The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - AFC QBs, overtime, USFL

Episode Date: March 29, 2022

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She'll taste the food comes back. It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. It's so great to have you back, Joy, thanks to Alex Curry, who filled in. She was remarkable. But yes, go to Joy's Instagram. Do you have a bunch of pictures on it? Yes. Yes, that's probably, and it's funny because all the

pictures. Joy is beautiful and in front of these amazing places. And then all the Parisians are like Who's the girl posing in front of us? Everyone was very nice, I will say. Everyone was very, very kind to us. Like, not just nice. Like, they were very kind.

They were very accommodating. Everyone was very nice. But there were certain places where people were sick of me taking pictures, which I don't really understand because everything there is a picture. We're not the only ones taking pictures. You know, they were sick of me. But it was an amazing, amazing trip.

I love to travel. That's my other thing. That's your thing. It's the same way. I love to get in the plane. I work really hard and then I take some time off and go see the world. Good for you. So, you know, I was thinking about this.

Last year, this free agency period's got everybody worked up. So last year, the best quarterback won every division in the NFL. Now, it's the first time I ever remember that happening. But we've always known, you know, I know. I'm not telling you something you don't know. having the best quarterback in a division helps a lot. And you can't have, my theory is always been, should you move off your quarterback? Well, as a front office, do we have the third of the fourth best quarterback in a division?

You have to get a new quarterback. Now, you can have a bridge quarterback like Pittsburgh has Mitch Trubisky. He's not Burrow. He's not Deshaun Watson. He's not Lamar Jackson. They're bridging it. That's fine. But, you know, when we make all these predictions, and I made mine last week, got some pushback,

this morning I said, I'm just going to go division by division and rank the quarterbacks, not the teams. And you tell me if I just ranked quarterbacks per division, is it possible this is how it's going to end up looking? AFC East. Josh Allen, Tua, Mac Jones, and Zach Wilson. Tua Mac Jones is a coin flip. I've called Tua a left-handed Mac Jones.

I think he's slightly better. Bills, Dolphins. Patriots, Jets. Now, Joe Burrow, I think, is the best quarterback in the division. I say this because I cannot unsee what I just saw, which is Burrow carry one of the worst offensive lines in football to within a minute of winning the league. In my entire life, if you have a bad offensive line, you can't even get to a Super Bowl. It's hard to get to a conference championship. Then I would say Deshaun, Lamar, very close, and then Mitch Trubisky. So if it ends Bengals, Browns,

Ravens Steelers. All right. Let's go to the next one, AFC South. Matt Ryan, Tannihill, Trevor Mills. That's actually my prediction, too, for that division. And then AFC West,

Mahomes, Russell, Justin Herbert, Derek Carr. Again, they could all four make the playoffs. Derek Carr is the greatest, fourth best quarterback in a division in the history of the world. Would that shock you? So as I give you the AFC, the playoff teams would mostly be, you know, the bills.

the Bengals, the Colts, probably Kansas City, Denver, potentially Herbert. I don't know. Is that zany? All right, let's go to the NFC. Carson Wentz and Dak. Now it's a coin flip. I like Carson physically. I like Dak mentally.

It's a coin flip. But if it went Washington, Dallas, Philly Giants, Jalen Hertz, Daniel Jones. Shocking. Again, I think Washington Dallas are both going to be in that kind of nine-win category. Washington lost four games by one possession last year. and they were a mess at quarterback. All right, let's go to the NFC North. Aaron, Kirk Cousins, Justin Field, Gough.

Would that shock you? NFC South, Brady, James, Marcus, Sam Darnold, would that shock you? And then NFC West, I'm just doing this based on quarterback. I think Matthew's the best, Kyler Murray 2nd, Trey Lance Drewlock. So as you look at those, are any of them outrageous? The hardest one is the AFC North. because I don't know how long Deshawn Watson's going to play. I have no idea.

So that one, for instance, I have Deshawn Watson as the second best quarterback. They'll probably be fourth because he'll get suspended for eight to ten games. But outside of that, if you just rank quarterbacks and you go to Vegas and you bet your future bets based on that, you'll probably win money. I mean, that's what the league's becoming. Used to be you could have the best running back and the best defense. Belichick now. cannot win playoff games.

