The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Brady, Stafford

Episode Date: February 16, 2022

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Live in L.A., it's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. There's this grocery store in L.A. It's called Airwant. It's very, it's like leasing a car is what it costs for dinner. It's very expensive. So I don't shop there a lot.

I mean, but it's pretty pricey, but their stuff's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Yeah, it should be. They charge like $40 for a jar of, cream spinach. It's so good. They make their own macaroons unbelievable. Best I've ever had in my life. This should tell you what kind of grocery store this is.

I have never set foot in this place. They'll have ballet. They have ballet at the grocery store. I'm not joking. It's very Los Angeles. It's very Los Angeles. If you've seen the show you, like the grocery store in season two is kind of like that. Yeah, Airwant. So it's very, very upscale. What do you actually buy there?

Well, I don't go very often, but they sell $25 ice cubes. Oh, no, no, no, no. Listen, I don't go there a ton. But when I do go there, I stare. I just sit in the corner and stare at the beauty. But you're a grocery person. Oh, I love groceries. They're freshness centers.

I go every day. It is my... Love grocery stores. Of all the errands I have to run outside of putting air in my tire, which I feel like should be illegal for me to have to do, the grocery store is absolutely. Like, I always get my groceries delivered. I despise going to the grocery store.

Oh, I love it. They know my name. Uncle Colin. Hello, I'll have another piece of salmon. So many humans there. Oh, it's fantastic. I talked to everybody. So what do you have to get? Like, you're like, I have got to go to the elitist.

Oh, so here's what happened last night. So we had the family over big, just family and crazy discussions. And, you know, we got crazy family people from Chicago and everything. And somebody brought over an Airwan pie. Because, you know, my wife's making dinner. Very good cook. So everybody can't bring something. You can't come to a party with nothing.

Of course not. That's why I always bring wine. So they brought a crumble pie, apple pie from Arawon. Oh, I mean. They run them like a good 60 piece? Oh, it's unbelievable. It better be unbelievable. Everything from there better do my taxes for me. It's great.

I follow like these funny Instagram pages that like document Los Angeles stuff. Yeah. And they always post the prices of stuff. stuff from Air One. I mean, I guess I should go. It's like a destination now. I should check it out. I don't know what I can afford to? They're like a peach. Oh, yeah. Peach cobbler is $400. No, not a peach. A peach, like a singular piece of fruit. It's nuts. They have valet. Does it smell good? Oh my God. Everything from there is great. I'm telling you the, the apple cobbler pie. I went back. I literally ate it, got up from the table. I have to clean some dishes just to see if

anybody left any because I was going to beat everybody to the second piece and it was done. When you start sneaking and lying to family members, the food is so good. That's so shady, Colin. I was. Yeah, I was not slim shady. I ate for four hours last. That pie is so good. All right, Greg Kosell, 42 years, was at the Super Bowl, joins us now live.

Boy, we sound real Los Angeles, don't we? A bunch of hoity-to-to-heap, talking about expensive apple pie. It's just not very becoming of us. Sorry, Greg. Sorry. I apologize. Hey, I'll go to Panera, you know, it's okay with me. Hey, I love it.

So what did the tape show on Joe Burrell's performance? 42 years NFL films, I can watch a game, I can look at it. What did the tape say about Joe Burrell? Well, you know, it's funny. I think we spoke last week, and I said that the one thing that really couldn't happen in this game, that you can't walk away if you're the Bengals. You can't walk away and say we lost the game because we couldn't protect. And that's exactly what happened in the game.

I don't think Burrow played great football. To be honest with you, I don't think he played really great football in the AFC championship game either. But it was really more what the Rams did to make sure that the Bengals really had a difficult time in pass protection because they essentially forced the Bengals to have to keep a back or a tight end or both into protect Colin. and then you're sending three receivers out, and that's a difficult deal. When you only send three receivers out, it's very hard to execute consistently a pass game.

What the Rams essentially did is they lined up in a five-man front, and they did that in multiple ways, whether they did five across, whether they did it with what we call loaded fronts, where three defensive linemen were to one side of the center, and they would put, Jones, the linebacker on the line of scrimmage, he'd become the fifth man. But the point is they showed five man fronts in multiple ways. So that forces essentially man-to-man protection somewhere across the board. And if you choose not to go man-to-man, then you have to keep a back-in or a tight end in. And it just made it really difficult for them to cleanly execute their pass game.

