The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Bradley Beal to Clippers, A.J. Pierzynski

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

More on the MLB All-Star game last nightBREAKING NEWS - Bradley Beal plans to sign with the Clippers   Guest: A.J. PierzysnkiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The idea of being a catcher today is not as daunting. is being a catcher in the 70s and the 80s with AstroTurf, although A.J. Persinski played in some of those turf fields like the vet in Philadelphia. So Cal Raleigh, it's just very few catchers have been prodigious hitters. Johnny Bench was, Mike Piazza was, Joe Maurer was, but he transitioned to first base eventually. Pudge Rodriguez, I think it was a big-time hitter. But that is asking a lot. So I'm going to get A.J. Persinski, again, he could hit.

I want to start with this, though. So, you know, camps are going to open up this weekend. And we know certain teams aren't going to be great. Like, I think we all kind of know, like, New Orleans is going to, it may go big game hunting next year in the draft. Cleveland. But there are a couple of teams, I think, like Dallas and Miami, that people think are pretty good. I think they're potential infernos. I think the team that could fall apart fast, like three weeks in, four weeks in is the New York Giants.

So Russell Wilson talking with Sports Illustrated says, Carmelo. Anthony gave him advice on being a great New York athlete. It's funny because me and Carmelo were talking about this. He's like, man, this is the perfect place for you to reestablish who Russell Wilson really is. Right. Not just how you play on the field, but what you do with the community and different things you're able to impact the people. You know, it doesn't get any bigger than New York City. So I think the Giants, I mean, you've got a coach in the hot seat.

You've got a rookie quarterback who's probably not ready to play. But if you go on a two-game losing streak, the fans, and the talk radio and the papers in New York are going to demand it. You have a general manager who I'm not quite sure knows what he's doing, and the division with Jaden Daniels now is serious. So, and if you look at their schedule the first nine weeks, there's nothing in the NFL close to it. It's got one and eight written all over it.

It is brutal. Jaden, Daniels, Dach, Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hertz, Bo Nix, Jalen Hertz, again, Brock Purdy in the Niners, Ben Johnson, Caleb William, Green Bay, Detroit. Our first nine weeks are brutal. And the Bears, I mean, let's be honest. Teams don't spontaneously combust. You can see the train wrecks coming.

You can see the infernoes coming. So I think my three teams that people, I think the giants, the dolphins, and the Dallas Cowboys could get ugly fast. And I can't explain Russell Wilson. I have never seen a quarterback almost booze. bizarrely go from highly elusive, very good, to wow, we've got to get rid of this contract. I can't explain it. Brady aged gracefully. Russell Wilson got old fast.

And what's going to happen with this schedule, even if he plays pretty well, it's New York. It's got a very loud and relentless media. They're starting one and four. They're starting two and six. They're going to want to see Jackson Dart, which is why I wouldn't. not have drafted Jackson Dart because they're going to demand he plays, and then you're going to have to stay with him for a year and a half and not draft a quarterback next year in a very good quarterback draft. This year was weak. Next year is outstanding. Could be six first-round

quarterback. So I think this thing has a potential mess written all over at New York. And with that, the opposite of a mess was that master class in TV production and a big event feel last night. The All-Star game was absolutely riveting. Fox Sports Baseball analyst 19 years All-Star World champ joining us. So, okay, so part of being a catcher is framing pitches. Okay, that's part of the art of it. And some of you guys, especially you veteran guys, I remember it for the first time with Johnny Bench.

I can remember as a kid watching the game. And Joe Garagiola would talk about Johnny Bench and framing pitches. Okay, now you got the new system, the ABS. And it kind of takes that away. Does it not? Are you a fan of it? I love it. But did it really take anything away from the game last night?

Because they still had to decide, do I want to tap my head? Or do I not? And they got one wrong, right? Now, Cal Raleigh, who we're going to talk about, hopefully, because he is unbelievable. He's one of the best. I think he was nine for nine in spring training at doing this with his hand on his head, and him and Scoobol stole a strike guy right there. But it doesn't take away the value of framing at all.

