The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Wilson, Patriots, Niners

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

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One hour from now. Jamek is joining us. So tonight, Steelers Browns, can the wobbly Browns get it right? They gave away a win last week. Can the potentless Steelers hang on and win ugly low-scoring games? Who do you like? Well, there's some money coming in on the Steelers overnight,

and today some Browns injury concerns. I made my biggest bet of the NFL season this morning. It's not on this game. I will reveal it later in the show. That's a tease, Colin. I'm working on my teases. Well, let me start with this. Hierarchy, I believe, is important.

Now, I don't think you need to be like a country shouldn't have a king or a queen like England, but I think like in corporate America, they call it the corporate ladder. Hierarchy is important. I have worked at great corporations. We have hierarchy here at Fox. They're very important person and the accounting department, the personnel department, Purdue, however you rank them. But in terms and times of crisis, you know who to look to.

Hierarchy gets a bad rap. Young workers do not like it. We're all equal here at work. They're not. No, that's not how it works. And it's important for young people, too. Who to blame, who to give credit to. And I'll give you an example.

Dynasties usually last, you know, four or five years. Now, the Spurs, the Warriors, and the Patriots lasted much longer. get to that in a bit. But the Seattle Seahawks is the one dynasty that never happened. They went from near dynasty to Dunn in a couple of years. Why? My theory's always been they had no hierarchy. And so Richard Sherman, who's a fantastic player and broadcaster, KJ.

Wright, were on a podcast and at my company the volume. Okay, their little credit props, whatever. And they were talking about Russell Wilson didn't have to play by the same rules when they were all together and young in Seattle and winning. Early on, we talked about accountability. He was not held to the same accountability as a rest of us. That's just facts. You bashing the defense, I need you to at least mention his name in the team mean room.

Can I at least get that? When you talk about accountability in the early years, no. As he grew, as he got older, Coach Carroll did do a better job in addressing things. Hey, Russ, we do this, you do this amount of picks. You got to get better. But there wasn't enough years difference, you know, for the accountability thing to be like that.

That's what I tell people. They're like, well, he was young. It was like, well, again, he was a year younger than us. It ain't that young, kid. It ain't no baby. Why did Seattle's near dynasty blow up? As Pat Riley calls it, the disease of me. So Pete Carroll had been fired twice before Seattle

and had a losing record before Russell got there. So he wanted some credit when they started winning. This is his last chance of the job. Pete wanted some credit. young defensive players, Richard Sherman, other players. A lot of them were lower round draft picks who made no money during the leads in a boom years. And they want to make sure they get paid too. Don't blame them.

And Russell Wilson had been replaced in college as a starting quarterback. Overlooked, drafted in the third round. He wanted credit too. All of them have agents. Coaches have agents, players have agents. All wanted a piece of the financial pie and the credit pie. Credit, credit, credit. the disease of me. It's not a criticism. It's a reality with men, especially willful men,

aspirational men, athletic men, political men, corporate men. All eventually did get their money, but there was no clear hierarchy. So why did the Patriots in New England, the Spurs in San Antonio, and Golden State? Why do those last 10, 20 years? Warriors is still going? Because you have a clear hierarchy. Brady, Duncan, Steph, the man, and everybody knows it. I keep my ego in check. I take a pay cut. You sure as hell are. When they win, those guys get a majority of the credit. Then the really good players get some rotational players less. But there's a hierarchy to it. But when the things blow up, when the fit hits the Shan on those teams, You also know who to point to.

Seattle, when they won the Super Bowl, everybody wanted a little credit, the twice-fired coach, the lower drafted defensive players who wanted to get paid, Marshawn Lynch, Russell Wilson. Everybody was grabbing for credit. But when they hit crisis and lost the second Super Bowl, nobody wanted to hear it. Right? Everybody's like, hey, want me. I'm not the man here. He's a man.

Russell's a man. Pete's the man. I'm not blaming people. What I am saying is this rant is about hierarchy. I don't want a king and a queen in our country. We don't need to be England. Hierarchy in sports, politics, and the corporate ladder is really important. It creates clarity.

