The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - What Chiefs-Eagles will look like

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Colin discusses what he feels the Super Bowl will be like this Sunday Thoughts on the Lakers latest trade after getting Luka Doncic The Browns will never draft another defensive player as good as Myles GarrettSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome in to the Crescent City, live in New Orleans, A perfect setting for a Super Bowl for the ages. Jay Mack to my side are guest list filling up. We are in New Orleans, and this is the hurt. We have a great show, and we're going to be here in New Orleans for a couple of days, and we're going to make it count, Jay Mack. Now, I was going to leave with the Lakers who made another move last night. But the last time I did a show that led with the Lakers, things got really fuzzy, really fast,

So I'm going to make that the second story. I'm a little superstitious on that. What I want to lead with is this. I've thought about this last night. What is this Super Bowl going to look like? And you know what I think it is? And I think it's a pretty good comp. This is going to be the New England Seahawks Super Bowl.

Remember that? The Seahawks, like the Eagles, had the stacked roster. In fact, when people talk about Philadelphia's roster, they say it's the best since Seattle. You talk to Tom Brady about that Seahawk roster. I've talked to him on this show, and he's like, there were no weaknesses. Everybody was great. Safety's, corners, edge rushers, defensive tackles. There were no weaknesses.

There were no flaws. That's Philadelphia. But the quarterback, Russell Wilson, Jalen Hertz, little small, mobile. Is he an all-timer? No. New England is Kansas City. Iconic coach. Maybe the greatest quarterback of all time.

Second best roster. But they always win close games. Anytime a game is close. anytime it could go either way, anytime it's a big third down. It'll be Brady and the Patriots. It's Mahomes in Kansas City to win that game. And I want to talk about this because I think this is going to be a chess match.

And I think one of the chess matches is going to be between Mahomes and Vic Fangio, the defensive coordinator for Philadelphia, who, by the way, Mahomes is 8-0 against it. Every quarterback in the league struggles with Vic Fangio, except maybe Josh Allen, and except maybe Patrick. Mahomes. And I do think we have to consider this, and I don't think this is hyperbolic. If Patrick Mahomes wins and the first team, now the Packers did it, but the first team in what we considered modern football to win three in a row, he is the NFL's MJ. And I think

there are real similarities. MJ, six for six in the finals, six MVP's, but we saw his struggles. And I'll get to that in a second. Mahomes is almost relentless like MJ. He didn't look great in the regular season. Michael had off nights, but they both kind of shift gears. And what I've always noticed about Mahomes, much like Michael, they're not burdened with pressure. It's almost like they get bored in the regular season, and Michael would put his arms around these moments like, okay, this stuff counts. It was Tiger in his prime. Oh, we're finally to Sunday.

Final nine holes. That's Mahomes. The way he shrinks, Lamar Jackson, an all-time great. The way he shrinks Josh Allen. Maybe the most physically gifted quarterback since Marino or Elway makes me think Mahom sometimes like MJ is bored with a regular season. He's that gifted. And when I watched MJ, and I remember this well, sitting on a couch watching the Sun's Bulls final.

And Barclay was amazing. But he made Barclay look okay. And MJ wasn't the best shooter. He wasn't the biggest player. He wasn't the strongest player. He wasn't the best ball handler. None of that stuff. None of it with Michael.

But he was 6'4.6 of roulette. Mattless. Mahomes isn't as big as Alan. He doesn't move like Mar Jackson. He doesn't have the best arm, although he throws kind of quirky sidearm. But there's just something about him. There's an it, and it's why, remember now, Michael wasn't the number one pick. Mahomes wasn't the number one pick. That was LeBron. LeBron was on the cover of Sports Illustrated at 16. LeBron was the prodigy. LeBron was the overwhelming number one pick. But that's not the way it was with Michael and Mahomes. Mahomes had a losing record in the Big 12. There's one year he led the conference in interceptions. I saw him play one college game that I remember.

