The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Bold predictions

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

Colin shares 4 bold predictions for the upcoming NBA playoffs Thoughts on the NFL offseason and the upcoming Draft   Guest: Dianna RussiniSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, it's really, I love this time of the year. I mean, we just had March Madness was amazing. The Masters was my favorite Masters in forever. Masters has delivered so many times. There's just some things in my life that have always been there on Sunday. NFL, Sopranos for about a decade, and the Masters is very infrequently not delivered. And I thought CBS did a great job with it.

And this time we got all this NFL draft stuff. I do not remember a draft where I had stronger disagreements with friends and people I know. I like Sodor Sanders much more than people that I know in the league. I don't think he's an A prospect. I think he's a B plus prospect. But I think he's a really good kid, a really good player, better arm than he gets credit for. This idea that he's a pocket quarterback, he's not immobile.

He moves, he had to move. They had a terrible offensive line. He's fine. So I like him much more. I don't. I'm not into the Louisville quarterback who's like 27. I'm not into Jackson Dart. I like Kyle McCord. A lot of people don't because he, you know, he's a little Philip Rivers. Kyle McCord, pocket guy can make some risky throws, but he's competitor. He'll throw it into traffic. He'll take risks. He'll throw it downfield. He's not a thinking done guy.

So I think Kyle McCord with the right hands, he is really aggressive. Pocket passer, not a great athlete. but I like the fact that there's wide variations of opinions, that's what makes this job fun. So before I get to Diana Rusini, she's got great stuff on the draft and other things. I'm going to give you five, four bold predictions for the playoffs. Kind of bold. One of them is bold. Number one is I think the Joker, I think Denver's going to lose to the Clippers, although I think it's a very good series. He's going to average a 30-point triple double. First of all, if he's not on the floor, Denver's bad.

to play. And after Zubots, the Clippers have no center depth. Ben Simmons is their backup center. So he's going to have to log 40 minutes, and he's going to put up massive numbers. So he's going to have an all-time playoff series. I think the Clippers win. I think the Rockets upset the Warriors. Amon Thompson is their best athlete, Houston, and he guarded Steph the last time they played. He's a terrific player, terrific athlete. The roster's young athletic. They defend the three great rebounding team young they will not lose energy over the course of this series and i think the warriors are unbelievably step and jimmy butler reliant and the kaminga issue hurts they need kaminga to play real minutes with his length against the warriors and now he's a dnp coaches decision rockets

upset the warriors number three the detroit pistons will have more ejections than wins against the nicks first of all, they're going to struggle to stop Jalen Brunson. They have this year. Secondly, they're a very young emotional team is Detroit. They led the Eastern Conference with 10 player ejections, and they got a chip on their shoulder. And New York is a physical team and a chatting team at times, and they're going to frustrate that you know what out of the Pistons.

So I think New York flies through them. Pistons players have multiple ejections. And for the record, the next. Do not play the Cavs or the Celtics well. They're 34 and 10 against the rest of the East, so they're going to hammer the piston. And number four, Aunt Edwards will have multiple 40-point games against the Lakers. They're not a team that gets easy buckets. Gobert and Julius Randall don't have a history of scoring consistently in the playoffs.

Ant played great down the stretch. He's actually the last two playoffs been a very efficient player. He shoots better. So Ant's playing the best basketball of his career. And I think the Lakers defense may be, let Ant have his. We're not going to lose because Julius Randall goes off. So I think Ant is going to be highly productive. I think it'll be a wildly entertaining series.

But I just don't think the T-Wolves can consistently initiate enough offense. They'll have too many, if not wasted, possessions, too many difficult, clunky possessions. the Lakers between Austin Reeves playing the best basketball of his career. Luke is in better shape. LeBron's rested, ready to go. They're going to get more easy looks, easier transition to offense, and I think the Lakers are going to win that series in six. Diana Rusini, the athletic senior NFL insider,

plus you've got a great podcast with Chase Generals. So there's a weird story out there, and I don't know what to make of it. You talked about it with Chase. I said this, I think I said it Monday on the air, I didn't know Derek Carr was injured. And all of a sudden, he's going to miss the season. I'm on vacation.