Yeah. Now, what did you make a Matthew Stafford's performance on film? I thought Stafford for the most part played pretty well. You know, people like to focus on his interceptions. It's fascinating to me how he makes great throws and all people want to do is focus on his interceptions. The first one he just threw to the one-on-one in the end zone and Jefferson did not help him. The second one was not his fault.

But again, the Bengals, they hardly pressured. Five-man pressures were not a meaningful part of the Bengals. Bengals game plan. They essentially rushed four all game. Only six of 43 Stafford dropbacks did the Bengals rush five. They played a lot of single high safety coverage. On third down, they played predominantly manned coverage. Cover one was their third down foundation. And my sense watching the tape was that they didn't really do anything from a tactical perspective that really caused Sean McVeigh and staff to feel like we couldn't deal with it. The one thing the Bengals did exceptionally well was defend the run because the Rams obviously

stayed with the run game pretty much throughout the game until the final drive and they couldn't run the ball at all. Listen, I thought it was significant. I thought OBJ's injury was a lot. Yes. To me, he clearly in the first half had a matchup advantage. He was open a lot. lot. What did the film say? Yeah. Well, obviously he caught that touchdown, which was, he was one-on-one. It was man coverage. As I said, on third down, the Bengals played man. That was third and three. But the larger implication of OBJ going out, Colin, was this. The Rams like to line up in what we call three-by-one sets, one receiver to the boundary, the short side of the field, and then three receivers to the wide side of the field. Beckham is that boundary

X receiver, the single receiver to the short side of the field. And when he got hurt, what you saw them do throughout much of the game, and certainly on that final drive, was line up in more two by two sets, meaning two receivers to each side. So it got them away from their three by one sets with Beckham as the single receiver to the short side of the field. And that limits, I'm sure that limited what Sean McVeigh wanted to do, because he just didn't have a boundary X receiver. Now, it's, Cooper Cup is just a fascinating player to me.

His volume, his production's insane. How important was he, even though the final drive's obvious, but how important was he to the entire game plan? Well, I think he's really important, but I think there were times throughout the game where the Bengals, in given situations, bracketed him, doubled him. Now, they didn't do that a lot of snaps, but they did it. enough where it was evident that Stafford knew that pre-snap by the defensive look and didn't even look at Cup. And I think that there were probably times for people watching either in the

stands, if you were fortunate to be there on TV, where people might have felt, oh, why isn't he throwing at the Cup? Because he saw instantly that Cup was bracketed or doubled, and you're not going to force the ball there. And he was throwing to other receivers. And Scoronic played, obviously, he was the replacement for Beckham. And he did not play particularly well in this game. So, you know, I think it slowed down their past game just a bit. Are you surprised? I was that the Rams continued early down. You know, they'd get into a second and three and they'd keep running it and end up with a third and six. Were you surprised that they diligently stayed with that run game, even though it was obvious by the end of the

first quarter, they couldn't get a push? Yeah, I guess I was to a certain extent because, and again, this is not necessarily an X and O point, but I was thinking, because I was in the stange, I was thinking, you know, they got Stafford just for this kind of situation theoretically, and they stayed with their run, and they weren't ahead. You know, they obviously fell behind early in the third quarter, very early in the third quarter after the long touchdown, and then the field goal made it, what, 20 to 13 or whatever it was, and they just kept staying with the run, and I'm sure McVeigh had a reason for it, but it just seemed like they were not gaining any yards and they were putting themselves in a lot of long-yarded situations.

Now, maybe they felt they could convert those because, as I said, they knew as the game progressed, that they were not getting real pressure from the Bengals because the Bengals were only rushing four. All right, this will get us into the big play, but let's start with this question. The Rams really struggled in the second half with those injuries to OBJ. They were on a number three tight end. You know, they weren't sustaining drives like they had in the first. half. What do they do different on the last drive? Yeah, I mean, you know, the last drive, they went to these two by two sets. And that, that's what they did, I think, for the first

eight or nine plays on the last drive. And keep in mind, there were no really big plays in that drive. I mean, that was a very, you know, you know what, that drive almost reminded me of the Eagles winning drive in their Super Bowl win over the Patriots where they were no real big plays at all. They just kept kind of nipping and nipping away a little bit. And on the final drive, the Bengals, they did not rush five. They did not pressure. They played a mix of a man in zone.