The league, my friends, has changed. All right. This has been, and maybe it's because, you know, when the pandemic hit, the only sport that really truly was canceled was college basketball. And I think people missed it. And the ratings are to five, six year high. I think it's been an incredible tournament, just enough stories like St. Peter's, but yet the big blue bloods.

And Ian O'Connor has written a book. He's been following Duke for several years, and he's been following them through the tournament. The book is called Coach K., The Rise and Rain of Mike Shosheshefsky. I've read it. I've highly recommended it. It is fascinating. This is, of course, Coach K's final year. Ian O'Connor is now joining us live.

All right, so one of the reasons I love the book, and I love any book you write, is because your dogged research, and that, you know, Coach K has his critics, and he swears too much, he's a lot of work. So you've now, you've seen them 30 games this year, and I looked at them, you know, like everybody else, I watched him in the regular season, and I'm like, I don't know, it's not one of his better teams. Do you think he's surprised he's in the final four? Yes.

I don't think he would ever admit that, Colin, for public consumption. But just to see the look on his face after that Michigan State game, and even the way he expressed himself, I think he was flabbergasted. I think, again, he'd never admit this. I think he was surprised they won that game in the final five minutes down five against a physical, albeit mediocre Tom isoteen. But Michigan State was a manhood challenge and test for that group. And they passed it with flying colors. And I think they shocked most people who had watched Duke this year, saw them struggle in endgame situations in Cameron.

Yeah. Against Virginia and Miami and obviously North Carolina, then in Brooklyn against Virginia Tech. So they grew up all of a sudden, and they needed that moment to sort of fuel them through the tournament. And it was in the nick of time because I think most people sitting there were really shocked that they pulled that off. Yeah. I mean, they played North Carolina. That was the last game at Cameron Indoor. And they got whacked.

And there was that ugly coaches didn't shake hand thing. So, you know, we watch that and you think, man, this is a great story and a bad ending to a neat movie. what happened? Like what? I mean, you know, you're around Coach Kaye. What happened in the last month since then? I think just getting to practice after the ACC tournament, final loss of Virginia Tech,

and just getting back to playing some defense. And listen, Coach Kay is one of the great adapters of all time. Yeah. He adapted. And he actually played some zone in this tournament when his team needed it against Texas Tech. And then when they wanted his players, wanted to switch back to man, he listened.

He's actually a very good listener. I know in the Olympics when Jim Beheim or Dan Tony had suggestions, he listened. When Beheim said, hey, we can't cover Spain right now man to man. We have to go to zone. He would do it. So I think that's what you've seen. You've seen him listen to his players. He reconnected with them after the Virginia Tech loss in Brooklyn.

And that week of, or five days or so of practice, I think allowed them to get back to the fundamentals, particularly on the defensive end and make this kind of run. You know, in your book, you highlight something fascinating. So Shoshesky had a losing record as the coach of Army when he took the Duke job. So, you know, he was not, you know, it's not like Alabama going get Nick Saban. Most of the fans did not overwhelmingly did not like the move. The other thing he faced, as you illustrate, is he entered an area of the country where Dean Smith was his neighbor and completely beloved.

So it was the whole Dean Smith coach K thing, even when he was winning early, he wasn't the gentleman, Dean Smith. He was feisty Mike Shoshchewski. It's almost as if you detail about, they had like a bad argument in the 80s or something. Do you think he ever got over that or is that fuel him that he wasn't the favored son, even in the own, you know, the zip code that he came to? Right. The first time they ever faced each other, there was a tournament called the Big Four back. in the day in the Greensboro Colisean. And actually, at the end of the game, North Carolina won.

And there were a couple of free throws that still had to be taken with a second left or less than a second, really. But the game was decided. So Dean Smith walked down to shake Mike's hand. And Mike said, no, Dean, the game's not over. And Roy Williams was sitting there watching. And he said at first, wow, you can't as a young coach do that to a legend. But then he thought about it.

And he said, you know what? Mike was right. The game wasn't over. And this guy's going to be a problem. and we're going to have to deal with. And ultimately he was. But no, I don't think that ever went away, that thing with Dean that he felt. And listen, in year two, I have a scene in my book, Colin, where they lose at Princeton, Duke does.

