The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Bronny James

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

We need to stop conflating popular with good Where will Bronny James land and some hard truths that need to be said   Guest: Adam Finkelstein   #douggottliebshow  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hot in L.A. Whereas we had Chamber of Commerce Day here. in the Dairy State. Tonight's the NBA draft, and I do, you guys know the expression, he must have no friends or she must have no friends, like somebody's got to tell him. And I kind of do wonder if we're there with, like, LeBron.

I saw Paul George compare Brony to Drew Holiday. Paul Pierce has done the same on Undisputed, and I understand, like nobody wants to say, bad about a great players kid because someday it could be your kid. And I'm not saying anything bad. I just, like, comparing him to Drew Holiday should be so offensive to Drew Holiday. I saw Drew Holiday play in high school at Campbell Hall High School. That's, by the way, in the exact same league that Brani played in when he played at Sierra Canyon.

To compare the two players at this stage in their development, is morally offensive. It's literally offensive. That's what it is. Drew Holliday was arguably, or maybe even inarguably, one of the best prospects I've ever seen play in high school basketball playing at Cabo High School. Brony James was not one of the ten best players in the Mission League his senior year. Again, maybe he's one of the ten best prospects,

but he didn't have any sort of special senior year. You know, like there's one, I remember there's one play that went viral. It's a dunk against Crespi. Crespi's in all-boy school in Encino, California. It's not far, actually, from where our studios are located. He had this nasty dunk off his own. He hit four points.

And look, it doesn't mean it's defaming guys that great players can have four points, but he was just a guy at times in high school. This past year he played at USC. And, like, again, he who's without sin can cast the first stone. I'm not acting like I'm a big score, but he was on a bad team where he wasn't one of the three best guards on the team. And we make him out to be such a lockdown defender. Now, if he's that good a defender, then, well, then his coach must have been an idiot, but his coach is not an idiot. So it's one of those things where you just sit there and go, I don't understand why he didn't transfer to Duquesne.

One of LeBron James' closest friends on Earth is the new head coach at Duquesne, get him out of the spotlight, and just let him play and evolve. And I understand one of the philosophies is, hey, you have the G-League. Like, let them develop in the G League, let them get called up. You know, once you're in the NBA, I mean, the T.J. McConnell thing is, T.J. McConnell, I mean, this is the reality. The only reason that he got into league was, like, Philadelphia was terrible. They were tanking. This was at peak tank Philadelphia. He made the team coming out of college. And I'm sure they just want a guys that played hard, that grinded. And he made himself into an invaluable NBA player.

he's going to end up with K.J. McConnell will end up with $100 million in his bank account. And it was because they just needed guys and wanted guys that could repeat and he might not have been an NBA player coming out of college, but he made himself into one. And once you get in, the hardest thing

to do, the NBA is a lot like Stanford. People will go to Stanford, it'll nod their heads and they're listening. I'm not sure if they're listening to the herd. Hardest thing is to get in. And LeBron's helping him get in. But, I mean, he's not Theoens Antecumpo bad, but he's not really an NBA prospect. And now he's got Bryce on one of the finalists for Team USA.

Like he's so far below the level of those guys that, and I know some of the parents of some those players like, what are we doing here? and when you it's it's not that you want paul pierce to be critical or paul george to be critical but how about just a little bit of reality just a smidge of reality which is like yeah we're comparing him to drew holiday that's what we're doing i i don't i don't know what that i just now we're also going to talk about him a ton we're already talking about today. We'll be talking about tomorrow because he'll go undrafted tonight and then it's tomorrow and it'll probably last late into the draft and the Lakers probably draft him.

