The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Aaron Rodgers keeps dropping hints, Matt Hasselbeck

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Where Colin was Right, Where Colin was Wrong. Aaron Rodgers keeps dropping hints on where he wants to play. Former NFL quarterback Matt Hasselbeck stops by to talk about storylines in the NFL and what happens when older quarterbacks have leverage. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You've got a story on Caitlin Clark at the bottom of the hour. Hope you had a great weekend. You ran into LeBron James, you said, in a volleyball tournament? You know, a huge volleyball tournament. He attracted a big crowd. Hey, quick question. Let me ask you. And I know you're not a big social media guy on weekend.

You've got a bubbly life out there in the Midwest. When you put something out about Caitlin Clark during one of her games, do you see like just a tsunami of a reaction? Everybody seems to have thoughts on Caitlin Clark. She's probably more polarizing than any NBA player right now. Yeah, I don't get the polarizing. She's good. Let's enjoy her.

I don't get it. Like I understand, I do understand a little bit of the animosity with players. It's like when Bryce Harper came in baseball. Nobody paid attention to us. Now you like the flashy new player, and her game is flashy. So I get some animosity, but I always felt this. I remember when Manny Ramirez left the Red Sox, and he came back, and people were like, yeah, I don't know if I like him.

And my take you're the Red Sox. You could never beat the Yankees. I don't care what you think of Kurt Schilling or Mani Ramirez. You beat the Yankees. You won rings with them. Like, if somebody makes my life better, like, I don't care if it's your ex-wife, If you had 15 great years, appreciate it. That's a big chapter in your life that was good.

So Caitlin Clark's making everybody's life better. You can fly Spirit Airlines or you can upgrade to private. That alone is a thank you card and gift. I mean, to me, I don't get the polarization. All right, we do it every Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong, and plenty of both. Where Colin was right? Well, my inclination was when the push-push got pushed through.

because of Jason Kelsey, the soon-to-be Hall of Famer Center for the Philadelphia Eagles who stood in front of the owners in a suit, got in a stance, and made a declaration that it was safe. And the stories out today is Jason Kelsey indeed, was the reason he changed about three to four votes that it passed. Listen, the Health and Safety Committee of the NFL wants to get rid of it. So it had to be an influencer. It had to be somebody with great. conviction to sell it, an owner or a player or a coach, and the reports are it was, as we speculated Jason Kelsey. Where Colin was right?

PFF came out last week, ranked quarterbacks, all of them. Dak Prescott was 17th, one spot ahead of Tua, and that's exactly right. I know y'all love him. He's a cowboy, and he's rich, and his intangibles from maturity to focus to leadership, I agree they're A-plus. but as a thrower of the football, as an athlete, it's C, C, plus, B minus. He is, especially after a second major surgery,

in the middle of the pack, and I appreciate PFF, nailing it. Where Colin was wrong. The Lakers need to deal, Austin Reeves. I don't get the fascination, but Dan Wojke reporting, the organization loves him, and the only have to pay him next year 14 million,

and they see him as an absolute, Absolute steel. I see him as a guy that got worked athletically against Minnesota's wing players. I see him as a guy that should be the fourth best player on a championship level team. I think he's a little less talented than Derek White, who I feel the same way about. If he's your fourth best player, you should be buying for championships, but I'm wrong, apparently. Where Colin was right? Insiders now saying Jeremy Fowler reports that Aaron Rogers, many believe, has his eye on Minnesota.

soda and that is why he hasn't signed with Pittsburgh. It's not just necessarily the personal reasons. I don't know it to be true, but I have speculated he's too smart to think Pittsburgh's a good fit. Burrow twice a year with better offensive teammates and a better offensive coach. Lamar Jackson and a better organization twice a year, Pittsburgh is a bunch of L's even with Aaron Rogers and I think he knows it. Where Colin was right? Zach Eadie made the all-rooky team, the former Purdue star. I didn't understand the pushback on him.