And an assistant coach, Bobby Dwyer, was looking for Coach K after the game, couldn't find him, walked down a hallway, opened some doors. And he opened one. And there was Mike sitting along crying. He thought already in year two, he was losing his hold on a dream job. Then he loses at home to Wagner in year three. Meanwhile, Valvano is also winning a national title next door. So it's amazing that he survived those first few years. And the AD at the time, Tom Butters, who hired him out of Army with a 9 and 17 record,

doubled down and gave him a contract extension, which seemed crazy. It turned out to be the best decision in the history of the sport. You know, for most of my young years in this business, John Wooden was the standard, the pyramid of success. You know, Shoshchevsky's got far more wins. is what Shishchevsky's doing now as impressive as what Wooden did then? I think more impressive. I do.

I think Mike Shishowski is the greatest college basketball coach of all time. I think it's one in one A. I would put Wooden as one A. Luke Carnaceka, local for me, Hall of Famer, if you edit all of his wins, 528 or so on top of John Wooden's wins, it still wouldn't reach Mount Shishvsky. Wow. You'd be about 12 short.

Wow. So I think 530 some odd extra wins. is a tiebreaker for me. I know a lot of people say, hey, 10 to 5 in national titles, it's hard to, maybe it's 10 to 6 in a little bit here. It's hard to win that argument. But John Wooden had to win four games to win a national title. And Mike obviously had to win six. And there's so much more parody today in college basketball, Colin. And I just think Wooden had a monopoly on high school talent today with the proliferation of cable TV. You see so many more Division 1 programs with access and visibility and obviously the one and done era that Coach

Kay had to adapt to and ultimately embrace. I think his record, again, when you look at the staggering amount of wins over 1,200, I would put him slightly ahead of John Wood. You know, it's funny. I've watched him in this tournament, and he's a little more gentle with the officials. As you well know, he is a legendary barker. You covered him years ago and found that out firsthand. he does have his critics. Are any of them ever right? What are they saying, are any of them right? Sure, of course.

And I think I covered extensively his flaws and mistakes in the book. He's not good at ever apologizing. He is very sensitive to criticism. He likes to give out criticism, but he's not really good at fielding it. And I guess that's most human beings, right? Right. And so, and listen, I have people quoted in the book. Pete Gillen went on the.

record and said as an offensive strategist, Mike is basically above average. Now, Gillen didn't say that, but what he did say, and he, of course, coached in Virginia is when you coached against Mike and he might be the best ever in terms of motivation, obviously a great defensive coach, but offensively, you never walk away and say, I need that set. I need that play. And just X's and O's, that really wasn't his strength, particularly on that side of the ball, but he was a Vince Lombardi like motivator.

Yeah. And he confined Belichickian prep. with Lombardi-esque emotion, and that's what made him the best ever. By the way, when it's really interesting to think about this, his last game at Cameron Indoor, he not only loses, he loses big and he loses to his rival. Boy, I bet that was a bad 24 hours. You didn't get bothered him? Oh, God, yeah.

Of course it did. You saw his reaction. He scolded the crowd. He basically told the crowd to shut up. He scolded his team, his current team, and then he scolded some of the guys in the stands who gave up their weekend to the former players when he said, hey, by the way, you guys weren't so great sometimes either. I just looked at some of their faces and it was funny, the reaction.

But that obviously bothered him. It's certainly going to bother him a lot more if he loses to North Carolina in New Orleans in the final four in his last game. But at the end of the day, if I were him, I'd look at it this way. If he loses this game Saturday night, hey, I won the same amount of national titles as Dean Smith and Roy Williams combined. I still have a winning record against North Carolina. and listen, does he really need six national titles instead of five? I think his legacy is set. Yeah.

Obviously, this would be a huge victory for him. But again, Roy Williams plus Dean Smith equals five national titles and Coach K-1-5 by himself. So I think he can live with that. I don't see him going into retirement. You know, some guys are just, he's too feisty. Well, what's he going to do? He's not going to sit around a golf and play bridge. That's not really him, right?