He was really skinny, wild. It was a shootout like all Big 12 games. And I thought, that doesn't translate to the NFL. He's out of control. And people forget this about MJ. It's as if the archives of MJ losing have been lost. They went Bermuda Triangle. Where did they go? Nobody knows.

Michael Jordan won as a freshman. You saw the movie air. He hits the big shot. Remember that? Do you realize that Michael stayed in college for two more years and didn't win a title? In fact, there is a 10-year gap. If you ever want to come down to the Bourbon Street and win a free cocktail and oysters, bet people this.

From his title as a freshman at UNC to his first NBA championship, Michael Jordan had a grand canyon-sized 10-year gap before he won a title. And it's like there's no footage of it. It's like the tape disappeared. So I watched Michael get beat up by the Celtics in the Pistons. I watched Mahomes be wild lead the Big 12 interceptions. And because of that, they're not prodigies. They weren't on the cover.

They weren't Bryce Harper. They weren't Tiger Woods. Because of that, I've watched them stumble, get beaten up, get tackled by the Pistons and the Celtics, get rolled by Oklahoma. And I think it makes them incredibly likable. But I do think this is going to look like New England. Brady with a little less talent around him, though good, with an iconic coach against the stacked roster and a very good coach, Pete Carroll, and a very good quarterback in his prime, Russell Wilson. And my guess is it ends the same way with the iconic all-time quarterback on one play late winning the game.

And here's Mahomes talking about the matchup with Vic Fangio. Every time I've played Coach Fangio, there's been different changeups and different things that he's thrown at us. And I think that's what makes him so great is he's not going to just do exactly what you saw the last time. And so I'm sure there'll be blitzes in the game. I'll sure there will be times when they play coverage. It's going to be a chess match. And you want to go up against the best, and he's one of the best defense of coordinator is in the NFL. And it'll be a great challenge for us as an offense and as a football team.

Okay, now I'll talk Lakers. Take a deep breath. I'll be fine. So the Lakers made a couple of moves. But they made another one last night to get a really talented kid that I didn't want. watch them in the NBA just highlights, but I saw him at Duke named Mark Williams. Big athletic, shot blocker, more defense than offense, has a nice little soft touch around the rim. That's what the Lakers needed. That's what the Lakers acquired. 23 years old, great future. And the Warriors got

Jimmy Butler. Get to that in a second. But I don't know if the Laker or Warrior moves make them championship teams. Feels more possible with the Lakers. But the new CBA in 2020, put up this wall of fear and a lot of teams didn't want to make moves but who did last year the Celtics drew Holiday and Porzingus and the Mabs with Gafford and they went out and got PJ Washington and who ended up in the finals the Mabs and the Celtics so this year trading deadline if you're not making moves you feel like you're not you're not progressive you're not competitive. You're asleep at the wheel. I mean, Rob Polenko, let's be honest about this, got himself a five-year new deal, getting Luca without giving up Austin Reeves or a second number

one pick, and getting Mark Williams, and again, not giving up Austin Reeves. And I don't know long-term what Austin Reeves is going to provide with Luca and LeBron James, but I know this. Dallas was 29 and 23 last year at the trading deadline, and then went 21 and 9 and ended up in the finals. So everybody was really, really with a lot of time. new CBA, a little self-conscious, a little rigid, a little fearful on making big moves. Mavs Celtics did and were rewarded, and I think the Lakers and the Warriors did and will be rewarded. I think between Luca, Austin Reeves, a rim protector, the Lakers and Luca, I think they went from old to young, athletic. They're still not great as a perimeter defensive team.

They probably need another three-point shooter. The Lakers have literally changed the feel and the reality of their roster. Old to young and more dynamic. And that's a real thing in Los Angeles. Now in terms of Jimmy Butler of the Warriors, I said this, I think a month ago on the air, I said they've got to make a move. If Steph's not on the floor, they're boring. And the one thing with the Warriors, you didn't have to love them, they were never boring.

And it's like he needs a number two star. And he got it. And yes, they gave up Andrew Wiggins. They've been looking to move him for years. Yeah, they move. But you know what? They keep Kaminga. They got Draymond.