If they went to full-time Robooms, it would. But this is cool, man. The fans loved it. The players love it. the TV loves it. It's great on TV, as you see right here. Look at Scoobel's reaction. He's like, yep, I knew it. It was a strike. But I love it. I think it's great. And I love the challenge system because of this strategy of who gets the challenge and who does it is going to be fascinating. So there was a lot of pushback. And I've said this years ago, I thought baseball, Bud Seelig overreacted to do a tie in the All-Star game and made the All-Star game decide home field advantage. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me, 162 games. And an All-Star game is going to decide that was bad. overreacted. Now it doesn't. And so to me, I love, you know, the commissioner's choice, the legend,

Kershaw. I love Ms. I want to watch Ms. I want to see a kid that's six, seven, throwing 100 miles an hour. Did it bother you that somebody with only five appearances became an all-star? No, it didn't. What bothered me was the way he got there. And this is nothing against Ms. at all. But how many guys had to say no? The Phillies were mad, but you had Ranger Suarez couldn't pitch. You had Jonathan Sanchez couldn't pitch. They all said, no. So guess what? You can't just keep going down Phillies until you run out of people. So they went to something that somebody wanted to see, right? They went to Ms. Ms. Ms. is exciting TV.

Ms. v. Paul Skeins that Wednesday. I've said this, Colin. Should have been a flex game like they do in the NFL and put it on Fox at 8 p.m. at night. So the whole country can see Ms. v. Skeens on national television, not on 1 o'clock, on a Wednesday on, no, against, you know, the Brewer's Network and the Pirates Network. let's make this possible because pitching matchups drive baseball ratings

and that is a big one and I had the only problem I had was five appearances fine but if we're going to make this an exhibition let's make it an exhibition let's get people there that the fans want to see and this is definitely one of those people so years ago people you know listen baseball more than any

sport in America the MLS hockey we don't talk about the history of it NBA we talk a little bit about Jordan NFL we don't talk about history we talk about Sunday's game but baseball, I mean, people still talk about mantle. And Shohay Otani makes you think about Ruth. That's okay. That's part of its charm.

It's a lure. It's lower and it's history. So when Rob Manfred did the pitch clock, it sped the game up. And there was a lot of pushback on it. And my take was, listen, baseball needs to kind of recalibrate what young people want to watch. They're on their phones. Speed the game up. Don't change it.

Just speed it up. Are you surprised that they're really as a measurement? a problem with the pitch clock the game's faster attendance is up the ratings are up did you think there'd be more pushback because there hasn't really it's just worked no i mean i thought there would be but there hasn't been because the players love it the fans love it the only people that don't like it maybe are the beer salesman in the stadiums but as a broadcaster i love it are you kidding me we used to do if we made it under three hours it was a miracle on the fox saturday games now if we go over two and a half hours We're like, what was wrong with our game? What took so long? What are we doing? Like, 2-17, 220? That's the average game time. And these are Fox with longer commercials in between breaks. So I love the pitchers have complained. Some of the older guys who came up with this in the minor leagues, the pitchers, they have no problem with it. The hitters love it. The pitchers love it. The fans love it. And there's more action, which I'm all for.

So you were a catcher for a long time. Joe Maurer was great, but he initially said, okay, I'm going to go play first base to extend my career. And back in the 70s and 80s, when you had AstroTurf in St. Louis, Cincinnati, Kansas City, it was brutal. Now, you did play in the vet, which is insane. Those round stadiums were ovens. But Cal Raleigh is fascinating because a catcher has to wear extra gear. It's heavier. You're in a crouch. So I'm always kind of amazed when a catcher, and I remember them talking about Johnny Bench losing 11 pounds, 11 pounds on a Saturday.

day game at Riverfront, like literally just that you could not keep weight on him, eight or 11 pounds. So are you surprised, I mean, take me through your experience of having to hit, you're one of 11 guys that played catcher with 2,000 hits. Are you surprised that Cal Raleigh, despite that what you're wearing, the crouch, how it beat you up physically, he's leading baseball and homers? Am I surprised? Yes, because look at his numbers. Last year, I think he had a career high at 30. He has 38 homers. I know he went. out this off season and changed some things with a swing. He's catching the ball way more out in front. He looks like a different guy. But here's the thing, Colin, you can catch you on a knee now,