I'm like, what? Where did that come from? Give me the, in my take it, are they sending a message that, hey, we're going to drive Shador Sanders, pal. So, you know, what is the story? Is that gamesmanship? What's happening with Derek Carr? This is so funny. My former colleague and very good friend, Jeff Jarlington, was covering the Masters.

And when he got back on Monday, he called him, he said, Derek Carr's hurt? What's happening? So he felt the same way you did. Where did this come from? Well, it was a late Friday afternoon news drop. That's probably why you missed it. And look, Derek Carr's had shoulder situations and issues, the rotator cuff. Yeah.

For a while. This has been going on. He has a history of it, right? But they restructured his deal. So if you restructure your quarterback's deal that is very Derek Carr friendly, then you have to believe that this organization didn't have any concerns that this would be an issue. upcoming season. So Friday in the news comes out that Derek Carr may miss this season. And I have to tell you, I immediately started getting text messages from people around the league

with, hey, this is fishy. Or I had one head coach say trade bait, right? Of this is what's, there's more to this story. So I did some digging on it. And I do think Derek Carr has a shoulder situation going on. I don't think he's lying about it. I don't think he's putting this out there. This is not who Derek Carr is as a human being. He's got high character. But I just think it's peculiar. And I think the team thinks it's peculiar.

I reached out to some people with the Saints when this all was happening. And they knew of it, meaning they knew something strange was boiling. Derek Har was looking to possibly get out of New Orleans after Dennis Allen was fired. And I don't think he wants to be there anymore. And I think

the Saints are committed to getting a quarterback in this track. I don't think they're going nine with it right now. I don't. I think they're going best player available here. I think I think they're going a pass rush. I think they're going to redo their front. That would make sense to me. But I think the New Orleans Saints going back to the end of the season did so much work on this quarterback class that I see them getting involved in some way, in some round here at quarterback. So what does that mean for Derek Carr? I don't know how this gets solved because to me this tells me he does, Derek Carr doesn't want to be there.

And how are the Saints going to sell that? Right. How are they going to sell it to their fans that this is our guy? Oh, he doesn't want to be here, but we paid him a boatload of money. So they either got to get some marriage counseling or just part ways. Okay, so I saw a story this week, and my projection on this, I was playing part sociologist or something. I said the Giants don't really care about Shudor Sanders. They're going to see him again because they want to send a message to the Saints and the Steelers.

Oh, no, no, we're going to take, forget Russell, Wilson, and James. we're going to take Shadur. So they go to Boulder. I mean, they've already got 50 games on tape. They've got the pro day. They've interviewed him. There's no secrets or mystery with Shadoor standards. He's been like Caleb Williams.

He's entirely public. They're doing this, and I think it's actually pretty clever, because they want to move down in the draft and solve their roster for Russell Wilson. They want to solve it and get more players. Am I wrong, or do they really, really are they considering getting another quarterback? The Giants GM, Joe Shane, lives a town next to mine. I see him all and his family around. I've seen Joe Shane at more Colorado events than I've seen him in Bergen County, New Jersey.

You know, they've done plenty of work. They know who Shadour Sanders is. They know. And look, I do think there was a point, Colin, where there were people in that building that had him rank, number one, of this quarterback class. I think that's who they wanted. But I think the tides have changed. And I think there are still people there that probably want to go quarterback here.

But Joe Shane spoke to the media this afternoon. And I think he tried his best at keeping this quiet. But to me, my takeaway was they're going best player of Elba 3 for the future of this Giants organization. And they've got James Winston and Russell Wilson on their squad now. My question for them, though, is this who you really believe is going to save your jobs? because that is what's at stake here. It's their jobs. And for them, if that's how they feel.

But, yeah, I'm with you. I think there's a lot of smoke. The owner's not even going to the private workout. So that tells you what you need to know. But we'll see what happens in the next few days. So I know this isn't a classic NFL question, but I think it's a fascinating story. College football just had their first holdout in the history of the sport.

Nico I'm Aliajave. I got it right. There you go. I've been practicing that for two days. So talented kid goes to a lot. Tennessee paid two and a half million red shirting. And then all of a sudden, story comes out, I want four. And Tennessee's like, okay, we're done here. Which the kid's talented. I thought there would be a bidding war.