Mark Few came on our show and said he'd never faced an offensive college player that unstoppable. Dan Hurley came on the herd and said, the NBA doesn't know what they're talking about. He's going to work in this league. And for Memphis, he made the all-rooky team. He's a guy that just kept grinding. He got better sophomore to junior, junior senior year. and I think you're going to see continued improvement. He clearly has an excellent work ethic.

Where Colin was wrong. The Eagles signed an extension in Nick Seriani. You know, I don't quite get the vibe. I think there's a lot of circumstances like Howie Roseman and Jalen Hertz and Seekwon Barkley in the O line that elevate him. But you know what? The players like him. I don't have to get everybody.

I mean, Philadelphia is a loud, high volume, high intensity town, and there's an argument he fits the Eagles more than any other team, so I can take a wrong on that. Where Colin was right? Oh, Jordan Hudson reportedly wearing a new ring and not wanted Belichick's Super Bowl ring that could be an engagement ring. Since I'm the only American media member that does appear to approve of this relationship, once again proving I am not only America's honesty broker,

but I'm a hopeless romantic. I see it working. I think they like each other. Relationships can be complicated, but there is a report that they have a future that these two are a real thing. Where Colin was right? NBA Western finals between Minnesota and OKC is a ratings dud. I said, I think the Knicks Pacers is going to get great numbers and it has. This is not a needle mover.

SGA is not a dynamic player. He's just a great score. It's a small market. And Minnesota is not a huge basketball brand. so it doesn't surprise me that this is just not moving the needle. Like I think tonight could be the best game in the series. If Minnesota wins it, I think that helps. If OKC wins, I think the ratings are just going to be abysmal.

We've had this before. Duncan and the Spurs, when they were running the league, we're not a captivating team. Duncan was great, but he was the big fundamental. He wasn't dynamic. He wasn't a big personality. It happens. Where Colin was wrong.

Kenny Pickett now viewed as the frontrunner for the Cleveland Browns quarterback game. I don't get it. I'm going to die on this hill. Shadoor Sanders is going to win this job. Pickett's on his third team in four years in his NFL career. 15 touchdowns, 14 picks.

I don't get it. You know, nice kid. I think he's a backup. I think he loves football. But I said it when he came out. He's more of a second, mid-third-round picked. He doesn't pop on TV. He did have one great college play

where he was going to slide. He faked it, stood, ran, We all ran that a thousand times, but I don't see it as a franchise quarterback. Colin right, calling wrong on a Monday. And with that, Matt Hasselbeck, 18 years, and the NFL joins us live. I'll ask you about the tush-push. You can tell from the committees the league wants to get rid of it. And Jeffrey Lurie has, you know, the Eagles are a respected franchise,

and Jason Kelsey, obviously. You know, he's just one of those guys, the grinder. He's loved by the NFL community. Do you think, you know, it passes for a year. If I said five years, push, do you think it's going to last? No, I don't think it's going to last. And I don't think they want to get rid of it. I just think they don't know what to do with it.

You know, they really don't. And I think you said it earlier. It's a health and safety issue. That's how you move the needle on these things. There's probably just no data that shows that this is a play where people get injured. You know, what the NFL doesn't want, they don't want wasted plays, like the extra point when they moved it back. And they don't want plays that the injury rate goes.

up you lose star players you know i thought actually in the super bowl when chris jones uh went down i thought oh well if he gets hurt on this play then this play has no has no future but i just don't think the data's there and you know jason kelsey talking to the team to the you know to the competition committee that's not unusual like i remember you know one time on the extra point they brought in adam venetary to talk about uh that extra point situation they brought in different long snappers that had gotten hurt on extra point plays and uh you know they brought in special teams people to talk about the kickoff the kickoff return so it's not unusual i just think that some people present their case better than others and i would imagine jason kelsey was probably pretty persuasive so um on the aaron rogers

thing um when you're i mean at some point players get older like kirk cousins and you do have leverage because you have 200 million dollars in the bank and you don't want to play you don't want to play and Aaron certainly earned it. He's made a fortune. There's talk about personal stuff. My take has always been smart people are often too smart to try to fool me that they're interested in something that's not smart. Pittsburgh's a tone-deaf offensive culture. Minnesota is a really good offensive culture. If you are a quarterback and you maybe have a year or two left, of all the teams, New Orleans, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, what would be your process on eliminating and including teams. What does matter to an older quarterback?