He'll give some corporate speeches. is he's keeping his office on the sixth floor since the excerpts of my book came out, though. He's made it a point to say he's not going to have any control over the program. He's not going to try to impose his will on John Shire. Let's see how that plays out. He doesn't play golf. He doesn't read much. He does like to garden around his house.

He tends to his gardens. He's going to do some speaking for quite a bit of money and rightfully so. But he's a coach and he's keeping his office. And when Shire needs some. some counsel. I'm sure he'll go to Mike. I'm sure recruits on campus will be ushered into Mike's office. It would make sense. He says he's going to be mostly an ambassador and that's it. But again, let's see how that looks in about two or three years. Okay. Coach Kay, the rise and reign of Mike Shoshkevsky, let's put that up again.

Just if you love history and the greatest college basketball coach of all time, somebody's going to probably be Ian, write a book about Sabin when he leaves. It's fascinating stuff. and Ian, you know, I love you. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Hey, my pleasure, Colin. Thank you. All right. His research is so impressive. I could not write a book like that. Well, obviously, I couldn't write a book like that.

But the stories are, as I read the book, I'm like, how does he know that? How did he find that out? How did he find that? When you find out what people are eating for lunch 22 years ago, that's research. Journalism, my friends, it still matters. You have a brain like that, though. Yeah, not like that, no. To remember things.

I can remember stuff. Did you get my Cincinnati Reds rant last week? I was here for the Cincinnati Reds rant. I had people on the street stop me and say I needed help. They felt bad in medication. I'm not going to sit here and say I wasn't concerned. But it's just how your brain works. You remember these things.

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So this weekend, big college basketball, NBA is going to start to heat up. I was thinking about this. So the Warriors, they just melted down last night. Everybody's hurt. Steph is hurt and Draymond's hurt. Clay this year is not quite clay. Wiseman's hurt the big guy. So right now, I mean, Steve Kerr's mad is madder than anybody else's man.

It's amazing. He's so remarkable. As a broadcaster, as a GM, as a coach, as a player, he is feisty. but they're falling apart physically and, you know, the West is very good. What this makes me think of because they're just, it's just, they're coming unraveled here, a little unglued, and a lot of it's just injuries. They have an old roster. You know what this tells me, Phoenix, and I've predicted they'll win the championship,

they're going to roll through the West. And it's funny. Fans often complain about media bias. And a lot of times I'm like, you know, it's like the cancel culture. Take a deep breath. It's been around forever. But, you know, fans are right about this because Phoenix analytically is so far and away the best team in the NBA. And who do I cover?

The Lakers. Who does everybody else cover? Brooklyn and Kyrie and all their drama. The truth is if you look at analytics, Phoenix is not only the best team, they're going to fly through the playoffs. The one or two teams out east may give them pushback. But Phoenix, so Phoenix has a best record by eight and a half games in the league. Analytically, they're the best clutch team in the NBA in years. They're net rating.

I know this is all boring. It's like 32 and a half. The bucks are second at 15. They're the best team. They have the best record. But there's no drama. They're healthy. Monty Williams never makes a headline.

Devin Booker doesn't make a headline. McHale Bridges never makes a headline. And the fans are right. The media is showing bias. Phoenix is easily the best team in the league. And we don't talk about them. They're more fun to watch than anybody else in the league. They play at a pace that's fantastic.

They pass. They don't rely on the three-point shot, but they can hit it. They're the best watching the NBA, bar none. Why don't we talk about them? The truth is, there's no drama. The coach is chill. The players are chill. Phoenix is a big enough city to talk about.

We talk about Milwaukee. But you know, we used to talk about Milwaukee more when we thought Yonis was going to leave. Now that he's not and they've won, nobody talked about Milwaukee. I understand the NBA is a story league. but Brooklyn and the Lakers, and I'm as guilty as anybody, get 10 to 20% of the coverage of the Phoenix sons. And this is where I think it helps Phoenix. Okay, this is where it helps Phoenix.

We all know they have a chance to be a dynasty because all their players except Chris Paul are young, right? So even when Chris Paul got hurt, they still won and often by a large margin. Is that in the NBA, when you win big, the media and the fans just, oh, Kobe, Shaq, warriors, heedles, and you get a publicity and the eagles go up and everybody wants to get paid and they just blow up. Phoenix could be the rare dynasty we never talk about. They don't have flashy players.