It creates order. In Seattle, it was never built to be a dynasty. A twice-fired coach, an overlooked quarterback, lower-drafted defensive players. wasn't good enough early to be that. Pete had been fired twice. He hadn't proven he could win without a really good quarterback. The defensive guys went to places like Utah State and Stanford and lower round draft picks. They were great, but were we ready to anoint them Miles Garrett status, T.J. Watt status, Vaughn Miller status. We weren't. And so there is some value, huge value, to order and hierarchy. And I know a lot of young people don't want to hear it at work.

But the corporate ladder works everywhere all the time. Yes, it fails. But in times of crisis, you know who to blame and you know who to look to. And Seattle never did. It's why they went from near dynasty to done virtually overnight. So I saw this story. Matt Castle lives just down the road here. He played for the Patriots.

And he said something that is interesting as a former patriot for a while. He knows Belichick. He knows the culture. This week, Jacobi Myers, a player, a wide receiver, and not a star, although he's talented kid, came out and publicly criticized the organization. He said, I question what the plan is sometimes and how we're going to attack. And Matt Castle, the former Patriot, said, because it's been strange watching these players go out publicly. He goes, the Bill Belichick, I know, knew everything. The bill I know would address it immediately.

And yet, it's allowed now. He said, Bill Belichick has changed. And I thought about that this morning. And I thought, let's say he's got, he's got rings, legacy, and money. Of course, it changes you. Same with Greg Popovich. Popovich and Belichick, now only want to coach certain types of players, the kind they deem coachable.

Rings, legacy, and money. It changes everybody. Look at LeBron James. To say the Lakers' front office is shaky is almost a compliment. Signs an extension. You think years ago, 10 years ago, LeBron in his prime, before all the rings, the money and the legacy,

would have signed an extension with a second tier front office? Two words. Hell no. But he's got his money. He's got his rings. He's got his legacy. Look at Michael Jordan at the end. He played for the Wizards.

It's kind of embarrassing. But he had all three. Brett Farve played for the Jets. He had all three. Belichick has changed. Of course he's changed. The culture's changed. Football's changed.

But more than anything, Bill's changed. You lower your standards a little. You loosen up a little. You can see the end coming near. players now publicly criticize the Patriots offense. Question it. Crickets. Years ago,

Gronk stepped in front of a microphone after a game and was asked about a celebration. And one of the most outspoken, fun-loving players in league history, look at how nervous he was talking about it with the old bill. That was not planned or anything. he we got yelled at we're not allowed to talk about celebrations

that's what we got told but I kind of want to talk about it but I kind of don't because I'll get in trouble so I don't know what to do Crohn's hysterical the new Belichick defensive coordinator

you go ahead and call plays young wide receiver really unproven go ahead criticize us Legacy rings money. Of course, Belichick's changed. Great stuff today. Peter King, 50 minutes from now, Greg Kosell. Always fun.

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So there are about 15 human beings on the face of the earth. And it may be less than that, but I think that's about the number, 14, 15, who play quarterback at a B plus to A level. That is it. It's probably closer to 12 or 13. But simplify it, the league has got 32 teams, let's say half. and the other half would take a phone call tomorrow to find the right quarterback. Most of these rookie quarterbacks a couple years ago, they're not going to work.

Trevor Lawrence is going to work. Everybody else to me, cross your fingers. And that's why I give guys like Jimmy Garoppolo credit. Literally last year, from week 10 on, he was, yeah, the highest pass rating the league. And nobody wants to give him credit. You think some kid that played at North Dakota State, who's raw, very few starts, even at college, is going to walk in and be better than that. Jimmy Garoppolo. You're out of your mind.

Out of your mind if you're a Niner fan. But the Niners, according to a story this morning, thought Garoppolo was going to be traded to the Washington commanders, and instead they went and got another quarterback I like Carson Wentz. Don't love but like. I don't love Garoppolo, I like him. I don't love Kirk Cousins,

I like him. But it's interesting. We always judge people by where they go and what they do. But we tend to forget something that's equally important when looking at legacies. What happens to the place they leave? What happens when they're not there? So let's take Garoppolo, Wentz, and Cousins. I mean, we know Brady leaves New England's not as good. He's the

goat. That's obvious. Kyle Shanahan is an excellent coach with Jimmy Garapolo, 35 and 16. Without him, 9 and 29. Look at the Niners. This is for TV audience. Look at the numbers of the offense without him. It is abysmal. What happens when Jimmy's not available? Kyle Shanahan can't win games. Colts with Wince. With Carson Wince, top 10 in scoring in the NFL last year. Winning record. Without Carson Wins, the Colts now have the lowest scoring average in the NFL cannot move the chains. Kirk Cousins. Washington's offense, when he was a starter, was number six passing offense in the NFL. Since he has left, the passing offense, multiple quarterbacks, is 31st.