And again, here's the part that's confusing to most of us. Rich Paul says he doesn't want a two-way. A two-way would mean he'd be allowed to be set down and to develop. One of 15 spots for a kid who couldn't start at USC that wasn't a good team last year. I know Andy Enfield. Not an idiot. and not starting him except for when Isaiah Collier was hurt would mean he's an idiot if the kid was that good. So, and this in no way diminishes the fact that he could eventually evolve into an NBA player

or that he is just coming off of a hard issue. But before the hard issue, his senior year in high school, I promise you, if you ask anybody who watched that league, they would say, like, yeah, he's not like one of the ten best players, but he's a good player. It's a really good high school player in arguably or maybe inarguably the best high school league in the country. Like Jared McCain averaged, I don't know, in the 20s for one of the elite teams in Southern California in the exact same year. Then Jared McCain went to Duke and then started Duke and averaged, I don't know, 13 or so a game. Like that's a guy who will probably get taken somewhere in the first round. Brony James is not that guy. He's not of that level.

It's not close. And so you just wonder, does LeBron have real friends at a pull him aside and go like, I don't know, like this is really the past. It's too late now. He's going to the draft. You know, clearly the Lakers are going to move heaven and earth to get him, even though they don't necessarily need to. And then you come down to the difference between popular and good. And this is, like we have this in college sports all the time, where people think that because their team is good, that one of the big conferences, now it's the, you know, the Big Ten and the SEC.

And you're like, well, our school is good, so that's why we're going to get picked up. Like, that has nothing to do with it. Does it help? Sure. You've got to be good for like 20 years and have a following, and maybe that helps the argument. But being good at a sport, like being good doesn't mean anything. Washington State's been good, solid at football. They were good at basketball.

They've been good at basketball occasionally. they had no shot of getting into the Big Ten why because nobody watches Washington State Sports and the only reason Washington got in it was because they linked up with Oregon as rivals and the Big Ten needed to cut more West Coast schools SMU getting into the ACC obviously they're like buying their way in

and they don't need to get any TV revenue and they have all these incredible boosters that'll move heaven and earth to make sure that they're part of a power five league they haven't been good but they're in Dallas and they're willing to not take TV revenue for a couple of years and just to get just to play with the big boys which is I think a brilliant idea and there's plenty of other high quality schools that haven't been asked to leave their conferences and the reason is has nothing to do with whether or not they're good it has everything to do with whether or not the fans actually care about

watching them play. And the same can be said for Bronny James tomorrow. Like, again, I wouldn't draft Ronnie James. Because really, there's only one team that should want to draft Ronnie James, and if there's only one team, there's no competition for a guy,

why would you draft it? Somebody else wants to draft him, that's fine. Wait until he gets cut and he'll end up being a Laker. But the Lakers probably draft him because they'll get nervous that somebody else will steal. I just question, like, where else is he going to go? No one else is going to draft him. It doesn't make any sense.

So I, but we're going to cover that story again, again, again, not because he's good, not because he's good, but because he's popular. It's, like we talked about the Caitlin Clark thing. This is no different than the Caitlin Clark thing. Yes, we know she's not the best player in the WNBA, but she's incredibly popular and she can rise all those ties. The same thing for Brony. Now, I wouldn't put Brony on the team. I'm sure some of you're going like, well, it makes us care about the men's team.

Like, no, we're going to watch that anyway. But the reason he will be talked about time and again and again and again over the next couple days is because he's wildly popular, crazily popular, not because he's that good. Plenty of better players than him in this. Coming up next in the herd, we're going to make you a little more knowledgeable, but the players are going to be taken in tonight's NBA draft. How are we going to do it?

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He's college basketball insider for CBS Sports HQ. And Adam's work goes back to when so many of these guys were high school players or international players and evaluates all of them. And so many of them either didn't really play in college. basketball or our international players, we may never know them until they play in an NBA uniform. Adam, why is the narrative that this year's NBA draft is so down? Well, I think it's somewhat fair, to be honest. There's just a, there's a lack of star power at the top, and that's not just a talking point. That's something that executives have verified. And you can also see it, quite frankly, by the amount of teams.

who still at this hour, some just seven hours before this starts, are very open to trading down in this draft. That starts with the first overall pick in the draft. It includes the third pick, the fourth pick. I mean, there's a lot of people who would be very happy to move off the high picks and in exchange for multiple assets. And that is not typically the case in most years. So I think that's really the best piece of evidence that we can show to say, like, hey, there just isn't that obvious star power at the top. Okay. So who is at the top? If you were drafting, who would be your first pick? Well, I would trade the pick.