and the gear is so light that it doesn't really weigh hardly anything. I'll say this. He plays in Seattle. Other than the travel, the weather there for a catcher is about as good as it gets, 65, 70 degrees. With a roof, if it gets too sunny, they can close the roof and make it shady for him. He's got a great chance to do something we've never seen. He should break the all-time catcher home run mark, which I Salvador Perez said a few years ago. Now, the question is, can he get to 60, 6570? I don't know, because catchers typically slow down in the second half, but if anyone's going to do it, listen, if your nickname is the big dumper, and he's one of the great guys in baseball, but the big dumper, if he can't do it, I don't know who can possibly do it, but he's one of the

best, he's got platinum glove, he's got silver sluggers, he's got all these things, now can he get the home run mark? This guy is a great player. It deserves a lot more credit. than what he's even getting. I think you can put him in the MVP race with Aaron Judge. Okay, so there's a lot of rumors. Jeter and Arod were talking about the Yankees making moves at the trade deadline. And in the NFL, free agency is fraught with overpriced guys coming in, not fitting the culture. You have to be most of the good teams stay away from free agency.

You don't want to bring in somebody. I always worry about in baseball or the NBA, especially baseball. You bring in a guy. And, I mean, first of all, like Devers. in the trade, Rafi Devers. There's so much pressure on him. It's totally in his head. So you have that. He's often seen in free agency or a trade at the deadline is you've got to save the team. Secondly, he doesn't necessarily fit the team playing in the team locker room. Some guys don't. So what is your, are the Yankees good enough? I mean, because the Dodgers have the most talent.

That's not even arguable. If they're pitching's healthy, it could be over. Cubs are very good. Do the Yankees, in your opinion, have to make moves at the deadline to win a series? Yes, I think they need to change up some things. And their starting pitching is actually pretty good. Now, losing Schmidt really hurts them. You have Schmidt down and you have Garrett Cole down. But Rodon and Freed are good at the top. They're back into their bullpen as long as Devin Williams is right is good to me.

I'd like to see them add some speed, right? Add some difference in speed because they're really a home run or nothing team. That's why the record in extra innings hasn't been good. They rely on home runs. And they hit a lot of home runs, but we've seen in the postseason, the pitching gets better, runs go down. That's why the Dodgers are so dangerous. That's why a lot of the National League teams are more dangerous to me. But in the American League, can the Yankees win the

league? Absolutely. But the Tigers are the team to beat right now. But the Yankees can do it, but I still like the Tigers. By the way, the Dodgers have struggled. Give me the best roster you ever played on. Maybe it's your White Sox World Series team. Have you ever been on a team that was really talented and kind of the wheels come off because of expectations? Because Right now the Dodger fans are apoplectic. Tell me the most talented team you ever played for that had a bad month. Well, first of all, Dodger fans calm down. I think the Dodgers get bored sometimes, and they're just like, yeah, we can lose seven in a row.

We'll be fine. Next week, all-star break. We'll have all-stars go there, and we'll be fine after the break, and they'll be fine. Listen, they're the Dodgers. They have more depth. Everyone's coming back. So everyone in Dodger, calm down. You're going to be fine.

You're going to win the division, and you're going to make a deep run in the post. season more likely. The best team I was ever on was not our 2005 team that won. We weren't the most talented. Our next year's team was way better. We traded for Jim Tomey, had like 10 all-stars. Go back and look at that 2006 team. You know what we did? We won 90 games and we didn't even make the playoffs. Didn't even make a wild card because our last month, we just all couldn't hit at the same time. I've never seen a team. Paul Kouderko, Jermaine Dye, Jim Tomey, all these guys that were all-stars, great players, just not be able to hit at the same time. Myself in there, too. It was crazy. We just ran out of steam, didn't make the postseason. So for me, it was my

2006 White Sox team, and it was sad. We were devastated. We were like, we won the World Series last year. We're going to do it again this year. We just collapsed. Yeah. AJ Prisinski is always great seeing. What a night it was for baseball last night. It was just from the president. Did you like that? I want to know. Did you like the home runoff at the end? Yeah, I do because my take is it's an exhibition. I don't want guys, if you, if you have to travel to Seattle from Atlanta, if you have to travel to Seattle from Atlanta, if you If you're a player and have to travel across the country and play in Sacramento, Seattle, Sandy.

