The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Zach Wilson Is Not The Guy

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

In this hour of The Herd, Colin closes the book on New York Jet quarterback Zach Wilson's time in the Big Apple after watching his dismal Thursday night performance against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Also, the pressure of winning the Eagles-Cowboys game falls solely on one person, according to Colin. Last, Albert Breer—senior NFL reporter for TheMMQB.com—stops by to discuss the offensive struggles of the New England Patriots and the future of legendary head coach Bill Belichick, a potential replacement of Las Vegas Raider quarterback Derek Carr, and who in the Dallas organization might get the most heat if the Cowboys lose at home to the Philadelphia Eagles without quarterback Jalen Hurts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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crucial NFL weekend. It's the hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening or watching, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. One hour from now, my blazing five picks, off a undefeated week. Four wins, no losses, and a push. Got some momentum.

Love my picks. It's a very difficult night last night. for my partner, Jason McIntyre, who is a clinical. He is a Jets fan beyond any reasonable measure. So how are you feeling this morning? Feel great. Christmas weekend is here. Very excited.

A lot of football over the weekend. Putting last night behind me, Colin. Putting it behind me, we move on. We're fans, but, you know, we got a life to live and Christmas to enjoy. Yeah, well put. Well, I have to talk about it. So Zach Wilson, year one, completed 55, percent of his throws. That was last of all the quarterbacks who qualified. And Zach Wilson in

year two has completed 54 percent. That is last among all the quarterbacks who would qualify. Zach Wilson is not a franchise quarterback. He's not a starter in this league. He could be a backup. I have my doubts. Generally backups are older, mature guys, very good in the room, teachers, mentors. You know, Colt McCoy's dad was a coach. Colt McCoy can come in and win the occasional game. Good in the room, good with film, good with young quarterbacks. That's not really Zach's thing. He's the second most popular quarterback on the team, and yet he's the starter.

The good news is, and there is good news. The roster is really good, some good young receivers. It was a standalone game. Everybody saw it. Nobody can deny it. and you had a star young quarterback as a comp next to him, playing on the road against the better defense. And he looked really, really, really good

like a starting franchise quarterback would. Zach Wilson had seven drives, 78 yards. A former CFL backup quarterback, Chris Treveller, had one drive for 83. The backup was noticeably bigger, noticeably stronger, more mobile, more confident, more athletic and more successful. It's no longer a debate.

Go big or go bigger. Just ask yourself. Mike White, 27 years old, has to play Patrick Mahomes, 27 years old, Super Bowl MVP. Does it feel like a fair fight? Josh Allen twice a year, Mike White. Is that the answer? Tua, Mike McDaniel, Tyreek Hill, Jalen, Jalen, Jailen, Jailen Waddle versus Mike White.

Is that the answer? Or you could draft one. Another rookie quarterback against Bill Belichick, who you know owns rookie quarterbacks and will eventually get a real offensive coordinator. Is that the answer? It's New York. Go big. You know, these teams that try to save money or convince themselves, they didn't get it wrong,

you're just, it's like a shovel, you're just, you continue to dig. look around, look at your division, Josh Allen, Belichick. The answer isn't another young quarterback. This roster is actually pretty good. It's not like the Giants, a generic roster and a generic stadium. The Jets have an elite corner, and they're not paying him anything. Some really nice, good young receivers. And they're not paying them anything.

They're not tied to an ugly quarterback contract. They need a left tackle and a veteran quarterback. Jimmy Garoppolo, for the record, played in this system. The coach from San Francisco, the coordinator for the Jets, he knows the system, been banged up a little, but it was an ankle injury, not shoulder, not throwing arm. Derek Carr, again, Derek Carr, in utter chaos, in a tough division, willed the Raiders to the playoffs last year.

But the good news is the roster is fine. You're not tied to any bad contracts, but Zach Wilson's not it. And there's total clarity today. Total absolute clarity. That's what's great. You get these games buried in the one o'clock window and somebody sees stats. Nope, we all saw it. Cold, windy, just added elements.