It's Steph. It's Jimmy Butler. Now, I don't know if this takes them to a new level. But the NBA's television ratings for the last three years have had a interesting problem. And this solves the interesting problem for the Warriors and the Lakers, who, by the way, every time they play on Christmas, every time Steph and LeBron play, it's the highest rated. game in the regular season. And it was this year so far, and now they both got more interesting. And whereas, you know, the NBA is doing a lot of things right, but it's getting more European,

it's less reliant on familiar college basketball players. So it does matter where the players play. In L.A., New York, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, it matters. That's why baseball ratings. Dodgers great, Yankees great, Mets interesting, Bryce Harper, Philly's good. In the NFL, it doesn't matter. Buffalo could face Tampa Bay and the Super Bowl. You'll get a number. Baseball in the NBA, there can be interesting problems.

So you need the right stars to end up in the right places. So I look at this. I am much more interested in the NBA today than I was three days ago. That's all I know. I cannot wait to watch Jimmy Butler, Stefan Draymond. And I, Luca, Mark Williams, LeBron, Austin Reeves, I don't know. That feels like a team that can get to the finals. Mark Williams is one of those guys.

He's young. He's had injuries. But when he's on the floor, and I saw him at Duke, not a lot of NBA knowledge, but I saw him at Duke. And he is a force. He is an athletic force. So, J. Mack, here we are. Matt Hasselbeck's going to be on set in 20 minutes. Drew Brees, Mark Sanchez.

I will do what I always do for the biggest games of the year. I take out my yellow pad and I rate all the players, Chiefs and Eagles, who's got the more, generally, whoever's got the more good players wins. I will tell you, it is tough. There are 16 guys. I'll just tell you right now. Travis Kelsey didn't make it. That's not that hot of a take.

Come on. He's not top 10 in this game, not in his age. He's pretty good. By the way, you see money coming in on the Eagles here? The lines coming down a little bit. probably going to head toward pickum this weekend. All right. Well, people make mistakes all the time.

They do not. They do not. The public is dominated. At the Crescent City of Bourbon Street, beautiful place. This place is called Mason Bourbon. It's a jazz home, which, as you know, in New Orleans, is something that's your special. Coming up next, among our other thoughts, is there is a secret sauce and a familiarity with the Eagles and Chiefs that isn't getting discussed much. We'll talk about that next.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. New Orleans on Bourbon Street. So of the great philosophers and quotable philosophers of our time or any generation. There's Shakespeare, there's Aristotle, and of course, Tony Soprano. And that Tony Soprano said one time, remember when is the lowest form of communication. Or in other words, look through the windshield, not the rear view mirror, remember when. I got to be honest, there's a lot of talk about Brady and Mahomes' goat talk. I think it's stupid. I think football in my life has always been

the one sport that is constantly changing. There's an old saying in sports. The NBA thinks of it. Baseball makes the most money from it, and football gets it right. They tweak, they change, they alter. Even during games, during the playoffs, they'll change a rule to make it better for the fans. You cannot compare Brady and Patrick Mahomes. You can't compare it.

I mean, Brady had a defensive conservative coach. who could not draft wide receivers. Mahomes has the greatest offensive coach, maybe next to Bill Walsh ever, and he has a surplus of almost everything. Now, they had to get rid of one wide receiver, but they always find talent. They always find creative play design. They're different players in different eras.

You go back to when Brady broke into the league, what you could do to wide receivers, jamming them, what you could do to quarterbacks, how you could hit people upstairs. None of that's allowed. That gets you thrown out of gains now. That is not a knock at Mahomes. It is the reality of a sport that is constantly fluctuating and constantly changing.

It's different. Bob Gibson, the great St. Louis Cardinal pitcher, he would get people out if he was pitching today. So it's Andy Kofax. It's pitcher against hitter. You can make changes to the rules, that goofy defensive shift that was implemented, then retracted. And some stuff changes like analytics where now ground balls are trouble, strikeouts, are okay. They talk launch angle and stuff. Nobody really outside of baseball cares about.