I don't want you getting in at five in the morning. I get guys, I've always said this, AJ, about the NFL overtime. If you take the opening kickoff 90 yards for a touchdown, what I don't want is 15 more minutes of NFL hits on my quarterback, running back, and wide receiver, and left tackle. Once you go to extra innings in an exhibition or in a football playoff game, get it done as fast. as you can so it doesn't punish everybody the next week. Did it? Did you like it? I did. And I love Schwerver hit three. Of course he did, because he had a big home run in

like every situation in the world. But here's the thing. How cool would it have been to see Shoah, Judge, Raleigh, whoever else you want to throw in there, the guys who started the game, right? Take their top six home run hitters in the league and three in each league and do it that way. Nothing against Pete Alonzo and Chorber and Jonathan Arronda. Brent Rooker did a nice job in the home run derby. But it would have been really cool. Oh, hey, we have Show Hey, versus Judge, first round. Raleigh versus Alonzo, second round. And whoever you want to come up with in third round,

that would have been pretty awesome for the fans, who would have made the fans stay? You know, had everyone tuned in, especially in a close game. Yeah, the 2008 All-Star game was four hours, 50 minutes. It was 15 innings, and that is what you can't. That is what you absolutely can't have. Hey, I was there for the tie game. I was there for the tie game.

I have the ball from the last out. So I was the catcher in the last tie game. And that didn't end very well either. So anyway, to at least get a winner, I'm all four. Great seeing you again. Appreciate it. Thanks, Colin. Yeah, that was almost like when they overreacted on the All-Star game.

It's like when they overreacted on the Saints' pass interference colonies, the NFL said, okay, we're going to review pass interference. That was a disaster. It's like it was an All-Star game. I remember going on the air and saying, it's an All-Star game. It's tied. Who cares? Getting major pushback.

You've got to have a decisive winner. Really in an exhibition? It's like, it's almost like the substitute teacher in class. That day doesn't count. She never gives you a test. Like substitute teacher day, it's like, it doesn't matter. Blow bubbles in the back, you know, play that game. We used to play, you know, flick footballs in for, you know, paper football.

I just, to me, exhibitions, just get them over with. Don't get anybody hurt. I've always felt that in overtime's in football. And the reason I use this analogy, because the one time I really got hurt skiing was on the last run. And so every time I'm going to have a last run skiing, it's in my head. Slow down. Because you're fatigued. Your muscles are fatigue.

So if you go to overtime and football, college, or pro, you want it to end as fast as you can. You want them in and out one series gun. I don't care about fairness. If you're a home team and had 14 possessions and could not win in regulation, I don't care if you lose on the opening kickoff of overtime. I don't care. You're at home. You didn't have to travel. You had 14 possessions. You had the crowd in your favor. You could hear. You couldn't win

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Caitlin Clark has heard again. There's massive LeBron James trading rumors, which I don't buy, but a people are poisting up a potential Dallas Maverick's deal. The market is changing. JMAX all over that. Miami Heat also get mentioned. I don't know what Miami has to give them. I do think Dallas very uniquely has Gafford and PJ Washington and Lively and AD. They have the best big rotation in the league, I think by far. So they can give away a couple of them. They do not want to give up AD or lively, they may have to part ways with lively, but if I wouldn't make the move of, I'm the Lakers, but when you get new ownership and the Lakers have new owners, and they're very smart,

and they know the Lakers and the L.A. market, they're going to surprise some people. So I'm at least invested in the story. I think it's interesting. Here's J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. All right, Colin. All-Star game last night had a lot of ABS fun. I know you're all over this. We saw it early last night. So there was a challenge call in the first inning. Take a listen to three players, two players and an announcer talking about the ABS system. Oh, challenge. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it can come from the, it can't come from the dugout, but it can come from the booth. I think it's going to work. Let's see, Kyle. How'd you do? How'd you do? I think it's a strike. Anyway, you can get him, boys. There we go.

There you go, Cal. One for one. I had confidence in you. So, Colin, ABS, four for five last night. Let me look at it from two standpoint. Number one, this is awesome. It feels interactive, right? Like when you go to a museum and you're able to do stuff, okay? But if you're an umpire, you got to hate this, right? You cannot like this. I mean, you look like a moron missing this.