He looks small. He looks lost. It's okay. About half the guys are you taking the first round. just do not work. Don't convince yourself it does. We all saw it. We know what's bad. Here's the head coach after. We haven't seen the last of them, but right now he just got to focus on finding ways to get better. We've got to find ways to help him. We've got to find ways to protect better. We've got to find ways to run better. We've got to find better ways to call the game better.

We've got to do a lot. It's not just, it's not just him. It's a collective hole. We've all got to find ways to get better. No, it's mostly him. And that's okay. It's mostly him. So the bigger game tomorrow is the Cowboys, and they're taking on the Eagles. But the Eagles are now traveling a little beat up, and they're going to use a backup quarterback, Gardner Minchu, who's not terrible, kind of fun to watch. Good backup. Rob Ninkovich, former NFL player, was on the other network. ESPN was talking about the pressure is now absolutely, no, not on DAC. The pressure's on Mike McCarthy, he said. And this is what we discussed yesterday. Dak goes 13 and 3 got all the credit. Zieg got suspended for six games. His passer rating

plummeted. It wasn't a reality check on DAC. It was criticism that Zeeke wasn't mature. Then Jason Garrett's fault. Then the contract negotiation of fault. Now, Jerry Jones sometimes it's his fault. Now it's Mike McCarthy's fault. This is what I talked about yesterday. the articles are already being written if Mike McCarthy does not win folks Mike McCarthy has a Super Bowl and went four and one with Cooper Rush Mike McCarthy's fine he's not Belichick he's not John Harbaugh he's not Andy Reid nobody's saying he is he's not Kyle Shanahan or McVey there's five or six guys top of the food chain he's not but he's in the mix with the other 15 guys who have jobs and have steady employment what's interesting, though, about DAC is his predecessor, Tony Romo. I remember defending Romo for years. He got crushed. And it's interesting what we do with quarterbacks. Peyton Manning for over a decade, his label was, Peyton Manning, can't win the big game. Before that, I grew up with John Elway, who was crucified for getting blown out in Super Bowls. Not a bad place to get blown out.

Aaron Rogers gets a lot of heat for not winning the big game. Josh Allen now starting to hear it. When are you going to get to the big one? And Tony Romo, the predecessor to DAC took a lot of heat. If you go look at their regular season numbers and DAC has had on average a significantly better offensive line, not necessarily close. For our radio audience, they're the same quarterback. Dak slightly better.

You go to the playoffs, Romo's better. You go to the fourth quarter, which really matters for quarterbacks, and Tony Romo is absolutely better than Dak. But that's what's interesting. Tony was better in the playoffs. Tony is better in the fourth quarter. Yet Tony Romo got crucified. So you say to yourself, well, I mean,

Dak is the underdog story, fourth round. Tony Romo was undrafted. Tony Romo didn't get paid for years and years in this league. Tony Romo had bad offensive lines. Tony Romo had Jason Garrett, who took all the heat for DAC. It's not that I don't like Dak. I do. He's a good B-plus quarterback.

He's Kurt Cousins with a better brand. But it is remarkable how we always blame the quarterback for years. Even great ones, Elway forever, and Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers. Matt Stafford, when he came to the Rams, a lot of people are like, he can't win the big game. He won the Super Bowl first year. Tony Romo, small school guy, got clobbered. Dak, it's not about Mike McCarthy this weekend. Got a Super Bowl, four and one with Cooper Rush, went 13 and 3 with Fav, got a ring with Aaron Rogers,

winning record with a backup. Mike McCarthy has led DAC to 100 plus passer rating since they've been together. This is on DAC. home, Eagles beat up, Gardner Minshue. Dax got to win this game. Dax got to win this game. If Joe Burrow can win without his top running back and Jamar Chase, go on the road and win, got to win this game.

