The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Wilson, Packers

Episode Date: March 9, 2022

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It's been a fabulous March. It's just getting started. We haven't gotten to March Maddust yet. So good. It's great. NFL is year-round now. So here's something, Joy, as a general rule. People that are really talented are not afraid of obstacles.

When Netflix went to streaming and started taking over the world, were they the only company that did it? Jeff Bezos and Amazon said, no, no, no, get me into that game. Get me into that game, Amazon Prime. Disney said, let's go buy Hulu. Get us into that game. The great ones aren't afraid of obstacles as long as they have weapons. And that's why Amazon Prime and Paramount and Hulu and Peacock,

they're all spending big money to get the right actors and the right directors and the right producers. If you're afraid of great competition, if you're afraid of Netflix, you're not great. the great brains, the great business models. They just want the ammunition, and they'll pay for it. Colin, Russell Wilson, going to that division. Scary. Yeah, because Aaron Rogers playing in that crappy divisions really helped him out in the playoffs, hasn't it?

You want to play in a Power 5 conference? The SEC doesn't seem to hurt their teams. They all win the national championships every other year. Let's talk about what a tough division he joined. It's funny, Matt Stafford went to the Rams a significantly tougher division and won a Super Bowl. Didn't hurt his career much, did it? Let's look at the AFC West. Ooh, the Raiders!

Last 19 years, two playoff appearances lost both. Dysfunctional even last year. Porest owner in the NFL. Last year, narrow wins over average teams. But they beat the Colts. who because they lost to the Jags didn't make the playoffs. That's a big obstacle. What about the Chargers?

Oh, yeah, their head coach, Brandon Staley, has five total years in his life coaching in the NFL. They, in the last 12 years, have won 10 or more games once. And what have we ever thought the Super Bowl goes through the Chargers? Haven't they always been talented but let us down? They're not a big clutch organization. They're just talented. They were talented with Dan Fouts. They were talented with Philip Rivers and Ladanian Tomlinson,

and they're talented with Justin Herbert. But they never rise in the moment like the Baltimore's of our life. They shrink. And then there's Kansas City. Yeah, smartly coach, smartly run, smartly owned, Patrick Mahomes. A very worthy adversary. No bad words here. Yeah, Russell had two of those in his division.

It was called McVeigh and Shanahan. And he made, won the division four times. and made the playoffs eight times in 10 years. And that includes the first two years when he really wasn't Russell Wilson. He was like the game manager with a great defense. So you're going to tell me going to a offensive coach, better defense, better online, more weapons, legit star potential running back, he's going to regress. The NFL playoffs have expanded to 14 teams, seven in each division.

Last year, Jalen Hertz made the playoffs. The Raiders were in utter chaos all year. negative point differential. The Raiders had a negative point differential. And they made the playoffs. 14 teams in, best division won every quarterback. And you think Russell Wilson's not going to make the playoffs. Okay, yeah.

Because, you know, Matt Stafford joined the toughest division in football and won a Super Bowl. And the year before, Tom Brady, from a wild card position, won the Super Bowl if they have to finish second to the chiefs, which is very possible. Like, they're great. Nobody is saying the chiefs aren't great. Brady, two years ago, won a Super Bowl. Well, that division, Colin, that division had the Saints who, when Tom entered it with Sean Peyton and Breeze were a Super Bowl bubble team.

And the Falcons, what about the Falcons? Certainly better than the Raiders the last six years. They got to a Super Bowl. Led a Super Bowl. Raiders done that in the last 19 years. Folks, the great ones aren't afraid of competition. Jeff Bezo saw what Netflix did and said, let me at him.

That's what the great ones do. Brady, just give me weapons. I don't care if I lose, Belichick. Give me better receivers. Matt Stafford, I don't care if I go to a tougher division and face Shanahan and Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray. Give me weapons. The great ones want weapons.