Funny. Niners, Colts, Washington. Go ahead, criticize these guys. 14, 15 guys in the world that can play quarterback at a B-plus to an A level. Kirk Cousins, B-plus. He shrinks in big games. That's why he's not an A. Carson Wentz, B-plus, can be a.

reckless. That's why he's not an A. Garoppolo. Doesn't have a big arm down field. It's why he's a B plus. He's not an A. Nobody disputes their weaknesses, but few give them any credit. Don't just look at the numbers they put up. For the record, Wence last year, 27 touchdown, seven picks, top 10 in scoring, got all the blame in Indy. How are they without him? So whenever I see these, I can't believe the coach is calling this, and I can't believe the coach. You do get. Wentz, Garoppolo, and Cousins, there's 15 guys, and I'm talking max in the world, that can play this position, B plus and up. You can keep fighting it.

Niners are better today with Garoppolo. Colts are worse today without Wins. And Minnesota beat Green Bay and repeatedly does against Aaron Rogers because of Kirk Cousins. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, lots happening in the sports world to get to today, Colin.

We'll start with Justin Herbert and his fractured rib cartilage. Suffered last Thursday against the Chiefs. Limited in practice, a lot of Chase Daniel with the ones. You know, if you're a Chargers fan, it's not great news. But Herbert, you know, he's had an extra few days of rest since they played on Thursday. Herbert is considered day-to-day heading into the game against the Jags on Sunday. Alan, what do you think? Should they put Herbert out there against the Jags? You know, Jacksonville has the number one pick, Trayvon Walker, Josh Allen, coming off the edger?

Denver's struggling, Raiders O and 2, I would sit him. I mean, my takeaway is it'd be different if the Denver was 2-0, the Chiefs were 2-0, and you're sitting around here thinking, let's just get him 25 snaps, 30 snaps, take a lead and cross our fingers. But you got a little bit of a break that Denver's scuffing big time, and there's no guarantee they beat the Niners. I mean, I kind of think San Francisco wins that game this weekend, potentially. We'll see. We'll talk about that one more. So I guess my point being, I probably, it's a long season, one and two.

There's no guarantee you lose with Chase Daniel, but one and two, even in that division, it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, Chase Daniel, veteran comes in, knows what to do, makes the easy passes. You've got a heavy dose to loss. It's only Thursday morning, so the report you're reading happened Wednesday afternoon. Yeah, let's see how he has a practice today. Yeah, I mean, we've got four more days for a young body that heals quickly. Speaking of today, the dolphins, they got a huge game against the Bills. You know, Miami 2-0, Colin, one of the better stories of the young season,

Tua Tung of Iloa believes they're ready for the challenge of mighty Buffalo. You know, everyone knows that they're a really good team. They're tough defensively. They're explosive offensively. So I wouldn't say that we have a measuring stick for how good that these guys are. Because you look at it, that they're opening game. They beat the Super Bowl chance. of last year. And they didn't just beat them. You know, they, I mean, it was, it was by a lot.

And the next team they played, really good team, they beat them by a lot. So for us, we're just looking at playing the way we play and playing the way we've played for the past two weeks. And we'll go out there. They'll get our best and we'll get theirs. If Buffalo is healthy, I think they win convincing. They're not healthy. The practice report today, they're starting safeties, Poyer and Hyde, who are great, among the best duo in the league. Both out of practice again today, didn't practice Wednesday. Short week for Buffalo, they're missing a defensive tackle.

The kid Phillips, who was in Miami, Miami didn't want to pay him. He lands in Buffalo and he hates Miami badly. He's hurt too. So there is a bit of a banged-up Buffalo defense here. And it's tough not to think to Waddle, Hill. They get loose. I think this is going to be a fun game, Colin. I don't know if I bet Buffalo with a six-point square.