Everything lines up for you. It's not on Mike McCarthy this weekend. All right. Blazing five top of next hour on a little bit of a heater. Trevor Lawrence, impressive last night. Aaron Rogers doing more talking about his office. season. It's fascinating. Belichick. I've got a strong take on the Patriots, which I think is contrarian take, but I really feel

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such as the biology of tontons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I didn't think it was the easiest environment for, anybody to quarterback last night, but considering he faced a better defense, a defensive head coach on the road, Trevor Lawrence is pretty good. Seven for 16 on third down, 370 yards, excellent 20 for 31, seven yards a pass, no penalties. There's only five NFL quarterbacks I would not pick up

the phone for. I have them. I'm not picking up the phone. Don't bother calling me. Mahomes, Alan, Burrow, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence. That's it. Everybody else, including Aaron Rogers, Brady, Stafford, I'd take a call. High school, college, and pro. I saw Trevor Lawrence playing high school at a tournament in San Diego. Kid picks it up very quickly. There was a moment at the Super Bowl this past year when I met Trevor Lawrence. It was at a dinner party thing event. And he's only 23 years old. I was completely struck by his presence and his maturity and his confidence. It looked like, it felt like, it sounded like I was talking to somebody in their mid-30s. Last night was a perfect example of why he is going to be great. He fumbled on the first drive, right? Deep own territory,

really ugly. Jets get it. Kick a field goal. He's trailing bad start. They just beat the Cowboys. He's on the road. He just fumbled. You're not focused. A young team in New York on prime time. Classic letdown spot. Classic implosion spot. He takes a deep breath, gets the following kickoff, drives 60-some yards, gets a field goal. They force a punt, gets the next drive, 95-96 yards touchdown. Game over. Thanks for flying United. That was the game. I preach this with young quarterbacks all the time. Keep your emotion mostly to yourself. At the podium, keep your thoughts mostly to yourself. Bland is best.

Yeah, I know Brady, when he finally got to Tampa after all those trophies, showed more emotion, he earned it. But most of the young talented quarterbacks that unravel, Baker Mayfield's one of them. They can't control themselves. They can't control themselves at a podium. There's too much emotion.

There's too much cowboy. This kid's a grown-up. And if you look at Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, the one thing they all have in common. They've got some emotional discipline. They can be sometimes kind of bland in terms of podium. It can be kind of cliched.

Exactly. Last night was the classic letdown spot. Just beat the Cowboys, young team, people talking playoffs. Go to the bright lights, Amazon. Here we go. Fumble first possession. Nope. Head down.

Keep it bland. Execute, composure, discipline. Not cool words in 2022. too, I know. Here's Doug Peterson after. For the most part, I thought he did a nice job of controlling and managing what we asked him to do. You know, and the weather was obviously a challenge with the wind and the rain. But, you know, I thought he did a – played tough again, played physical. And it was really, really good to see out of our quarterback.

I'm happy for Doug Peterson. When he was on the beach for a year, I implored USC to take a look at NFL guys. we thought he would be a really good fit with Trevor Lawrence. Every quarterback he works with, he does a really good job to simplify the complicated. Nick Foles, we saw it with Carson Wentz, before he got hurt. We are now seeing it with Trevor Lawrence. Part of the genius of Andy Reed, he takes the complex, he makes it simple. Doug Peterson and Andy Reed disciple has done the exact same.

Good news for Jacksonville. they have some holes, not at quarterback. The Jets don't have a lot of holes, but a big one at quarterback. I'd rather be the Jags this morning. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. No jet screen for me today.

Got to wear a fun, exciting shirt. I'm not going to get down about the loss. I just said, I had a general manager text me. I was in a little text thing last night. He said, man, I feel bad for the Jets. finding the right coach and finding the right quarterback in this league is really hard. If you're a GM and do it for 30 years and can get one star quarterback and one star coach, that is better than average.

And just remember, this coach and GM signed off on Zach Wilson at the draft. I know. Justin Fields is on the board. Everybody makes mistakes. It happens. I mean, I rarely make them. You make occasionally mistakes. Let's go here with Tom Brady and the Bucks.

Frustrating season all around, but they still lead the division. at 6 and 8. Despite the ups and downs, Bruce Ariens is keeping things positive and remaining confident in the team. Here's what he had to say. This is going to be one of those seasons where fans say, I hate you, I hate you. Oh my God, I love you, I love you. Todd Bulls, we'll win the division. Whatever happens after that, I hope we get rings. Who cares if our record is 8 and 9, regardless of whether you're 17 and 10, 17, nothing, or 4 and 13, you win the division, or you get to have a division banner and then you try for your goal next year to get to the Super Bowl. Colin?

