarterback, and I don't think they have the personnel of those four. In the NFL, if you're brutally honest, I think there's four teams that can win it. The chiefs and the bills are obvious. The NFC's weaker, so you have to count Brady, all those players in the box. and the Niners are missing five high-end starters, and they're still physically pushing everybody in the league around.

When the Niners get healthy, it's the best roster in the league, and Garoppola already made one Super Bowl, and the NFC was much tougher the year he made it. It is wide open now. And then there's the Eagles. And I think the Eagles, like the Sixers and like the Mets, fool you. The Mets don't have the hitters. I don't trust the chemistry, Hardener and Beads held for the Sixers.

Let's be honest about Philadelphia. Buffalo's missing five to six starters, high-end starters, pro bowlers. San Francisco similarly, missing their best safety, best corner, two defensive linemen, a Hall of Fame left tackle, a star running back. Philadelphia is healthy. They've gotten breaks with weather. It's a run team and they've played in a couple of soggy games. Last year they got into the playoffs and they kind of fooled.

us, right? Nine and eight got into the playoffs. What were they against playoff teams last year? Do you remember? Oh, and six. And at one point in that playoff game, trailed 31 to nothing. You think that's a Super Bowl team? They're healthy. They've gotten a weather break. They've yet to play from behind in the second half of a football game. We know Buffalo can play from way behind. We know, we saw it against Baltimore. We know Kansas City plays way behind. We know Brady plays way behind. We've seen Garapolo at Lambo outplay Aaron Rogers as an underdog.

Philadelphia is a great story. They've got great momentum and a great, great ascending young player at quarterback. But a Super Bowl team holding a trophy, there's usually four. There's always that one, the Sixers, the Mets, the Eagles. You kind of taught Michigan football. You kind of like watching them. They got something, but there's something there that deep down, if you're honest, you can't trust. This team got hammered in the playoffs last year.

This team has not trailed in the second half. They've gotten weather breaks. They're way healthier than San Francisco, Buffalo, the Rams, Tampa. Not that they're fools gold. They're going to win their division. And I think they'll win 12 or 13 games. It's a real team. Nick Sariani.

Never come close to winning a playoff game. We're going to put him in there with Brady and Aaron Rogers and eventually Andy Reid and Josh Allen. I just can't. Not yet. Donovan McNabb was right. Joe Burrow said something yesterday that I think the fans get, but the media continues to struggle with. That is coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1.

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And one of the reasons I chose him to do a weekly podcast. I think he's very Midwest, very authentic, very real. His story is relatable. He went to Ohio State, had to transfer, a lot of doubters. Dad was a coach.

All the things that America loves. Midwest works hard. No baloney. Really good kid. We got talking about Tua's injury because last Thursday he played in that game with Tua. And we talked about Tua goes down. Poor Teddy Bridgewater has to walk in. It had to be brutal.

But Joe Burrough said, listen, it was brutal. I felt bad for Teddy. He went and talked to him after the game. But we talked about the risk of concussions as a football player. at somewhere. I don't remember the second half or I don't remember the entire game or I know that I got a little dizzy at one point, but nothing long lasting. You know, you're going to have head injuries.

You're going to tear your ACL. You're going to break your arm. That's the game that we play. That's the life that we live and we get paid handsomely for it. And so I'm, I think, going into every game and, you know, we know what we're getting ourselves into. I've got a lot of people in my life who are football players and former football players. The game has never been safer.

You can't hit anymore at OTAs. You'll lose draft picks. You'll be fine. You can't hit at OTAs. Hitting at practice is brief in August. Brief. Rules have eliminated headshots. There are no two a days.

Equipments better. In college, once the season starts, there is no more hitting for most teams. I think the fans have always understood this much more than the media. The media sometimes feel it's their job to police sports and police politicians. I get that. But when I talk to fans all the time, like it's UFC, I wouldn't do it. But not everything is for everybody. Football is a big man's game.

Zach Wilson's slight, two is small. Not getting hurt a lot. And my guess is, two is not in the sport in three to four years. But he's good now. He's leading an excellent team now. And Zach Wilson has a promising future. But there are inherent risks for a lot of professions. Cops, firemen, guys on oil derricks, UFC fighters.

Some NFL pay really, really handsomely. I think the fans have always understood that. It's the media that often pushes back that they're policing it. And I think football players, when I talk to them, former and current, they know the risks. They have a chance to make generational money. Famous, last forever. Infamous and famous, both last forever. And is there a better brotherhood than the National Football League?