Well, now you hear stories that Belichick's not interested. There's not a bidding war. It's like the rest of college football is holding the line saying, we're not going. And I said earlier, quarterback dad has become pageant mom. It's crazy town. Are NFL people monitoring this? because I thought, Diana, that if he had a really good year at Tennessee, he was a first round

quarterback, maybe the second or third best quarterback. What are you hearing? It is the Wild West right now in college football, and that's the problem. And there's too much unknown. There's not a lot of people who know how to navigate it. And there's bad counsel happening, counsel from parents, from agents, friends, family. So you look at this situation and you apply to how the NFL is viewing it. And they're watching this because that story was the hottest topic without a doubt over the weekend. I had one general manager share with me that the notes that are being taken on this is not

so much about players that are investing in their careers and trying to make the most money. They understand that. That is the 2025 world that we live in right now. It's our players now choosing themselves and making themselves the priority over the team. He shared with me that he met with some of these draft prospects, and some of these guys were telling him that they had other opportunities at other schools that were going to pay them more money, but they liked the program that they were part of, and that they felt that their

teammates deserved that commitment from them, despite the fact that they could make a lot more money somewhere else. So, yeah, the NFL is definitely, decision makers are watching the character of a lot of these players. But the overall view of what's happening, I don't think anyone is getting blame in any of this. The only one that's getting blame right now are those that are running the NCAA. Right. And I think that's how the NFL space is looking at it, while also taking note of character of how these guys are navigating this.

So I've been critical of Aaron through the years, but I've always said, regardless of how you feel about ayahuasca, a lot of artists do it. He's more artist and accountant. I get it. the vaccine stuff, whatever. A lot of Americans didn't want to take it. I got friends that didn't want to take it. Like, I'm not going to judge him on that, and I did think he played well down the stretch.

But I said, I think he's too smart to make a dumb decision, and I don't get Pittsburgh. Defensive culture, shaky O'Line, lost Naji Harris, high-maintenance receivers, great division with Burrow and Lamar, and I think Aaron's a bright guy. And if I saw him personally, I'd tell him. Sometimes you drive me nuts, but you're smart. I think he is sitting there, and he knows, listen, I got about a year left. I don't move very well. I got a lot of money.

I don't want to go in Pittsburgh. I think he's sitting smartly waiting for the draft with his eye on Minnesota. Or if the Brock Purdy negotiations go sideways. I think that Pittsburgh stuff is a ruse. He knows it's fools gold. What? I mean, I know he doesn't talk much, and he mocks the media. But is there a feeling in the league?

He's just waiting to see how everything falls out on the draft weekend. Absolutely. This has been going on for months. This has been going on since Aaron Rogers had conversations with the Minnesota Vikings. While Minnesota will make it very clear and known, and they want you to know that Aaron was the one that was pushing for that, that he called Kevin O'Connell, who he has a very good relationship with. And there was a time where they did serious homework on him.

and considered it. How could you not? Four-time MVP. He's a Super Bowl champ. How do you not say, hey, maybe our young quarterback coming off an injury just may not be ready.

That's realistic. That's the reality of the Viking situation. But they made a decision as an organization to say, nope, we're closing that door. But they haven't shut it. They haven't completely said it's off the table.

What do they keep saying? Let's see how spring goes with J.J. McCarthy. I don't know what they're going to learn at OTA. there's not much that happens, but Minnesota needs to see something, right? So, yeah, I think, I'm with you. I think Aaron Rogers is definitely sitting back going, I want to go to a place where I can drop right in like Tom Brady did in Tampa Bay

and win a Super Bowl this year. I don't think the Pittsburgh Steelers are built to win. The Minnesota Vikings are built to win. We know the Rams were his number one choice. They're no longer on the table anymore. Those aren't in his cards. So I can tell you, I spoke to Pittsburgh this morning. No updates.

Think about this. No updates. Right now at this point is we're a week out from the draft. They still have no idea whether or not Aaron Rogers is going to sign with them. They still want them. But I just think Aaron knows he's got the leverage in the situation here. And he may just sit this thing out and wait. And what if there's another team, Colin? Forget Minnesota.