Football is just changing all the time. Overtime rules, regulation rules, the kickoff is different, the PAT is different, and you can't do nearly what you can do as a defender that you could do 20 years ago when Tom Brady broke into

this league. Stylistically, they're two different players, Mahomes and Brady. The coaching is different. And I think to me, all the great quarterbacks in my life. You can go to Bradshaw, to Stabler, to Aitman, to Marino, to Elway, to Mahomes, to Brady. Like all of them, I feel like the all-time greats have two things in common. Franchise stability. He kind of had the same people in the building mostly for a long time, and you had a really strong coach. It could be Chuck Knoll, it could be a Madden,

a Belichick, and Andy Reed, Shula, Shanahan. That's it. A strong coach who in his era is among the top two or three and stability in the organization. So comparing Brady and Mahomes, it's a little bit like comparing currency to cryptocurrency. Like I know you can pay for stuff with both, but one I don't know what to do with, and the other I know exactly what to do with. And Mahomes is just entering his prime. I don't know what it's going to become. And I think, I mean, the goat talk to me, are we just filling content?

Are we filling sections? Are we filling space? It's like in college football, when a writer's in October, early October are talking Heisman. Talk about the games. Nobody cares about an award that's regional at best. Here's Mahomes on the Goat Talk.

I'm just trying to be the greatest patch of Mahomes that I can be. I mean, that's obviously a goal of anyone's is to be the greatest of their profession. But in order to do that, the greatest that you can be every single day. And if that's on the field and the work ethic I put in or off the field and the father and husband that I am, I'm going to try to be the greatest in that way. And whenever I'm done with the football, if I leave everything out there the way that I feel like I have so far, as far as effort and mentality, I'll be happy with the results and I'll let others talk about who the

greatest is of whatever profession that is. All right, don't forget 35 minutes from now, I'm going to give you the top 10 players. I do this for every championship. the biggest games of the year. I'll give you who I think are the 10 best players in order. Yamah Holmes is probably number one, and here's J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Probably number one. All right, Super Bowl is upon us, Colin. Eagles hoping to kind of turn the tables after that Super Bowl 57 loss. Jalen Hertz was asked about how that defeat impacted him. Here's what he had to say.

I learned so much. You know, it's the same as anything. the other game. And, you know, I think the moments are the moments, but ultimately, you know, every game has his lessons. Good, better and different. So, he's been able to become wiser, grow and mature, and take all these lessons in for the next season and the next game.

So Hertz was spectacular in the last Super Bowl. 30-4 yards passing, 70 on the ground, four touchdowns. He did have a fumble in the pocket that Bolton scooped up and scored. scored on that kind of got the chiefs reinvigorated. What's your vibe on Hertz who's had an up and down season? Remember, they kind of rained him in early? There are splits that are really interesting. When he has time to throw, he is spectacular.

When he's pressured, he is below average, like near the bottom of the league. So it's pretty clear what the game plan is for Kansas City. Spaggs in the second, third, and fourth quarters, Kansas City is a top five pressureizing team. I think you're going to see a lot of blitzes, a lot of pressure. I think what Kansas City doesn't want to happen is Philadelphia's dominant O-line in run game puts Patrick Mahomes on the sideline as a spectator for three and a half hours. So I think Spags is going to take big risks and say, you know what, Jalen, beat us over the top.

We're going to put Trent McDuffie on A.J. Brown. We feel good about it. Beat us in big plays. What we're not going to let you do is have. nine-minute drives, and we get out of rhythm offensively, and we can't stop you defensive. Interesting. You know, I actually have a Hertz ticket to win MVP of the Super Bowl, simply because of that strategy.

I think he's going to be blitzed, and I think Hertz is going to deliver. I believe in him. I know he's had his ups and downs. I don't think this Chief's defense is as good as everybody's making it out if he called. They cannot stop the run. Well, they're not as good as last year. And again, once you pay a quarterback, what Mahomes makes, you have to make choices. Remember, they got rid of Sneed.