It's not a flashy coastal city. Their coach, Monty Williams, is one of the most chill guys in the league. They have virtually no egos. And by the way, McHale Bridges, they already paid him. Devin Booker, they already paid him. Chris Paul, they already paid him. Now they're going to have a decision on Aiton, who I would pay and I'd figure out a way to do it. I'd go over the cap.

I would keep them all together, keep the band together, pay whatever you got to pay in the salary cap, they got an ownership issue. That's another segment. But it's interesting. If you're Phoenix right now, you're probably looking at the media going, look at this bias. You're totally right. The upside to it is you have a chance to win this year. And I don't think the construct of the city, the team, and the franchise is going to ever attract glare.

Because your most valuable player isn't a score, Chris Paul, isn't a vertical play. player. He's not a highlight player. Your best player is really, I mean, really, you know what he is? He's the quarterback that drops back, never runs, distributes the ball, barks at teammates, great post-knap. It's a, it's a little Brady, New England. I mean, the reason the band never broke up is, you know, the Steelers had a lot of drama and go look around New England for all those years. It was Edelman, it was Brady, it was grumpy Belichick. I think one of the reasons it stayed together, They never got too glamorous. They never got too flashy.

And that's the NBA thing. When you win, I mean, you just take the, I mean, Michael Jordan literally had to go hide. He had to leave the sport. I mean, he could not go to a restaurant on the road. He had to hide in his hotel room. Phoenix, Mikhail Bridges, is never going to have to hide in his hotel room. And so Phoenix, you are right. The bias in the media is ridiculous.

I think it'll play to your strengths. and I think you're going to win going away this year in the NBA. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So it was kind of a little under the radar thing last week with Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah.

But he did not deny or confirm, I guess, that he wasn't going to be the starter. Yeah, Mike McDaniel never said. He was very elusive about it. Elusive. So it was kind of starting to make people think that maybe he is there. there to be the starter. Well, yesterday, Mike McDaniel, new Miami Dolphins head coach, addressed the comments. He said that Bridgewater will be the backup to Tua and the roles have been explicitly explained to the two players. Now, Teddy's contract is $3.5 million in

incentives, $6.5 million in base. So it's not like they're paying him starter money or, you know, in a position where he would be competing for the starting position. But the way that Teddy answered, it kind of alluded to like, oh, maybe I am here to kind of win the job. Now, listen, all players want to play. Yeah. They want to start. They want to contribute. So Teddy may be going into this, you know, next season and this training camp with the mentality that,

hey, maybe I will play good enough to win the starting position. And that could be a problem if two is struggles at any particular point or does have an injury, which, you know, both of these players are kind of injury playing players at this point. But I believe that they're going to 100% go with Tua this year. Yes. Which is the right decision to make. I do agree. I do think, you know, I've said this about.

Daniel Jones and Tua's won a lot more than Daniel Jones. You owe, forget the player. You owe yourself to find out if he can play. Forget the player. You owe your organization. Listen, with all their pieces this year, if they win 12 games, then I'm wrong on Tua. If they win 13 games, if they beat Buffalo, I'm wrong. I don't think it's going to happen.

But the Dolphins owe, because Tua has won enough with a bad offensive line, he does deserve, at least until Thanksgiving before you have a private meeting upstairs and say he's Gargai or he's not. Well, they never gave him the opportunity. Certainly not publicly. However they handled it in-house, I don't know, but publicly, they always made it very clear. They're not sure, and they're not going to lean into him as a starter. They had Ryan Fitzpatrick when he first got there. Ryan was a starter.

And then when he took him out, he was winning games. And that was confusing for everyone, which never should have been the situation because Ryan Fitzpatrick is not a starter in this league, which the market has agreed with me on that. It's nothing against him. We all love him, but he's not a starting quarterback in the league. He's been on nine teams. Nonsense. Why wouldn't Tua be starting?