They don't lose any sleep over obstacles. That's what self-confidence. True inner confidence is all about. Russell's going to crush. So let's talk about Green Bay and Aaron Rogers. There's a lot of different ways to get to the big game. College football has 130 Division I programs, and the Cincinnati Bearcats ended up in the playoff.

How? They play in a weaker conference, a non-power five, and they won one big circle game on their schedule in Notre Dame. They had that puppy circled for three years. Notre Dame did not have Cincinnati circled, believe it or not. And they got to the playoff. Now, when they faced Alabama, they couldn't move the ball. That was not a big shock.

But they got into the playoffs because they had a very easy path compared to a Georgia, compared to an Alabama or a Big Ten school. The NFC North is an absolute mess. But this morning, I still think Green Bay has a decent shot, 10 to 1ons to the Super Bowl. Chicago's in a rebuild. They have a rookie defensive head coach and a second year quarterback. Detroit's got a goofy coach who we kind of like, but he's goofy, and an average quarterback.

And Minnesota has a rookie coach and an average quarterback. Outside of the Rams, who would the Packers face in the playoffs next year in the NFC that they'd be an underdog to? And who says they would have to face the Rams getting to the NFC? The safest bet in the NFL next year is Green Bay gets a buy and wins their division. They probably don't face the Rams until the NFC championship. and they'll face him at home. I don't think Green Bay is great.

I don't think Aaron wanted any part of Mahomes Herbert Carr. I think Russell Wilson's built differently than Aaron Rogers. But the Packers, the last couple of years, Colin, they've been the number one seed. So what? Both years, their defense ranked 13th. Wasn't even a top 10 defense. Last year, there was only one team that won a division that had a worse point differential than Green Bay. They weren't blown out teams this year.

They were getting by teams this year. They only had three Pro Bowlers this year. It's not a loaded roster. It doesn't have to be. Either did Cincinnati. You play in a weaker division. You have one or two big circle games. Anybody on Sunday can beat anybody.

The Jags beat the Bills. The Jags beat the Colts. Anybody can beat anybody. Like the Cincinnati Bearcats. You plan an easier conference. You have fewer obstacles. There is one NFC team. the Packers would face today and be an underdog.

Aaron Rogers is odd, a little weird for my taste and needy. He's not dumb. He's not dumb. It's an easy place, the easiest division, the most dysfunctional division by a mile. I think Aaron's more about the money and comfort. I think Russell's truly about winning and challenging himself. But in both instances, Packers 10 to 1, Broncos 14 to 1, according to Fan Duel today, to win the Super Bowl. they're both probably really good bets for different reasons, but both really good bets.

You know, I want to talk about it is, I'm going to talk about this next. So, and I got like nine angles. I was on the phone all day yesterday with people I trust in the NFL. Whenever you have a major trade or just a major transaction in any league, it doesn't matter if it's NBA, baseball, football, there's a ripple effect. right? Like there's a ripple effect. A great example is when LeBron went to the Lakers, what was the ripple effect? Open the door for Milwaukee.

Didn't have to face LeBron James. They don't have a wing defender that can really defend LeBron James. If LeBron went, you know, in his prime, he just kept getting to the Eastern Conference finals and winning it. He leaves it, open it up for a lot of people. Ripple effect. It is amazing the ripple effect that Russell Wilson has on so many players, coaches and teams in both conferences.

It's really crazy the ripple effect. And that tells you how great Russell Wilson is. The greater you are, the more your transaction, your entrance or your exit has on those around you. We'll talk about that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS. on the table right now.

Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 99% of professional athletes as gifted as they are get traded, acquired, and have no real impact on their division. even their team. They say about 33% of free agent acquisitions really truly make a team better,

especially a wide receiver. How many times have we seen that? The receiver goes and gets paved with the dolphins, but he doesn't take the great quarterback with him and he disappears. Russell Wilson's great. Now, the league has changed for years and years. You know that, right? It's now an offensive league. And Russell Wilson's been with a 70-year-old defensive coach in a brutal division with a battle line suboptimal tight end and running back talent. Now he gets all the toys. There's some real winners and losers in this, and let's talk about them. This is the ripple effect of Rust to Denver.