And there was one at the very last pitch of the game, I believe, that forced the home run derby. I just wonder how long umpires are going to be around after. I would call this a success last time. Well, we may have robots behind the plate soon enough anyway. I'm impressed by how, look at the player's reaction to it. Like, it's a little bit like unveiling. You know, there used to be that game show behind door number three. You all waited for it.

Let's make a deal. And it's got a little bit of a let's make a call to it. Like you kind of sit there and everybody's kind of waiting. I'm impressed by how fast they can activate it. It's over in 30 seconds. My first take was, I mean, I've watched college football games. The replay literally stops momentum of a great play. Like, it stops the game.

And so, like, I'm impressed by how quickly, how actionable that you get an answer. It kind of blows me away. NFL and NBA replay can take, like, literally 90 seconds, two minutes, three minutes. And they're looking at it from 50 angles, and it's very clear this was done in a heartbeat. I mean, the baseball has really... They're going to have to make football and basketball level up pretty quickly on this stuff, right? I agree. Yeah.

All right, let's go to the next story, and we teased it earlier in the show. But there's now a list of the top 10 wide receivers in the NFL. This is according to executives, coaches, and scouts. Jamar Chase was number one. I don't think there could be major quibble with that. Justin Jefferson checked in at two. Again, I don't think anybody could argue. What's interesting is rounding out the top five, they had Tyreek Hill number three.

CD Lamb for AJ Brown 5. Your guy Amon Rae St. Brown at 6. No Puka Nakua. In the top 10, I'm sure you have issue with that. Geryl Wilson, my guy, of the Jets checking in at 10. I thought Malik Nabors was a little

high. You can clearly see that he has a ton of talent if he ever gets a quarterback, look out. But your take on the list? Yeah, I'd have Pooka Nakua in there somewhere. But you've got to boot somebody. We're not doing this internet thing. Well, you're going to have him in. Who are you taking? out of the top 10. A little harder.

Probably Garrett Wilson. I think A.J. Brown, I take A.J. Brown over Tyree Kill. A lot of people say he doesn't have the statistical profile to be anywhere near the top five because he doesn't have the target share. Well, yeah. A.J. Brown played for Tennessee

with Derek Henry, run first team. And then he goes to Philadelphia. Sequin Barclay last year, run first team. They only threw the ball 24 times a game. And so, I mean, I look at A.J. Brown as he just hasn't had the environment. I mean, go look at Randy Moss's career. He was always talented. He plays with Tom Brady.

He's in 50-point games. Like, A.J. Brown played for run-centric Tennessee with Ryan Tannihil and Derek Henry. And it was kind of a physical Mike Frable team run first. And then he goes to a Philadelphia team, which Jalen Hurts, they literally after the five-week, fifth week, by said we're going to throw the ball less. So, and AJ Brown's always been like a little, you can tell with the book on the sideline.

He's a little miffed by the fact that don't use him enough, but I would put AJ Brown third if I had to make a vote. Oh, third. Wow. Okay. Interesting. A lot of people were saying he should be lower. I will say when he was in Tennessee, they were the number one seed in the AFC and he was a beast. Then he goes to the Eagles and they're in two

Super Bowls. Obviously there's a lot of players that factor in. I think AJ Brown is elite. I have no issue with that My thing is Tyreek Hill, Cullen. Like, if you're picking guys, I don't know that he's top five for me. Yes, the skill is there and the speed, but there's so much other nonsense that goes with this guy that doesn't that have to factor in? Yeah, I mean, by the way, Pooka Nakuwa, no nonsense.

PFF had Pooka Nakuwa as their number one receiver last year. And he doesn't even have the top 10, according to executives. Garrett Wilson or Pooka Nakuwa. No GMs take it. Well, again, timeout. I'm not going to let you slander my guy. But Garrett Wilson has had, you know, half a leg, Aaron Rogers, Zach Wilson. Isn't it anybody.

You give him Matt Stafford, and Garrett Wilson might be top six on this list. I don't know. Yeah, sure. You know that. Whatever. All right. Final story. Kirby's smart, Colin.

