The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - We can get behind Jayden Daniels, Aaron Rodgers sinks

Episode Date: December 30, 2024

​Colin praises Washington Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels as he leads the team to overtime victory against the Falcons. The situation is coming to a close in New York but Aaron Rodgers continu...es to sink to new lows.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:13 We got a lot to talk about. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, plenty of both. Top of Next Hour. Matt Hasselbeck, who's owe his money. He'll bring the bag. J. Mack, I don't know if you noticed, but Sam Darnold next weekend we'll be playing for the number one seed. in the NFC. Oh, by the way, once again,
Starting point is 00:03:33 slided Sam Darnold. Why isn't he in the MVP conversation? Am I crazy? He leads in like every category. Why isn't he in the MVP competition? You're right. Brock Purdy was in it last year. That's right.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Donald's like a carbon copy of Brock Pernet. It's amazing. He's been slided for six years. Let's start with this. For the last six years, I've been mocked, ridiculed, laughed at, and it hurt my feeling. And I still believed.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Sam Donald's got a little bit of Andrew Luck, tough, relentless, like a linebacker playing quarterback. Coachable. Throws a bad pick, follows it up with a great pass. What you're seeing is the Andrew Luck thing. And they're asking him to make big boy throws. He leads the NFL 60 completions over 20 plus yards. Those are Brady and Mahom throws. No dink and dunk here.
Starting point is 00:04:24 70% completion rate. 26 TD, he's three picks in the red zone. He's the league's most efficient quarterback now. And in the second half of the last seven games, a thousand yards and a passer rating of 114. Why is he not in the MVP discussion? Hello, look at all the numbers. Because you've already disqualified him.
Starting point is 00:04:49 You made up your mind, and that's what we do in the media. You have decided, it's a cute story, but no, no, no, no. This roster isn't great. There's no, but. Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, look at the numbers. Who do you trust more in a playoff game? Are you sure it's Lamar? And I love Lamar.
Starting point is 00:05:13 But what I said years ago, I said, there's some Andrew Luck here. All you did, just took shot. Here's the thing. When you watch him play, you know what you notice? How much his coach trusts him. And don't worry about being liked in life. It's who likes you. And everybody in America was bailing on Sam Darnold.
Starting point is 00:05:31 You know who didn't? Kyle Shanahan's like, I think he's good. Kevin O'Connell, McVeigh. Yeah, I think he's really good. Yeah, I'm going to trust those guys. Yeah, a lot of defensive coordinators who are anti-risk didn't like him. And by the way, he'll give you an ugly pick. So does Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:05:47 So does Josh Allen. So does Justin Herbert. But after his pick yesterday, 9 for 12, 134 pass-par rating. That is Andrew Luck. I don't think he's his gift that is Andrew Luck. I never have. I said it then. There's some Andrew Luck a little far off here,
Starting point is 00:06:00 but what you're seeing now, look at what they ask him to do. Anytime you watch a game, when you watch the offense, watch what a coaching staff allows the quarterback to do. In fact, my criticism of Minnesota yesterday was when they led in the second half, I was like, Kevin, turn the governor down,
Starting point is 00:06:22 throttle it. down. You don't have to have them throw in the teeth of Green Bay's past Russian defense, but that's how much confidence they have. And this is not the best the roster will be. They've got cap space. They've got a lot of really, really good young players as Sam Darnold. The Hero, 33 of 43, should be in the MVP conversation. Show you a picture of him here going into the locker room. They know what they have in Minnesota. What they have is an MVP level quarterback. It's not just a great story.
Starting point is 00:06:56 That was September and October. And then in November it's, do we have a great player? Now it's like, do we have the MVP? You can't let him go. His contract now is 50. It's not a 40. It's a 50 on the market. Here's Sam after.
Starting point is 00:07:13 A lot of water bottles. A lot of water. It was just mayhem. I think I blacked out. You know, when Aaron Jones grabbed me and lifted me up. I didn't know what to do with my hands in that situation. So, Ricky Bobby style. So it was, yeah, it was an interesting moment, but a fun moment, man, to be embraced by your teammates like that.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Sam has played so well for three months straight. You know, I always do the Super Bowl bubble about once a month every five weeks. Here's my Super Bowl bubble. Green Bay's out. Minnesota is in. I think the Rams, the Packers, and the Chargers are still a year away. Green Bay is disappointed me. the last few weeks can't beat Minnesota or Detroit.
Starting point is 00:07:55 I'll put Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Detroit, and Darnold has been good enough. This isn't me being a fanboy. Darnold has been so absolutely spectacular. They lost their left tackle earlier this year, arguably the first or second best left tackle. Has he lost since? It's not like this is a great defense.