The losers, let's start with the Chargers and the Raiders. Fringe playoff teams last year. They had a play-in game essentially to get in. Denver's roster is better than both, in my opinion. They now add a better. quarterback arguably. Other losers, the Washington commanders, the Eagles, and the Carolina Panthers. They all wanted Russ and all remain not good enough to be a great team with their current quarterbacks. The losers, Seattle, I'm from there. He made us relevant. Relevance for a team

tucked up in the Pacific Northwest is a real deal. Russ for a decade. Pete Carroll had a losing record in Seattle. Pete Carroll, a good coach before Russ got there. Losers. Every young quarterback in the AFC, God, it was hard enough between Josh Allen and Mahomes and Lamar and Burrow and Herbert. Yeah, let's add another 32-year-old, still another five to six years of his prime, totally committed, almost obsessed with winning and working out, has a Super Bowl. Frankly, if they run Marshawn Lynch, has two Super Bowls. Those are the losers. Here's the winners.

The Green Bay Packers and the Rams. Not losing any sleep. Russell Wilson. Hall of Famer. Gone. Denver. Yeah. Finally. All these years later. Miami still can't find the legit replacement for Marino. They have officially found a long-term potential 10-year answer for Elway. Another winner is San Francisco general manager John Lynch.

Russell's off the market. Most teams have no interest pursuing Deshaun Watson due to his legal issues. Garoppolo now? Probably fetches you again a number two pick. And the other winners are any unhappy veteran good quarterbacks. Because for three years in a row, great players, Brady, Stafford, and Russell have not only left, not only wanted, not only demanded, not only asked for trades, they landed on better teams, better rosters.

All those really good quarterbacks out there, tired of your old defensive coach, tired of the power struggle at the top in Seattle, tired of a bad offensive line and whiffed draft picks in Seattle, year after year after year. Russell Wilson literally upgraded at every unit offensively, every single one. Don't tell me he's washed.

Look at his last four-year numbers. It's around that 29, 30 touchdown, eight interception thing. Last year, Teddy B. and Drew Locke threw for 20 touchdowns. Was it nine picks in that division? You don't think Russell's going to get to 30, 35 touchdowns? Seven, eight picks? He going to make the playoffs. lot of winners and losers.

And that is the ultimate respect and the ultimate sign how great Russell is. Nobody in Los Angeles this morning with the Rams is shedding a tear that Russell Wilson's out of the division. Not a one. They are having Crystal Bass

in the front office. Russell out of the division. Now it's Trey Lance and Kyler Murray with Cliff Kingsbury. I take that. I'd take that. say what you want about Russ last four years. Look at his numbers. With a battle line.

With a defensive coach. With no running backstar. With suboptimal tight ends. Joy with the news. No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. The Russ's wash takes are super spicy.

People, we have a trend in the NFL. Good quarterbacks. Go to good young offensive coaches. I mean, Zach Taylor in Burrow, Zach Taylor and Sean McVay ended up in the Super Bowl. Every NFC team that went to playoffs had an offensive coach. That is not a knock on Vic Fangio,

Mike Zimmer, Pete Carroll. But the league has said, Belichick now can't win playoff games. Belichick can't. And he just lost Josh McDaniels. The league is telling you, Nick Sabin three years ago in the New York Times, there was an article where Nick Sabin

admitted, I'm the best recruiter in college football history, the best defenses. I can't stop the offenses. I can't. Like the world's changed. We don't know if Nathaniel Hackett's a great coach. He may not be. We don't know if Zach Taylor was a great coach. He just got to a Super Bowl. The world has changed. The middle of the field now is no longer the defenses. It's the offenses and you cannot stop. You and I watch Josh Allen Mahomes. You need 13 seconds to drive down the field now. Yeah, it's not. It's a different world. It's not even fair. after the news broke that Aaron Rogers was staying in Green Bay, Broncos wide receiver Jerry Judy seemed to share his disappointment.