Obviously, the big play was the Cup 22-yarder that everybody has seen because Stafford did such a good job of moving the underneath defender, Von Bell. It was just a high-low concept. They'd do high-low concepts better than any team in the league. And he had to make sure Bell moved. And in fact, as everybody has seen, He was not even looking at Cup when he threw the ball. So it was a great, great throw.

But it was really kind of a chipping away kind of drive. That was the longest play, the 22-yarder. So they didn't really do anything. You know, I think that was tremendously different than they'd been doing all game. But they struggled. They just couldn't get into normal down-and-distance situations throughout much of the game. And that was a big problem. It's tough to play second and eight, third and eight the entire game.

Let's get into your big play of the week. The first Stafford to Cooper Cup touchdown. Let's look at that. Yeah, let's take a look at that play. This was actually a play that was really part of kind of what they do because it works off the run game and the boot action. And this is something that's a major part of what they get done. You see Stafford is under center.

Cup and Jefferson have reduced splits to the field. They're tight to the formation. Now, Jefferson motions across the formation. It's essentially jet motion. And what that does is these three defenders will bump over in response to the motion. So you're getting a reaction from the defense in response to the jet motion. And then they're going to react to the zone run action to the short side of the field. Now what we're going to do is take it back to the snap.

We're going to focus on Cup. And then we're going to look at the corner, Eli Apple, and the safety Jesse Bates. They're really important here because what they're going to do is they're going to see the run action as well. They're also going to see Cup look like he's blocking. And then you get the boot action by Stafford. And you can see the reaction by Bates and Apple. And then Cup simply runs between them to the corner and it becomes pitch and catch. So even though they did not run the ball well, the run action was a major factor on this given play along with the

jet motion. So you get the touchdown. And this is something, Colin, they do all the time. They're very good with motion. They used a ton of motion in this game. And the run action is very, very effective for the Rams. Greg Coasell. What did you make

a SoFi Stadium? You know, that's our new stadium. Oh, I loved it. Very nice. I know. I loved it. I thought it was a great stadium. It was absolutely beautiful. My seat was a little high. I have no problem with that. I was on the 50-yard line. I ended up watching the game much more from the scoreboard. It's an amazing, you know, that big scoreboard on top is amazing.

Well, maybe next time, give me a call, see if I can scoot you down, getting into the really, not the box. Oh, okay. I will do that for sure. You know, then I can be on camera like with Magic Johnson and Cardi B and all that, you know. Make sure you don't wear a mask like the rest of our politicians here in Los Angeles. You'll fit right in. There you go. Greg CoSell, good seeing you. Thanks, Colin. You bet. By the way, I saw this story. This story cracks me up. everybody always thinks they know people. I know this guy. And this is the way this guy is thinking.

Like, I don't relate to Aaron Rogers. Not married, no kids, Hollywood friends. I can't check any of those boxes. I do feel like I could kind of understand how Brady thinks, loves his job, loves his wife, loves his kids, you know, likes to vacation a little bit in the off season. Like Brady, I kind of feel like, you know, he's the way he thinks and strategizes and builds. And like, I can kind of relate. Aaron, Corderoy suits, Hollywood friends.

I don't relate at all. Never married, no kids, you know, mysterious vaccination stuff. You know, I just don't. I just, I can't. But I love this. According to a story, NFL media's Mike Giardy,

he said, I've talked to a couple of people who were with Brady and Foxborough know him very well, and they said, I don't believe for a second he's done. Oh, really? If you guys knew Brady so well,

then how come he didn't know he was leaving New England? You don't know Brady that well. He's the goat. People struggle with great athletes who retire with stuff left in the tank. People are still thinking Andrew Luck's going to come back and play. He's done. It's over.

He's not coming back to play. Michael Jordan retired twice, floored people because he was still the goat. He was the best player, right? Peyton Manning looked like he was done. Kobe at the end, he was done. Jerry Rice couldn't separate. Like most of these guys, you're like, okay, it's done. But Brady had his Let's Go podcast.

everybody's trying to get a definitive answer. Tom's just saying, listen, I'm going to retire, but, you know, I'm going to keep stuff open. I got options in life. I feel great. I may get bored. But here he was with Jim Gray in the Let's Go podcast this week. And it's certainly not that I can't play or continue to play. You know, I'm just going to take things as they come.