It's been since the preseason for the record. It's been choppy. The O line fell apart in the preseason. So, I mean, this has been a year where it doesn't feel buttoned up to me, but it just felt off in August. Well, the big thing was what? Ariens is gone. Todd Bowles is in control. I mean, I don't mean to hammer Bowles, but that's the biggest change on this team.

There were some offensive line issues, right? and I just looked at the injury report, Colin, during the commercial break. You know, they're going Arizona. They're big favorites. They should cruise over a beat-up Arizona team that's done for the season. Vita Vevae, Donovan Smith on the offensive line. They're hurting, having practiced.

Antoine Winfield in the secondary, Jamel Dean, Mike Evans, all on the injury report. Like, what's going on with this team, man? I don't know what to make a tamp out all this season. It is interesting when you are a go-either-way player and you really love the locker room and you love the momentum, do you fight your way to play? Or if you're a go-either-way guy and you're just not into it,

do you not fight your way to play? I'm not saying anybody's dogging it, but I'm saying is a lot of these injuries are game-time decisions, and this whole year has felt like a downer for this team, a lot of chaos. The weird thing is I keep coming back to this, Colin. They're going to host a playoff game if they win the division. And it might be Dallas.

and knowing Tom Brady's history and McCarthy's last year playoff game and Dak Prescott, can Tampa get to the second round of the playoffs and then who knows what happens? I mean, any thoughts on Tampa in a playoff run? One and done. Definitely one and done.

Even at home. You know, home field advantage in the playoffs. Tennessee by home lost, Green Bay by home lost. I think Tampa lost at home last year to Stafford and the Rams, right? Where did Stafford make that awesome play in the fourth quarter? It was like 27. 10 or nothing. Home field in the play.

I mean, I'll be honest with you. I don't think Kansas City home in a way. I just don't think it's that big of a deal. I think Mahalms and Andy Reid, I think they travel well. Cincinnati, by the way, Buffalo. I never feel like Buffalo got outplayed by Miami at home. Josh Allen made great plays, but I didn't feel like, I know the crowds matter for the ambiance of a stadium.

But, you know, everybody's got the helmet stuff on now. I just, I don't feel like, I don't. Seattle, by the way, at home this year's lost to like Carolina. He lost Atlanta at home. At home, and that's supposed to be the loudest stadium in the league. So I don't know how much it mattered. Quick reminder, Reed and Mahomes have lost two AFC championship games at home, Cincinnati and of course Brady and Belichick.

All right, next up, Russell Wilson sat out last week's matchup with the brutal concussion. He suffered against Casey. Brett Rippin came in and did the job, got the dub. Sounds like Russ is ready to return to action. week. Here's what he had to say. I feel great. Super aware. The medical team here did a great job, you know, and we just, you know, I think that to be able to heal quickly and just to be able to get back on the field to be able to practice Wednesday and, you know, on Thursday and Friday. I've been blessed. I think a lot of 24-7 treatment, you know, pretty much, you know, just having

great people around you. And then also, too, just it's a lifestyle, you know, it's a lifestyle. You know this game is a physical game. And, you know, I didn't sign up for, you know, I said this before, but I didn't sign up for Tennessee. I signed up to play a physical game. I think you and I are in the camp of just let's reboot it, get the right coach. They do have to solve the offensive line. So they're not getting rid of Ross. I think their receivers are good, not great but good.

The tight ends have talent. The defense is unbelievable. They're a little bit like the Jets. The difference is the Jets, you can argue, have the right coach. This operation right now, I just don't think has. I think Nathaniel Hackett, I should have thought of this when it happened and I didn't. Is that between Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleur, how much impact did Nathaniel Hackett really have with that offense? Because it looks like he has an offense and no second gear.

This is what he knows. So Matt LaFleur with Mike Vrable had one offense, goes to Green Bay with Aaron Rogers, can run a different style offense because he's got a different quality quarterback. but you start looking at Lafleur and Aaron Rogers kind of do what they do. The truth is, and he reportedly interviewed well, he may just have one offense. That's it. He thought he was getting Aaron to Denver.