You drafted him in the draft where you drafted him for a reason. He was supposed to be the future, see what it is. And then the next year you spent half the year talking about the Sean Watson, only for that not to be true. So then you have the fans confused. Are you in on Tua? Are you not into her? Should I be in on Tua?

Is he good enough? Is he not? And hello, players pay attention to that as well. Who's the guy? Who should we be leaning in on? Who am I supposed to believe in? So I think it's the right move for them to lean in on him for all of those reasons. You have to find out what you have in him as a young quarterback.

I'm not sure how it's going to play out, but I do think especially for this year because they have been so aggressive, brought in Tyree Kael, brought in all the pieces that they brought in. This is the perfect situation. If he doesn't succeed this year, he's not the guy. It's not his fault. The way that everything played out with the organization, I think they handled it terribly, but it is what it is.

And now all excuses are off the board. You're not going to be able to evaluate Mike McDaniel in entirety this year. But Tua, you have to find out. And the best way to do that is just to let him play. So Tyreek Hill is with the Dolphins. And the Chiefs did try to retain him. But Andy Reid is confident that the offense will be fine. We did try to sign Tyreek at a certain cost.

Once it gets past that, now you can see what we're doing here with the players we brought in. And we feel they're very good football players. So we'll see. I mean, the end result is going to be what takes place during the season. But Brett's building this thing back to where we feel comfortable so that we can go win on Sundays. Now, there's a story out there. So they went and got Juju Smith-Schuster. That was pre-Tirek.

Marquis Valdez Scanling. That was post. But he's a deep threat. So he does give them. He has unique speed. Jujut a year ago with an old quarterback, Ben, had 97 catches in the slot. I think the year before that, he had over 100. so he didn't do it much this year, but the offense was a mess.

So they're not sitting around waiting. They have 12 draft picks, and reportedly they want to get another receiver before the draft, which is a strong wide receiver draft. Miami will be better. I just, I'll argue, Kansas City is going to be fine. That is exactly how I would put it. You can't replace a talent like Tyreek. Yeah, he's 101.

With volume. That's right. right, which is what Kansas City is trying to do. Yeah. But teams have to move off of players all the time. Tyreek Hill is a unique talent. Yes. You can't just go find a Tyreek Hill on the market.

So in some way, the Chiefs will miss Tyreek Hill because he is that unique of a talent. Yeah. Will they still be competitive? Will they still be fine? Yes. Will they end up being as good as they were with Tyreek? Maybe. Because maybe they will find a receiver that they'll develop or,

maybe one of these guys will pop because they are working with Patrick Mahomes now. So they can be fine without him, but they're obviously great with him. So now we just have to see. Like Andy said, we've got to see how it plays out. Also, with 12 draft picks, it's a pretty good offensive line draft. They built that offensive line last year, Joy, in an offseason. And they had to. Okay, so isn't it reasonable to think?

They double down on it after receiver, the O line again. And so, okay, we don't have. have Tyreek speed, but we become a little better running team. Because they ace there. They got the center from Oklahoma. Humphrey's a home run. And then they kind of patched it together. It was good.

But let's double down on the O line and get a speed receiver. So is it possible they become a little more of a power team if they double down in the O line like last year? And by the way, if you have Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and you can see him in the windshield, the way to beat him is. get them off the field. Right. They almost lost to Buffalo.

So I could see Kansas City, Andy Reid, sitting now with Brett Veach and saying, listen, everybody thinks we need to replace Tyreek. What have we become a better running team? Because we're probably not going to be a better over-the-top team. But we could be a better run team after this draft. I expect them to go O-line running back. Not that there'll be a ball-controlled team with Mahomes, but they'll be better at it than they were with Tyreek.

They are reportedly trying to trade for a top wide receiver also. So, Jarvis Landry's still available. Odell's obviously coming off of an injury, but Odell could be out there. He's a free agent, so he could be someone that you bring in, and he comes in halfway through the season and contributes in that way like he did with the Rams. So there are still guys out there on the market that they could bring in and not, you know, leaning on a draft pick. But you got to adjust every single time. You're not going to have the same team year to year, and it can't be the end of the world because you lose someone, even as someone as valuable as Tyree Kill. So Bobby Wagner is still a free agent, mostly due to his asking price.