You know, I think that's the best way to put it. You know, you never say never. You know, at the same time, I know that I'm very, I feel very good about my decision. So I don't know how it feels six months from now. change, it most likely won't. You know, I try to make the best possible decision I can in the moment, which I did this last week. And again, I think

it's not looking to, you know, reverse course. I'm definitely not looking to do that. In the same time, I think you have to be realistic that you never know what challenges there are going to be in life. Listen, he made one great move and then he retired. He tends to be a guy

of his word. I don't think he's playing. But the media tends to seek definitive answers and people with options, shouldn't give him. He's a content filler, man. That's the world we live in right now. And Brady has no responsibility other than to Tom Brady. But I don't buy for a second all these New England people. Now, by the way, all his really close people in New England, like Edelman retired, Gronk went with him, Josh McDaniels now with the Raiders. All his boys, they're all gone. So he and Belichick didn't have dinner in 22 years. So, like, I, well, the people at Foxborough, literally all his guys are gone.

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The Great American Race kicks off the 2022 NASCAR. our season at 2.30 Eastern, 1130 Pacific, only on Fox and the Fox Sports app. So I was listening to this, Mike McCarthy had this interview, and he was just kind of talking, talking, talking. And Mike McCarthy joked during training camp this year before this season, that, you know, people have said he's an unmade bed of a guy, and he kind of laughed about it. And I always said he kind of feels, he feels like Green Bay. He and Aaron didn't get along, but Aaron doesn't feel like Green Bay. Mike McCarthy feels like Green Bay. He looks like a retired Milwaukee cop. and he's a nice guy.

You're not very good at the podium. He kind of rambles. He's not good with clock management. But it's funny because the Cowboys are such a polished franchise. The uniforms are clean. And Jerry's yacht and the stadium and the practice facility. The kids are always dressed well. It's very, very polished.

And like certain coaches feel like McVeigh looks like the coach of the L.A. Rams. Pat Riley felt like the coach of the Miami Heat and the Lakers. Mike Tomlin, tough guy. like Pittsburgh. Belichick. I lived in New England for 10 years. The hoodie, grumpy, feels like New England. Academic.

Bruce Ariens. I lived in Tampa. Cocktails early. Little loose. Feels like Tampa. A Kyle Shanahan, smart, calculated, intense. Feels like the Bay Area. I think Lincoln Riley,

offense, progressive, big city, smart. I mean, even though he's from a small town, he feels like he fits, instantly fits in Los Angeles. Like Brian Kelly's too grumpy. He wouldn't be an LA guy. Lincoln Riley feels like Los Angeles. And he feels big city. He feels eventually NFL.

That's what happens to all L.A. USC coaches, John Robinson, John McKay, Pete Carroll. They stay here. They win some national titles. They go to the NFL. Brett Venables doesn't feel like that. Lincoln, he feels like Oklahoma. Lincoln Riley feels like here.

Mike McCarthy doesn't feel like the Cowboys coach. If you look at the organization's history, Troy Aitman, Tony Romo, Jimmy Johnson, Michael Irvin. they're all good at the podium. They're big personalities. They're big, big, like they're big like Dallas. Hey, Sean Payton feels like a cowboy coach. He's verbal.

He's slick. He can be funny. He's clever. Like he's got a strong point of view. That's Parcells. That's Tom Landry. That's Jimmy Johnson. I mean, Roger Stauback was this elegant, you know, midshipman from Navy.

Roger Stauback is exactly what a cowboy quarterback felt like. Troy Aikman felt like a cowboy quarterback, right? Like, Dak gets the podium. Dak gets the understanding of how big the job is. Like he feels state lead, good at the podium. Teammates love him. McCarthy, it's weird, but he doesn't, he doesn't, he feels like the Green Bay coach. He just didn't get along with Aaron, who I don't think is ever fit in Green Bay.