Let's say Minnesota really truly shuts the door after whatever they're going to see in OTAs and J.J. McCarthy. And they go, okay, this is our guy. Maybe there's another team that has a quarterback that goes down during training camp that Aaron Rogers believes is a team built to win. Finally, I said this to Frank Reich the other day. I said, I've got this theory. Steve Kerr talked about this after a game about two weeks ago. He said, there's never been more money in the NBA,

and owners have never been richer, but they'll fire a staff in a heartbeat. I mean, we just saw the Nuggets, the Sons, I mean, Nuggets are a playoff team. Memphis is a playoff team. Owners now just fire guys. viable playoff teams. Do you believe, I believe

owners have more say on draft day than GMs and coaches are comfortable with? I think Stan Cronkey is a little bit of an outlier. The Hunt family is a little bit of an outlier. Do you talk to GMs and they ever say, yeah, well, we'll see on draft day who we draft? I mean, do you sense this? Yes.

There's versions of ownership's presence in the, these draft rooms and they're involved in. You've got some owners who will say they're not involved, but their body language tells you everything you need to know. And if you're the general manager employed by this owner and you're watching and you're reading that, you're probably going to make a lot of your decisions based on what you're sensing, maybe even going against some of your own belief, knowing that you probably want to keep your job, right? So you have that version. Then you have the others. And I'm so glad you asked me this question because I just had this conversation yesterday with the head coach about his specific owner's involvement.

And we talked it out kind of roughly that probably 13 to 14 owners in football are probably heavily involved on draft night in terms of this is what I think. This is how I think we should go in which direction. And Colin, we could probably do a whole segment and rip through every team and what we think in terms of that owner. But it's happened. It happens every year. I mean, it makes me look back on last year.

a little bit. You know, when, when, let's use Denver as an example, right? It, they kept that so quiet. And it, to me, from the outside, it looked like ownership in Denver went, hey, Sean Payton, you're the smart one here. Yeah. We brought you here to go find the queue. Go get them. Hands off. Then you have others where I wonder in Atlanta, the situation there that night. That shocked me. We knew Michael Pennix Jr. stock was up. I, I just, didn't expect him to land in Atlanta.

I'm curious how much involvement ownership had in that one. I just think there's a lot more of that happening than you realize. Yeah. Or at least others. I mean, you realize it, but it's layers and levels of the involvement. It's how much they want to know. And by the way, I've spoken with head coaches and GMs who tell me their owner will text them on draft night. Good luck tonight, buddy.

So there's versions where they lay off. But I think there's a lot more that have their hands in it than not. Good stuff. Diana Rusini, senior NFL insider for The Athletic, which is great. Also has a podcast with Chase Daniels. Tell people what the name of that is again. I love that you put up covered since 2015. It makes me look like I'm 75.

2015 was a long time again. It was. Wow. Scoop City, by the way, is the name of that podcast. Very, very good. Very funny. Thanks, go. Good seeing you.

Diana Rusini. Yeah, her and Chase do a great job, that very interesting yeah the ownership situation is i did this yesterday we still have the graphic i said i have a circle of trust in the nfl where i think you have a certain hierarchy where you have owner gm coach and quarterback i've always believed you have to be an at an a minus minimum on those four to consistently win a super bowl now nick seriani i see as a c coach in philadelphia one so maybe they're a plus plus plus plus plus plus at ownership a plus plus plus plus plus at gm Siriani's obviously better, you know, I'm not as high on Brock Purdy, so I see him more as a B quarterback.

But I only have eight teams in the league that I would put in my Tier 1 circle of trust, and then about seven in a Tier 2 where they check a lot of boxes, but not all of them. So it's a draft, I've been lucky. So Tier 1 in this league, Buffalo, Baltimore, Philly, Detroit. Yes, Detroit's really well run. Don't love the ownership, but they're very well run upstairs. Kansas City, Rams, Green Bay, San Francisco. And then Tier 2 are, there's a lot of things.