He was at SEC Media Days yesterday. And, you know, talked about the new influx of NIL money and how it's really changed some players, making it harder to recruit guys and achieve team goals. He's got some points here. There's people more in college football today, especially in the SEC, that are comfortable with where they are. This is a pretty good life. I'm earning 200K a year.

I'm very comfortable. And you don't reach your goals being comfortable. What you see now is like where's the drive and energy and enthusiasm? Well, we want people that have it. We're going to seek it. We're going to try to go find it. And if we can just do that 1% better than everybody else, gives us an opportunity to be ahead. Well, I think that's every industry in America.

A lot of people are, I don't think that's a fair criticism of players. I think that's everybody in America. Not everybody is aspirational. Not everybody. My daughter is a really smart kid, but she's like, Dad, I don't want to own a business. I don't want the stress of owning a business. She's just not interested in my son's the opposite. So the idea, the truth is for some of these players, let's be honest, players know, I mean, you go to

Georgia and you're a wide receiver and you're facing NFL guys in the secondary and at safety and you're not getting open you can figure out pretty quickly I can't beat my guys at Georgia in coverage I'm probably not an NFL guy but I can make $175,000 playing at Georgia this is top of the food chain you're probably comfortable I think so I I don't know if Kirby was criticizing him but what he's basically saying that every industry in America is like that Not everybody wants to put in 70 hours a week. And a lot of people get comfortable. Yeah, this is a tough one because let's be real.

Like, do you want a 10-year future in the NFL or short shelf life injuries, blah, blah, blah? Or do you want to say, I'm going to use football as a tool to get me a degree? And oh, by the way, I'm making $200,000 a year on the football team. Like, I think that's probably the smart move. Colin, let's be real. You know, NFL shelf life, it's NFL not for long. You know, some of these guys, I know Kirby's kind of dinging them here, but I think it's smart business. Can you imagine if you got out of college having made $200,000 a year, that's a nest egg to start a business if you wanted, to move wherever you want, to work remotely, travel.

Like, I think it's really smart of these guys to get comfortable making that money. Maybe they don't all want the NFL. Well, it's also a responsibility of the university to be prepared. And so I am for players getting paid. I am for the transfer portal. But I am a believer that LSU and USC and Colorado jumped into that swimming pool head first, and they've all underachieved. I mean, Colorado got better, but a lot of that's been a little bit of hype. Is I would use great distraction.

I mean, Georgia, the state of Georgia, you could just recruit the state of Georgia in Florida. And that's it. and you could have a team. So I contend you still, 75 to 80% of your players should be high school players. Really? Yeah, that's what Notre Dame is doing, and Notre Dame hasn't been this good in 10 years.

Wait a minute, but then we saw, what, TCU a couple years ago, where they had, like, half the starting lineup was Transfer Portal guys, and they make a run to the playoffs. And then I think we saw that last year with Indiana. You know? Yeah, but Indiana was a fraud.

It's not sustainable. Well, they made the playoffs. If you're a coach, that's awesome. And then we're humiliated. I mean, great. But there's a ceiling and a lack of sustainability on bringing in 17 to 24 players a year from the portal. I'm telling you right now this will happen this year. Texas Tech will be a juggernaut.

They will be awesome in the Big 12th. They will put up great numbers on a record and they'll probably make the playoff. And other coaches are going to miss the playoff. And their boosters are going to say, hey, how the hell is Texas Tech? Where are you? Why aren't you there and you're on the hot? If you put Texas Tech in the SEC and you put Texas Tech in the Big Ten, they wouldn't because after a one game losing streak,

all the I got to get mine portal guys would the chemistry, because Texas Tech has talent, you cannot bring in 35 new guys, pay them all, half the roster makes nothing, half the roster's rich, and think we've got to have great chemistry. If you're winning in the crappy Big 12, then it's great. The minute you go to, you're not going to lose any games in the Big 12. You put them in the SEC or the Big Ten,

and they go to George and get rolled, and everybody's finger pointing on the flag. back and then you play the next week, you go to LSU and get rolled again, and the whole locker room implodes. That's too many ifs, Colin. Again, look at the boosters. They are going to look at some of these programs coming out of nowhere with 20 transfer portal guys and say, why aren't we there?