He posted his sad face on Twitter, which is understandable. And then just a couple hours later, Russell Bolson was traded to Denver and Judy quickly changed his tune. He tweeted, oh, we lit with a fire emoji and a big smiley face. The Broncos Fox bet odds when the Super Bowl improved from plus 2,200 to plus 1,400. Their odds to win the AFC improved from plus.

1,100 to plus 700 after the Wilson trade news and his MVP odds, which I think will end up being a very good bet from plus 2,800 to plus 1,200. That is, that's something you should pay attention to at the beginning of the season if you're interested in getting in on early MVP odds. This is obviously, this is huge news for the NFL, but I think the biggest overall takeaway for me is that mobility is here to stay. So if you're old, get off my lawn guy. I don't know to tell you.

It ain't going back. Look at what's happening to college sports. Players are like, I don't like the coach. You lie to me in recruiting. I'm out. And look what's happening in the NFL at the most important position. Belichick, no dinner with Brady for 20 years. He wanted something fresh.

Stafford, I can't deal with this dysfunction. And Russell's like, I'm sorry. Greg Olson told me yesterday when he was in the Seahawks locker room. And Greg likes Pete Carroll. Greg told me the plays they were running, systems were so outdated. You don't have to love Nathaniel Hackett, but Aaron Rogers, who's pretty smart, loved him and considered going to Denver because of one guy.

Nathaniel Hackett. I think this has been brewing for a long time now. I actually think the beginning of this was the ticket packages in all of sports. Because traditionally, you would only be able to watch what was on TV in your market, which very much brewed deep, deep passion and loyalty from fans and from players for particular organizations because the option for mobility wasn't there, but also you didn't see other things. Well, now you're a kid, you grow up in Seattle, you could be a fan of a Miami team or Houston, places you've never seen, you've ever even been out of your state.

There's no question. And you're completely entrenched in another team and another player and you become a fan of them. That wasn't an option 20 years ago. So that, to me, sort of set the stage for this ability to be mobile. Now, with everything being digital, the instance, lack of patience that everyone has, mobility is just something that has to exist. Now, that being said, you still have the traditionalists. So everyone doesn't need to panic.

Patrick Baham signed like a 10-year deal. Aaron Rogers just committed to stay in Green Bay another four years. So you're still going to have those players that don't want to move. Janice stayed. You're going to have players that stay. Josh Allen doesn't feel like he ever wants to leave. Justin Herbert, I've talked to Justin. He wants to play for one team in his career.

Probably not. Yeah. Obviously, that could change. Right. But there are still going to be guys who stay there for their whole careers and have long legacies in one place. But in contrast, you're going to have teams and players that have a lot of mobility that make people very uncomfortable, like the Rams.

Let's go. What's next? What's changing? No draft picks. We're not building for that. We're building to win now. And I love that there's multiple ways, as you said, to start the show to win and to get through a championship. So Kyler Murray's future in Arizona was being questioned.

You removed all the Cardinals mentions off of his social media, which is usually, I think now we can confirm a sign. Things to come. Russell Wilson did that. And that's now he's not there anymore. Well, it's been widely reported he wants a new deal with the team. And, of course, his agent put out a manifesto of saying everything except that. but obviously that's really all he needed to say. But both sides are getting closer to a resolution maybe

because he returned all of his Cardinal stuff to his social media. I like that. So you can archive stuff. So you're not necessarily delete it. You just hide it for a little while. Which is a good option for Instagram. No, I mean, listen, this has been a theme for me in the last couple of weeks. Not all quarterbacks are DAC.