Teams often hire players. They work in community service. They work in the front office. They work as scouts. They work as coaches. They work as trainers. The NFL is one big brotherhood. It really is.

It's a remarkable net of people that all know one thing if they played. there's a regulated level of violence. But when you step onto that field, by the time you're a high school player, you know there's a little bit of a risk. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with the Dallas Cowboys. Cooper Rush won all three of his starts three and oh.

Now, listen, he hasn't beaten great competition. I think we've talked about that. But there is some speculation. I'll just say very little speculation. that Rush could keep the starting job when DAC is healthy. Michael Irvin, former cowboy great, quickly shut down that idea. And he's happy to give the Cowboys, that the Cowboys are giving DAC time to heal.

Here's what Michael Irvin said. This week here, I won't Cooper Rush to start. I don't care how healthy Doc is because that's the best place we go. If Cooper Rush wins, it helps us because then we come back and said, man, we ain't even at full strength. And we beat the world champ. If Cooper Rush lose, then we still good, He said, we ain't even have full strength.

When we get the full strength, we get beat them. But if that's in that game and things go wrong and things we don't come up, then, oh, my God, I'm going to get around here. We'll start. So it's the right situation, the right thing. And absolutely, when that gets real healthy, he gets back on the football football. I rarely agree, Colin, with Michael Orvin. I'm going to agree with him here, obviously.

Yeah, Mike? You like the Rams in this game. I do. I'm a little nervous, but I want to check the injury report. Let me know injuries are big. Well, the Rams have already lost another offensive lineman. Yeah. You know, and also the thing is with backups, generally.

Now, Teddy Bridgewater, to me, is a starter, not a backup. Like, he's currently a backup, but when he plays for Miami, he's not as good as Tua, but Teddy Bridgewater, to me, is an NFL starter on a lower-end team. Okay. He's not, I don't view him as a backup. Cooper Rush is a backup. Generally, the way it works with backups is that they're fine until about week four or five or six playing. Remember Kyle Allen went to winning streak?

That's right. Carolina. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, you get three games of film and you're like, can't do that, can't do that, can't do that. Remember, Gino Smith is winning, but Gino Smith was drafted as a starter and was a starter. Cooper Rush has never been anybody's starter. Andy Dalton was. Gino Smith was.

Maybe they're not as good as you project them to be. So when Gino is, Gino's big, Gino can move, Gino's got an arm. Cooper rushes a backup. There's an argument to be made. We have seen the absolute best of Gino, and now he faces the best corner in the league, the best defensive lineman in the league, one of the best head coaches. So right now it feels like, oh, Cooper and Dack. But we do know that Dack over the course of his season doesn't really have highs and lows

as much as you kind of know he's a B plus guy. Cooper's a C-plus guy Because there's not a ton of footage on him in film He looks right now like a B He's not, he's a C My concern is when you look at the actual matchup Just like the X's and O's Dallas has a big edge in the trenches

I can't get over how bad the Rams have been But this was against the 49ers Who we agree is one of the best teams in the league A little come down facing McCarthy and the Cowboys All right next up Kenny Pickett He gets his first start in the NFL Sunday And welcome to the NFL Kid you got to face the Buffalo Bills, who are the Super Bowl favorites,

and they are 14-point underdogs in Pittsburgh, the largest they've been in franchise history. Pickett says that the team doesn't view themselves that way. You guys, everyone else thinks we're under dollars, but we don't. So we're going to go in there with some confidence. We know how great we can be when we're detailed, and we execute at a high level. So that's something that we need to take care of during the week or we won't have a shot. So it's the details, it's the little things, you know, guys run at the right depth.

I got to be on time, give a great ball. They'll make the plays. The line will protect. They've been doing an unbelievable job all year. So I have a ton of confidence in those guys. So it's really everyone doing their 111, and we'll be okay. So I haven't really mentioned this yet this week. I was kind of saving it for tomorrow, but let's unload it here.

Do you know who the Buffalo Bills play next week? Kansas City Chiefs in Kansas City. Rematch of the AFC title game. We know their rivals, the two best teams in the league. Also, Buffalo may rest some of these fringe. starters who, not French starters, but they've got a lot of guys that are not quite ready to play, may be game time decisions. And you're coming off a big game in Baltimore where you exhausted a lot in the second half.