Somebody told me this about six months ago. He thought he was getting Aaron. So if Aaron goes to Denver, it doesn't look like this, but Russell can't run the Aaron offense. And he has no second gear. You want a glass half full Denver Broncos outlook? I do. So look at the last three weeks, Colin.

They go to Baltimore and again. game, big underdogs, they cover the spread, lose by one. Following week, they're playing Kansas City. They're down 27-0-0. They fight back. Close loss, right? Russell gets knocked out. And then last week, you know, the backup comes in and they win the game against Arizona.

I know Arizona stinks, but that's three straight kind of decent performances, three covers, if you're from a gambling perspective. Maybe they finish strong here and there's some optimism. I don't think Hackett comes back, but they obviously have a defense, like you said, like Sertan and that defense is pretty good. You can absolutely trade one or two defensive pieces, get some draft capital back, and just rebuild the O-line. New coach O-line, because Tennessee has proven in a stronger, you know, in the AFC, they're both in the AFC. Tennessee is proven.

Run game defense, smart coach wins a lot of games, even if you're just okay at quarterback. If Russell is just now okay, they get the O line, they have that young running back. The young running back, he's out for the season, Devante Williams. Go get another running back, solve the O line. By the way, Tim Patrick's good receiver, missed the, I think he's like a two, three. Missed the whole season, Jerry Judy, Hamler, Sutton, like they've got weapons. They protect Russ. This team, I don't want to get too excited about it next year, but they got something.

And finally, speaking of Denver, the dolphins made a big splash at the deadline. Remember, they picked up Bradley Chubb from Denver. In six games with Miami Chubb, 2.5 sacks, 21 pressures. He knows he can do a lot more. I want to be more dominant, you know what I mean? I want to be more taking over games. And that's kind of the reason they brought me here is to do that, to help this defense take it to the next level.

And I feel like, yeah, we took it up a notch. But it's a whole, it's a whole other level we could take it to, and I want to be the catalyst for that. I am very, very pro-Miammy. Yeah, we're on opposite sides here. It's a good one. This is the hat wager. Everybody knows.

Everybody's been, I know Friday's a big show, but Coward will wear a hat backwards for the second hour. Dolphins hat. If the Packers get the victory. I don't even know. Did I sign a contract for this? You're on. It's got to happen, Coward.

Come on. I did the gritty here. You know, you got to wear a hat backwards for an hour. Come on, Aaron Jones and Aaron Rogers. You know, by the way, Aaron Rogers, big fan of your work, obviously. Yeah. You know he wants to get the victory. Not only to beat the Dolphins stay in the playoff, but just to, yeah,

stick it to me. Yeah, J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line. So, you know, there's the saying that you eat with your eyes first. All right. So you go to a nice restaurant.

They want to make it look appealing. You eat with your eyes first. So generally you watch something. Generally, you trust your eyes on things, right? Looks dangerous. Stay away. Looks overcooked. Stay away.

I think one of the issues with Zach Wilson with the Jets, it just doesn't look right. He looks small and he looks. looks lost. He can't see the blitzes coming. He doesn't see the field particularly well. Like if Justin Fields doesn't work out in Chicago, he's big. There's a lot of wow moments.

He's physical. He's fast. You can get fooled by some of these guys. James Winston, Carson Wentz, Marcus Mariota, they're big, they're mobile. There's wow moments. They run over players. They just. jump over players. They make big throws. This is hard. Again, I'm texting general manager last night,

and he's like, man, finding the right coach, there's five great ones right now in the world. Find the right quarterback. There's five great ones in the world. It's hard. To get them simultaneously, your Kansas City. You know, you're Sean Peyton Drew Brees. Like at any one time, there's two all-time coaches, quarterbacks, Bill Walsh, Montana. It's just hard. But it doesn't even look right. Even next to Mike White, his backup. Zach looks like his little brother. Next to coaches, he looks small. And it's funny, is it because he plays small?

Patrick Mahomes, I looked it up. He's 6-2 on the Chief's website. Aaron Rogers is 6-2. Deshawn Watson is 6-2. Dak is 6-2. Zach Wilson's listed at 6-2. He looks small. And maybe it's because he plays like he's completely, utterly overwhelmed.