Yeah, it's a hell. issue. I think the bill's safeties are the best in the NFL. So if they don't play, it's a total difference. I will say, not to be a body language expert, but Tua looks so much more comfortable this year, doesn't he? He's just chilling. He's got the facial hair, t-shirt. He looks relaxed. If you remember last year, he was tight and nervous, man. There's a lot of pressure. Well, this is, I feel Justin Fields this year looks a little tight at the podium. And my takeaway is they drafted a corner of safety, defensive coach. They put the weight of the world on Justin Field's shoulders.

So it's, it's, I, it's hard, man. This is, this is a hard position when you're, when you're really good, Garoppolo, you get nothing but heat. And Garoppolo's been to a Super Bowl. So if you're young and you got Brian Flores and you don't get along, the O line's bad, you're getting yanked out of games, Deshawn Watson rumors. And I don't think too is great, but I think he's a really good kid. I think he's got a little bit of DAC.

The leadership stuff at the podium is absolutely A-plus. us. This stuff is hard, man. And the shelf life for these quarterbacks is not long. Very quick. All right, Colin. Final story is a tough one. Okay? The Boston Celtics head coach, M.A. Udocha. I hope I didn't butcher that too badly. He is facing major disciplinary action from the team

due to a consensual intimate relationship with a woman on the Celtic staff. The relationship was considered a violation of the organization's guidelines. Internal discussions have reportedly included the possibility of suspending him for the entire season. The Boston Globe is saying it's going to be a full year. According to Chris Mannix, who we both know, Udoka is considering resigning. This is an extremely ugly story in Boston. They just went to the finals.

Also, he had the same players as everybody else did. He was such a component, a key component of this. I mean, he basically demanded, didn't ask, demanded, they played a certain level defensively, and they did. and it was a hard pull because they were awful. And so about the All-Star break. So, by the way, this roster's been mostly the same for the last several years now that Kyrie's gone. And it's like he was such a key component to it.

I mean, I'm not saying Steve Kerr isn't valuable and Eric Spolstra, but this felt like very much a kind of a coaching situation where here's a new way to do it. We're going to change some things. You have to buy in. They didn't initially. and then when they did, they started blowing out good teams on the road. Early on, you're right, the players were pushing back. He's criticized us to the media. He's a very strong personality here.

Sometimes you need that. You need to push these guys, and Brown and Tatum were pushing back initially. Once they bought in, Colin, like you said, they were the best team in the league for like three straight months. They were up to one on the Warriors. If not for Curry in game four, remember he went bonkers with like 40 points. You know, Celtics could be champions now. and I don't really know where to go with this story because there's still a lot to come out, but it is kind of.

I don't think of the Celtics this morning the same. Yeah, the guy they're saying is going to be the fill in as Joe Missoula. You probably never heard of him. Played hoops at West Virginia was a really good point guard. But again, the drop-off from a great coach, potentially great coach, to a guy named Joe Mazula. That's a significant one. Yeah, I don't think of the Celtics as the same. Milwaukee added what, Joe Ingalls, Chris Middleton's healthy.

they got the culture of the staff and Janice. Keep an eye on the Sixers. They got a couple dudes this offseason. I don't really trust their coach. But it's going to be tough for boss to get back to the finals without him. Yeah, J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Herd-Ly. So New England faces Baltimore this week, and Belichick was talking about, you know, the Belichick sound is always kind of funny, talking about Lamar and how great he is. We can play the Belichick sound. It is a classic bill, mumbling. You can barely hear it, but he talks about Lamar Jackson.

It's the type of player that's a MVP type of candidate. So I think he's more than answered him. But if we see what his contract is, that'll answer him. Listen, I think I hear this criticism with Lamar Jackson all the time. Can he win big? I mean, I'll win games, but can he win big? And let me ask you, who? do you trust in the NFL at quarterback to win Super Bowls consistently?

I think there's two, Mahomes and Brady, and one's retiring soon. Josh Allen, Josh Allen with a great defense, six playoff games is 500, 3 and 3. Hey, Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl and was the best passer in the league. Aaron's got one. There is no proof that Josh Allen can report. competitively get to a Super Bowl. Forget winning them. We all know that Mal Holmes can.

And we've all seen Brady do it. That's it. Repetatively, every year you feel they could get there. What about Aaron Rogers? Folks. His last 11 playoff games, he's under 500. Many of them at home, most is a favorite. He can't even win more than he can lose. Justin Herbert Lovin, never made the playoffs.