Even now, he kind of feels like an outsider, even though I think Aaron's done a really, really, really good job to embrace Milwaukee and the Badgers and the Bucks. He's done a great job at that. But McCarthy kind of just rambling interview, the clock management. It's a very slick verbal franchise, very polished. And as I listened to him yesterday, I thought, it just doesn't. I think in one year, Sean Payton's going to get offered that gig. Joy Taylor with the news.

No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Patrick Mahomes had a great season. And according to Fox Bet, he has the best odds to, win MVP next season at plus 500. He finished the season 12 and 5, 66.3 completion percentage, 4,839 yards, 37 passing touchdowns and 13 interceptions, in addition, 381 rushing yards and two rushing touchdowns. Josh Allen has the second best odds at plus 700. Justin Herbert and Aaron Rogers, close behind, plus 800. Joe Burrow, plus 1,000 rounds out the top five. And

Derek Henry is the top non-quarterback of the board at plus 5,000. As of right now, which I wouldn't do this right now. But as of right now, I went with Josh Allen last year. I probably would go with Josh Allen again this year. There's an argument to be made. Buffalo at their best was the best team in the league and I wouldn't push back on that. But the MVP is a very specific award. So you kind of have to be strategic if you're going to bet on the MVP because you kind of have to predict what's the storyline we're going to be following all season. If the team is going to be good, you know, are they going to be able to take advantage of their division? Yeah. I thought, you know, Aaron Rogers winning back-to-back

MVP's was virtually impossible, but, you know, we've shown he kind of feasts on the regular season. And that's what he does. And you've had this conversation about whether the MVP should even be a regular season award, like if it should be given at the end of the year after the Super Bowl, which I understand the purpose of it not including the postseason but it does feel a little bit anti-climatic if the person who wins it is not anywhere near the Super Bowl

right and also I think you and I both are like it's a prestigious award but it's just kind of become a redundant conversation yeah if you're not going to include the playoffs it feels kind of like a lightweight award it's a stat award or just give it right away. I understand you have the NFL honors, but there's just certain awards that just, they're going to lose their luster the longer we go into the postseason. And you don't get

the awards until the Super Bowl week. And it's like, all right, well, Aaron Rogers lost in his first playoff game this postseason. So it just kind of didn't feel as big. So there were many questions surrounding Mike McCarthy, as you just discussed in his future with the Cowboys following their exit from the playoffs this season. But McCarthy said yesterday in The Rich Eisen's show that his confidence has never wavered. I've never once felt that I was not going to be the head coach moving forward. And frankly, I've been at this long enough. That's all I'm focused on.

And I think the players, the coaches, football operations is really my main hold. I'm the leader of this football team. And I'm about winning. And that's all I've ever focused on. And that's all I ever will focus on. Are these narratives on usual? Absolutely. I've never dealt with anything like this.

So I wish I didn't have to come on here and answer questions about it. Yeah. No doubt about it. I wish we were talking about something else. But it is part of our landscape. He went from no owner to Jerry. That's a big swing. I mean, to everything that you were just discussing about whether he actually fits in Dallas,

I think he fits perfectly in Dallas because Jerry doesn't want somebody that's bigger than him. And Mike McCarthy is not bigger than him. Like, the Dallas Cowboys are a massive brand, right? They're the biggest brand in all of sports in the entire world. Not my opinion. This is a fact. They are the biggest brand in sports in the world. And they have three playoff wins in 25 years.

When you have that big of a brand with that little postseason success, you have to look inward. It can't be the coaches. Right. You've had stars. Right. You have a great massive fan base, great facilities. You get all the attention that you could want.

So what is it? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at one point or another, it has to, you got to, got to hold the mirror up. I think Jerry is, I mean, he's amazing for us. A great sound bite. He's fun.

He puts on an amazing show. It's a great product. But it's not a winning product. No. I think that's safe to say. Three wins in 25 years is not a winning product. But Mike McCarthy, I wouldn't necessarily have fired Mike McCarthy. But I do think that the way the season ended, you could certainly point to coaching.

I think it's great. Dan Quinn's going to be back another year. Maybe two years is just. too quick to move on from Mike McCarthy, and they'll have better options next year. Maybe it is Sean Payton. Yeah. But it just feels like whoever's going to be coaching there has to be smaller than Jerry Jones. Yeah.