You're going to get some Aaron Rogers. You're going to get some Kyler Murray's. They're a little dramatic. I still need him. Best quarterback won every division. I still need them. Like I even like Carson Wentz, who half of you can't stand. Like there's not a lot of 6, 5, 2, 30 guys that run and throw.

Like in the end with Kyler, all this Instagram nonsense, I need him to win games. Look, there's Tom Hanks and there's Christian Bale. Like, you're going to have stars that have different approaches to things, different personalities. It's great for the league, first of all. It's great for us. But you can't just program everybody to be in a box anymore. I don't know how I would. would handle it, but I don't have a problem with people using the power and the leverage that

they have. This is their career. And sometimes we have to separate that. Like, we talk about it as competition and loyalty and winning. And this is also what they do as a profession. Yeah. This is how they make money. So what they need to do to leverage themselves into the best position is different for everyone. And look, you're not winning without Kyler Murray. So let's get it done. You're just not. You're not. So Mike Williams, Chargers, wide receiver and the team have blocked into a long-term deal. He signed an extension. Three years, $60 million. This was one of the moves that we were going to watch and see what the Chargers did, because obviously they have a young quarterback, and he is a great player. It's also $40 million guaranteed in $28 million in the first

year. He had 76 catches, over 1,100 yards and nine touchdowns this year. He was the Chargers leading receiver last season. Keenan Allen also had over 1,000 yards. So they have a nice nice collection of offensive weapons Austin Echler Joshua Kelly Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Josh Palmer The charge is going to be interesting this year I really feel like they need to make the playoffs this year

Yeah so do I As I talked to Tom Telesco, the GM about the Mike Williams move yesterday And he said listen there's not a lot of him on the market No this is a deal you have to make Yeah he's just a big strong fast First round talent there

He is not on the market That body type is very rare even in the national football league. Well, also, you know, you've had a wave of opinions about why receivers, whether they were, how important they were or not. And now I pivoted. I think you're firmly, yes, in the camp that they are at least a number one receiver and a strong number two are vitally important if you're going to be successful,

especially with a young quarterback. Listen, in the NFL fit 10, 12 years ago, the middle of the field was the defenses. It is now the offenses. You cannot stop Mahomes, Josh Allen. You can't stop them. Russell's had a terrible low line for six years. years. Go look at his numbers with a defensive head coach and a battle line and no star running back since Marchon left. It's hard to stop these guys. And the league now all like I pivoted off that.

It was like it was very obvious about five years ago. It's like I was talking to GMs. They're like, you cannot draft an offensive lineman over a receiver. Cincinnati desperately needed an offensive lineman. They took a receiver and ended up in the Super Bowl. Like GMs I respect are like Colin. We built a team this way our entire lives. And like six, seven years ago, it changed. Receivers after quarterbacks now. They're gold bars. You can't let Mike Williams go.

There's no prototype out there. Also, you have to have the ability if you're going to stick in games with teams like the chiefs or the bills to score instantly. Yeah, you can't. This idea I'm going to stop Mahomes or Justin Herbert. Go ask chief fans, what's it like to stop Justin Herbert? It's hard. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Buddy, Nick Wright, calls first things first. First thing's first got a new podcast. What's right with Nick Wright. First episode, Tuesday, March 15th. Okay, well, well, well. Oh, thanks for that, buddy.

Yeah, you got a new podcast out there. Very excited. Yeah, I do. Yeah, it's true. Thanks for promoting it. I appreciate that. How are you? You guys are very, very, very you're overrating Russell Wilson.

Oh, okay. Let's get that. It's not 2016. anymore, buddy. But go ahead. Where are we starting? We'll get that there a second. So let's just start. Aaron Rogers, listen, he wanted the money. People tell you what they want with their choices. It's not the best weapons.

They don't have an owner. It's still not a top free agent market. All the passive aggressive shots of the organization, nothing changed. We saw the playoff game. He still doesn't have a second receiver he trusts. What do you make of his move to stay? Okay, so I have two big takeaways on Aaron Rogers.