Dak fan boys. He's one and three and four playoff games. It's Mahomes and Brady. That is it. I love Josh Allen. There's no proof he can repetitively get to the Super Bowl. Through Mahomes? There's no proof of that at all.

It's three and three and six playoff games. So when I hear the criticism of, well, can he win big? My theory on Lamar is he can win and he does a lot. I'm good with that because there's about 12 guys in the NFL that play quarterback. And I like Derek Carr, but he doesn't win a lot. Lamar wins a lot. And I think what's happening in football, and I have friends who I argue about Lamar

with, and people I respect, I argue about what's happened to the NFL quarterback position is it aesthetically, optically. It just looks different. It's so unique now. And I'll give you an example. I'm going to take most of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league. you can label each one differently. Like Tom Brady, it's old Tom Brady.

Experience. When you think of Brady, his greatest asset is, dude, there's nothing you can throw at him. Now, Patrick Mahomes, mechanically is dicey. It's just raw talent. Dad was a baseball player in the bigs. That guy's talent is just arm angles. That's the mega talent. That's the Lway.

Elway played baseball. Elway got drafted by the Yankees. Elway was a Super Bowl quarterback. Elway was talented. Josh Allen. He's a giant. He's six, six, and jumps over people. We get a giant about once a decade.

Big Ben, Josh Allen, he's just bigger. It's so funny to watch him. He's so much bigger than the guys trying to tackle him are. Lamar Jackson. It's like a fastest player in the history of the position. You can argue about him, but his speed is completely unique in the history of the sport of that position. Matthew Stafford. Risk taker. Dude led the NFL and picks won the Super Bowl.

You saw it this past weekend. He is the ultimate risk taker. He does not care about interceptions. Most reckless quarterbacks have a ceiling. He didn't. Aaron Rogers. Moody, but unbelievably precise. He throws no interceptions. I mean, like, almost none. He's the moodiest guy and the most precise quarterback. Like all time, all the greats, almost all of the all-time greats who have retired through picks. Not Aaron. Kyler Murray.

I showed my wife film of Kyler Murray's touchdown run last night. She goes, look how tiny he is. And I'm like, yeah, the guy's chasing him are six, five and a half, three-twenty. He's tiny, historically, tiny. Justin Herbert. mechanically perfect should be the logo literally as a golfer every swing with every club is the same he was criticized in college because he was too mechanical now in the NFL he's got the best mechanics he never goes off the rails and then Joe Burrow gunslinger he is old school he has three

pick games he doesn't care he's going to throw it downfield he doesn't care he is the ultimate even stafford will drop stuff underneath joe's joe is far if he's just letting her rip so think about that that's nine 10 of our best all of them totally unique small big talented reckless moody precise gunslinger experienced i think we struggle wrapping our brains around his difference well you cannot win running from the pocket i don't I don't know. I watched Jalen Hertz the other night. He's winning a lot too. I think we just have to come to terms with just a lot of different ways to do it now. I mean, you ultimately have to throw from the pocket. I don't know. I watched Lamar. He's certainly good enough. He's certainly good enough from the pocket. A couple weeks ago, he had three touchdown passes all over 15 yards was the only quarterback in the league that did that. So don't tell me he can't throw the deep ball. I think he throws it really pretty deep ball. I think he's pretty good in the red zone. But all these quarterbacks now, 20 years ago, if I would have taken the top nine quarterbacks, the list would have mostly been old or young pocket quarterbacks.

Wouldn't have had a tiny, wouldn't have had many fast. It'd have been like old pocket guy, young pocket guy. Football's changed. We've got to come to terms with it. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. He's by Carmen. I'm Dan Byard. We have a brand new fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex. twice a week every Tuesday and Friday,

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A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career

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He's covered the NFL for almost 40 years. NBCSports.com Peter King, Football Morning in America. Listen, it's, you know, Miami's a funny franchise. Like a lot of franchises, Detroit or Cleveland for years, they're just bad. Miami's always faced, you know, they've always given Belichick and Brady some problems down there. They've always kind of hung around. There's been some chaos organizationally upstairs, but I never thought they were pathetic. Free agents like to play there.