Listen, we know Buffalo is better than Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh did go there last year. Remember in the season opener, Tomlin shocked them. They had a big special team score. I'd just be careful laying the lumber two touchdowns with Buffalo when they know the chiefs are on deck. They could go up 21-0 and kind of pulling the oars, go into cruise control. Just be careful here, folks.

All right, final game. Aaron Rogers has a new three-year deal with the Packers in March, but he's still taking it year by year, Colin, when deciding how long he's going to play. His rookie receivers have shown promise, and Rogers says that their development will be a factor in his decision to stay in Green Bay. There's going to be a lot of benefits to be reaped from those guys. So I'm sure long after I'm gone, those guys get out of an opportunity to be here and play.

Look, my decision when it comes down, to it will be obviously the physical part, the mental part, seeing where the team is at. There's some moving pieces, but that'll factor in for sure. But seeing the development of those guys, you know, can't help but be a part of the decision. By the way, you know that Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs will be better next year, right? We both know that. And Romeo's getting better by the week, so we know that. Green Bay should go get OBJ. They probably won't. Green Bay next year does not have a pressing need in the draft. I mean, cornerback, linebacker, O line, they don't have a pressing need.

Draft a receiver with your first pick. No, I'm serious. I don't think they've ever done it. For two reasons. One, now you've got two second year players you like. There's about four high-end receivers next year in the first round. One could fall to them. That's very possible.

Or move up, by the way. Green Bay is at a point where you can give away picks to move up because they don't have They don't really have a pressing need outside of this morning, a veteran receiver they can rely on. So watch what happens if they go get a number one. If I ran the Packers, my takeaway today is next year's first pick. You tell Aaron right now, we're going to do,

I would tell him right now. We're going to do everything we can to sign OBJ and go get a number one pick draft. With Dobbs and Watson, then Aaron, mark my words, doesn't bring up retirement. He's getting frustrated with his. He still loves football. He gets emotional. Every time they interview him after he wins, he gets all, he gets all misty on the post game show. He doesn't want to go.

He is tired of tolerating stuff that Brady wouldn't, which is, please get me elite ready-to-play receivers. So let me get this straight. Aaron Rogers signs a new massive deal in March. Yeah. Okay? He comes out. We're five weeks into the season. He's talking about maybe coming back next year?

Well, no, no. To me, he was just saying somebody's going to. going to reap the benefits of them, meaning those guys are 10-year players. He's not playing for 10 years. He's 38. The Aaron issue is very solvable. Sign O. BJ, draft a receiver number one. And it's remarkable how Aaron will be like, this kind of fun. My division still stinks, and I got weapons. Why are we talking about next? He's got a full season. They haven't even won the division. Can we win a playoff game at home against a good team? We know he's not retiring ring after this year. So Tom Brady's willing to put his marriage to a supermodel on the line because

he loves football and wants to play. This guy's talking about Romeo Dobbs and Christian Watson factoring into his decision to come back. Oh, I think it would be. Oh, absolutely. This is the kind of stuff that puts me out on Aaron Rogers. Like, dude, go on the Joe Rogan podcast, talk about ayahuasca, goof off with blue ivy or whatever her name is. Come on. Blue Star. I'm sorry, I've got the name of the girlfriend. Let me defend Aaron here. As you age, I can speak to this. You start tolerating less. You prune your tree, right?

This friend irritates you. This job irritates you. As you get old, you start pruning your tree. Aaron is losing patience with certain Packer trends. You could solve it tomorrow. Aaron, sign OBJ. If it doesn't work, don't worry. I would literally Mark Murphy go to lunch.

We're going to draft a receiver first round. Now, we may have to move up, but we don't believe this team, outside of maybe an interior offensive lineman, has a big need outside a receiver. But doesn't it work differently where, like, you look at your board, how you rank the players? What if there's not a receiver ranked at 27? What has happened culturally to football in the last decade? Passing league. There will never be another year in my life where it will be a bad receiver draft.

Go look at Georgia, Florida, Texas, California. their best 100 players for next year's class. 30% are receivers. Kids know. Kids always start trends. They're on the shoes before us, the tech before us, the phones before us. High school football players want to be quarterbacks or receivers. You can't hit those two positions anymore.

That's the fame. That's the touchdowns. That's the money. That's the endorsements. That's the NIL money. The Jordan Addison's moving. The Caleb Williams. It ain't going to linebackers.