I think there's a few different players in play here. I think right now the most likely candidate is Zachary Riesce, 6-9 Frenchman, who's gotten a lot better in the last year. I mean, Doug, this is someone who played at the Nike Hoop Summit last spring, week after McDonald's All-American game, and really, really struggled. But he has come back in a big way, six-foot-nine, wing, forward 3-4-4-3 type who shoots the ball really well, is credited for being a plus defender, just doesn't have that alpha-level playmaking that you typically associate with the top overall

pick in the draft, but I think there's a lot of three-and-d outcomes. And let's say, I mean, on the heels of Mikhail Bridges getting, I don't know, what do they get six first-round picks for him? I mean, that archetype has never been more valuable. So I think that's what people see and Risa Shea. The other one who I think would have been an option is Alex Saar. He's not going to be taken by Atlanta tonight because he didn't want to work out for them. But a few weeks ago, he was the betting favorite. He is also from France.

So history is going to be made tonight. We're very possible. The first two picks are both from France. Of course, Wendee from France last year, the number one overall pick. Saar is a mobile seven-footer who's got a ton of defensive upside. People compare him to like Evan Mobley. but physically he's got a long way to go. He's pretty lean.

Offensively, he's also a work in progress. So, again, not typically which you associate with a first or second pick in the draft. And most years, these guys go somewhere between 5 and 10. Sar and Reese's shade, they don't get along, right? You know, I don't know that. That's interesting. I had not heard that. I thought they didn't get along.

What is SARS deal with Atlanta? why? I mean, I've heard very few people ever say, hey, you know where I don't want to go is Atlanta, especially a French player. Why? Well, and how about saying, hey, the Wizards look great. Send me there. I mean, you know, like it's very, like Bill Reiter said yesterday on our show, it's very Kyle Kuzma of him. But, yeah, I mean, he basically just dictated that Washington is where he wants to be. I'll say that the Wizards path is, is, much more clear. I mean, they're bad. They weren't last in the NBA last year, but you could make the argument that they were the farthest away from being a contender. I think they probably only have three players in the entire roster who they see as part of their long-term plans. Saar goes in, and he knows he's the guy in the front court. So he's going to have the opportunity

to play through mistakes, to get the offensive volume to develop his game. They know they're not going to be a contender next year. They're going to be willing to allow him to have those growing pains. In Atlanta, the identity is a little more convoluted. Is Trey Young getting traded? Is DeJante Murray getting traded? They've already sold off a lot of future draft picks in that DeJante Murray deal, so they can't totally hit the reset button. And yet they were 10 games under 500 and now in the luxury tax, too. So this is speculative, but there was certainly more, there are more unknowns in Atlanta than there are Washington. That's fair enough. where are you on Reed Shepard?

You know, Reed Shepard, a guy who had a tremendous year for Kentucky. Obviously, his dad, Jeff, was part of the national championship team. You know, his mom played as well. I mean, he's really good, but I don't know, top five for a six-two combo guard? I don't know. Yeah, and I'll tell you what, like Houston, I think Houston at three is a, is a, definite candidate to trade that pick. There's a lot of people trying to trade up to grab Donovan clinging at three.