Starting point is 00:08:15 Green Bay's got better personnel. So does half the league. Where do you go, Sammy? One person in America, did not bail on you. Anyway, let's go to Jaden Daniels. So here's, of the many reasons the NFL is king, this could be number one.
Starting point is 00:08:33 It's the League of Hope. Washington was a tire fire because of the worst owner, arguably in professional sports, Dan Snyder. And so they just cleaned out the building. They sold the team, new GM, and I said, you know what? Snyder had such a stench around him. I think they're going to make the playoffs. and I think
Starting point is 00:08:54 Jaden's going to be really good. I didn't think he was going to be this. I said, you know, he'll be like Lamar Jackson Light. I'm not sure if it's light. This kid's insane. And in the NFL, if you get the quarterback right, everything else falls into place. This is not a great roster.
Starting point is 00:09:11 But even their defense, last year, worst in the league, total defense, now it's 10. Why is that? Because their defense plays with a lead. A great quarterback is make-up on a blemish. It's an eraser. Everybody's got issues. A great quarterback erases them. And an average quarterback, what Indianapolis has, multiplies them. And this old line's not great,
Starting point is 00:09:37 but now it's formidable. The defense has issues on the back end, but when you play with the lead, defensive line can pin their ears back. Every unit now. I mean, they didn't make that many personnel changes. But every unit looks better. And, I mean, like yesterday is a prime example of what a great player can do. I thought the Atlanta Falcons finally getting a pass rush. Matthew Judon, I thought they had some good coverage. It didn't matter. As good as Penix was, he can't do this. You can add 25 to 35% to a playbook because Jaden Daniels can run. And I love Penix. But he looked limited in the sand. He's excellent compared to Jaden Daniels. So, um, And what's really remarkable, it's not just when you're good.
Starting point is 00:10:24 The first thing we noticed about Patrick Malmes, and you noticed, I noticed it by year two, he was actually almost better trailing in games. A lot of quarterbacks with the lead. It's second and three. You got good protection. Cooper Rush can make plays. You trail by two touchdowns. End of the third.
Starting point is 00:10:45 They know you've got to throw. You got a banged-up offensive line. that was the first sign with Mahalms. Oh, wait, bro, this is different. He may be the best come from behind quarterback, not named John L.A. ever. Jaden Daniels in the fourth quarter and overtime this year. Again, this is an okay offensive line. He's got one weapon.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Has the highest passer rating in the league. That is insane. And remember back in camp, when generally when you get a rookie quarterback, like in Chicago with Caleb Williams or Denver with Drake May or New England, Denver with Bownecks or New England with Drake May. Remember what the coaches always do? Well, he's got a long way to go. Let's slow down.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Let's pump the brakes. Cliff Kingsbury and Dan Quinn, every time you put a mic in front of them, they were like, this guy's unbelievable. You're like, okay, this guy's got to be good. Coaches never do that. Kingsbury's been in the league.
Starting point is 00:11:45 Dan Quinn's been in the league forever. Dan Quinn during the preseason. This kid's unbelievable. You're like, what are you doing? Doesn't matter. Kid can handle it. I mean, I just, I love this kid. No ego, loves his teammates.
Starting point is 00:12:03 A couple drops yesterday by his receivers. How many penalties did Washington have? You're pulling your hair out, and he's just like, all right, another play. No bad body language. You see that occasionally from a quarterback in New York. No pointing fingers. he's a foxhole guy going gets tough the kid just head down no finger pointing
Starting point is 00:12:23 Zach Ertz a veteran tight end noticed it in camp it comes down to having a really good quarterback in this league if you want to be a good team and from the moment I got here seeing jaden out there I continually said you know this guy isn't someone that's going to be good he's good now he's the most mature rookie I've ever been around he approaches the game he loves to learn And so he just exudes such a quiet confidence. He's not out there a raw, raw guy. But we all know how good he is and how much confident we have in him. And so he doesn't need to say anything.
Starting point is 00:13:01 Nobody has delivered in the D.C. area on this level of promise in years. This is a candidate we can all get behind. A bipartisan quarterback. Yes, we're all in on Jaden Daniels. and he and I both approve this message. This kid is magic. You're watching magic. I'm not even sure if he's Lamar Jackson Light.
Starting point is 00:13:27 It's like I see all the same qualities. I mean, I'm watching Pennix last night, and I think Pennix is going to be exceptional. And Jane Daniels Daniel shrinks him. I mean, that's how good this kid is. And all the boxes, no ego, selfless, athletic, accurate, heart. working foxhole guy. J. Mack, I grew up in Washington, D.C. They used to have a 30-year waitlist on season tickets.