I believe the Packers drafted a linebacker out of Georgia in the first. round or somebody from Georgia. And they could have taken Watson there. They took him in the second round. Is that like a slight to Rogers that we went defense first? No, I mean, listen, if you drafted Georgia player in the first round, I'm always good with it. Right, right. It's a factory.

All right, J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Speaking of Aaron, you know, quarterback play right now, we tend to romanticize the past, but I don't remember a time in my life where there were more great quarterback and they were unique, small, big, tall, fast run. Because the high end of quarterback play now is so good.

I mean, simultaneously, we have the fastest quarterback ever, Lamar Jackson. Maybe the biggest most athletic ever, Josh Allen. The most talented ever, arguably Mahomes, the goat in Brady, Herbert, Burrow. Because the high-end quarterback of the current league, I mean, literally, the fastest, the biggest, maybe the best, the goat, the most talented. I don't even know how you classify Herbert, but every time I talk to an executive, they're like, outside of Mahomes,

that's the guy I'd take. It's so good now that really good quarterbacks, B-plus quarterbacks, like Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins, these are really, really good quarterbacks. They're not stars, but they're really good quarterbacks, are like dismissed by fans and by a lot of media. Kirk Cousins is really good. Derek Carr is really, really good.

And it's really funny this week. I read something on the internet, and I was taken back by it. We know Detroit right now is like a big 12 football team. There's no defense. The games are great. They're wild. They come down to the last possession, but they could score a bunch of points. And one of the people in Detroit was asking, hey, first pick, do we get a quarterback?

And I was like, timeout. Time out. You sound like Niner fans. You're ready to throw Garopolo to the quarterback. curb. Gough's been to a Super Bowl. Garapolo's been to a Super Bowl. I think Jimmy gets back. So I'm going to put up Garapolo, Goff, and two his numbers. Now remember what I'm about to say is true. In the last 20 years, college football

gives us, on average, one big-time franchise quarterback. Four get drafted, one hits, one's a bust, two are okay. So let's put up Garapolo, Goff, and two is numbers. The quality of football quarterback play now, the very high end of it, is so substantial, is so gifted, is so great that you have Niner fans ready to ship Garoppolo out of town. His career passer rating is 99, 2 to 1 touchdown ratio. He's completed 67.5% of his throws and has won over two times as many games as he's lost. Well, it must be Shanahan.

Shanahan's won 30% of his games without him. Jared Goff has been to a Super Bowl. His career passer rating is 92 over a 2 to 1 TD the interception ratio. His completion percentage is 64. And he's won far more games than he's lost, and that includes last year with the Lions. Tua, and I'm not a huge fan long term. Tua's completion percentage. By the way, his passer rating is number one in the league this year.

He's won almost twice as many games as he's lost. His passer ratings in the low 90s, 2 to 1 TD interception ratio. Garapolo, Goff, and Tua. You have two Super Bowl appearances. Playoff wins. Tua probably gets his first playoff win this year. And you want to move these guys out of town for a draft pick. That's what I said.

The Niners roster is too good to give it to somebody like a Trey Lance right now that we don't know if he can play. You can't move Garoppolo for that. You can't move Tua and golf for a draft pick. The NFL draft pick. The NFL draft gives us one great quarterback a year, about one and a half last 20 years. If you're going to move off Garoppolo or Tua, and I'm not a Tua fan, or a Gough, you've got to give me something, you have to give me an answer, a solution.

Like McVeigh. McVeigh said, I like Gough. I'm going to upgrade with somebody in the league. Stafford. Okay. If you want to move off Garapolo for whoever you view that's better like a Stafford was out there for, okay. If you want to move off Tua for somebody like a Derek Carr to me who's better, okay. But the quarterback play at the top now is so good that we find Garoppolo, Goff, and Tua as just go get a college guy.

Go get an FCS guy that hasn't played much. are you out of your mind? You know how good you have to be to put up Tua, Garapolo, and Goff's numbers? Two have been to Super Bowls. So the Rams did it right. They moved off Goff with a proven high-end commodity. But again, I'll say it. I'm a big Garoppolo fan.

I will defend Detroit and Jared Gott. If you think Jared Goff's the problem with the Lions, you don't even know football. He is not the problem. I'm sticking with Goff until I can. find somebody in the league that's proven that's better. Otherwise, I'd stay with them for six years. That's what Minnesota is doing. Minnesota, by the way, which splits with Aaron Rogers since Kirk Cousin's been there.