I like John Snyder, the GM in Seattle a lot, and I like the roster. We'll see on the coach and quarterback. Denver, again, I love Sean Payton. New owners, a lot of money. Roster's pretty good. Chargers, I'm okay with, but boy, they are hard to predict in big games. Tampa, I love the GM. I like the quarterback.

The coach is okay. Minnesota has been well-run for as long as I can remember. I go back to the 70s they were making Super Bowls. Quarterback right now, we'll see. Houston, love the coach and the quarterback. Front office is better. It deserves a lot of credit. They've drafted really well.

And I think Washington, we all thought they would be better. I think we were all shocked they were that good. So, yeah, but there, I mean, that's right there, I'm giving you 15. The league's got 32 teams. That's less than half the league. There are, there's a lot of Cirque de Soleil on draft weekend. There's a lot of hoops, and people just, jumping around and a lot of suspense and drama that is that is not scripted.

It's, I've been in one draft room in my life and it was not chaotic. It was the Chargers. The Spanos family was there. The sons work in the building. It was not meddling at all, but it was fascinating to watch it work. The Spanos family had a reputation for years. They were a little cheap. I don't think that's fair now.

I think they're spending money on Herbert and Harbaugh, the staff. They got, they're spending money. But it was a fascinating to watch. because there are clearly, I mean, Dallas is a cartoon, but there are clear, Indianapolis right now, I mean, Chris Ballard wakes up every morning, and I mean, between Andrew Luck retiring and Carson Wentz being forced after a really good season, Chris Ballard's basically just like,

yeah, you're waving the white flag, you're just bailing water at quarterback. So it's a lot more upstairs determines outcomes than people think in this league. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new?

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I'm not showing up, and they said, see ya, we're taking a stand. Urban Meyer said, Tennessee is screwed. They got a problem. Everybody's saying, nice job, Tennessee, taking a stand. Yeah, Tennessee plays Florida, usually every year in October. Can you imagine, said Urban Meyer, the game. going the other way and coach hypoe grabs the mic stands at the 50 yard line in neelan stadium and says hey it's okay i'm in a stand way back then it's an interesting way to look at it which is

you could make a lot of stands in life the kids talented and you're not going to get somebody better than him and it's the SEC and if tennessee is a dramatic football program they run through coaches they right i mean what's the last time Tennessee back-to-back years didn't have major drama I mean, they've had it since Phil Fullmer left, and he's still around the program. So you can take a stand in life, but at some point, sometimes you lose negotiations. You can't win all of them. So it's an interesting perspective from Urban Meyer, who's coached in the SEC. Everybody can say, well, we took a stand.

Well, can you beat Florida in October? Because that's all people care about. Everybody here for Tennessee that's, like, really happy about taking a stand is, well, you're going to be worse at quarterback. And now last year's team made the playoffs. and was mostly known for its defense. So they've got a good staff, they've got good players. It's a great program. But it's been a bit of a sleeping giant for the last 20 years,

mostly because it's always got unhinged drama all over the program. So if you had had told me, oh, one of the major SEC schools has major drama, I would have guessed Tennessee. I mean, it's just who they are. So, you know, Greg Popovich took a stand on Kauai. I don't like all this mystery. Yeah, six straight losing seasons. Remember, Pop, took a stand.

Oh, our doctors say he can play. And we're going to ship him off to Toronto. We'll show him. He won a trophy. You haven't made the playoffs in six years. So, now, congrats on getting Wemby. But I like the perspective by Urban. You're not going to be as good at quarterback.

You're screwed. Jordan with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Caleb Williams, perhaps looking to make a stand, Colin. Looking to build on his rookie season, hopes to take big steps under new head coach Ben Johnson. Caleb recently sat down with Esquire for an interview and said that while he thinks other quarterbacks in the league are, quote, great guys.