Starting point is 00:13:58 And then an owner came in and ruined it. All the goodwill, that reservoir of Goodwill, lost it. You can walk up and buy a ticket to any game. Good luck getting season tickets. Going forward with the commanders, this kid is Broadway. Yeah, him and Cliff Kingsbury working to magic in Washington. That offense, unbelievable. I mean, listen, I thought you were going to go the opposite way and take some shots at Rahim Morris for botching that game so badly.
Starting point is 00:14:26 I've come to terms with coaches in the NFL. Is anybody, now that Belichick has retired, is anybody good with clock management? Zach Taylor drove me nuts. Oh, gosh, don't start. Rahim Morris drove me nuts. But I've come to the conclusion that nobody's great at it. Does Rahim Morris think you can take timeouts home, like after the, game you can just bring them home wrap them up put them under the christmas tree so it was uh
Starting point is 00:14:51 i just i know i like you being positive jaden daniels was exceptional oh the kids just he's spectacular we need you need to do a new top 10 quarterback list he's how's he not i know it's one of these things well you know how sometimes people say hey you're you're confirmation bias yeah i thought he was going to be really good or it's recency bias folks when you get to the end and then that's NFL season and Sam Donald's been great for 14 weeks or 13 of the 17. That's not really recency buys. He's having a great year.
Starting point is 00:15:25 And when you watch Jaden Daniels, I can argue his best month was September. Remember in September we're like, whoa, okay, this can't last. And then he had your usual problem. And now he's restarted it in the last three to four weeks. That rib injury seems like he's past that. There was the
Starting point is 00:15:40 hiccup of like three weeks. He does take some shots. He did take a big shot at the goal line. Yeah, 100. 127 yards on the ground line. I mean, they locked up McLaurin, right? He had one catch for five yards. And Jayden Daniels like, okay, I'll just do this myself. Atlanta should have won that game and controlled big portions.
Starting point is 00:15:58 The only reason they didn't is Jaden Daniels. I mean, Atlanta controlled the first half. Atlanta should have called timeouts and gotten the field goal. Jaden Daniels is the only reason you win. Again, a great quarterback is an eraser. Every team has issues. An average quarterback is a multiplier. Little things become big pains in the you know what.
Starting point is 00:16:16 This kid just erased a really bad first half where Atlanta controlled it. Don't forget, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, top of next hour. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, is Steve Kavino. And I'm Rich Davis. And together we're Kavino and Rich on Fox Sports Radio. You can catch us weekdays from 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern, 2 to 4 Pacific, on Fox Sports Radio,
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Starting point is 00:21:24 Both are now vocally, publicly denouncing the team. Garrett has leaked it or somebody has that he didn't want to play with Aaron. That's a problem. So, and I've said this before. I think Aaron's smart, he's interesting, he's complex. And we've all got issues, but he leans into being enigmatic. His documentary, which, by the way, he approved, is called Enigma. He approved that.
Starting point is 00:21:55 That's not what quarterbacks want to be. You can be an enigma. Don't double down on it. Don't lean into it. You're a leader. And this is what I've said for years. When the going gets tough, Aaron tends to disqualify. distance himself from it.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Give you some sort of word salad throughout the week, like a politician, and to sort of project that he is above it and he'll solve it. And hey, this stuff is tough. Let me tell you how this works. But he's not the solution to it. I'm not saying Aaron's the only problem. But he was never the solution to the Jets dysfunction. It's not his personality. I've said this for years.
Starting point is 00:22:36 He is a bailer. not a baller. He's not a foxhole guy. He's just gifted and smart and talented and kind of interesting. And I don't care where he stands on vaccines. I really don't. But this Jets organization needs a culture-changing coach and an infusion of leadership at quarterback, not just talent.
Starting point is 00:23:00 But they're trapped because he is talented. He played well until yesterday. But great leaders don't lean into being. difficult. They don't lean into being an enigma. That's his documentary, and he approved that message. And that's my issue.