Or it's just not going to happen. So Ben Simmons was officially introduced as a member of the Nets yesterday, and he was met with a lot of questions about his decision to leave Philly. It wasn't about the fans or coaches or comments made by anybody. It was just a personal thing for me. It was a bunch of things that I was dealing with as a person. in my personal life that, I don't really want to go to depth with. But yeah, I'm here now.

So, you know, it's a blessing to be in an organization like this. And, you know, I'm just looking forward to getting back on the floor and building something great here. He went on to say that he didn't feel like himself in Philadelphia and is looking forward to a fresh start with the Nets. He also said he doesn't have a date yet for his debut. But he's starting to ramp it up to get into game playing shape and hopes to play by March 10th when Brooklyn visits his former team,

which will be a must watch for. Well, I mean, you know what you take when you leave yourself. Like when you leave a marriage or a business, you take you more than anything. You don't take your cubicle. Right. Maybe you take your iPad, but you take you to your next job or next relationship.

I got a problem with the you. They didn't like him when he left at LSU. They didn't like him on the Australian team. They didn't like him at AAU. They didn't like him in Philadelphia. At some point, I went back this morning. This is funny.

I went back and I looked up the scouting report on him. And, you know, scouts are professionals. They do this for a living, right? Like, it's a model agency. You look at models all day and you pick beautiful people. The scouting report on Ben Simmons was Simmons' lack of competitiveness in crucial games. This was out of college.

Has raised questions about his character. Those who know him best says he need things to revolve around him. him on and off the court and that he's often been closed-minded to coaching or instruction. That is exactly his NBA career in a nutshell. No, it's pretty spot on. Spot on. I know, look, it's very difficult for us to navigate talking about mental health. We are still very, we are in the infant stages of being able to handle that kind of public

discourse, which is why I encourage people to look at it as, and talk about it as they would a physical injury because that is all it is. If you are not mentally able to play, that is the same thing as being not physically able to play. Your mind is inside of your body. It is a part of your physical state. So if you need to, we talk about this all the time. It's a very American thing. Like we don't like people to take personal days and we're still coming around to the idea of therapy. And so if you're not mentally able to play, that is essentially the same as being injured. Like you're not capable of being on the floor because of something that is physically happening to you.

So that is something to consider as well. Is he going to be able to handle, listen, he's playing in New York. It's not like he went to somewhere that's not known for, yeah, for being hard on their players and having expectations. And we have,

he hasn't, he's not in game shape. Like he hasn't played all year. So there are multiple layers of things going on with Ben Simmons. I don't like the idea that, oh, like he just played up the mental health thing. Like, He's talked very publicly about it.

Whether he is or he isn't, he isn't playing, so he's clearly, whatever the reason is, he's not out there. I maintain that the Sixers got the best of this situation. One, they got a player that's actually on the floor. And two, there's less things to fit. Oh, there's just, it's just one good player to a good chemistry. We've seen Harden to do this before. So that's, you know, he's going to take a little time to adjust, obviously, but they're in a more ready-to-go situation. I don't know what's going to happen with the Nets.

I think we're all obviously very excited to see how both of these things work out. And it does seem like this is the right fit for Ben Simmons. But when is he going to play? Like what is he going to look like when he's out there? We still don't know. So it'll be fun to watch. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Nick Wright said something an hour ago I thought was really interesting. And Nick's considered much more pro-Aren Rogers than I am. But I would liken it to George Clooney, actor. So George Clooney, always loved by the media, good looking. He leaned left like the media does. And I think George is talented. I think he's very funny. He was in Oceans 11, which is one of my favorite guy flicks. I think it's just a great movie. I've watched the Oceans 11 half the other.

I think he's great. And I'm not saying George Clooney's not talented. He's really talented. ER, you know, a lot of stuff worked. But George Clooney, after about five or six movies that didn't work at the end of his career, he like retired. He was better as a businessman selling tequila than he was actually moving people in the theaters. Like he just didn't work after five or six movies. And so in the end, I don't look at George Clooney as like a box office star because the results tell me he's not a box office star. Aaron Rogers keeps losing home games as a favorite in the playoffs. He couldn't beat the Niners.

They didn't have an offensive touchdown. And I think Nick Wright points to it. There are certain losses. The media always loved Aaron until his vaccine stuff. and because he's flashy and cool and, you know, the hipster media loves that stuff because they always think they're cooler than they actually are. And Clooney, similarly, the media loves Clooney. But in the end, Clooney doesn't drive people to a box office.