He added, quote, I think the NFL game has become too friendly and I don't necessarily want to be friends because I want to keep that competitive. advantage a la Rory McElroy. I love it. I also think this is a little NBA 90 style and I credit him because a lot of guys want to be friends with other stars. It's cool to be

friends with other stars. Caleb's saying I don't need that. I need to win. I need to deliver on the promise of a quarterback in Chicago. Listen, Michael Jordan was tough on his own teammates. Yeah. I'm not into this friend stuff. Never when Last Dance came out and Bill

Winnington and Pax and they said, you know, MJ, he wasn't a good guy. It was kind of a jerk. But they loved and respected him because they won. If Caleb's a jerk and he wins, it doesn't matter. No, they're like, Jay Cutler was very disagreeable. Yeah. But he didn't win enough. Correct. So, so you, and by the way, Jeff George years ago, Jeff George. Very disagreeable. Doesn't win enough. Great arm. Peyton Manning wasn't, I mean, Peyton's a really nice guy. Uh, but Peyton will bark and, you know, Peyty. Tom Brady. So if you win, it doesn't matter, but I don't need all this kumbaya. We're all buddies.

I'm not into that stuff. There has been a lot of speculation about the future of Eagles tied in Dallas Goddard as he enters the final year of his contract. Philly has been reshaping its roster as it prepares for their Super Bowl defense and how he rolls when the GM address how the Goddard situation will impact their draft strategy. The way we look at the draft is it's a separate entity to anything else that's going on. We've got to make good decisions in the draft based on who the players are that are available in the draft. We can't make up any positions and make them better than they're not.

We have to really have a true process. So it really doesn't affect us. We try to do as much as we can at any position in free agency to try to make sure that we're not in a position where there is needs. You know, Howie Roseman, as good as he is, would be the first to acknowledge that you hit on about 55% of your draft picks. Now, they've taken some real risks on, like Jalen Carter had some character risk, and he was a massive home run. But this draft, good drafts, you hit on 55% of your players. Bad ones, do you hit on 45? Yeah.

40. So Philadelphia is lucky that they nailed two corners. They'd been a little soft at corner for two to three years, and they nailed both corners last year, so their old line still young and viable enough. Philadelphia's got about a two to three-year run. here of arguably having the best roster in the league. Yeah, let me be clear, though. Dallas Goddard is available via trade. He's entering the final year of his contract, no guaranteed money.

It's a really good tight-end draft. It's not that he's not a good player. He's a good player, but he's also been injury prone. He's getting up there in age, and you can always find a replacement when the draft has that position. Yeah, it's a really, really, now I can see, honestly, I can see Howie Roseman moving up to go get a Loveland from Michigan. They're not going to move up to get the Eagle, the kid from Penn State.

No, he's going to go too high. Yeah, but I could see them moving up to get Loveland. He was not your traditional tight end. He can split him out. Well, let me tell you about Loveland. I was told he can go anywhere in the 10 to 21, 22 range. Yes. He broke the Michigan all-time record.

56 catches this season, 6-6-248. Yeah. He can run. You can move him out. You can move him outside. He's got a little Brock Bowers where you can move him out. out in the slot and he can go, he's a really interesting player. Yeah, so a lot of hype around Tyler Warren, justifiably so.

But Colston Loveland out of Michigan just down the road is going to be a star going to be available in that 10 and 22 range could be a Philly target. Speaking of tight ends, Mark Andrews, another very good player could also be on the move this off season. Andrews season will be remembered for his drop two point conversion against Buffalo in the AFC divisional round. and during his pre-draft press conference, Ravens GM Eric Dacosta was non-committal on his tight-ins future. I'd never know what's going to happen, Jeff, and I would never want to say this with that.

You know, but I can tell you this, Mark Andrews is a warrior, and he's played his butt off for us, and his competitiveness, his talent, his attitude, his leadership is so valued here. And he's a great player. and I think we're in the business of keeping as many great players as we can. So there's always a lot of unpredictability with the draft. You just never know. So there's a lot to unpack here. But Mark Andrews entering the final year of his contract, no guaranteed money,

$17 million cap hit. If Baltimore were to part ways with Andrews, Colin, they would now gain $11 million in cap space. He also comes off the lowest yards per game under $40. since his rookie year. And a bad playoff game. Bad playoff game. And keep in mind, Baltimore not only has Isaiah likely who's primed to become tight-in one, really good. Yes, and it's also a good tight-end draft. So, yes, so I was going to say, really good tight end in the making, and likely, excellent tight-end draft. And oh, by the way, the Ravens have 11 picks tied for most in the

entire draft. So it would be vintage Ravens to say, you know what, Mark Anders, you've been a great player here, all pro, we're going to move on from you. You're 20 and He would have a market. He would absolutely have a market. And that's why now's the time to do it. Before he gets to be 31, 32. He's 29, final year of his contract. I could see Sean Payton and Denver going and getting him.