One is about you and I want to pay you a compliment. Okay. You say a lot of smart things. Well, you say a lot of things. Some of them are smart. One of the smartest things I've heard you say in the last year was that essentially Aaron Rogers needs to throw more interceptions. And I thought about it when you said it, that he is so,

you said that he is, you've talked about him being so cautious with the ball, afraid to take chances, protecting his own numbers, that it works to the detriment of his team in the biggest spots. And I think you're exactly right. And I think because he has won these two MVPs and then not played up to that level in the playoffs, the only way I'm going to believe that he is that this next year will be different would actually be if his interception numbers go up a little bit.

More risk. I want to see him taking more chances. Yes. A little more risks because he is in a comfortable division in a comfortable place. So I think that was really smart by you. And I think his choice was the reason I started there was he once again chose the safest option. But here's where the option is not quite so safe. I do think the excuses are gone now.

You can't be mad about Jordan Love anymore. You can't have this fracture in the relationship, but then, you know, decide to get married despite it and then still bring it up. So the Jordan Love stuff is gone now. Also, when, and I'm sure his cap number will go down, but eventually it will go back up. If you're going to make $50 million a year, you can't then anymore be like, ah, we don't have enough around me. You chose to stay. You chose to take more money. All totally your prerogative.

But now it falls on him. And that missed throw to Alan Lazard over the middle, instead chucking it up to DeMonte Adams in a tie game. in Lambo against Jimmy Garoppolo that's just seared into my memory. And I'm now going to need to see evidence that it is going to be different until I believe it will be different and that evidence can't show up until the postseason. One other thing, Colin, I don't think we're done going through this. Because if they flame out next year, I don't think it'll be I want to leave. But I think we'll deal with six weeks of I may retire.

I think like Aaron Rogers likes the money and the attention and that's fine. You and I are both in the money and attention business. I get it. But I think he's going to find a way to get both no matter what. All right. Listen, the NFL has expanded to 14 playoff teams, seven in each division. A good quarterback, Derek Carr, in utter chaos, made the playoffs. Jalen Hertz made the playoffs.

Russell Wilson, in his last four years, and I'll count the broken finger year in the toughest division, he's averaging about 30 touchdowns, eight picks with a bad O-line. Say what you want about Denver. They now have a young offensive coach. We've seen defensive coaches, Zimmer, Ron Rivera, Vic Fangio, Pete Carroll. They're just, it's Jurassic, man. It's like offensively, it's antiquated. I hear you don't think Russ will cook in Denver with a new offensive coach and better weapons.

Okay, well, better weapons. Hold on. Let's pause there. Put the Broncos and Seahawks receivers in a room together. The first pick is D.K. Metcalf, right? Second pick might be Tyler Lockett. So let's not, the better weapons thing, let's calm down on it. The Broncos' biggest issue last year was offensive line.

Yeah. And so we know Russell Wilson, you know, doesn't mind having a bad offensive line. Oh, wait, yes, he does. And we also know that Russell, you're right. Russell Wilson was in a brutal division last year and came in last place. place and was the only one who didn't make the playoffs in that division. I'm not sure that is the argument that you think it is. Russell Wilson, since he, through the interception that lost the Super Bowl,

has won three playoff games, Colin. Oh, the Broncos will be Super Bowl contenders with Russell Wilson. Why? The Seahawks weren't. Seahawks have been Super Bowl contenders since Legion of Boone walked out that door. The three playoff wins came in this order. 10-9 when Blair Walsh missed that 30-yard field goal, a win over the Lions doesn't count it's the Lions, and the game where Clowny knocked out wins,

and they had to beat a McCown brother, and they won 17 to 9. Does it not concern you that Russell Wilson doesn't run anymore? You keep saying, and you're right, the middle of the field belongs to offenses now. Not if your quarterback won't throw over the middle of the field, if he's just taking deep shots down the sidelines. I just, like, Colin, is Russell Wilson better than Mahomes?