And they're going to want to go to their coach, and the coach is going to get on the hot seat for not getting there. I'm just telling you, it's a weird time. I love it personally. And what's the saying, if you don't have a plan, plan to fail. And we've seen that at Clemson with your guy, Dabo. He said, we don't need this portal. And guess what?

They're not reaching the highs they should. Everyone else around them is leveling up, correct? Well, they'll be in the national championship discussion. This is, they've got a, they have maybe, I think they have the second or third best quarterback. They have 16 returning starters. Clemson's got a weak schedule out. They've got a game against, I think, LSU early. They have to go face Belichick in Carolina.

But Clemson's going to win 10 plus games. They're going to be in the playoff. I guarantee you. You guarantee that. Oh, absolutely. They're making the play out. Absolutely. The social media team, get that Clemson guaranteed in the play.

Yeah. That's bold. In the ACC, oh, no. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. By the way, Bradley Beale, who was, it just didn't work in Phoenix,

has agreed to a contract buyout. The Sun's bought him out. He's going to go play for the Clippers. So, uh, James Hardin, Kawhi Leonard, Bradley Beale. I don't know. Wait a minute. He's going to the Clippers for sure?

Yeah, that's what it says here from Shores. Oh, no. That's a huge loss for the... Clippers are better than the Lakers right now. You think Bradley Beal makes that big of a difference? Bradley Beal, James Hardin, Kaui Leonard, Zubach. They got a good bench. Yeah, that just screams great in May and June.

Well, isn't that when you want to be great? Bradley Beal and Phoenix. It was a disaster. He couldn't stay healthy. It was a disaster. Don't read into that. They were garbage. They recycled their coaches. I don't have to read into it. It slapped me in the face for two years. It was a disaster. I can't believe. He's definitely gone. There's nothing subtle or nuanced about Bradley Beale's Phoenix State. It was awful. But reminder, Bradley Beale at $50 million a year with the Sons ain't great.

Bradley Beal at $5 million a year for the Clippers might be one of the best deals in the league, Colin. How did LeBron not recruit him? Just ask yourself, does this sound? like a championship team. James Harden, because in championship team, you have to be available and good in May and June. Kawhi Leonard, James Hardin, Bradley Beale. Really?

If I had told you a year ago, Colin, does this sound like an NBA finals team? Tyrese Halliburton, Pascal Seacum, and Andrew Nemhard. They went to game seven of the finals. You know what I would have said? Yeah, they do actually, because they made the Eastern Conference finals last two years ago.

So I would have said in the awful East, yeah. I would have said they're a viable finals. By the way, you picked them to beat Cleveland and the Knicks. So you liked them. But again, I said a year ago, like now this time, you're saying, I'm just telling you, the Clippers are probably the second or third best team in the West with this Beal edition. Oh, God, no. You're not buying Beal?

Oh, my gosh. Okay. All right. $5 million a year for a starting shooting guard. He has not played over 60 games in first. six years. Yeah, that's an issue. Health and availability is an issue.

But it's like Denver, Houston, paper clips, and then OKC, damn, the Lakers are not. So you got Kauai Leonard Bradley Beale, coin flip if they're available on any given night, and James Hardin, who's going to make the Hall of Fame, but have you ever trusted him in May? What about your guy, Tyron Liu? I know like two coaches on that staff. They are probably doing cartwheels right now that they stole Bradley Beale. How did LeBron and Luca not be like, bro, come to the Lakers? What a disaster.

Oh, my gosh. Rob Polinka, put him on the hot seat. The hell. I can't believe. Did your TV go out? Did you not get Suns games? Did your NBA pass not? You shot like 49%?

38 from 3.17. Bradley Bill had a good, he's not the reason the sons were a dumpster fire. Listen, just because you get a deal on a used car doesn't make it a new car. It's still a used car. I bought a 1978 Fiat for $180. It's a 1978 Fiat.

It's not getting younger. You sound like a guy who only drives new cars. Give me a good used car. The millionaire next door, baby. Jeez, what a steal that is for the Clippers. Listen, the Clippers, let me check this out. Yeah, they were the oldest team

in the league last. season. Okay. Bradley Biel's not some senior citizen. The Golden Girls and saying let's add Charleston Heston or something. Get a little younger.