Yeah, they need a tight end. Well, they actually just got the tight end from Evan Ingram from Jacksonville, although it wouldn't be bad to get two. Yeah, they did get Evan. Yeah, tight end was a need. But Sean Payton loves tight ends. He loves tight ends. Obviously, Jimmy Graham.

If you got another one. for Bowdo-Nicks, that would make sense. And Mark Andrews is not washed up. He's getting to the point where he's not going to become a valuable, but he still is a great wide receiver draft, and they've got Cortland Sutton, but not really a trustable number two receiver. Right.

So do they want to go heavy with tight-end packages? Yeah, yeah. So we've talked a lot about Travis Hunter, and he's an excellent player, but as we get closer to the draft, specifically whether or not he'll be able to keep playing both ways on the pros. Now, despite Hunter's confidence,

John Harbaugh, Raven's head coach, not as optimistic, saying, quote, to say that you're going to be completely immersed in everything that there is to know on offense and defense, I don't know if there's enough hours in the day. Colin, how confident are you and Travis Hunter's two-way abilities at the next level? Oh, I think he's a great athlete. I think in any draft, he'd be a top 10 pick. I would just play him at receiver more than corner, but I think he has something that people have talked about this. Joel Klatt talked about this.

He can play 80 snaps in a game. and by the 80th snap, he still has the same energy. That's like when Michael Jordan used to play 18 holes. Before the playoffs. And by the way, in May or June, he would be playing outdoors 18 holes and then go spot 42 in a playoff game. Some people, and I've met, I've had a couple friends in my life like this, they just got energy. They're just genetically wired. They don't sleep much.

They're five-hour night sleepers. this kid's energy level, it's incredible. Every snap, end of a game, still making plays. So I think he's going to go to a bad team. And bad teams need great electric players. They're like a cheat code. Yeah. And so I would, if I'm New England, I'd play him 75 snaps a game,

more on offense than defense, but I'd be good with it. Transcendant talent. And you said yesterday, there's more money to be made at receiver. That's true. but if he can play 25 or 30% or maybe just certain packages at corner, that is incredibly valuable. And I mentioned this yesterday. I want to elaborate on it.

The fact that he knows both positions so well, isn't that going to be an unlocked cheat code at the next level, understanding what the opposition wants to do? That's a value. Yeah, I just, I mean, I think receiver is a hard position as a rookie because so much is timing with a quarterback. And if your quarterback doesn't have time, you have a bad offensive line like New England. But I think Corner is one of those you can walk in as a rookie.

Running back in Corner. They're very instinctive positions. He could start day one at Corner. And if you told me at the end of the year he was a top four corner in the league, I would not be shocked. I would be shocked if you told me he's a top four wide receiver. Because so much, I mean, Brady was taking his receivers on vacations. Right. So much of receiver is timing.

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Tomorrow I'm going to do, I don't do a lot of mock drafts anymore because I think you're just basically signing up to be wrong. And I don't mind being wrong. Every Monday I do Colin Wright, Colin wrong. I don't know why more people don't admit in politics especially. Why can't just people admit on MSNBC? You were wrong a lot. Just say it.

Just own it. To be on Fox, MSNBC, CNN, just own it. But mock drafts are ridiculous because what's going to happen is Cam Ward's going number one and then everybody just lies like nobody I mean I would take Shadour Sanders if I was Cleveland I would take Shadour Sanders uh I got a I got a coach I like in Kevin Stavansky he's very good with pocket quarterbacks I think Shadur Sanders is getting so nitpicked uh I think now he's undervalued you know if I was the giants I mean they went and got Russell Wilson so I'm but I'll have a draft tomorrow a top 10 or 12 on what I would

draft. I think though I do think one of the more engaging questions is what do you do with Ashton Genty, the Boise State running back? So my take is the kid out of North Carolina, the second best running back reminds me of a poor man's Adrian Peterson. He's not Adrian Peterson, but he is big and physical and he's going to be really hard. He was in college for corners and safeties to bring down. If he gets through the first line, he is a load and has great speed. So I tend to think you're going to get 85% of Ashton Genty with the second best running back in the class, and it's an incredibly deep class. But many people, and I don't think it's necessarily wrong or saying he may be the third or fourth best athlete in this class.