Well, who likes me back? That's a really important thing. Like, yeah, I've been seeing the reports that Aaron Rogers would prefer Minnesota. Who would not? Like everyone would. Great play caller, great head coach, great skill around you, amazing defense on the other side of the ball. Yeah, I get it. But they seem to be already settled on J.J. McCarthy as their quarterback. So I don't think, listen, the quarterback free agency situation when you're at the end of your career, it's very, similar to musical chairs. There's only a certain amount of chairs. When the music stops,

the music stops. And so I've been saying this for a long time. I believe I said it on your show. Aaron Rogers is going to be with the Pittsburgh Steelers. All this other talk about all these other teams, it's not happening. I do not see it happening. There's no rush for a veteran quarterback. I think I said it on your show. There's no way he's signing before May 27. Absolutely no way you signed before phase three. There's no reason to, especially if you're a guy as experienced, is A-Rod. So, I mean, to me, I think that June 9th time when they have that mandatory minicamp is like, all right, if it's not you, then we got to move on as the Steelers. But to me, listen, is it the best situation out there? No. But it's, it needs to be mutual acceptance.

And the music's about to stop soon here and he's going to have to sit down or get out. So I forget how you feel about Brock Purdy. I like him, but I do feel much like a Dak Prescott or a two. He needs an offensive coach. He's got to have some weaponry. His contract now that it's all been laid out is not as punitive as initially thought. But my take is older teams get hurt more often, and it takes longer to recover. So if you told me Trent William sprained an knee in week two, I'd be like, this isn't going to be good.

Whereas a guy like an Alan, a Lamar, a Burrow can, it's more able to overcome that stuff. When you looked at the Brock pretty numbers, knowing this is a pretty old team at running back, at linebacker, at left tackle, at tied in, are you good with it? Well, a couple of things. As a quarterback who played on the old CBA, I see all of these quarterback numbers, and I'm like, Wait, what? You know, I feel like I was born at the wrong time. Like, that's the first thing.

But you like Brock Purdy. I love Brock Purdy. I put myself in the category of Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. I think he's an absolute baller. I think he's one of the most underrated quarterbacks in the entire game. I think he does things that quarterbacks don't get credit for, things that don't show up on your passer rating. I think he's a really good player. I also think that this is kind of a team-friendly deal.

He didn't handcuff them to the level. that I believe that he could have. So I think this is a dangerous team. I think this is a team last year that had a terrible season. I think they could be a playoff team next year. I hear what you're saying about age and losing some other good players. But I think this is still a team that I believe in. And for a good part, yeah, he's a quarterback that needs a great coach and a great system.

Great. What quarterback doesn't want that? So put me down as a team that believes in this, this quarterback. I like the signing, and I think this is a good team to watch this year. Okay, I want to ask you about, I said it's a head, it's a head coach quarterback league, very few players, even at T.J. Watt, are not worth a point. That's just the way the league is. You get the right coach and you get the right quarterback. You're going to win 65 to 75% of your games. You're going to win your division. It's why the AFC is so much easier to predict

than the NFC because you have more great quarterbacks. So I said there are four people of all the additions in the NFL that I think change outcomes. And my take was they were so bad at quarterback at Tennessee. I think Cam Ward will change outcomes. I think Vrable takes over for a coach that was probably a coordinator, elevated to a spot that was a little much that early. I think Gino Smith is one of those guys. Nobody wants to admit, you give him time to throw in a run game.

He's pretty good. And I do think Ben Johnson, this would be my most controversial based on Caleb Williams in your belief in him. Would you push back on any of these specifically? I mean, I kind of agree with Cam Ward. He gives you something. I just don't know if anybody's going to care. It's kind of amazing to me the lack of attention some teams get.

Tennessee, Jacksonville, some of those teams, I feel like they deserve more. Mike Vrable, I like that a lot. I don't think I would pin it just on Gino, though. I think for me, I think what's special about that, and I like Gino, I really like Gino a lot. I really think that Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, you know, this weird Tom Brady involvement, I think that's probably the top edition for me. And, you know, we got Ashton Gentia, we got Moster. Like, I think that really is going to be a team effort there.