Yep. But I will say this. Spaggs' defense, like Mahomes in big games, they tend to ratchet it up a little bit. He's a little more exotic with his blitzes. They take more chances. I mean, I don't know what Philadelphia's game plan is, but I feel like Kansas City has a way to win, and that is to make Jalen Hertz uncomfortable. You can't blitz Mahomes.

So that doesn't work with him. What you want to do, and Jalen Carter is sick, and he's not going to be at 100 percent, potentially. Hopefully he doesn't have what you had. Yeah. Well, yeah. Wouldn't not be good? He's a little stronger if he does get it. But I think what pressurizing Mahomes only works if it comes on a four-man rush. If you start adding extra people, it's like Brady and his prod.

He'll eat you alive. So you can blitz hurts and he regresses. You can't do that with the Mahomes. It's a different level player. All right, let's move on to another quarterback who you like. That's Justin Herbert. Phenomenal regular season, got his team to the playoffs. but he was not spectacular.

Actually, he was terrible. In the loss to Houston, had four interceptions, barely through any all season, but then imploded in the playoff game. Herbert's now 0 and 2 in the postseason, and of course you got meatballs all over the internet criticizing him. Here's Derwin James clapping back at the haters.

Can we please start trying number 10, man? Y'all stop disrespecting him, bro. I promise you, like, I can't wait for y'all to see, man. This next season when I know we're gonna do what we do, for y'all really get to see the real team. man, I know how hard he worked. And I wouldn't rather have no other quarterback, bro. You played against him.

You know how good of a player he is. I'm kind of with Durwell-Jane's here, right? Yeah, I think... I think Justin Herbert has a little bit of a Lamar Jackson issue. Is we know you're super talented. We know you're worth a lot of money. We know you're a top 7-8 guy. We know you're a franchise quarterback.

But this is not baseball where stats are king. And it's not basketball where aesthetics and optics matter, right? Carmelo, you don't hold it against him. He didn't win a lot, but he was a great score. This is pro football. But if you don't win in January, then we look at you differently. I mean, Dan Marino, maybe the most talented quarterback ever. I mean, seriously, that good.

Dan Marino went to a Super Bowl in year true. Never got back. And it's absolutely held against him. If John Elway, at the very end of his career, didn't win Super Bowls, I mean, I grew up with Elway. He was getting blasted in playoff games. He was getting blasted in Super Bowl before Torell Davis. So it does matter in the story.

I mean, Barry Bonds did not have a lot of postseason success. It doesn't matter. We talk about some steroids, but we don't. Ken Griffey, he's still the natural, but football's different. You have to win in January. Yeah, remember Peyton Manning struggled his first, I believe, four years in the league. Couldn't win a playoff game. Can you imagine what social media would have done to Peyton Manning,

who's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time? Final story, Colin, is the Packers. This is a little spicy. They brought in Josh Jacobs to give Jordan Love a weapon in the run game, and Jacobs was awesome. 1,300 yards, 15 touchdowns. Jacobs, though, is now offering a request for the Packers' front office. Obviously, we got a really young group of receivers.

All can be really, really, really special, but I think personally we need a guy that's proven to be a number one already. So somebody that's going to know it's going to be a little bit more consistent. That made me played here before? He'd be coming at the right price. Be coming at the right price. Tell them to tell them the slide. I don't know about this.

Completely absolutely disagree. Yeah, I'm with you. This is players. Players love wide receivers because they're fun. They're athletic. They're the most interesting players on the field, personality-wise. There's an argument. Kansas City is better without Tyree Kill.

Buffalo's better without Stefan Diggs. Dak Prescott got better without Des Bryant. And my take is the let you do not, what you need is somewhere. weapon. It can be Sequin Barclay. It can be Travis Kelsey Grunt. You need a dependable weapon, and it can be anything. It can be Christian McCaffrey. I think Seacquan Barclay is the weapon. I mean, A.J. Brown is reading on the sidelines. Like, Devonte Smith has disappeared. I think wide receivers have a purpose, but these games late, and once again, running backs, everybody said it was going away. Wide receivers, as the weather gets cold and all these northern

teams that play outdoors do not have the post-season value of Josh Jacobs to the Packers. Josh Jacobs actually changed Green Bay more this year. Derek Henry to the Ravens changed them more than his A-Flowers would do. So this is how players view it, but that's why players are not GMs. I think the Green Bay receivers are more than adequate. They got Dobbs, Reed, Watson, Wicks. They're a good group. It's one of the deepest groups in the league.