The game is hard for him. BYU, mostly a weak schedule. His biggest year was a COVID year, the weakest of the BYU schedules. He rarely got hit. You know, I said this yesterday, is that asking a kid, like Justin Fields, Ohio State to the NFL. Well, it's a big ask, but Ohio State's a massive program with a grown-up media and high speculation. You're in big games. You're in TV games.

So you go to Chicago. big big city Chicago. It's a leap, but it's a reasonable leap emotionally. It's a reasonable leap, right? To go from a rich kid, BYU, kind of protected, small town media, I mean, really small media, to New York City, ferocious, aggressive media, defensive coach, a often chronicled, documented, viewed division. This is not the NFC South before Brady got there.

When Sean Payton left, we don't pay much attention to it. It is a big ass. Cross country, New York from Pro Bowl. Kid grew up a little bit of Johnny Mansell money, probably a different life. Not a lot of, you know, struggle some like every kid. But, you know, he's a great looking kid. And my takeaway is that's a big ask. I mean, Justin Fields to the Bears, that's an ask.

But I mean, Ohio State football feels like it's 25% pro football. It's a factory. It's a huge program. Big schedule. Michigan's on the schedule. You'll play in Alabama, Georgia, Clemson. It's a whole different ball game. You play at these like Alabama's or LSUs in Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan.

You know, you're Notre Dame. Those are TV programs. You're facing NFL rosters every weekend. His best year was in a COVID year. when the BYU schedule isn't the most daunting to begin with was a little light. And it just feels like it was too much. And it's remarkable to me, he looks so small, but yet you look at the numbers, and he's no smaller than a lot of the other guys.

But he's, it's just, you eat with your eyes. What does it look like? It just doesn't look close. He doesn't look close to working. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more about the stories about what made these people love their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We talk to coaches. We talk to players. We tell you stories. You download it. You listen to it.

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All right, blazing five of a nearly unblemished week. Top and neck, plus I have my upset of the year. I can't wait. Albert Breyer, Monday morning quarterback. You know, I was just, saying this is that, you know, nobody wants to talk about bad quarterback play, but it's one thing to have quarterback struggle. I have a theory now that over the last five or six years, I'm going to give you Thanksgiving of Year 2. These quarterbacks now, seven-on-seven camps,

they come in much more sophisticated, much more sophisticated college offenses. It's a much more seamless transition. Thanksgiving year two, I've got to see something. I almost think Zach's regressed. I just think it's just, just, Does Jimmy Garoppolo make sense to you because he knows this system? Yeah, I mean, I think that's sort of where the Jets are right now. And I think that's part of why they had to force him back into the lineup, even though the locker room might not fully believe in him. And I think some of the leadership questions that came out of his reaction to that New England lost last month,

you know, certainly creep up again. But, you know, this is really about where the Jets are at right now. And where Joe Douglas and Robert Sala are and putting that team together, it's a team that's ready to win right now, Colin. And you look like what they're going to be bringing back. next year. I mean, the two injured guys coming back in Oliver Tucker and Bruce Hall on top of Garrett Wilson and Quinn and Williams and Sauce Gardner. It's a team that's got a very functional running game. It's a team that's got a really good defense. I think the fair thing to the locker

room is to give them a quarterback they can win with. They can't take another developmental year at the most important position on the field. And so they got to get a clean read over the next three weeks on what Zach Wilson is going to be in 2023 or they got to turn to a quarterback that they know very, very well. And of course, you and I both know where all those coaches came from. They came from San Francisco. And so I think the availability of Jimmy Garoplo definitely complicates this for Zach Wilson. Yeah. And Jimmy's injury, it should be noted, was not, you know, in his throwing shoulder. It's, you know, below the knee. He would be potentially back if they got to an NFC championship. He's potentially back. Debo's back sooner. So I think Garoplo is going to have a fairly

small market, but he's not super expensive. By the way, the jets aren't paying their they're interesting young receivers. They're not paying Breeze Hall. They're not paying Sauce Gardner. So they got a little bit of money to spend. So, you know, let's talk. You know New England very well. I think they're going to play very well this weekend.