I don't know that I would put Gino as the face of it, even though I think I agree with you. Ben Johnson's interesting to me. I think he's going to be hired much like, much like Sean McVeigh was. he was hired, Sean McVeigh was hired to see if he could fix Goff and Gurley. Right. You know, the L.A. Rams, I think there were St. Louis to L.A. You know, Todd Gurley, Jared Gough, who's the right coach for those two guys? Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential, who realizes his potential.

Last year, he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It just, it would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL. I think Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is, I think, a one-year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't, who we kind of thought he was before he was drafted. Finally, you see the position of quarterback differently than us because you played it, your experience, you can coach it. If you look at Burrough, Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, almost all the great quarterbacks.

They're not slow builds. In September of the first year, Burroughs throwing for 325 yards with an atrocious O-line, and a coach we didn't know. So generally, if you have it, we see it pretty quickly, especially for first-round quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels was like 28 of 31 in back-to-back weeks or thereabouts. How long, because I think the weapons in the O-line are pretty good now, how long will you give Caleb before you say warning, I'm not, I'm not, it can't just be wins, because you can win games in this league and not play well.

What will you look for with Caleb based on what you've seen and how long will you give him to become a hit? I would have patience with him. I think he's got enough talent and enough upside to have patience with him. I don't think it's a quick, I don't think you know right away. I mean, Troy Aikman started out really poorly as rookie year. Like they didn't do well. Peyton Manning, you know, he had to. think he might have led the league in interceptions. Eli Manning got bench for Kurt Warner. Like there's all these stories of young quarterbacks. It doesn't start out well. Quarterback is such a team game. You need the people around you to play well. When you go to a, the team that has the first pick in the draft, they're usually not a great team.

Now, in Caleb's situation, I believe they've built it really well around him, especially this year. And they blamed everybody else in the building besides him. And so now I just think the spotlight's going to be on him. I would have patience, but at the same time, I don't know if Chicago will. I think they open up against Brian Flores' defense. That's a beast of a defense with all their all-out pressure, their simulated pressure. I wouldn't wish that for any young quarterback. But at the end of the year, I think a decision will be made on him one way or the other. And it's just fair to say if you watch the film, he's off to a very, very slow start.

Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday, happy Memorial Day to you and your family. family. Appreciate it, bud. You too. See you, Colin. All right. Matt Haslopach, always, always good on the show today. Jay Mack, you were smirking, so you were looking at something with great intensity as I was talking there. What's going on? Well, you know, like, there's this huge discussion around Aaron Rogers happening with the Steelers, and it's weird. The Steelers fan base seems a little torn. Like, do we want them or do we not? And I just wonder, you know, you never know when your stuff's going to cut through. I got to give you a shout out for your USC Notre Dame. That seemed kooky when you floated it. Was it last? year and now it's coming true. But your idea of, hey, you know what, let's not add Rogers. Let's go Mason Rudolph and Will Howard and see how that works. I wonder if Steelers fans

here in the coming week are just going to say, I don't want the Rogers drama, the nonsense. There's just always something with that guy. The baseball team's terrible. The hockey team's not making the playoffs. They don't have NBA. University of Pittsburgh's math. So the Steelers are like there's football season and waiting for football season. And so I think it's hard when, and you go into these psych, I can remember there being years that Willie Storzel and the Pirates were winning the World Series and the Steelers were great. I mean, it goes in cycles. So right now, Pittsburgh, they've only been great when they've had a great quarterback.

And there right now, remember what we said last year, the Cowboys had the worst running back room in the league? We were right. We said it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the Steelers have the worst quarterback. quarterback room. I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, the Kirk Cousins thing, I guess, but that just feels like you're just plugging a hole here. It's a little whack-a-mole offensively. I think your play is go with the young guys, keep the culture strong, you're not going to win a bunch of games, and then go big game hunting next year, and you may have to part with a T.J. Watt to go from, like, the eighth spot to the second spot and get the kid out of Penn State.