Starting point is 00:23:17 This team needs somebody to put out fires, no word salad, step forward, definitive opinions, put in the extra time in the offseason. And at this point, that's just not what Aaron is. But he's the best in a bad quarterback draft class. And Sam
Starting point is 00:23:33 Darnold, I can't believe the Vikings would let him hit the market. My guess is get a coach he's your quarterback and here he was after. It's kind of like the season and just got away from us. Too many games got away from us this game got away from us. We're moving the ball well and then we just
Starting point is 00:23:49 hit a wall and that's kind of been the season. Every time I criticize Aaron, I make sure to add compliments. I've said this with Baker Mayfield. I thought Tampa should have signed Baker Mayfield. I thought he was a great pick. And I think Aaron's the best option for them. But we got like 10, 15 years
Starting point is 00:24:05 of this stuff and I've been on it from very early on, is that when the going gets tough in the NFL, and it always does, even from a Holmes, their offensive line, they're receiving core, it's constantly being reworked once you pay a quarterback. He tends to distance himself, be above it, and then project that he could be the solution if other people can step up and help him. That's not leadership. That's Enigma, the documentary, which again, you tend to lean into. J-Mac with the news.
Starting point is 00:24:40 No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. From one New York team to the other, let's go to the New York Giants who ended their 10-game losing streak with a rousing win over the Colts. But in the end, they kind of lost, Colin. They dropped from first to fourth in the draft order. Just a stunning game.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I mean, Indianapolis Colts defense looked, I mean, goodness gracious, could not stop Drew Locke? They controlled this football game. Now, some of it is the Colts aren't very good in the back end. Some of it's coaching, bad tackling, in the wrong place often. So, again, I think the Colts are one of those teams. If you had Jaden Daniels with the Colts, it would solve a lot of these issues. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:23 But they're not good enough at quarterback, so therefore it multiplies their problems. Richardson, a late scratch scene. Sounds like he may not even play this week. Joe Flacco came in and was eh. But the big story is the New York Giants were in line to take Cam Ward, or Shadour Sanders. They dropped the four. So the new orders on the screen. Patriots at one. Tennessee tightens at two.
Starting point is 00:25:43 Cleveland Browns at three. And then the Giants at four. Tennessee and Cleveland need quarterback scullin. Yeah. A lot of people are suggesting Mike Vrable and Josh McDaniels go to New England, save Drake May. Oh. Trade down that first pick or get a Travis Hunter. But there's, I can tell you, everybody's freaking out in Boston.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Let me tell you something. Here's the good news. You have your quarterback. Drake May is going to be really good. You may not have the coach, but for most bad teams in this league, and there's about eight to ten bad teams. If I said, well, you got your future quarterback and you got the number one pick, that is the best place you can be in as one of the eight to ten bad teams in this league.
Starting point is 00:26:28 You have a really good quarterback, and you can do whatever you want with that number one pick. I would trade it down and get a boatload of picks, but all is not. lost. Now, I don't know about Gerald Mayo. Well, I forgot to, Saturday, the Patriots got embarrassed by the Chargers, I'm sorry, into England. I mean, well, that game was
Starting point is 00:26:45 Blowout City. But the week before they went to Buffalo, it was out played and arguably outcoached the bills. Remember, Dan Campbell was 3 and 13 first year in Detroit and 1 in 6, the beginning of the second year. So just one week ago, I thought Mayo and
Starting point is 00:27:01 Drake May outplayed and outcoach Buffalo in Buffalo. So Vrable and McDaniels to New England to replace that's... That's what you're hearing. I hadn't heard that. That's... Look at you. That's good stuff. So, Vrable
Starting point is 00:27:15 has a good relationship with Robert Kraft and because nobody truly trusts the Bears front office and ownership or the Jets ownership that New England may look like a bad job. But you have your quarterback, a non-meddling owner, and the number one
Starting point is 00:27:31 picks. So New England now, look, in my opinion, right now this morning, I'd argue if it was open, New England could be the best job. Kraft, Drake May, number one pick. You could do a lot worse as a start over franchise. They don't have a lot else. Now, listen, let me nip this whole trade in the bud. This idea that the Patriots could just trade down.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Colin, I don't see anyone trading up to number one. And the Bryce Young trade is wide. You remember they gave up DJ Moore and future picks. There was nothing left in the company. Remember, though. You do that and you really just sacrifice the future. But Caleb Williams was considered a transformational talent. Shedur Sanders is considered a starting NFL quarterback and promising.