But if they keep the pick, the intel has been pretty consistent that Shepard is the guy they like. And so, again, preface this by saying, doesn't go three in a typical draft. But statistically speaking, one of the best shooters we've seen coming out of college basketball in something like 30 years, 52% from the three-point line. Now, as you mentioned, having watched these guys in 100, high school, I can tell you that that is nothing like what we saw in high school. He was a career 33 percent three-point shooter in high school in the in the games that were tracked by synergy sports, which is about half of them, but certainly nowhere near. I mean, this was beyond

anything we could have anticipated. People have asked me, why does that matter? What he shot in high school? And my answer is for the same reason, it mattered what Jabari Smith shot from three in high school because sometimes one season of college is the outlier. It's, it's not the norm, but it can happen. And I'm kind of with you. I mean, listen, I was wrong on Reed Shepard. He was way better, obviously, than I and anyone who saw him in high school predicted. But I still think he's kind of a role player extraordinaire. I'm not sure that there are our star outcomes. But for a team like Houston, and now we're seeing them, they're apparently going to be very active in the trade market. But if they keep that pick and they're looking for somebody who can be a Fred Van Fleet

understudy for a couple of years and then maybe take over when Van Fleet becomes a free agent two years from now, potentially partner with Jalen Green, potentially partner with Amman Thompson. I get the fit. I think the key for any of these teams is you have to try and forget about the typical return on the number three pick in a normal year because this is not a normal year. It's a great point, right? It's a great point. Yes, you would like to get a more talented player with more upside, but they just simply do not exist. Okay. I I think there's other interesting guys. I think Rob Dillingham could be exactly what he was at Kentucky in the NBA.

And for people who didn't watch Kentucky this year, off the bench, just a scoring machine, right? The Jamal Crawford sort of role. And I actually think that of the things that John Calipari did in his final season at Kentucky, that was the best one because it's a rule. It's literally setting them up for success because he has to do nothing different other than guard a little bit better, and he can have that same role in the NBA? He can. I mean,

he's 160 pounds, so that's a problem. You know, and defensively, I'll say this, he's, I mean, I'll just say it plainly, he's a bad defender. So it's really, beauty is in the eye of the beholder here, because I say both

of those things, and at the same time, he may be the most dynamic guy with the ball in his hands in this draft. Like, if you're looking for somebody, who can put the ball in his hands and say go get me a bucket, if you want to simplify it to that degree, he's probably one of the first guys you bring up. So I think that where he ends up is going to be really important because he's got to be in a locker room where, you know, the professionalism is going to be emphasized on a day-to-day basis. Like, hey, being completely

non-competitive defensively, that's not an option anymore. Like not getting in the weight room, that's not an option anymore. You know, all the things that go along with being a professional and maximizing what you have, like, so I think, you know, I've heard some buzz about like maybe Miami likes him. Miami thinks like their culture can really be good for him. I think that would be ideal for him. Send him down there.

And if he doesn't conform, somebody's, you know, literally or figuratively going to punch him in the face until he buys in. And if he buys into a winning culture like that, I think there's some really high outcomes for him. what was your eval of what's your eval of brawny james um i think that out of high school um we were one of the we were one of the few that that weren't perpetuating that one and done lottery pick narrative that so many outlets are trying to pretend they weren't they weren't saying a year ago um you know he was a top 40 guy

for us at the end um he was when he was picked for the macdonal's all-american game, he was ranked in a spot where that should not have been an outcome. But I will say that in that setting, and at the Hoop Summit, he, to his credit, looked like he belonged. So it wasn't egregious in that setting. You know, he made enough shots. He showed the athleticism. But to me, the only reason we're having this conversation is because he's LeBron James' son. I think that's pretty obvious at this point. Almost as obvious is that he's going to go to the Lakers at 55. The only caveat to that is unless they trade up and just make sure there's no surprises given LeBron's free agency. But this is a player who, I actually think it isn't

impossible that he becomes a serviceable NBA player down the road given the opportunity that he is going to have to grow into that. But if it weren't for his father, we would not be talking about him as an NBA prospect right now. I agree. And I just, I don't understand. I don't get it. I don't understand. I don't understand. What Rich Paul is trying to do with this, you know, Toronto likes him and Dallas. Like, stop it. Like, what are we doing?