Yeah, by the way, remember how Belichick was not really wanted by any teams? They were like, hey, he's too old, too rigid ones. I wonder if we're really close to that point with Aaron Rogers. And we're just like, it's the Steelers or nothing. Like, sorry, the Vikings don't want you. The Niners don't want. Like, are we there yet? Where it's just like, no thanks on Aaron Rogers.

That ship has sailed. We will never know until Aaron speaks it into truth, because Aaron, you know, he wants to be mysterious. So my take is if he wanted to sign, he would. Hasselbeck says it's May 27th. So I don't, my take's always been if he goes to Pittsburgh, I think they win one more game than they are now. I mean, I think that's what he's become, an older pocket quarterback who looked cold in outdoor windy cold games. He looked old and cold is what he looked like. All right, live in Chicago, it's the herd.

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Tonight, OKC can be a little shaky on the road against Minnesota. Chris Broussard will join us next hour. Here's J. Mack with the news. This is the herd line news. Boy, Colin, you teased it earlier in the hour. We got some bummer news about Caitlin Clark. She's going to be out at least two weeks. According to the Indiana fever, they announced their star player has a left quad strain.

kind of unclear when she strained it in the game Saturday. But two weeks means she's going to miss some pivotal games. The league is going to be, I'm sure the league office right now is just devastated because there's two huge national TV games that she's likely to miss. She's averaging 19, 9 and 6. The fever are only two and two, Colin, but both losses are by a combined three points. I don't care what anybody says. They're a title contender in this league.

And she's expected to miss two games against Washington. Nobody really cares about that. But there's a game against Chicago and Angel Reese on CBS. I believe it's in two weeks that she's expected to miss. And hopefully she's back for a game against New York, another national TV game on 2014. So we have no video of when she actually got hurt. No, because she played to the end of the game.

And I don't know if maybe it was react. It was just injured during the game she played through it. But two weeks out, listen, man, that's a bummer. There's no way to slice it. I have such a conspiracy theory on this, but I'm not going to throw it. No, no, no, float it. Come on. What are you saving it for tomorrow?

Come on. Because of all the combustibility of the angel Reese, Caitlin Clark, rivalry, and the league trying to bring the temperature down, they know they can't do this just for the Chicago game. so they said let's cool it down let's have her let's have Indiana league saying let's bring the temperature down a little bit have her miss a couple of games pre-Chicago of course this is not true because you couldn't go to a team and say please don't play your super oh boy but I my first thought that the tinfoil had I quickly pulled it off

I do not believe this is true but I get I do get to at least acknowledge that it entered the brainosphere, like for one second, and then I quickly grabbed the tin foil and I threw it away. So people think you're a silver fox. We don't have any video of it, and she missed, she's going to miss three games, but she played the whole game. There's no video of it, even limping. But it's weird.

People call you a silver fox, but it's not really silver. It's a little tinfoil hat that you're wearing. They just need to look closer. But that's not a terrible theory. And you're right. The temperature is elevated. Boy, I was telling Martin here, they're coming after Angel Reese. Like, the internet is just out on her.

It feels a little aggressive at this point, but we'll save that for another day. Next up, Colin, hey, it's a Monday. We've got to talk about Aaron Rogers again. He seems delusional right now, thinking that he's going to wait out the Vikings. Here's why. Vikings owner Mark Wilf won on a radio show talking about second-year quarterback J.J. McCarthy's leadership. Take a listen. He has a gravitational pull as a leader.

He really does. I think the way the players support him, I think it's, of course, the talent is. is there. Coach O'Connell is glowing in his praises of how he's handled everything to date. And from an off-the-field perspective, we couldn't be happier. So all things are pointing in the right direction, and we're going to be supporting JJ to have him be the success we want him to be. Yeah, I'm going to push back on that. What does that even mean? That sounds amazing. He's got gravitational pull. He's never played an NFL game. He doesn't have any pull. You've got to win games. By the way, you've got to win games in this league.

telling me, oh, this Spencer Rattler for New Orleans, he's 0 and 6, he's never won a game. I don't care how much everybody likes you in the room. I don't care about your leadership qualities. You've got to win games in this league. Nobody cares. This is not baseball, where it's stats driven, or basketball,

where it's sort of like aesthetic driven, if you got style, if you've got a game, people love you. NFL's about double-used. Oh, really? I don't believe he's it. He's gravitational pull. Wait, so you're becoming quarterback wins guy? Is that your summer thing? You're going to be like, hey, wins. Well, I guess Lamar Jackson, you're out on him. Can't win playoffs games.