Starting point is 00:28:18 But this is not a Trevor Lawrence or a Caleb or a luck where you're like, well, you're going to give up four number ones. Yeah, I don't think you trade up for Cam Ward, right? I don't think that's the case. I think Cam Ward probably in line to go to Tennessee now. I think you're right. Now, the question becomes Cleveland and. Sean Watson. You saw they restructured his deal over the weekend. They left DTR in the game yesterday when he is. I mean, there's a lot of stats that say he's one of the worst quarterbacks this century in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Okay. Is there a world where Cleveland takes Chedure? Yes. Has him sit for a year behind Deshaun Watson. But would Dion say, uh-uh, uh-uh, you're not going to Cleveland? What is the only way if you have a horrible quarterback contract to get out of it? You drafted. You land a starting quarterback. Denver. Oh, the Russell Wilson deal for two years dead cat money. You're not Pambonix anything. So if the Patriots don't move, I think they'll probably take Mason Graham, the defensive tackle. I would, or Travis Hunter. I think the Titans get a quarterback. And if I ran Cleveland, I would take a quarterback. I don't know that Travis Hunter fits the Mike Rable mold of like...
Starting point is 00:29:25 Well, he's an unbelievably... He's really talented, a one overall? Again, I think New England would trade out. But I don't know if these quarterbacks... are good enough to give up multiple ones and twos. No, no. I don't know if they are. My jets, you see lingering there at seven. We'll get to them, don't worry. The Philadelphia Eagles, Colin, how about their nice win over the Cowboys yesterday?
Starting point is 00:29:47 So I'm watching this. Obviously, Eagles and no sweat cover. And at the fourth quarter of a 30-point game, and they're feeding Sequin Barking. Yeah. You know, I'm not a huge fan of that. However, Seekwon became just the ninth player in NFL history to rush for 2,000 yards in a season. Here's Seekwon in the season. accomplishment and the chase of Eric Dickerson's regular season mark.
Starting point is 00:30:08 To, you know, reach a milestone and put myself up there with eight other backs that I respect and, you know, some of them I grew up watching definitely means a lot. If, you know, his mindset is, you know, we'll go out there and try it and I'll go out there and try it. But his mindset is, let's rest and get ready for, you know, this run. Then I'm off for that too. And, you know, I'm not just saying that because a camera's in my face or a mic's in my face. I really mean that. I came here to do something special.
Starting point is 00:30:33 And obviously breaking a record special, but I want to be part of, I want a banner up there. And I think we all do. Listen, record or not, he and Christian McCaffrey, when Christian's healthy, they're the two best backs in the league. I mean, he just, listen, I know everybody gets caught up in records. You don't need records to validate what a good guy this guy is, what a great player he is, and how he's elevated everything. We don't even like the coach. And we're not even sure if Jalen is dependable. in the pocket in big spots.
Starting point is 00:31:05 And they had good offensive and defensive lines last year. Saquan, it's just amazing to me. Can you imagine? It's just crazy to me that you would let Seacuan go if you're the Giants to your arch rivals who already are stacked. I mean, it's not like they gave you, it was a massive trade. It's just you walked across the street. Oh, oh, it's an all-timer.
Starting point is 00:31:30 It's an all-timer. Here's my thing. So you watched the game and Kenny Pickett was a, in for Jalen Hertz. Yeah. Thanks for Jalen Hertz missing the fantasy football championship that I needed badly. Anyways, so Kenny Pickett takes a shot inside the 20. I think Michael Parsons did him.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Kenny Pickett instantly is like, I'll just break a rib. What the heck? Leaves the game out. I'm just telling you, Sequin Berkeley had 31 carries, Colin. That's a lot. That's like 1978 NFL football. They're not getting a buy, okay? Almost impossible to get it.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Right. I mean, like 17 things to happen. Is Dick? Is he going to really chase the record in week 18? The two most interesting teams in the playoffs. I'm not saying best interesting. Lamar Jackson and Baltimore, there's a ton of pressure and Philadelphia. I mean, think about this.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Like if Buffalo lost early and they won't, but if they did, Sean McDermott Heat, what if Philadelphia can't get to the conference championship? I think Siriani's in trouble. I just this idea that like regular season records mean anything Pop quiz, who's the regular season record for quarterback passing yards in a season?
Starting point is 00:32:40 No, who knows? Who cares? That's baseball. That stuff is forgotten, yeah, baseball, exactly. Wide receiver record. I don't know. Interception record. It doesn't matter. Say, Kwan, you had an amazing season. Go win the Super Bowl. Yeah. This is your shot. I didn't love it either. I didn't. It's an Eric Dickerson record. You know, we work with Dickerson. Nice guy. I like him.
Starting point is 00:32:57 If you get the record, wonderful, if not, nobody cares. Eagles, just be smart, man. And let's wrap up, Colin, with the NBA. Big trade yesterday. The Lakers moving on from Dilo. Meangelo, Russel, shipped to the Brooklyn Nets again in a package for, wait for it, Dorian Finney Smith.