It's really a one-to-one team race. And then he says, I don't, we're not going to do a two-way contract. What do you mean you're not going to do a two-way contract? Like, I don't get any of it. It's like, hey, nobody, nobody. Why would you want no one else to take him? Because this is, I mean, LeBron has. told us for three years now.

Like, he said the last thing he wants to accomplish is to play with his son. He said it repeatedly. Oh, and including like this past winter. Now, they've tried to move that goalposts. They tried to move off of that. Well, it's not about playing together. Like, what are we doing? Of course it is. Everything

you're doing is about getting them together. From you not allowing him to work out, from you saying he's not going to sign a two-way contract. And by the way, the only other team he worked out for is a team that very literally cannot not draft the prospect. Like if there is one team in the NBA that needs a plug and play rotation player now or needs maybe three of them, it's Phoenix. So the fact that that was the

only other team that they worked out for, I just thought was somewhat comical because there's not another team that makes less sense to draft a developmental guard who's not going to be able to help you for a long time. Like he's going to be on the Lakers and the reason he's going to be on the Lakers is because that's what LeBron wants. And I'm not trying to give anybody like a soundbite. Like that's just what I believe. Like the man has the leverage to pull it off. Yes. Okay.

So, and you can speak to this. He's not the first. He won't be the last, right? J.R. Smith's brother, famously on the G. League team for the Knicks. We've talked about, you know, Janus's brothers, both being, I mean, on the bucks. Even Mowgli's brothers on the Cavs right now. Right.

And they, you know, Mowgli's brother can play the sum. I mean, maybe not that level. but Janice's brothers couldn't play Dead and a Cowboy movie. So we've seen it before, but the drafting of it, the discussion, people putting them in the top 10

on prospect lists is just, it's like laughable and I don't understand. Well, we work in the media, though. That was strict clickbait. That's when you work for somebody or you are, you know, like I sent a tweet last year

that got me some, ruffled some feathers because I just, you know, when our rankings came out, I said, like, credibility over, over clicks. And thankfully, I work at a place where they don't. No one asks me to do that. No one asks me to, because I can tell you from the Google metrics, anything with Bronny in it is going to get a lot more hits than Alex R, Donovan Klingin, or Zachary, Riesa, or, you know, last year when we were ranking players, Ron Holland, Isaiah Collier,

those guys. So, you know, it helps from a metric standpoint. But fortunately, you know, I've never been in a position where someone has asked me to do that sort of thing. But there were a lot of places that were saying, you know, won and done lottery pick. And what was crazy, it was like, some of these things happened, like, right after big events. I think it was like the hoophole. He was three of 17 from the floor. And then like two days later, somebody's mock draft came out and he was a lottery fix. Like, what are you talking about? Like, this is just not based in reality.

There's, it just discredits you, I think. So, I don't know. That's just, that's just my take on it. Adam Finkelstein joined us 24-7 sports covering all things basketball. He joins us. I'm Doug Gottliebind for Colin. This is the herd. Yeah, it's a, it's an, it's an interesting one.

Will it come back to being more college heavy with the elimination of the G-League ignite next year? So yes, but not just for that variable. The other variable is the rise of NIL and the consequent increased traction with international players. You can cite recent commitments at BYU and Illinois as example of this. Those are guys who were already being talked about as potential draft picks next year, who in the past probably wouldn't have come to play college basketball because, you know, know this, that can be a hard transition to go from an international game to a much more physical

college game. So there's, there can be some, some risk in that if you're, if you're just trying to protect your stock. But we're seeing players do that more now. So between that and Ignite, going away. And the third variable there is OTE is no longer a college basketball competitor. It's, it's basically another feeder system along with high school. So like they, you know, The alternatives to college basketball are less and less appealing than they were a year, two, year, three years ago, for sure. Awesome stuff. Adam, just incredible insight and information. Look forward to seeing your work throughout the night.