No, I didn't say that. He wins 77% of his games. You don't have to win. If Dan Marino had pull his whole career, talent plus doubles in winning the, if you win the division, a lot of guys get paid on quarterbacks that win division. Coaches get paid when they win divisions. You don't have to win rings to get paid in this league. I got to give will props for gravitational pull. That's a Star Wars reference, obviously, the Death Star. And I'm a huge Star Wars guy. I'm watching Andor right now. Colin, hey, that's another show you've got to get into Andor.

I know you're in the Star Wars Fear Moment. You like that stuff, right? No, don't at all. By the way, were you at Mission Impossible this weekend or no? I'm saying I'm going to see it when I get back from Baycai. I'm busy. Okay. You're busy.

I'm busy. A final story. This is in your real house. I'll stand down once again. Bill Belichick's girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, was seen at an airport in North Carolina with reportedly, a ring on her left ring finger. This comes on the heels of what looks like

a nice getaway on the water over the weekend. Oh, dear. Jordan posted Old Bay with my Old Bay on her IG. I am going to just zip it, lock it, put it to my pocket. Take it away, Big Boy. Oh, my God. Old Bay with my old bay. I did not call for this just for the record.

Producers jamming this one, because they know you love it. I'm out on this story, Colin. It's dangerous. I don't think it's that dangerous. I think it's okay for people to be attracted to one another for various reasons. Not everybody. It looks like, you know, a super model. You can be attracted to people for a lot of reasons.

A woman could be attracted to a man who's got his act together and is respectful and is thoughtful as a good listener. And a woman could, a man could be attracted to somebody visually. attracted and sense of humor. The age thing is what attracts people is nobody can decipher it. Wait, so the age thing. It's not, I mean, I mean, I do see a lot of 73-year-old women with 24-year-old guys. That happens a lot, very often, right? So I'm just going to, you know, look up all those on the Internet.

I think there's zero in the last, like, thousand years. But, you know, I digress. There's nothing to see here. It's summer love, as they say, right? Yeah, I just, I'm not. going to get into the game of trying to say why she's attracted to belichick bill's not a baffircine guy he's very successful whatever that's not my space like whatever why does anne think i'm attracted well that one's obvious but for most people it's not as obvious so it's it's

a holiday let's let's let's wrap our arms around young love by the way i i know you like to think you're a man of the people but i'm actually out and about with the regular people And this is the second most popular question I get in the last couple weeks. What do you make of this Belichick 24-year-old thing? Oh, I know. People, they're into it. They're obsessed with this. And, you know, it's all guys asking. I wonder why that is, Colin.

No. Well, I thought you know. I think it's going to last forever. It's going to be like meet the press of relationships. It's going to be, it's going to last forever. Gunsmoke. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Yeah, it's, you know, it's sports is a, you know, the funny thing about sports, and I've said this for years, this has always been like my default line. I'm not a moralist. I'm not a moralist. There are so many moralists on the radio that do talk radio, and you can go find those people. I'm not a moralist. People do what they do. There's open relationships. There are power dynamics that are odd in relationships. You do you. What you're a moralist. You do. What you are. attracted to do is none of my business. And so if it works, go for it. Now, there aren't a lot of 74-year-old women attracted to 26-year-old men. That is true. But again, the genders are different. You know, we do different things. We see the world differently. It's the herd. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast.