Starting point is 00:33:17 Excellent defender. Oh, he's so good. Excellent defender. Shake Milton gets some buckets. Apparently, the Nets had an offer from Memphis for a protected one, but they prefer the Lakers three second round picks. I saw a stat. The Nets have 16.
Starting point is 00:33:30 second round picks over the next seven years. Got to hit on one or two. You just won one or two. Like OKC. Yeah. He makes some of, The Lakers are a better defensive team today. 100%.
Starting point is 00:33:40 It's not even close. This is the fifth time he's been traded in seven and a half season. Like at some point it should be a wake-up call to Delo. Like, bro, try, give an effort defensively? I just, I've never been, I love that line. Milo. Me, Angela. Me, Angela Russell.
Starting point is 00:33:55 Me, Angela Russell. I just, Golden State had him in their dynasty for about an hour. Remember that they had him. Now it doesn't work. Let's give it a shot. No. Yeah, because he's got talent. There's no disputing the talent.
Starting point is 00:34:05 So, of course, the internet went and looked for JJ Reddick comments on Doreen Phidney Smith. And way back in May of 2022, he, Reddick tweeted something like, what a great player. How can you not love him? That night, Dorian Finney Smith, it ate three-pointers. This is a perfect straight three. He's a corner three guy. Oh, he's perfect Nick Anthony Davis. Yeah, and because Dalton Connect, your favorite rookie doesn't defend.
Starting point is 00:34:28 When you have him on the court, you have to have some. somebody that does defend at a high level, and that's him, plus he hits corner three. And there's a message to Rui Hachimura, bro. You better defend her. You're going to lose your spot in the front lineup. He's not. We also have to give LeBron a shout out. He turns 40 today, joining us at 40 years of age. LeBron James. Very exciting. Greatest player. Happy birthday to LeBron. Shout out to your book. We should show the video of you hanging out with LeBron at that cabana. Is that hanging out? It's kind of strong. I think bumping into him is more than hanging out with him.
Starting point is 00:34:56 You weren't shooting dice with him. No, but he was very friendly. He's always a couple of times. I've a couple times he's always classy always always nice i have yet to uh officially meet the king and and congratulate him on his amazing career he's had an amazing life an amazing american life great father to the kids people get all political he's had an amazing american life and he has been a great face of the league he got political people don't like it but folks everybody at work in every office in america has a political opinion if a basketball players does i can be i'm fine with Well said.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News. Jay Mac is stumping for candidates every time down the hallway. I put up with it. So I got to say this about Joe Burrow. He can still make the playoffs, which is insane.
Starting point is 00:35:47 How talented he is. And I just think we need to say, okay, what you're watching is what a franchise quarterback is. Their defense is awful, 29. Their O-line is 30th. They're the cheapest owner in the sport, arguably. They have major clock management issues at head coach. In the overtime, they tried to briefly take the ball out of his hands and just kick a chip-shot field goal. Doink.
Starting point is 00:36:14 That didn't work. They're 29th in rushing. O-line, run game, defense, none of it. And he's got this team potentially in the playoffs. Denver's got a better roster. Denver's got a real defense. He shredded it. He shreds everybody.
Starting point is 00:36:30 So this is a 3 and 14 team without Joe Burrell. And you know what it's reminding me, speaking of LeBron James 40th birthday. It reminds me of LeBron in Cleveland the first time where he's there for seven years. And finally, he goes to like the Olympics and LeBron's like, oh, this is what it's like to play with really good players. I remember LeBron in Cleveland? And by the way, Burrow got to a Super Bowl and lost. LeBron got to a finals and got run out of the building four straight by San Antonio. And then LeBron finally realized ownership, front office.
Starting point is 00:36:59 I'm wasting my time here. And LeBron felt bad. He eventually came back. But, I mean, folks, what Joe Burrow is doing right now, I think there are five quarterbacks in the NFL, five quarterbacks in the NFL, that have separated from everybody else. I think it's Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Lamar, and Patrick Mahomes. And I like a lot of other quarterbacks. But we're not going to pay much attention to Joe Burrow. The other four, Mahomes, Lamar, Justin, and Alan have some.
Starting point is 00:37:29 support, coaching support, a decent old-line. I mean, good God, Justin Herbert now has Harbaugh on two big-time tackles. Joe Burrell is running for his life. No run game can only win in a shootout. I mean, at least Zach Taylor, the head coach appreciates it. I don't know that anybody can stand on a field and watch Joe Burrow and say he's not the best player in the world. The clearest thing I can say is I would not trade Joe Burrow for any player in the universe. And so to me, that's MVP to me.