And in tomorrow, recapping it, thanks a much for being our guest in The Hurt. Thanks, Doug. Let's get you to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Hello Ryan. Oh, hello, Doug. I know you are looking forward to this one. You may have teased it not that long ago and here we are to pay it off. We don't often talk college baseball on this show. But when you get a story like this, we are in. Jim Schlossnagle is the new baseball coach for Texas, leaving Texas A&M one day after losing a

the College World Series to Tennessee. Now people have some thoughts because after the loss in the post-game presser, he was asked about the Texas job opening, and here's what he said. I think it's pretty selfish of you to ask me that question, to be honest with you. But I left my family to be the coach at Texas A&M. I took the job at Texas A&M to never take another job again. and that hasn't changed in my mind. And that's unfair to talk about something like that.

That'd be like you asking Montgomery if he's going to sign in the draft. But I understand you've got to ask the question. But I gave up a big part of my life to come take this job and I've poured every ounce of my soul in this job. And I've given this job every single ounce I can possibly give it. It's right that. The anger there is bizarre. Like the whole thing is bizarre.

And today apparently he apologized to the Texas. Ags reporter and to somebody else who he got in confrontation with, but what is the, like literally what is the matter? I wouldn't, I know Chris El Conte well, he's a friend. He's the athletic director at Texas. And that's one of those big swinging, you know what

moves, like, hey, now we're going to hire a new baseball coach, and now we get a hire a guy who just lost in the college world series, but we're going to hire the Texas A&M coach, right? Like, leaving the cult, getting a guy out of the cult is a big thing. But, dude, what was the

win in what he said. Do I hope to be in that position where somebody's going to offer you some gigantic job, you know, that you can't turn down? Of course. But I would hope that I can handle it just a smidge better than that. That's the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen in college athletics. It's one of the reasons that now when I tell people, like, I lead with being a sports radio host. Because, you know, like, sports radio host is supposedly a hot taker.

Right? But if you say I'm a college basketball coach, they're like, whoa, whoa, there's kids around. Right? It's like, only fans is the only thing slightly below, slightly below being a college basketball coach or college sports coach. And this is the reason why, because you can't trust the word they say,

because the guy said, I took this job to never leave it to 24 hours later. You're a clown, dude. I don't care how good a baseball coach you are. You can't handle the media any better than that. Now you're going to be the head coach at Texas? What are we doing here? This is not that hard.

Not that hard. Yeah, I mean, to your point, look, he obviously just comes off of a tough loss in the college world series final. It was the third game of a three-game series. Of course, the tough loss. But again, what you're teaching these guys is how to handle themselves.

No, absolutely. 100% And what are you Like It feels like the easy answer there is Hey listen man Our season just came to an end I'm so proud of this team

I get that you have questions About my future No you can say everything he said Listen I poured every ounce of everything I have Into the Texas AM job I took this job Without ever thinking about another job I left my family

Whatever just Can you give us a little bit Can we talk about this game And like I'm respectful of the question I understand that when a big job comes open and a guy, and it means that we're doing a good job, but just, can you give me a minute?

Like, I just told my kids their season's open. I think everybody would be like, oh, and even that's kind of pulling the guilt trip thing, whatever. Sure. You know? But, yeah, they have to do a job. They're the media. And, oh, yeah, by the way, if you said,

even if you said, hey, can this wait a day, the answer is no, it really can't wait a day because the next day he was named the head coach. But just it's again It's not what you said It's the way you say It's just attacking Attacking a kid

For doing his job Like what are we doing here All right Let's turn our attention now Over to the NFL And well Hold on one more before The worst part is