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He pulled the JJ Reddick card and he knew about the Luca move, although, you know, A.D., some have speculated, thinks LeBron knew about the Luca move before the Luca move. there's the Westbrook trade, which Rich Paul has said LeBron had no idea about that. But here's Rich Paul on LeBron's current influence with the Lakers. Clearly, he don't run the team because there's things that transpired that he didn't even know about. Like the Luca trades, what you're sure. Yeah, so how is he running the team? There's one thing to have power and influence, and there are guys who earn the right for some decisions to be, you know, ran past you or so for some teams to say, hey, what do you think

about this or, yeah, that's earned. Yeah, I think that's true. I have a very strong belief. Owners should own GM said GM, coaches should coach, players should play. Now, there are occasional players who have a good sense of personnel, but an athlete's prism is selfish. To be an athlete, you have to be selfish. You give up stuff, right? And an athlete's prism is, what's good for me and what's good today?

And a general manager obviously has to have a more comprehensive view. That's why even as smart as LeBron is in terms of basketball, every team LeBron leaves is a shipwreck. Why? Because you build the team for the moment. And the minute he leaves, you don't have any depth, you don't have draft picks, so it's all about winning now. In his prime, I'm for that.

I remember in Miami, I think there was a basketball player. I forget it was a UCon player or something. There was some guard that LeBron liked that had a really good final four or a really good tournament. And LeBron reportedly liked him. can do anything in the NBA. This is like the minute owners start meddling Jerry Jones, it goes sideways. The minute GMs start putting pressure on their coach or their quarterback, it goes sideways. One of the reasons Green Bay has worked for all these years in the NFL is that Murphy runs the operations,

good and coon's running personnel, their coach is an offensive guy runs the team, and you get into problems when passive aggressive Brett or passive aggressive Aaron want to be like a little bit of coach and personnel guy that's when the problems happened

early FAR didn't early Aaron did anytime Green Bay has struggled it has been a quarterback that wants to usurp certain power dynamics and I just don't think it works you know you can go and be you know conciliatory

a listen what do you think Listen, we really care about your opinion. But I think, I don't give you an example, Belichick's a brilliant coach. The minute Belichick took over personnel, the last seven drafts in New England were awful. I've said this. I had a phone call. I was driving home two days ago. I had a phone call with a GM in the NFL.

And I said, the San Francisco 49ers draft has Kyle Shanahan's first. fingerprints all over it. And this GM agreed. I said, I love their first pick, and then it looked like a bunch of picks that could help Kyle Shanahan now. That was not a John Lynch draft. That Kyle, it has too much power. I felt Denver this year was Sean Payton. I didn't love Denver's draft. I thought there were a couple of reaches that felt like this will help Sean now. And I love Sean. I think the best draft was Seattle. Why? Because McDonald has no power. Therefore, it was a John Snyder draft. The coach doesn't have any power yet.

And it was a strict, by the way, what other coach doesn't have power? Todd Bulls, Tampa. Look at their last couple drafts. Really strong. So it's not one of these shut up and dribble things. Like I think you should, LeBron in his prime or Brady in his prime. Hey, what do you make of this guy? But I think it's better to ask LeBron in his prime, what do you think of this current?

what do you think of this current teammate? Not how do you project this kid from Kansas who's an off guard? How does he know? He's watching the NBA. But I do think you can go to a LeBron or a Mahalms and say, hey, man, how is this guy in the room? Do you trust him on routes? Is he a worker? Do the guys like him?

I think that's when you go to a star. How does this guy play in the room? Tell me if, you know, and that's why most great coaches in every sport will have like a council, like a players council players have player only meetings that's the value of the star give me the temperature of the room you know i'll keep it private who's not working but i think asking a pro athlete to project hell that's hard enough for general managers to project who's going to be in the pros you don't have any idea now rich paul did say and lebron in his prime you know when his ceiling was unlimited it's it's different but right now lebron

is a lease, not a buy. He's a lease. He's not even a lease to own. He's just a lease. It is very hard to plan your future around a player that doesn't know his future. So there's, I think you, LeBron's is squeezing every last ounce out of this career,

but at this point, I'm not terribly interested in, like, his plans going forward. You want to make sure when he bolts, when he jettisons the team, And that could be, you know, after this year, he's more in the playing with his son's mode. He's more in the business mode, which I'm here for. He's earned it. But I'm not asking him for big opinions on personnel.