No, is he better than Alan? No. Is he better than Herbert? No. Is he better than Burrow? No. Is he better than Lamar or Deshawn? Maybe. So he's the fifth, sixth, or seventh best quarterback in the AFC. The Broncos will contend for the final wild card spot.

That's what they'll contend for. Am I wrong? You think he's better than Herbert? Who's he better than? I think at this point he's better than Justin Herbert. Yes, and I love Justin Herbert, but he's a kid. Wow. He's a kid.

Never made the playoffs. You think the charges trade Herbert for Russ? Because I don't. And they can't say it's age. Russ said he's going to play until he's 45. 12 more years. Well, Russell's also really expensive and Justin Herbert's essentially free, which is, of course, as you know, a huge advantage. Now, let's segue to this.

I'm from Seattle. Hurt my feelings. Where is Seattle at now? Oh, well, I mean, they're no longer relevant. I think this is a listen, I think both these teams are going to end up five years from now being like, yeah, this trade didn't work out exactly the way we had hoped. But can I ask you, can you walk with me down a hypothetical path? Sure, love to.

Because I think we are now that we have the perspective of history. Yeah. That the Malcolm Butler pick, it's unquestionably the single most consequential play in NFL history. It's really big. If he doesn't throw that pick, So I think then Seattle, forget, they obviously win that Super Bowl. I think they might win a couple more. I think that split that team apart.

It hurt the locker room. And Adam breaking and it hurt the locker room. I think they were poised to go on an unbelievable run. That's the perspective everyone looks at from it. But I want to talk about the other side of it. If he doesn't throw that pick, Colin, Brady, that would have been his third consecutive Super Bowl loss. he would have that would have been 10 years without winning one now that we know he and belichick were never best buds and now that we know quarterbacks sometimes want to move

if he doesn't throw that pick is it not in play to you that what we just saw russell wilson do that brady could have done in new england i want a fresh start man started great hasn't been fun the last decade yeah like honestly it would have been three straight super bowl This was before the Atlanta Super Bowl. It was before the Rams Super. It was before all of that. It would have been, okay, Denver got Peyton Manning. They started beating me.

Then Russ is beating me. Like, you know what? I need to go. So if Russ doesn't throw that pick, I think it's in play. He has three Super Bowls and Brady has three Super Bowls. Instead, he has one and Brady has seven. I honestly, like, I think it's possible that was like it was a seismic event bigger than just that one game. By the way, it was the only interception thrown at the one yard line that

year because it's generally a pretty safe to throw it at the one. You don't throw a lot of picks. The other thing is Pete Carroll's the one that called, if you go to the play before, it was a running play with Marchon Lynch. New England couldn't stop Marshawn Lange. So as you pound that on Russell Wilson, there's an argument to be made, what the heck are you doing throwing the ball at the one? If Russell just turns and hands it off, he's got two Super Bowls. I don't think it's a Russ issue. I think it's a play call issue.

I'm not pounding. Oh, well, listen, I think it's, you know, I think it's a bit of both. I think the play call was bad. I also think if you throw an interception that loses the Super Bowl, and as you said, it's the only interception all year thrown from the one yard line. Maybe you should have made a better pass. But I don't know. Listen, I know Russell Wilson is a patron saying to this show.

I get it. Who cares that over the last five years, he has fewer playoff wins than, you know, 26, or I'm sorry, fewer playoff wins than 12 quarterbacks, the same as 26. He got fewer playoff wins over the last five years than Nick Falls, buddy. I mean, he's got, I mean, in the last seven years, last seven years, he has fewer playoff wins than Matt Stafford. Stafford won his first playoff game 90 days ago. But okay, no, no, he's going to go dominate the AFC West.