Like if you're Dallas, I mean, Dax's been good when he has a run game. What are you going to do? I mean, the Raiders are a prime example. Gino Smith. Raiders are a fascinating team. So Gino Smith last several years with the Seahawks. He's really good at one thing. Play action passing. When he has a run game and Gino can throw with a substantial run game, he's actually as a passer rating over 100. So the Raiders have their offensive line set. Colton Miller, they got their center last year from Oregon, they got their right tackle from Maryland, they have Gino a quarterback, superstar, tied-in receiver, Jacobi Myers.

They need a number one receiver. He may not be available in this draft, and you don't have to have a number one receiver. New England was winning Super Bowls. The only time they didn't, they had Randy Moss. I don't buy that you have to have a dominant number one receiver. I think as the weather gets cold, December, January, February. I mean, Tyreek Hill disappears late in the season.

It just doesn't matter. So, I mean, Kansas City's been fine without Tyreek Hill. Okay. So, but I do think Gino is ineffective playing in a division with Mahomes, Justin Herbert and Bo Nick, Sean Peyton, Jim Harbaugh, and Andy Reid. Gino's not good when it's third and eight, no run game, and he's got a throw, and everybody in the ballpark knows it. That's not good, Gino. That's interception, Gino. So to me, the Raiders are fascinating. I could see them getting Ashton Genty. okay now we got a run game an O-line a tight end we'll get another number two or three receiver

remember last year the Raiders with a staff a coaching staff that was not as good as Pete Carolyn Chip Kelly and a quarterback not nearly as good as Gino Smith they should have beaten the chiefs twice they were a tough out and Antonio Pierce good leadership guys played hard

I think Antonio Pierce was not the primary issue and I thought their GM Tom Telesco's a friend. I didn't think he was the issue. But there's no denying Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly is an upgrade in coaching. Gino's a major upgrade at quarterback, and this team was a tough out last year. So if we put the board up again on the draft, the really interesting team to me, and Pete Carroll's in his 70s, the slow build, that's why he likes Gino. It didn't want to have to groom some quarterback for six years.

Gino's what he knows. Gino got him to a playoff. Gino had a Pro Bowl season a couple years ago. The Raiders at 6, and I think this if I ran the Raiders, I don't love taking running backs in the first round, but in a weak draft, if Hunter's gone, they don't need a tight end because they got Meyer from Notre Dame two years ago and they have Brock Bauer.

They do not need a tight end. Otherwise, I'd take the Penn State kid. They don't need it. They need a running back for Gino, There's a big contingent within the Raiders building that would love to draft Ash and Genti. Now, that doesn't mean they will, but he's in play there. And you talk about Chip Kelly. His relationship with Gino was equally as important as Pete Carroll's.

That played so much into Vegas making the trade and then extending him, giving almost $67 million guaranteed. You give Gino a running game, Colin, as you know, he throws as good a ball as anyone, but he needs a running game. Yeah, no, his play action pass analytic numbers are fantastic. There are two Ginoes. You know, it's like Sam Darnold. There's two Sam's. When Sam has time to throw in a good offensive coach, Sam Darnold can be electric.

When Sam has poor protection, like the playoff game against the Rams, or destroy it before. A lot of mistakes. There are two Sams. They're two Ginoes. Like, you got the same Brady, Peyton Manning, you know, Aaron Rodgers. The great guys, you get the same Joe Burrow,

good protection or not. But most quarterbacks in this league, there are different versions depending on the run. run game, field position, time to throw. I think Ashton Genty to the Raiders, I think I'd pull the trigger on that. That's the play to me. That is the, you know, Pete Carroll,

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