Jacobs has been in Green Bay for a year. How's this going to go over in the locker room? Dude, you just showed up. I know. You're renting a house. We've been here. We were drafted by the team. This is not good news.

Yeah. Totally disagree with that take. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. In fact, let me tell you what Green Bay needs. So because the Deshawn Watson situation in Cleveland is such a mess,

and because ownership's been chaotic, Miles Garrett is now available on the market. Miles Garrett's like, I don't want to be a Cleveland Brown. And by the way, they had some success with him just not last year. So Miles Garrett is a once, the Cleveland Browns will never draft another pass rusher as good as Miles Garrett. And the Giants will never have another LT. And that's just the reality of it. Miles Garrett, to me, is one of six, maybe five defensive players in the league.

Crosby's probably one that I would pay for. Chris Jones of Kansas City is one. I think Jalen Carter is probably one. I would just open the checkbook. I don't care what he costs. There are two teams that need to go make aggressive runs at Miles Garrett. The Buffalo Bills and the Green Bay Packers. So let's think about Buffalo.

With a good defense and Sean McDermon, I've watched this thing over and over with Mahomes. Mahomes. You can't stop him. He's dropping 35 plus. It doesn't work. You have a defensive coach, Josh Allen in a defensive culture. You can't stop Mahomes. You're not going to find him in the draft. There's nobody sniffing Miles Garrett in this draft. There's nobody close to his gun. There's about six to eight first round players that Scouts think are really, really elite. It is a very watered down, mostly second and third and fourth round picks. Go get him, Green Bay. You're facing the best offensive line, arguably in football.

in Detroit, and if you get past them, the next great offensive line is Philadelphia. The only way to beat a Philadelphia or Detroit with those old lines if you're Green Bay, because Jordan Love's going to make mistakes, is an unblockable rush in. And so I look at Buffalo, and I look at Green Bay. Guys, I'm look at what you're surrounded by. You're not beating Mahomes unless you buy a disruptor. And you're not getting through Detroit and Philadelphia's O lines. with Green Bay's current pass rush.

And because Buffalo and Green Bay are the two smallest markets, you know, the media is more supportive. That doesn't mean it doesn't have any bite. But the Buffalo media and the Green Bay media, it's a little bit like New Orleans. They're kind of on your side a little bit. If the New York Giants or the Jets, for instance, New York teams with an angry, loud New York media,

if they were this far from the Super Bowl, radio stations, newspapers, the media and fans in New York would be demanding you get Miles Garrett. But Green Bay and Buffalo, and I've been reading some of the local articles there on the Miles Garrett thing, it's like, well, it'd be a pretty decent fit. No, no, no. You're not beating Mahomes. You can't stop Mahomes. Vaughn Miller's getting older.

Like, it's over. You're not beating Mahomes. And Green Bay, you've got to take a big swing on this. because Jordan Love is good, but he can be reckless. You're going to be in close games with Detroit, Philadelphia, the Improving Rams, the Niners are still around, who knows what Washington is. So to me, you get one Miles Garrett in a franchise history. He is an outcome changer.

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aqua water, great weather, best beaches in the country. Who's been the most frenetic, active Eastern Conference basketball team with trades over the last 20 years? To Miami Heat. They have to. People are distracted. Too many beautiful people. Too many things to do. Los Angeles made the move to get Luca. And within a day, everybody's like, so what? You got to go get a center or you're not going to win any games. If he goes to, if Luca ended up in Charlotte, or maybe here in New Orleans, or 90% of the markets in the NBA, they're satisfied with that. In Los Angeles, the Dodgers almost draw $5 million.