I'm excited to see it. Very excited. Look at that pocket square. He's feeling good. What's right with Nick Wright, first episode, Tuesday, March 15th is new. podcast. All right, my friend, it's great seeing you. Good to see you. Sorry, I'm going to be off Sierra's Christmas card list. See you, buddy. All right, there you go. I told you. Sierra said,

she came up to me at the Christmas party I was at, the one swanky Super Bowl party, not Christmas party, Super Bowl party. Yes. I went to one swanky one. I was like you were at a Super Bowl party with Sierra? No. I mean, at Christmas Party? The Super Bowl and she came and she goes, I love you. And she was talking about the show. But once she said that, I didn't hear anything else. Of course not. I heard she. She loves me. And she was the best looking human in the restaurant. She is,

she is not like the rest of us. Nope. And she said she loved me. And so Russ and I will fight over that. But that's all I heard. After she said that, it was just, they are,

they're up there. They're good looking people. He's got a new jet. Top five best jet. Have you seen his new jet? Like a airplane? Oh, yeah. Russell's got his own jet.

Oh, that's nice. That's a, well, I don't want my own jet. but the ability to fly on a jet when I'd like to is really all I'm working for. Yeah. That's a good goal. That and a driver. Yeah.

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And they do. They're going to save a lot of money on Russell and Bobby Wagner. My question is, they have a 70-year-old coach who has way too much power in the building. And since he's had more power, they are awful drafting. Awful. Seattle hasn't had what you would call a productive draft in seven years. They haven't had a great draft in 10. and they got Russell and Bobby Wagner and now they're both gone.

That was our last great draft a decade ago. So Denver in arguably, this is not an argument. Don't waste your breath on this. Denver won the trade in year one. It's like James Harden to the Sixers, which I told you would work instantly. Maybe Ben Simmons is great later in all those pieces. But James Hardin's a great player added to a good team. They're really good.

Russell Wilson's a great player. to a really good roster. They're going to be really good. Now, the question becomes for Seattle, can they win the trade year two on? Certainly possible if they hit on four of their draft picks. They're good ones, two first two seconds. They hit on all of them. They're all really high-end starters.

They don't have a recent history of doing that. And it still leaves a hold of quarterback. So to me, I don't trust Seattle to get the quarterback right. Here's what I would do. I would either draft Malik Willis at number nine. I talked to a general manager two days ago after the compound. He's like, listen, man, he is not refined, but he is big, strong, athletic, great arm. Everybody complained about Lamar Jackson being unrefined by year two.

He won the MVP. I would either draft him, if available, at the number nine spot, or I'd go after Deshawn Watson. And Pete Carroll's history is he'll deal with bag. and problems. He did it at USC. He's done it in Seattle. He'll deal with headaches, legal issues. Pete's not afraid of that stuff. This is not Green Bay. It's a big city. They can handle Deshawn Watson. Do I like Deshawn as much as I like Russell Wilson? No. Maturity. I mean, Deshawn Watson's been to the playoffs a couple times. He's one and two. Kind of shrinks. Russell doesn't. But the question is, and I've been on this now for years, I'm not being a backseat

driver on this. When Paul Allen, a great NFL and NBA owner, passed away, there was a power grab in Seattle and Pete won. And Pete has had way too much power in the building during Paul Allen's sickness, his passing, and since then. And he's had way too much say and control. And the result is it is the worst roster in the division. And it was a power grab. This stuff happens like all the time. if I worked at this company and our CEO left, there'd be a power guy. Who's going to get that job? If you make the wrong choice, to me, you got to start with a quarterback in this league. And I also think GMs are underrated and sometimes coaches are overrated.

I mean, how's Belichick doing now? To me, it's the quarterback and the GM. I'm not saying coaches don't matter. Sean McVeigh is a culture changer. But Seattle's got some problems and they have a massive hole to fill and you can't go Carson Wentzer-Trabisky. And you certainly can't go Russell to Drew Locke. Come on now.

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