Multiple teams are interested, but they want to negotiate the price down. That includes the Rams. Sean McVeigh confirmed that they are definitely interested, but they have to weigh their options when it comes to the cost. He was reportedly looking for a one-year, $11 million deal. He could probably get that with Baltimore. Rams would probably give him seven and a half, and I would take it in one second. I would take the Rams deal as well, although Baltimore is not a bad landing spot.

It's not. especially, you know, at this point in his career, he obviously wants to get the most amount of money as possible, and he deserves it. I mean, he had a great season. Oh, he sees that first ballot hall of famer. Absolutely. I would play with the Rams.

I'm with you, and I never tell people to take less money. Take whatever money you want. It's what you do for a living. I'm not taking less money. So I agree with that. But if I'm looking at it overall as a football decision, while Baltimore would be a great situation, Baltimore is a well-run team.

they always have a great defense and it's a great place to play. You're playing with Amar Jackson. LA is the place to be right now when it comes to this kind of organization and what you can step in and do. Also, if Bobby Wagner is playing behind Aaron, Donald, and Greg games. Who are you playing behind? And you're on big TV games in the playoffs and you're making big plays. I'm sure Bobby doesn't need the money, but it's the Rams got Von Miller a lot of money.

the Rams may get OBJ a lot of money. They got Dante Fowler a lot of money. This is a great place to put your talent on display for a year. How do we know that a young team doesn't say, okay, because I think he would have another good year with L.A. I think we both agree. Of course, yeah. Okay, so he would say he's been their best defensive player forever.

So he comes to L.A., they win big. Weren't we all kind of shocked that Vaughn Miller got a 10-year deal or whatever it was? who's saying he couldn't ricochet off a year with the Rams. Yeah, into another multi-year deal. Yeah, I mean, Von Miller's 33 had injuries. What was the deal with Buffalo? Seven, eight years? Now, he's not going to get all that money.

But the point is, what the Rams have really become is kind of a rehab center for an older player isn't as old as you think. He's 31 years old. Yeah, he's got years left. So I, to me, play behind Aaron Donald, a lot of doubles. Yeah, Von Miller got a six-year deal. Yeah, I mean, and again, did you, when that came out of all the deals this whole off-season,

that was the one where I was like, Yeah, I thought it, what? I did not expect a six-year deal. Three-year deal, three-year deal. Well, a team option. Six-year $120 million. And Aaron Donald is returning next season. There were some rumors about him possibly retiring.

Sean McVeigh said he is returning. And, you know, he signed a six-year deal in 2018. So you're definitely playing behind Aaron Donald with the Super Bowl winning coach and quarterback and great other defensive players. I love the Rams for Bobby Wagner. I also think Baltimore would be a great place. But if it's me, I'm going with the Rams. Good stuff. Joy with the News.

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I'm good with it. I'm good with the current overtime, but I do think in the playoffs, there's data that shows that the better quarterbacks get the ball first in the playoffs. They win. What did you make of the NFL moving off their traditional overtime? Well, I think it was necessary. I mean, I think you have to think about not just players and coaches, but I think you need to think about the fans.

And everybody was left dissatisfied with what happened at the end of the Kansas City Buffalo game. And I think it's a simple tweak. So, you know, this was easier than the first tweak, where they actually, you know, made it to where it was a two-possession game if you didn't score a touchdown on the first series. But I just think this is fair. And I think sometimes you have to change rules that are simple and that are fan-friendly. I applaud the fact that they're making this change.

Okay, so USFL, you help create the overtime rule for them. What is it? Well, we're going to do shootout. I mean, we wanted to try something different. Again, we want to listen to the fans. What's exciting to the fans? A lot of people said they like the soccer shootout. And so we thought, well, let's adopt that into football.

And so we're going to have a three-play shootout. So each team gets three plays, you know, team-exam. A, I'll get the first shot. Team B, then gets a play, two points for each successful attempt, and you'll run three series. And then if it's whoever wins after the three series or has the most points wins, if it's tied, then we'll go into Sudden Death Series. And I think it's every play then becomes extremely exciting. By the way, the NFL has a history of watching other leagues and taking their stuff.