It's a great, you know, it's like there's a vibe to it. They've always had good players. But this is fun. This team is really interesting. Are you surprised a little that McDaniel and Tua have clicked so quickly? Look, when McDaniel took over that job, Colin, the one thing he was determined to do is to get every bit of talent out of Tua Tonga Voloa. And so the early reviews are fantastic. And one of the reasons is he looks at Tua and he says, I don't buy the fact that he can't throw the ball deep.

maybe he can't throw the ball deep and as accurately as we would want him to, but we're going to fix that. We're going to work on that. So, you know, he, Mike McDaniel does not mind a Dan Fouts game plan, a Dan Marino game plan. He doesn't mind that because he wants his quarterback to have total buy-in. he wants his deep receivers to have total buy-in. And so that's what they have right now. Look, the honeymoon is on. But when he took this job, he was determined from the first Zoom call he had with Tua,

that he was going to make everything out of Tua that he possibly could. Yeah. Well, that offense, Jimmy Garoppolo has succeeded in it. That offense, he runs accuracy and distribution. quickly is the key to it. Doug Peterson, Trevor Lawrence, when Doug Peterson was on the beach for a couple years, I remember saying he should take the USC job. He, I think he can coach. He's a little different, a little looser. But a he and the Trevor Lawrence thing, Peter, I'll ask, again, we think it's going to work. I've watched two games. I thought they were better than Washington.

I thought they gave that game away. Are you surprised it's been this good this fast? No, because I think last year was such a debacle that you couldn't draw any conclusions whatsoever on Trevor Lawrence. This year, one of the things, look, one of the reasons why Doug Peterson had so much success early with Carson Wentz is because he looked at Carson Wentz, the player, and he said, I'm going to do stuff that is going to, to be perfect for Carson Wentz. He accentuated his mobility and he didn't stop him from running. He wanted him to be a pocket guy, but he didn't stop him from running. And I think he's going to do the exact same thing with Trevor Lawrence. I talked to Lawrence after the game on Sunday, and one of the things he told me is I love the fact that Doug Peterson is like one of us. and he wants to do the stuff that we're really good at.

Yeah. And so to me, they don't have a great wide receiver group. Everybody knows that, but they're good enough at the receiver position and throwing out of the backfield to Travis Etienne and throwing short to the tight ends. They're good enough for now so that, okay, you got Christian Kirk. Let's do something with Christian. Kirk. Let's maximize him. That's what Doug Peterson has done early on.

Hey, Kyle Shanahan and Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, there's those people in your life that they may be flawed, but you come to terms with, you're better when they're around, and Jimmy Garoppolo, I said this the other day on the show, Kyle's offense doesn't need a Kobe Bryant. It needs a quarterback a Chris Paul, who can get you 28, but really, gets the ball to the right people every time down the floor. And this team has a bunch of guys great after the catch. Tiddle, Debo.

These guys are unbelievable. And I know we all criticize Jimmy Garoppolo, arm ceiling, but I'm like, are we sure he's not kind of exactly what works for this offense? Yeah, and you're forgetting one guy, too. I think Brandon Ayuk is really going to have a good year for the 49ers. and he and he and he and Jimmy Garapolo have got an excellent relationship. They've worked together very well. Look, Colin, there's one thing that you're never going to hear anybody in San Francisco say.

But, you know, the fact that their quarterback got hurt five quarters into this season, there's something about that that is not as far as just for the win-loss record, is not the worst thing for them right now because look at this schedule. Two straight primetime games with a veteran quarterback. At Denver, you're not going to be able to hear anything on Sunday night, then home to the arch rival Rams where they have a hard, you know, the Rams have a very hard time playing the 49ers. I, you know, to me, this is just me.

Garapolo gives them a better chance to come out of their two and oh with those two games than Trey Lance did. And then they go and they play Atlanta, Carolina, back to back weeks, back east. So, Colin, as much as this is not a PC thing to say, you know, the 49ers probably have a better chance to win these next two very big games for them with Garoppolo playing. And that's one of the reasons why you don't hear the kind of all his lost stuff coming out of Santa Clara right now. You know, I said this the other day with Patrick Mahomes, because he's so absolutely brilliant and talented, that we overlook his intelligence, his coachability, that we're so in awe of his jaw-dropping talent.

We just stare at it. And we just forget that he's really good at the process and coaching. And we know he's good because mechanically, he kind of goes off the rails every year for about a month. and Andy gets him right back in. So he's obviously not stubborn. There's not a lot of rigidity with his personality. He wants to be coached hard. And I'm watching this new Kansas City offense.