Starting point is 00:38:03 I don't want to hear that your left tackle got hurt, or that you're on your third running back, or your secondary's not good. Nothing around Burrow is good. Nothing. Run game, defense. I don't think Zach Taylor's awful. The internet disagrees with me.
Starting point is 00:38:21 I think Zach Taylor's got some promise. I think everybody, you're working for an ownership group that just doesn't make moves, a front office that's reluctant, reticent to take any swings. They're the opposite essentially of Philadelphia. They take no swings. Sometimes Philadelphia overswings. They take none.
Starting point is 00:38:38 But what Burroughs doing is insane. I don't want to hear about your if quarterback. Well, if McCaffrey was available, this guy's got nothing except two really good receivers, and one of them won't be here next year because they won't pay for him. This is what a franchise quarterback, is not elevating what he already has, hiding what he doesn't, which is everything.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.
Starting point is 00:39:20 We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's a lot of... extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think
Starting point is 00:39:33 it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast
Starting point is 00:39:51 where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas. And offered up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen.
Starting point is 00:40:07 We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.
Starting point is 00:40:50 I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:41:26 And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble
Starting point is 00:41:52 stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience
Starting point is 00:42:11 in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing and we're still chasing it
Starting point is 00:42:28 and we don't know when we've done enough because people scoreboard watch life becomes about wins and losses Steve Burns, Dustin Ross because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth or are you a good person because you're afraid because that's two different intentions bro
Starting point is 00:42:43 absolutely and that's two different levels of trust I want you to just really be a good person Join me, Keir Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. This week, Fox College Hoops Friday features 18th ranked Michigan State taking on Ohio State at 8 Eastern, only on spots. Give me Izzo. Okay, so, um, you. You know, here's some great advice.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Somebody once gave me. Sometimes you just got to get out of your own way. Jim Harbaugh was offered a head coaching job by one team. One team. Jim Harbaugh is like that movie director, Christopher Nolan. If you let him direct your movie, you'll have a hit. It always works and quickly. Jim Harbaugh wanted the Bears job.
Starting point is 00:43:48 Kevin Warren, the president, he and Jim don't get along. He didn't get an interview. It's amazing to me. Yes, like Christopher Nolan, you'll have to surrender some control and increase the budget a little, but you'll be great immediately. In fact, he is now the first coach in the Super Bowl era to take over two losing teams and the first year make the playoffs. I always thought Bill Parcells was the greatest turnaround coach ever.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Harbaugh just surpassed him. And Parcells is a top five coach in my life. But what I'm really happy about is Justin Herbert, who for years was like the A-plus student that had a really bad teacher or the excellent employee with really bad bosses. And then he got Jim Harbaugh. And now he's putting up numbers. I saw one this weekend where he's literally now getting into an Aaron Rogers-Tom Brady class.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Herbert has 400 plus pass attempts and three or fewer interceptions. It is now one of the three greatest, most efficient seasons ever for a quarterback. That's insane. And, you know, it's funny about, I want you to think about this for a second. There's a lot of things that matter in coaching, but one of them is squeezing every bit of juice you can out of the roster. So when Harbaal won a Natty at Michigan, he only had two five-star players, two five-star recruits. the Alabama team he beat had 18. The Georgia team that won the Natty the year before had 15.
Starting point is 00:45:24 He had two. In fact, if you look at composite recruiting rankings, Michigan had the lowest for a national championship in forever. And this charger team needs another running back in the draft, needs another tight end in the draft, needs another receiver or two in the draft. Ladd McConkey, I love him. he's more of a 1A or a 2, not a 1.
Starting point is 00:45:47 They're doing it. They're dropping 40 this weekend, and they're kind of in an offensive rebuild. They've got good offensive tackles and could mostly use help everywhere else on offense. An interior alignment, another running back, another tight end, and a couple of receivers. Defense is fine, not great but fine.
Starting point is 00:46:06 He's made it great. But no coach ever has ever squeezed more juice out of his roster, whether it's the Niners, Stanford, Michigan, or here with the Chargers. And here's Justin Herbert on why the team loves him. He's been everything. You know, those guys are not law from respect him so much, and they just want to make right by him and make him proud. You know, the way he cares about, you know, this team, all the individuals as well, he's a competitor. And he wants to win no matter what it is.
Starting point is 00:46:38 And it definitely shows. And it's the way that everyone fights for him, wants to play for him and respect. It is interesting, though. Everybody knows. You hire Jim Harbaugh, college or pro. In fact, Jimmy Johnson, to me, is the only coach in the history of American football that was an A-plus-plus college coach and an A-plus-NFL coach. Harbaugh is the other one.