The nasty wins in Foxborough going to help out slow down Cincinnati's vertical passing game a little bit. But you are making a point to me during the break is we look at that final play. And we're like, that's embarrassing. but it wasn't the only one. Like, like it's, you tell me, I said it before the season, it was viewed maybe as a hot take. Robert Kraft is now sending messages through the media. Like, could this be it for Belichick?

It's, well, I mean, like, let's look at that play then, right? Like, in that play, wasn't an isolated incident in that game. It was a symptom of something bigger going on. And, you know, you watch and you see there's the block punt where they were all discombobulated and out of sorts. There was the goal line situation where Bill calls a timeout that negates a touchdown. There was a false start that wound up negating another touchdown. I mean, these sorts of things were happening in game.

And quite frankly, Colin, they've been happening all year. And I think that this goes back to the offensive coaching staff. And, you know, Bill has always owned football in a way where it's like you own the margins, you own the little things. That's where the pages have always been better than everybody else, right? And I think this is a situation where when you don't have the big things taken care of, it's very hard to worry about the little things if you're a player. And so I think from a big picture standpoint, when you look at this, if you're Robert Kraft,

I think you have to look at it and say, where is the direction of the offense? Where is our young quarterback going? Where are we investing our money? And right now, I think those are some questions that Bill's going to have to answer. And if Bill doesn't make a change on his own, when it comes to those offensive coaches, does Kraft deliver an ultimatum? I don't think Kraft's going to fire Bill, but if Kraft does deliver an ultimatum,

how does Bill receive that? Now, I was in Dallas in 2007, and it was Wade Phillips' first year there, and when Bill Parcells walked away before that year, everybody was talking about the relationship between he and Jerry and Jones. It wasn't because he hated Stephen and Jerry Jones. It was because he came in on his own terms,

did the job on his own terms, and then when he couldn't do the job on his own terms anymore, it was time for him to leave. And that's who Belichick learned from. So I just think there's a lot of things that are going to need to be sorted out whenever this season ends for New England. And I think how the owner approaches it and how Bill approaches it are going to be key to where this relationship is going forward.

Again, I don't think Bill is getting fired, but I certainly see where things can be pretty strained after the year. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's going to be interesting. The Garoppolo to the Jets makes sense. I can see Josh McDaniels moving off Derek Carr and getting his own guy. I can see Tennessee looking at Burrell Mahomes, Alan Herbert and saying, let's go get Aaron Rogers. I can honestly see them moving off Derek Henry. He's now got a lot of carries. They're going to have to pay him a fortune. And running back-centric teams aren't winning. I'll just throw it out

there. Derek Carr, gut feeling. Raiders keep him or not because there are a lot of teams. Jets, Giants, Titans. I mean, that Jets roster and that Titans roster, those are rosters ready to win right now. Absolutely. I could argue they're better than the Raiders roster. Where do you think Derek Carr ends up? Well, there's a key decision point in this contract there. I think you and I have talked about it before. Three days after the Super Bowl, there's $40 million in there that vests as fully guaranteed. So the Raiders come, you know, whatever the decision is, the Raiders are going to have to make it by mid-February, three days after the Super Bowl. And I think very much, you know, his job is on the line over the next few weeks, how he plays over the next

few weeks could determine the way that Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler go with this. And I think complicating that decision, the same way the Jets decision is complicated by the availability of Jimmy Garapolo is the fact that for Ziegler and for McDaniels, there are going to be two quarterbacks out there potentially available that they have background with in Garoppolo and Tom Brady. And so, you know, when they decided to do the contract with Derek Carr, really the idea was he's going to be like Alex Smith in Kansas City for us. We're going to be able to build around him. We're going to be able to build the roster up, and he's going to buy his time to find whoever the next guy is. Is Garoppolo better suited for that role in Vegas than Derek Carr is? Do they think they're close

enough to win with Tom Brady? Do they think that it's worth it to go all in on a 46-year-old quarterback? Those are the questions that I think are going to be asked whenever the Raiders season ends. And I do think that the way that Derek Carr finishes his first year in Vegas over the next few weeks could wind up coloring that decision-making. So if Gardner Minshu goes into Dallas, the road, backup quarterback, they can't run the same offense, and beats the Cowboys. Monday, who do you believe will get the heat? McCarthy or Dak? I mean, I think it's probably McCarthy.