Earlier today, I said, I think it was Bleacher Report, came out, and they listed a player on every team that is the most dangerous new addition. It could be free agency. It could be the draft. I think it's coach quarterback league. I think there's four people that will change losses to one. wins. Cam Ward, quarterback for the Titans, Mike Vrable, Gino-Smith,

quarterback play was so bad last year. And by the way, if you notice what I'm saying here, all of these people, whether it's Cam Ward, Mike Frable, Gino-Smith, Ben Johnson, what do they have in common? They are replacing somebody, either coach or quarterback, who was bottom of the league. So competency to slightly above competency

will change outcomes. in these four players or coaches cam ward mike fable gino smith ben johnson bet hasselbeck joined us earlier the i i think you've got to put a pretty quick time table on caleb williams i think generally if a quarterback has a smart offensive coach tua got mike mcdaniel goff got uh sean mcvay you saw it in three weeks but hasslebeck's taking a bit more of a practical approach Ben Johnson's coming in to see if he can turn Caleb Williams into a quarterback who maximizes his potential, who realizes his potential. Last year, he just looked like a guy that was kind of massaging the ball in the pocket and then tried to, like, you know, be an athlete and outrun people. It just, it would look like a college quarterback trying to play in the NFL.

I think Ben Johnson's going to be the guy that either can or can't get Caleb to realize that potential. And Ben Johnson's not going anywhere. So this is, I think, a one-year opportunity for Caleb to kind of prove that he is or isn't who we kind of thought he was before he was drafted. So we do this where we, J-MAC, you and I make predictions. They're called future bets. And we usually try to be optimistic. We take teams that we think will be noticeably better than they're over-under. Last year I took Washington, Denver, got it right.

Year before Rams got it right. Year before Vikings got it right. I've said, I think New England is my better-than-people-think team. Let's just turn it for a second. If I asked you, okay, give me one team in the league that has fairly lofty projections, at least nine wins, because this happens every year, there's a tire fire. I mean, last year it was the jets. Like everybody projected them, eight wins, nine wins.

If I said, let's flip the telescope, give. me the team with lofty expectations you don't buy. This pains me to do this because I got some buddies who listen to the show religiously, but I do believe the Detroit Lions pullback big time this year. Colin, A, the schedule is much tougher, B, the brain drain from both coordinators. And see, they have now been, you know, two straight seasons, like one of the premier teams in the NFC. They're not going to sneak up on anybody this year.

Everybody's going to be hunting them because they're the team. Oh my gosh, they should be going to the Super Bowl, nearly took down the Niners two years ago. I think the Lions, who didn't really change much personnel on the offensive side, the defense still needs some work. I think the Lions pullback wouldn't be shocked if they missed the playoffs, Colin. I think it's going to be a tough go. Well, it's interesting because you would look at their own line and their run game, and you'd push back on that. But it is interesting to note that Philadelphia was that team two years ago with a stacked roster, had great success, lost both coordinators, missed on the coordinator hires, and was awful Thanksgiving on.

So the point being is, do you really believe the best, most viable, dynamic candidate for Ben Johnson was the guy behind him? I don't. I don't know if Aaron Glenn is going to work as a head coach. I've got my doubts. But do you really think the best candidate in the country was the guy behind him? I don't. We just don't know. Remember, Campbell loves to go for it on fourth down.

And when you've got Ben Johnson with the joystick there, he's dialing up great stuff. I don't know if the new guy is going to be able to deliver on fourth and two the way that Ben Johnson had for basically the last two years. Yeah, I mean, I think we all know coach and quarterback drives this league. But there are multiple examples of coaches either flourishing or struggling, competent coaches, with bad coordinators or bad misses. So, I mean, I mean, just if you don't think coaching matters obviously in football, look at the Chargers defense with Brandon Staley. Look at six months later, nine months later, with Jesse Minter.

It's the same players, dead last to first. Look at the offensive line and the Broncos offense hack it to Sean Payton with a rookie quarterback. Like, it matter. Coordinators matter. a lot. Hour 3 and a Monday. Next. Hey guys, it's us the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created

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