And I'm like, this to me shows you a kid that wants to be great. He's not stuck in a tunnel of me. Because honestly, I watch this offense now. I don't know. They're different. But this is going to be hard to defend in my. opinion, your thoughts on what you're seeing? You know, you said it, and that's what I saw when I went to training camp. You know, Mahomes wears this thing on his wrist called a whoop device, and it measures

all sorts of physical stuff with an athlete, with anybody, anybody could wear it. But part of what it measures is sleep, quality of sleep, amount of sleep, and all that, because I think it believes, and Mahomes believes that sleep is vitally important. And he wasn't getting nearly enough sleep in training camp this year. And the reason is he's trying to get Juju Smith-Schuster, Marquez Valdis Scantling, Skymore, Justin Watson. He's trying to get all these guys up to speed post-Tiree Kill. So what's happened?

Colin, I had this stat in my column this week. For everybody who said, oh, my God, you're going to miss Tyree Kill and it's going to be awful. last year, 11.0 yards per catch by the Kansas City Receiver Group. This year, 11.0 yards per catch. Yes, have they lost this one of the best deep strike guys in all of football without any question? Then why is it that Patrick Mahomes is completing 73%, got the best passer rating in football, and he's got the best touchdown to interception ratio in football, seven to nothing.

The reason is Patrick Mahomes spent all of training camp getting comfortable with a brand new receiver group. Yeah. What's the name of your dog behind you? It's gorgeous. What is that? Chuck. Hi, Chuck.

He's out the other side. Chuck. Hey, Chuck. Colin says hi. Get over here, Chuck. Hold on. Watch. That is a good looking dog, by the way.

I look at Harry Cubs. What are you doing? Hold on. He's a little. scared. He's camera shy, Peter. He doesn't like being on TV. Well, hi, Chuck. Peter, it's great seeing you. NBCSports.com. Football morning in America. Good to seeing you. All the best, Colin, take care. All right. By the way, you know, Brady's Rodgers. Is this the last time we see him? It's one of the last two times, most, not seeing him three. Championship this year? I don't think

Green Bay gets there. I don't. Eagles, right? Now Vikings. I'm sorry. I'll say what you want, but I don't, I don't think in 2022. I think if it's 1992 with this Packer offense, you can get to a championship. I feel like we said that a lot. Are we ever going to see Peyton versus Brady again? We kept seeing him over and over and over. Because there's greatness. I think this whole Brady

thing, you know, with his family, obviously, is, you know, he looks around right now and he's like, Philadelphia, that's my challenge? That kid quarterback? Like, I get Brady looking and going, the Rams are kind of wobbling. Packers don't have any weapons.

Dallas is a mess. I mean, I'm better than Garoppolo. Like, you get, in his mind, it'd be really easy if Tom was hurt or average. When you watch him in these games, he's not even playing well. They're 2 and 0. Like, their O lines are a mess. The receivers are all banged up. He's 2 and O.

What happens when they're healthy in an NFC, which is not nearly as good as it was five years ago? I would counter that they played a bad Dallas team, and then they played a Saints team that it was 3-3 in the fourth quarter. Okay, but tell me all the big tough ones coming up in that conference. I think the Packers is a tough one this weekend. I don't know why. I'm on the Packers here in this one. I think we're going head to head, yeah. You like

the Packers? There were so many injuries to the Bucks' offensive line, to the Bucs receivers. He's going to be thrown to Brashad Perryman and Cole Beasley, I think Cole Beasley this weekend. It's going to be a difficult road for the Bucks. All right. Greg Cosell, top of next hour.

This is, last week I was four and one of the blazing five. Back-to-back winning weeks. This is a weird week. The game I can't figure out is San Francisco at Denver. It feels like to me, even though it's week three, Denver is not only going to win, it's got to look right. If you go into a, if you lose and you have another one of these ridiculous situational snafus, you could lose guys in the locker room. They could snowball. No, I mean, all these players have agents.

there could be, you know, Russell Wilson's agents sitting there thinking, you're getting hit for this. This guy's a clown. So Denver's got a win. They also, if they lost but looked well coached, if they looked like a disorganized tire fire again, that you could start losing people in this league really fast. Hour two.

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embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at a Podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 is big to me

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Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast,

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