Now, I think Mike's done enough this year where it would really have to look bad for him to be out, right? Like, you look at some of the things they've gone through. They won with Cooper Rush over a five-game stretch. They withstood the loss of a Hall of Fame tackle. in Tyron Smith to replace that Hall of Fame tackle. They got a guard ready to play and playing at a high level. Now, he's a first rounder, but he was playing guard through the spring and summer.

So you look at the little pieces here, even like going back to the higher of Dan Quinn and what it's meant for them defensively. And Mike McCarthy actually over the last year or so, you know, ever since we were talking about his job security, ever since, you know, that debacle at the end against San Francisco in the playoffs, like we've seen Mike McCarthy actually build up some equity here. And so I think for the first time, maybe more than ever, people are going to start to look at Dak. He's on a big contract now. The dynamics changed a little bit.

There are a lot of things that are right around him. They fix the offensive line. I think you sort of look at this. And it's easy to look at some of the things that Mike McCarthy's done over the last year now and say, you know what? He's starting to build some credibility in Dallas the way he did in Green Bay. And then, you know, you look at Dak and how he's played. And like when he doesn't play well, when he throws a crucial pick like he did, last week against Jacksonville, you start to look at it, you say,

there aren't a lot of places to point the finger anymore than right at number four. So I do think you're probably going to see more blame on DAC if this doesn't work out than you have in the past. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback. Good seeing you, bud. All right, thanks, Colin. Merry Christmas to everybody. Happy holidays, Merry Christmas to you. So he played Brady and lost. He played Aaron Rogers and lost. He played Trevor Lawrence and lost.

So arguably the three most talented quarterback's deck faced, he didn't play particularly well. And in those games, he completed 60, percent of his throws. So, you know, and his passer rating was in like the high 70s. You know, it's interesting about McCarthy. So if you look at the six quarterbacks that Mike McCarthy has had the most games with, he doesn't make them significantly better or worse. So Aaron Rogers in his prime was the best. He had a winning playoff record. Matt LaFleur doesn't with him and he won a Super Bowl.

So it doesn't look like to me, Aaron Rogers was significantly better with Matt LaFleur. I would say this, the division was better for most of Mike McCarthy's reign than it was the last couple of years with LeFleur. So LeFleur got an easier division. Doesn't look like, so go to old Brett Fav. He got two years of Brett Farrf. His last year with Brett Farve, he was 13 and 3.

I don't know. I mean, the passer ratings are close, touchdown interception. It doesn't look like he screwed up Brett Farv, who a few years later was out of the league. If you look at Dak, if you look at Dak's numbers with McCarthy without McCarthy, he's actually better with him. The offensive line's been worse, and Dak is better with McCarthy than he was with Jason Garrett. So he's not screwing that up. How about old Andy Dalton?

And Andy Dalton was old. So old Andy Dalton wasn't very good in New Orleans. And he's about 500. And then there's Young Cooper Rush. He's gone five and one with him. Can't bang him for that. How many people go five and one with their backup? But if you look at the three best quarterbacks that Mike McCarthy has had,

Aaron Rogers isn't significantly better without him. He's winning more in division games. Old Farve with and without him. same and DAC slightly better with him so we can keep blaming Mike McCarthy he's clearly not ruining the three best quarterbacks he's had has a winning record with Cooper Rush he lost with Brett Hunley who's not really an NFL quarterback and old Andy Dalton wasn't very good in New Orleans he wasn't very good in Dallas because right now old Andy Dalton's not very good but the only problem with that McCarthy DAC argument is 49 million that's DAC's cap hit yeah but that's not that's not

Mike McCarthy's fault, is it? I know, but ultimately, you can't get rid of a 49-mill cap hit, so who takes the hit? It's going to be the coach. So I know it's not fair. Life's not fair often. But McCarthy loses this game. That's going to be bad. And if they get bounced in the first round by Tampa or Carolina or wherever they go, it's going to be really bad. I can see him getting fired. I know it's not popular and it's not fair. They're not getting rid of DAC. He's not going anywhere. I know that. Hour two coming up. Blazing Five next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

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