And Aaron doesn't want enough playoff games. If you look at Matt, if I said to you right now, you get Stafford or Aaron Rogers for the next five years. It's not even close. I would take Matt Stanford. Much more coachable. He had the best fourth quarter passer rating 14 TD zero picks in league history.

He was unbelievable in the playoffs. Matt Stafford spent one year with the Rams, one year in a functional organization. He already has more game-winning playoff drives than Aaron Rogers in 13 years, too. As I've said before, Stafford's a baller. There are certain friends we all have, they're foxhole friends. Like you call them, you're like, dude, I'm in big trouble. They're there for you. They'll literally cancel stuff.

And then there's friends that are only there for the good times. That's Aaron. Aaron's great with the lead. He's great when he's uncomfortable. But he's not somebody I want in my foxhole. Not saying he shouldn't be MVP. I wouldn't have voted him that, but he deserves Hall of Fame. I'd vote him first ballot.

But if you told me next five years, who do I want? Folks, look at the last 10 NFL games on TV. They were all decided in the last minute. Who do you want in the last minute? I don't want Aaron. I want Stafford. It's just like Clooney. After a while, six, seven movies, you're not driving people to a box office.

That's what you currently are. That's what you are. Studios aren't given George Clooney the best scripts right now. They're not. They're giving it to Gosling or, you know, whoever's hot. And I look at Aaron, it's like, as Nick Wright said, that loss was like, oh, that's bad. He shrunk. Aaron shrunk in that game.

He's gotten weirder. He's gotten more disconnected. that's why I think if I was him, I'd just move. I'd pack bags and go to Denver. Because I think he needs a lot more help than we think. I think we always thought Aaron can just, no, no, no, no, no. Aaron needs help. Brady carried some average offenses.

Stafford got to the playoffs in Detroit. Aaron needs more help than everybody wants to admit. And George Clooney has to have really powerful co-stars to drive a film. He had Julia Roberts, Andy Garcia, Matt Damon. Yeah, Ocean's 11th is a big hit. You put George on screen by himself. Not saying he's not talented, but he needs more help than people think. Aaron needs a lot more help around him than everybody's got him out to be this and that.

Josh Allen is going to get you, he's going to run around. He's going to make big throat. Josh Allen doesn't have a running game and he could end up in conference championship. Josh Allen needs less. I think Matt Stafford needs less than we think. There we go. If I'm Aaron, though, I'm a mile high city. I call a private jet guy and like, let's sample Denver's cuisine for a couple days, see if we like it there.

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By the way, thank God for TMZ. They just reported that Aaron Rogers and his girlfriend, the engagement's broken off. She felt neglected, and he got cold feet. Well, he lives in Green Bay. Maybe he has cold feet. I mean, I don't know. They just, they broke off. We learned, I don't want to talk about Aaron Rogers' feet anymore.

Oh, that's right. Like a lot of Aaron. Weird. A lot of Aaron Rogers' foot talk. Another relationship broken off. All right. This is interesting. So we were talking, I mean, Matt Stafford really did a lot for himself in this Super Bowl.

The no look pass. There's a lot of film coming out now where he is Mike during the game and he's talking to teammates. He just comes off as a stud. There's just no other way to put it. He comes off as a total dude. He and OBJ. He and Cooper Cop.

He and Aaron Donald. He is such a leader. Matt Stafford was really smart. Mike me. He comes off so great being miced. And the no look stuff with Cooper Cup. He's like, babe, that's the best no look we've had all year. Like, you watch that and you listen to him and you're like, man, I like that guy.

I like that guy. And it's funny. And we talked about like, so Brady and Stafford left their teams. And they have one thing in common. They both went to a place with better weapons. Now, you can't say they went to a better coach, Belichick to Aryans. Can't necessarily, you know, there are arguments to be made that Detroit and like L.A., that was an upgrade with everything.

But Brady didn't upgrade everything. He didn't upgrade culture in Tampa. He didn't upgrade coach or owner in Tampa. He upgraded weapons. Stafford upgraded weapons. And I was saying this morning, if you asked me running back tight end wide receiver, the best weapons in the NFL, it's become a weapons league.