The league's getting younger. Wait a second. They just got older. Golden girls. That's classic. Oh, but you're 70s baseball, Charlton Heston, Golden Girl. So time out.

They didn't they just move Norman Powell? Yeah, they lost Norman Powell. Got off his contract. So I don't have Norman Powell, but I've got Bradley Beale. Is that a downgrade? Norman Powell's pretty good player. He's a good player. And he, by the way, he plays.

By the way, didn't the Clippers, didn't they push Denver to seven games in the opening round? I'm pretty sure they did. Your boy, Yokic, could barely get by these beat up Clippers. I think you kind of glazed over the in the first round. The Clippers almost. He won a series in the first round. Wait a minute. Two years, $11 million for Bradley Beale?

A three-time All-Star? Who's probably going to shoot 40% from three-out. Norman Powell shot 42% from threes last year. Contract. Younger and healthier, better defender, more available. He was good. No denying it. All right.

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You know, I don't want it for breakfast. I like the NIL. I'd be very careful about just adding a bunch of transfer portal players. Steve Sarkesian at Texas. Texas is the most well-funded program right now in the country. They got more money than anybody. I remember when Texas was approved to go to the SEC, I remember saying on the air, I was at Fox.

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One of the first things we do, we don't talk about NIL. We don't talk about NIL or revenue sharing or publicity rights until the very end. And that may hurt us on some kids, but if a kid is coming to Texas for that reason, we don't want them anyway. So I think you got about five or six teams. Here's my national championship bubble. I think Bama, Clemson, and Notre Dame are really close. I like Clemson's coach and quarterback. Listen, Penn State, let's talk Penn State.

I think Penn State and Texas are going to play for the national championship. I think Penn State, first of all, they went in post Ohio State's defensive coordinator. So Jim Knowles from Ohio State. So their coaching staff, their coordinator staff is world class. I think Drew Aller is going to be the second best quarterback in the country to Arch Manning. Singleton, the running back, the running backs are both pros. So I think Penn State's offense is going to be a machine.

So I think they play for the national championship. Drew Aller is a guy that he improved his accuracy. I didn't like him two years ago. I watched him last year and I was like, oh yeah, that's a top, that's a top 10 pick in the draft. I think Texas has improved every year under Steve Sarkesian. Arch Manning takes over at quarterback. They, listen, they've got

five-star recruits does Texas at eight different positions. It's a star-studded roster. I think Arch Manning's really good. So I think he's the one quarterback that will absolutely go ahead of Drew Aller. So I have Texas and Penn State. I also, I'll put Ohio State in there. They have Julian San is a quarterback, California kid, five-star recruit. I haven't seen him play.

But they have the best offensive player in the country the Buckeyes do in Jeremiah Smith. and I think they have the best defensive player in the country. Caleb Downs, I think Caleb Downs would have gone number one or two last year as a sophomore. I think he's just unbelievable. And they just, they recruit. I mean, Ryan Day, the critics, the wolves are off him now because of the Natty win. I also think Georgia can win the championship. I don't know a ton about Gunner Stockton the quarterback, but it's a factory.

Kirby Smart's a great coach. They've played, I mean, they blew out Texas twice last year. So I just have so much respect for the quality of athletes, the state of Georgia high school and Florida produce. I would put Georgia in the national championship contention. I mean, they kind of humiliated Texas twice. And I think Oregon is in it. Dante Moore was a quarterback at UCLA. He transferred.

He was a Michigan high school phenom. I think he's really good. I think Dan Lannings, but an absolute home run as a coach. Lannning is better than I thought. I mean, he came from Georgia. He was a defensive guy. I'm like, really? I mean, he was on Kirby's Smart staff.

How much coaching did he do? It was Kirby Smart's defense. He has been an absolute home run. They've got a great linebacking corps, probably the best linebacking core, arguably in college football, a couple All-American candidates, great back-in in the secondary. So they've got a great back-seven. And then I would put just outside Bama, again,

Bama's really good. They've got a receiver, Ryan Williams, that's insane. And Cailin DeBore is a great. coach. I don't know much about Ty Simpson the quarterback. He's been sitting on the bench for three years. I just don't know what they are at quarterback. Canaan Boar is a really good quarterback coach, so I'm kind of guessing there. Notre Dame

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