Starting point is 00:47:05 I don't need a Super Bowl to prove it. You know what I mean? Like, we all know Harbaugh is great. but I mean nothing against Belichick who stayed in New England forever with Brady and nothing against Saban who stayed in
Starting point is 00:47:19 Bama forever but to me it's always been a much bigger lift Urban Meyer, Parcells Harbaugh to go to new places and immediately take bad to a playoff team and this is in the AFC
Starting point is 00:47:35 this is in the division with Mahomes twice a year He's not doing this in the NFC South or the AFC South. So right now, the AFC playoff picture, Chiefs, Bills, Texans, Steelers, Chargers in, Cincinnati's hanging on by a thread. Baltimore's got a much better roster than Cincinnati, and Bo Nix is fine. It's funny, Bo Nix was 2431 and played fine. Next to Burrow, he just looked like a nothing burger, right?
Starting point is 00:48:07 tells you how great Joe Burrow is. So Harbaugh is just, it's, I say this, I root for every quarterback to make it. I don't root against any of these kids. But especially, it's funny if you watch Justin Herbert's career. So he was at Oregon, but because they didn't have good backups, Mario Cristobal didn't let him run until the Rose Bowl. And then everybody went, oh, my God, Justin Herbert. Jay Mack and I have talked about this. You watch the Rose Bowl against Wisconsin, and you're like, oh, my God, this guy can run too.
Starting point is 00:48:37 And here with the Chargers, this is why we implore Dean Spanos, just spend whatever it costs to get hard buff. It costs $20 million a year, whatever. You do not want to go to bed at night, having never gotten Justin Herbert a great coach. He is just an all-time kid, and I just couldn't be happier for him. Now, how about this, J-Mac, of all the playoff teams, because I do believe the Chargers have like four needs on offense alone. I like their kicking. I like their defense. I like their tackles and Herbert.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Are they the best team in the playoffs that can't win the Super Bowl? Wait, why can't they win the Super Bowl? They can, but it's Buffalo, Baltimore. You probably not have to go. They probably have the fifth best roster of the seven playoff teams in the AFC. So I'll agree with you. And it's not Philadelphia or Detroit's roster. Right.
Starting point is 00:49:34 I'll agree with you that the top three. in the AFC are stacked. However, the path to the Super Bowl this year, I think it's going to matter more than ever because there's so many bad teams in the league that aren't in the playoffs. And I feel like every team is kind of like if the Bengals get in. Let's say the Bengals are seven. Can you imagine? They're going to Buffalo first weekend?
Starting point is 00:49:53 Well, first of all. You're terrified if you're Buffalo. Oh, my man, I got to do it. Can you imagine Burrow goes to Buffalo first weekend? And Cincinnati's got no pressure. They already won there once in the playoffs. I think it was 2710 was the final. And how tight would Buffalo be?
Starting point is 00:50:08 Well, that's not great for Buffalo, but I also don't think Kansas City is indestructible. I know 15 and 1 and blah, blah, blah. I will say this. Two weeks of rest coming up. I said this before the year. I think we both said it. The Chargers are the Chiefs, A plus coach and quarterback, really nice defensive pieces, get a rush, got a great player in the secondary.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Both can use a little help skill people. It's kind of a work in progress. I think the Chargers are a slightly less version. And by the way, both great head coaches, both great defensive coordinators, both great coaches, both need more weapons. It's a work in progress. The Chargers had to play the Chiefs again. They match up very well with Kansas City. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:50:52 I didn't even realize that Pittsburgh's sliding so much. So if the Bengals beat the Steelers, Pittsburgh's 10 and 7, if the Chargers win their final game, they would be 11 and 6. they would then leapfrog Pittsburgh to five and then play Houston. I'd rather play Houston than Baltimore, wouldn't you? Oh, yes. Houston could get routed in the first. I don't even know what they are. Colin right, Colin wrong, first hour flies by.
Starting point is 00:51:17 This is the best part of the season. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.
Starting point is 00:51:27 We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:51:45 Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter, Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, and on my new podcast, How Hard Can It Be? I call on my Gen X squad from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate Midlife's most fantastic BS. Unfiltered conversations from night sweats to futas to scheduling sacks. Wait, what sex? Is it just me or does every woman my age want to look at Pinterest instead of having sex sometimes? They say we can't polish a turn, but we're sure going to try.
Starting point is 00:52:43 So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Deanna Maria Riva on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was hungry.
Starting point is 00:53:07 You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis come in to you, he's like, you know I love you, dog. You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:53:23 Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips and size. school. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:53:32 A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got them.
Starting point is 00:53:49 Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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