This is my opinion. I didn't put them in any particular order. Kansas City, Cincinnati, Tampa Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, Steelers, Niners, Bills, Viking. Vikings have really good weapons. Cardinals, Titans. Raiders was on kind of the fringe. I think the Colts are well run.

I don't love their weapons outside of Jonathan Taylor and Michael Pittman. I mean, there are some good teams with average weapons. Well, here's what's interesting. Aaron does not trust his number two, number three, number four receiver. How do I know that? Because I watched. He doesn't trust anybody but his number one tight end. How do I know that?

Because I watched. I watched in the biggest game of the year at home. He doesn't. And so my takeaway is Denver's on that list. Pittsburgh's on that list. Green Bay is not on that list. And you start looking at Green Bay. Think about the last eight teams that ended up in the playoffs. The last eight, what do they have in common? Do they all have legendary coaches? No, Zach Taylor's winning percentage was like 37%. Did they all have great offensive lines? No, Cincinnati's wasn't. Did they all have great pass rushes?

No, Green Bay didn't. If you look at the one thing that all the teams had to in common at the end? AFC, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Bills, Tennessee. What are they have in common? They're all on my top 12 weapons list. Look at the NFC. Rams, Niners, Tampa, on my weapons list. What doesn't Green Bay have? They're not on that list. Now, you could say they have Devante Adams. That's great. But every good quarterback in this league, Stafford's got two or three good receivers. You can't just have one guy I can bracket. If you took Van Jefferson, OBJ, and Robert Woods, and Tyler Higby, out of the Rams and just had Cooper Cup, they wouldn't make the list. Like, the Steelers have two receivers I like, and I'm not counting Juju Smith-Schuster.

I'm not counting him. I'm talking Deontay Johnson, Chase Claypool, they have a stud rookie tied end at a Penn State, Najee Harris, like that's really good weapons. To me, the Denver thing is the older you get, the more help you need. I just don't think Green Bay, if they signed Devante Adams, they are moving off a lot of the, the number twos and threes and tight ends and wide receivers, they're just moving off them. They can't get rid of Aaron Jones because what are they,

what they pay them. But I'm telling you, they're going to be up to the cap. If they signed DeMonte Adams, I don't know how they make it work. Well, they're in cap trouble already. They're in cap hell. So they're going to have to get rid of players. That's why I really felt like the whole last dance narrative that he was pushing going into the season.

It was not just that. It's going to be a different team next year. We know each organization is different year to year for various reasons. Like the Bucks tried to run it back and it didn't work for various reasons. But very rarely do you get a copy-paste situation? It's not going to be the same roster next year. I really believe this. If Devante Adams really believed in Jordan Love, you can tell Devante doesn't because

if Aaron leaves, he wants to go with him. But if Devonte Adams was willing to stay without Aaron, and I was great, Bay. I would strongly consider, okay, we'll make a trade with Denver. You've got to give us your number two receiver. Give us a Cortland Sutton. You've got to give us somebody. So then I have Devante Adams, Aaron Jones, a good tight end. Denver gives me a number two wide receiver. Then in that division, I think I could rocket with Jordan Love. I still think I could win the division. I'm not going to be as good as Aaron. I'm not going to be a number one seat. Could it be a four seat? Could it be a five seed? But at some point, you've got to figure out, can Jordan Love play? What are we doing here? You moved up

to get him. Can he play? Well, they should have assumed he could play when they drafted him if you move up. Jimmy Garapolo. And the draft to get him while you still have Aaron Rogers. Jimmy Garapolo has an injury history, right? But he keeps winning playoff games

and they're moving off him. He beat Aaron's team and they're moving off Garapolo because it's like, okay, this is year two. We have to play the rookie. They're not going to go into year three and not play Jordan Love? If Jordan Love cannot play.

Well, that's what the indications are. If he's no good and Aaron Rogers ends up leaving, is it like the worst traffic ever? No. I mean, it would have been the catalyst that pushed Aaron Rogers out the door. It's not a great one. But I think at some point, you just got to make it work.

They're in cap hell. You need cap relief. How? Trade Aaron, get a pick or three and a wide receiver. I don't know how relevant they are without Aaron. I don't think they can do that. Well, you know what? Sometimes relevancy. I mean, anyway, hour three coming up.

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