They're like, all right, if we can get somebody better than Kirk Cousins, we're not going to draft somebody. You're not going to find Kirk Cousins. The chances are like 8% that you find. And Minnesota's too good to get a top four or five pick. So is San Francisco. So is Miami this year. Yeah, I mean, we just dismissed and cast aside some of these dudes.

Jared Goff can play. Garoppolo can play. Not a fan of Tua. Look at his career numbers. You're not going to find that in the draft next year. There's not a single player in the draft, including Bryce Young, that would walk into the league next year and come close to their numbers. Now, by year two, you could get in that category. You know, except on average, one college quarterback a year does.

The other four draft that don't. Stay with B to B plus. Stick with it unless you can find a proven commodity. I would stay with Derek Carr for the Raiders for another eight years. You think I'm nuts? Go draft one. See how it works. Go for it.

Justin Fields right now can't complete over 50% of his throws. Big question marks Trey Lance. Mack Jones ceiling, you've seen it. Zach Wilson can't stay healthy. Trevor Lawrence is it. And that's average. That is, I've seen all these quarterbacks next year. Bryce Young's the most talented, tiny.

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It may look brutal, but tonight, Denver has to win with Russell Wilson. Has to win. Jonathan Taylor out for the Colts. Albert Breyer is stepping up to the plate for us, Monday morning quarterback joining us live. So let's talk about this. Ballard and Reich are very respected GM and coach. I think it's a Jim Ursa issue. I think he ran Carson Wentz off.

He's impulsive. He blamed everybody. I don't think privately, Reich and Ballard wanted to move off him. They finally found a guy that was good until they found the guy. So my takeaway, if they lose tonight, mid-October, they're struggling. Could Wright get fired in season? Because I think he's a candidate for another franchise. I don't think so.

I think if it's going to happen and it happened at the end of the year, and I think Jim Mersey will at least have the patience based on everything that they've accomplished over their four years together. I'm talking about Reich and Ballard. But certainly, I think there's a sense of urgency there. And part of it is what Reich and Ballard have been able to build. There's a really solid foundation of core players there. And guys like Quentin Nelson and Shaq Leonard, Bobby Okariki, and of course, DeForest Buckner,

Julian Blackman and their secondary, Jonathan Taylor, of course, the reigning NFL rushing champion. And here's the thing about those guys, they're not that young anymore. I mean, even Taylor, he's going, he's in his third year. And at that position, the clock's ticking in year three. And so I think that's part of the urgency you saw from Jim Ursay last off season when they moved off of Carson Wentz, is knowing that that core players they've assembled is moving into the primes of their career. And, you know, certainly I think that Jim Ursay at the end of the year would take it into account if they didn't make the playoffs, that that core has now failed again. And maybe

there'd be some more serious discussion to have them. But I think Ursay knows what he's got here and knows the sort of job that Ballard and Reich have done to this point. So he's going to give him a chance to prove that that core is some, is a group that they can win with. By the way, Eagles came into the season with the easiest schedule. They plan maybe the weakest division. They've gotten some rainy games. They've yet to play from behind. And last year, they didn't beat a playoff team. They trailed a playoff game 31-0. Some teams peak early. Some teams get breaks. I like Philadelphia a ton. But Donovan McNabb said they're about a year to two away. And my takeaway was, I think he's probably right. What's your take on Philadelphia when you talk to your sources

through the league? What's happening there? I think they're very similar to where they were during their championship year. Now, I'm not saying they're going to win a Super Bowl. But, you know, one thing I really liked about them going into 2017 was how strong and deep they were along the lines of scrimmage. And generally, when you look at a call on teams that are very strong on the defensive line, very strong in the offensive line, they're going to be in every game. And so I think that's the baseline for where the Eagles were coming into the season. They had a great plan of old and new on their offensive and defensive front. So you start there. They're going to be in every game. And now when you build out from there, you're starting to see guys who are playing really

well under Nick Siriani and his staff, whether it's Darius Slay on defense, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith on offense. Miles Sanders last week had 134 yards rushing. And so, you know, I think the foundation here is this is going to be a good competitive team on a week-to-week basis based on the foundation that they built along those lines of scrimmage. And that's what makes them similar to that 2017 team. Now the swing factors are going to be those other guys. And of course, the quarterback's in that group, too. He's played great. And I think what's so impressive about Jalen Hurts is he's improved in areas that quarterbacks generally don't improve in. His anticipation's gotten better. His pocket presence has gotten better. His accuracy has gotten

better. Now it's going to be up to those guys to maintain it because I do think, again, along the lines of scrimmage, they've got a great, great foundation. All right. So the Tua thing, the fencing with a hand, it was a standalone game. It's Thursday. It freaked people out. Do you think maybe not, I think the NFL's always been pretty actionable. They'll change stuff immediately. This is not baseball. Yeah. Concussion protocols.