So the truth is, if this is really good and it's got a soccer style sudden death, I wouldn't be shocked if the NFL says, we're taking Pereira's idea, and we're going to bring it to the NFL. I mean, you know, you were there. They took stuff from the XFL, didn't they? Well, we took stuff from colleges. I mean, you watch all levels to see where you might make some improvements. And, you know, I mean, the new USFL is working now with the NFL.

And, you know, we have one simple change in the punting game with the NFL is really concerned about the safety of the punting game. It's mostly the gunners and the return players. We're working with them. We've moved the gunner inside so we can't run out of bounds. We're doing some things working with them. So the NFL is smart. I mean, when I was there, we were doing the same thing.

We were watching all levels of football. And we had the USFL then, Colin, too. So we would experiment with things at the USFL. I mean, the NFL Europe, sorry. Yeah. And so we're going to do the same thing now. They're going to do the same thing with us. Okay.

I don't like the NFL's pass interference penalty because I don't think 50-yard penalties are fair. I like the way college does it. I think college has a better pass interference rule where it's 15 yards. So what are you guys doing in the USFL? Well, I'll tell you, that was my one rule that I most disliked in the NFL. And I went to every competition committee meeting and said, let us change this. Let's go to the college rule. It's the hardest call on the field to make.

It carries the most punitive yards. I said, I sat in my office and reviewed video and nothing hurt me more. than to see a 40-yard pass interference penalty. And the call was incorrect. It shouldn't have been made. So I pushed and pushed and I never made any progress. So when I got involved in this, you know, in many cases, the Rules Committee was me. So I said, we're going to the college rule.

So same thing, maximum 15-yard penalty, except in that rare occurrence, that rare occurrence where it is so blatantly flagrant that the defender gets beat and he just wraps the guy up and tackles him, then we'll make that a spot foul. That's going to be, that decision is going to be made by the replay center, which is another element that I think is really exciting. The replay center will make that determination on whether or not it is a deliberate flagrant foul. I would say to you, 98% of all pass interference calls are run of the mill. they're not the flagrant ones, but to me, it makes it more fair.

And I said, I used to say to the committee, how could you justify a 40-yard pass interference on the defense? But then the offense does it, and it's 10 yards and no loss of down. It just never seemed fair. So that's a change I'm really excited about. Finally, PATs. A couple years ago, the NFL said, let's be less boring. People go to the fridge and get a beer after the touchdown.

Let's make people stick around for five minutes. and it has been wildly effective. We had no idea these kickers it gets into their head. PATs now are flying off to the right and left. What's the USFL rule on PATs? So we're going to go traditional with a twist. So we'll go the regular one point,

the extra point kick. If you snap the ball from the 15 and it's good, you get one point. If you run a scrimmage play from the two-yard line, you get two points. But we've thrown the element of a third attempt. That's a three-point attempt. attempt, snap the ball from the 10-yard line, it's a scrimmage play, you score, you get three

points. So what does that do? It actually means that a nine-point game is a one-score game, not an eight-point game. So we're keeping it closer in the fourth quarter, which is something that we really wanted to do. Yeah, so that's the key to that rule, is that I trail by nine, I can actually tie the game. So, and that is something, I'm interested about that. If I have Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. I'm down nine. A 10-yard play? I just watched 13 seconds become an exit for the Buffalo Bills. All right. Mike Pereira, former NFL VP of officiating. Now with the USFL, great to see you. You got the colors on. Love it. Thanks, man. You got it. I like what the NFL did earlier today. They said the day this says, we're not going to change the overtime in the regular season.

The coin flip doesn't mean you can't win. Make a stop. But the data now is showing us over a decade in the playoffs with Hall of Fame-level quarterbacks. If you lose the coin flip, you lose the game. And those are the biggest game. So the NFL did what I wish baseball would do more. They looked at data and said, let's just pivot really quickly. Let's just change it.

They took the data and the data said, you don't need to change it here. By the way, the NFL doesn't want long overtime because they don't want players hurt. Right. Keeping it the same in the regular season is I'm perfectly okay with. But you can't have all the rules better. benefit the offense, have the best offensive players in the league playing against each other, and then say get a stop. This doesn't make any sense.

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