You have two NFL teams. You have great Mediterranean weather. It's why USC had to get Lincoln Riley, UCLA Chip Kelly, Jim Harbaugh to the Chargers. You have to make moves San Francisco. There's too many things to do. you've got to get Jimmy Butler that's why the Warriors they went after KD again KD's like not interested

they went after Jimmy Butler we've been sitting there Milwaukee made a move they let Chris Middleton go which they should have two years ago and went and got Kyle Kuzma but we've been waiting for that for two years it's like guys let's go but it's Milwaukee once the Packer season ends what's the competition they're winning they're pretty good

so you know like like Pete Alonzo just resigned with the Mets it was going to be three years that ended up being two but there's I mean In New York in the summer, some people are off to the beach, the Hamptons, they're traveling, they got the Yankees, they get, there's just a lot to do. And you are forced to make moves. So it's the reality of being in these distracted, big, aggressive markets.

Rob Polinka, it was just interesting. I'm talking to Laker fans, and they love Luca. But a day later, they're like, it doesn't mean anything if you don't get a center. Okay, 90% of NBA cities would be like, we've got Luca, we hit the power ball. Let's wait and build next year. It's not the way it works, and here's Rob Polika. Luca Donchich joining forces with the Los Angeles Lakers is a seismic event in NBA history.

And the reason I say that is because we have a 25-year-old global superstar that's going to get on the stage of the most popular and influential basketball brand on the globe. and I think when those two powerful forces come together, it brings basketball joy to the world. But they were a bad defensive team as he was sitting there on stage. And now this morning, Mark Williams, Duke, Charlotte, Athletic, Shot Blocker, rebounder. Now people in Los Angeles are like, good. It's almost like the Dodgers already had Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts.

Why get Otani? Because in the summer, people are going and traveling and beach and mountains. Why not? If you can fund it, why not? And also, let's be honest. Like a big company like Meta, Oracle, Google can make a mistake and it doesn't bankrupt them. They make all sorts of the Google glasses. You know, meta's had all sorts of stumbles.

That eyewear stuff they were going to do. It's okay. In these big markets, you are so capitalized. have so much money that you can make mistakes and you're okay. It doesn't penalize you forever. And I mean, LeBron Austin Reeves and Anthony Davis would have been absolutely okay for almost every franchise. I mean, go look at Boston, another city with a broad things to do in the summer.

Boston was winning a lot of games with Jason Tatum, with Marcus Smart, and with Jalen Brown. They were winning, I mean, they were on about a four-year run, they were like the team we thought was going to win it. And that wasn't good enough in Boston. That wasn't good enough because the Patriots had the standard. It's not good enough. You've got to take a big swing. So they go get Porzengis and Drew Holiday and they move Marcus Smart.

And they went, that's what Boston demands. So before you yell, everybody's out to see the Celtics win or the Lakers win or the Warriors or. No, those cities have to make moves because there's so much in market competition. So I was reading a story this morning about Kansas. Kansas City had a very good 2022 draft. They got George Karloftus, Brian Cook, Leo Chanel, Trent McDuffie's a star at Corner, Isaiah Pacheco in the seventh round. And, I mean, Carlophthus was such a good pick at 30th that only one other player in that

first round has had more sacks, the number one pick Aidan Hutchison of Detroit. So they had a great draft. And if you go to Philadelphia and you look at the Eagles last two drafts, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, who took a while to get it right, Quinion Martin Mitchell, Cooper DeGine, two drafts. They went from one of the oldest teams in the league last year, six oldest, to third youngest team in the league this year.

Philadelphia. So unlike baseball, where you can buy championships, or at least buy relevance and wins, or, you know, in the NBA, where there's kind of a reality that if you get one or two players, foundationally, you'll be viable. And also in the NBA, draft picks are a little like croutons in your salad.