What's your guess on if there's going to be some tweaking done within the league here as we speak week to week? I think it could happen in the next eight hours. I think it could happen before kickoff tonight. The union and the league have been talking about it. The league actually had their medical people over in England this week. And on Tuesday, they met with the Premier League team doctors, the league physicians, those people to sort of discuss different stuff. It was a wide-ranging discussion. It included stuff like playing services, but head injuries is a part of that too.

So it's something that's been very front of mind over the course of the last few days without question and in large part because of what happened with Tua. I think you're going to see significant change to the concussion protocol. And really the main thing you want to look at was what Tua went through in that Buffalo game. The gross motor instability, the way it's written right now is you only have to pull a player out of a game if he's got gross motor instability due to a head injury. Well, who determines whether it was a head injury that caused it? The way it's written is the team doctor, which is a departure from other parts of the policy

where you see the independent neurologist in charge. My anticipation is what they're going to do is they're going to remove that part out altogether. So if you see gross motor instability after an event, like we saw with Tool when Matt Milano slammed his head against the turf, he's going to be out of the game, which is what I think independent neurologists, neurologists around the country have suggested forever and ever with these guys, When in doubt, pull them out. I think they're going to tweak the policy in that way where if there is gross, motor, instability of any kind, players are going to be pulled out of games.

And I think you see it already. I mean, Colin, go back to the games on Sunday and Monday. 15 games, only one player was evaluated for a head injury and went back into a game. Think about that. There was just one player. That's Justin Reed, the safety for the chiefs. Yeah. He was the only player who was evaluated for a head injury, who re-entered the game.

I don't think it's any coincidence that that was the way it was a few days after the two. A couple of minutes left. You heard me rant about the quarterback play at the top end is so good that we're dismissing Gophos and Gropos and Kirk Cousins. And it's like, folks, if you want to, those guys I'm staying with until I can get an upgrade, a clear upgrade. And you had a story about Andy Reed and that same philosophy. Well, I love your take on this, Colin, because really, I think we get caught up so often, like, how can I find an elite quarterback? and you're acting as if there's one available every offseason. It doesn't work that way. I think the place you want to be is you want to be competent at the position,

which sets you up and buys you time to go and find somebody else. And that's what Andy Reid did in Kansas City. They traded for Alex Smith, knowing Alex Smith might not be our quarterback for the next 10 years, but we can be competitive and we can build a program with Alex Smith. So they go four years with Alex Smith as a starting quarterback. They make the playoffs in three of those years. They're able to build up different parts of the roster. And every year they look at the draft and say, okay, what's coming along?

Who do we like? And they wind up falling in love with Patrick Mahomes in 2017. They trade up to go and get them. They get real aggressive to go and get them. They've got the capital to do it because they built up the rest of the roster so they don't have needs all over the place. And because they've got Alex Smith on the roster, they can sit Patrick Mahomes for a year. And Patrick Mahomes is entering into a roster that's already built up. So you've essentially bought yourself five years to find the next guy and get the next guy ready

and build the roster for the next guy, and you've been a pretty good team along the way in getting there. If the Chiefs hadn't done that, do you know what class they would have been looking at? If they had sold out on trying to get a quarterback that first year in the draft, that draft had Gino Smith in it, had E.J. Manuel in it, had Matt Parkley in it. Boom. So, I mean, that's what it is, you know.

And so I think you look at what the Raiders are doing with Derek Carr, what the Vikings are doing with Kirk Cousins, with new coaches in those places, and Josh McDaniels and Kevin O'Connell. that's 100% what it is. You can be competitive with Kirk Cousins. You can be competitive with Derek and that'll buy you time to find the next guy. Whereas if you're blowing the thing up in the beginning, you probably won't last long enough to find somebody who's truly special. I'm not moving off Gough, Garoppolo, Cousins, car, not moving off them until I have a guarantee.

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