They're kind of in the way. You know they're there. You have one or two, but they don't really matter. You can give them away. In the NFL, this thing is still built on the draft. Free agency in the NFL is kind of for suckers. Most of the good teams wait three or four days in to get value. You start looking at the Eagles, and you start looking at the Rams, who we were told

were on a rebuild two years ago and started with a playoff games. It's all foundational. It's all draft. and when I started this business years ago, I had a friend, he goes, I don't even like the draft, but he goes, you talk about it so much that now I'm kind of interested. And I said, it doesn't matter in the NBA.

I mean, Lakers are giving away draft picks and no, there's not a single person in L.A. that goes, I can't believe you gave away that conditional first round pick. Nobody cares. They don't care. And in baseball, I mean, the pirates are the Yankees farm system. Nobody cares. In the NFL, it doesn't matter your market size.

Go look at the Chiefs' 2022 draft, as they had to pay Mahomes big money. Go look at the Eagles. They're paying Jaylen Hurd. How are the Eagles able to pay, A.J. Brown, Sequin Barclay, J.L.Hertz. How are they able to pay all these guys? Darius Slay? Because they had back-to-back draft classes where they got stars at virtually every unit. And I think that's what separates it.

It's one of my mantras has always been, in the NFL, it all starts upstairs. Like I had a general manager in the NFL who was talking about Buffalo after they lost to Kansas City and I had a discussion with him about a week and a half ago and he said, you know the truth is Kansas City has a much better roster than Buffalo. He goes, you think Josh Allen elevates people? He goes, James Cook is great, Josh Allen's great.

They've got a couple of defensive players we like, won the corner who had the concussion stuff. He goes, Kansas City's got just better players. he goes the difference between the bills upstairs and the chiefs upstairs is greater than people think Josh Allen just fools you into believing Buffalo should beat him but when you watch that game who made all the big plays it was the Kansas City guys I mean in fact that was one of the problems I had with Buffalo they didn't give James Cook the ball last nine minutes of the game it's like dude it's your second best player on the team that's the second best player you got he's probably

the eighth best player on Kansas City or seven so J-MAC, here we go. I know J-MAC gets fired up, because any time I ever offer slight criticism to the NBA, Mr. Get a bucket here from the perimeter, never seen a jumper he didn't like, freaks out. But I will say this. I don't want to overreact.

But when the Lakers got Luca, I thought, oh, that's pretty interesting. I'm not sure it works. When they actually got the much lesser player today, I went, okay. Like, we always talk about this in the NFL. quarterback, left tackle, weapon, pass rusher, smart head coach. Like, there's boxes you've got to check.

In the NBA, as it's gotten bigger over the last five years, if you don't have an athletic big. That's why DeAndre Aitin keeps getting paid. You don't even have to fill out all the boxes. If you're long, if you're athletic, that you can match up, like with Wembe in the league now, the next four years, you've got to figure out how to defend that, or at least make it difficult. So I think it's interesting that Luca is the future, but if you don't get Mark Williams,

they're really not a viable championship team in the West. As excited as you are for Mark Williams, should we get a hurricane and pour some out for Dalton Connect? Everybody's favorite player? I mean, we lost Dalton Connect in the trade. That's a big loss. But what does it tell you about the NBA? So everybody liked Dalton Connect. And I thought he was going to be a winner in all this because I thought Austin Reeves was the odd man out

because he, Luca, and LeBron need the ball. So I thought Austin Reeves, odd man out. Dalton Connect kind of can create space, get them off in a wing. But in the end, look how easily the Lakers move off Dalton Connect. Because you know they were called. You know both the Mavericks and Carolina wanted Austin Reeves. He's averaging like 18 points a game. And he's a playmaker.

He gets to the line. He's all hustle and effort. Everybody wanted Austin Reeves. What Rob Polinka did to get Luca and Mark Williams and keep Austin Reeves. That is good GM. And I'm not the biggest fan of Austin Reeves. I think in a championship team, he has to be four.

Oh, that's harsh. A soft three or a really strong four. Like Derek White. You can win a championship if Derek White's your third best player. If he's your fourth, you're really, really good. By the way, you think Luca and LeBron are scared of OKC and SGA and the Houston Rockets? You think LeBron and Luke are scared of any of those guys? I watched the little SGA last night

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