Texas AGS That's a Texas A&M site All they are Is your hype machine Like no one likes Texas A&M I just A&M Aggie people know this We all think

you're in a cult. We think the yell leaders are weird. Like the whole thing is just, it's odd. Okay? And I, no one loves their school more than Texas A&MX. So their website, those are Aggie people. Like, those are the people that hyped you up, brought in your fans, celebrated your recruits. And those are the people you treat like that? Like, what are we doing here? No, NFL. No, all good. NFL. We'll wrap it up here with this. Things appeared to be heading in the wrong direction.

for Brandon Iyuk and the 49ers as they try to negotiate a new contract that Iyuk clearly wants. The latest update comes to us via social media in reacting to an Instagram post discussing a reported trade

talk between the 49ers and the commanders a few weeks ago. Iyuk jumped into the comments and said, quote, but I thought the Niners was never going to trade me. Clearly this is the latest and installment of star athlete unhappy with a current situation and takes the social media to express it.

Iuke himself also doing this for the second time. The first was a video posted on TikTok of him FaceTiming with Jaden Daniel saying 49ers, they don't want me around. Okay, first thing is, I love this, hey, they don't want me. Do they offer you a contract? Yeah, so they want you. They just don't want you at the price that you want that you want. So it's your value.

You want to, honestly, he's helping the Niners if he draws up more attention from the Washington commanders to get them to overpay because they want him as a wide receiver with scary Terry. But I just, again, what's the win? What's the win in going on social media and crushing the place that you still are under contract to work? I don't get that one. That's right. Music with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Plus gets you ready for tonight's NBA draft. That's upcoming next hour. Plus our guy T.J. Hushman Zata will join us. We'll talk to them about Brandon Ayyuk and some of the other wide receivers which I think we have to discuss. But but let's get to this story real quick about Tua and the dolphins where they appear to hit a

they appear to hit a rough patch in a relationship where you know um the the details report as Ryan you were sharing them with me earlier oh go ahead I'm sorry we're have a little difficulties getting Ryan over to the mic I mean the the idea is this they are at a bit of an impasse right where the dolphins are trying to establish what is market value for tootung of iowa and to his people more than likely are saying hey we saw what trevor lawrence got we seen what all these other guys have got that's the starting point right that's the starting point and look i understand the argument there the problem is what is your comp just use the real estate analogy. By the way, no one's

better at real estate than our boy, Colin. He's incredible at it. Really, really is. But the real estate analogy is, you want comps, but your home is not like that home. Your home has had flood damage. Your home has had things go wrong, and everyone knows they've gone wrong.

Your home looks the part, I mean, look, last year, we made Ryan Clark out to be the biggest clown on TV because he said, and I don't know why he threw in the tattoo part, but the point was that Tua wasn't in great shape. If Tua was in great shape, then why do you have to lose a bunch of weight this offseason? He's been hurt a bunch.

There's not questions about his arm strength. His arm is just not nearly as strong as mostly elite quarterbacks in the NFL. And he has a remarkable surrounding cast. And here's the thing for the dolphins. Like, look, he doesn't actually have leverage. when you're a first round draft pick in the national football league you have a four-year contract they can pick up your fifth year option

or not if they don't then you become a free agent but you're not really a free agent because they can franchise tag you and they can franchise tag you again and franchise tag you again now the franchise tag works dollar for dollar against the salary cap so there is a prohibitive nature to it but I don't know I'd be really interested to see if the dolphins are willing to go to the mattresses for this thing

and not budge because I think people like Tewa around the league do I think that without any question tool would be snapped up and paid $50 million a year I don't think that's the case I just don't

he's not terribly mobile he doesn't have a strong arm he's been hurt a bunch and look this is a minor thing but he is left-handed so you got to change you got to flip around everything you do. I just, it's really interesting that the main reason Brian Flores was let go was he wasn't a believer. And a lot of the ways he talked, he wasn't a believer in Tuatunga,

the dolphins and their brass, same brass is still there. They drafted and they are a believer in Tuatonga Viola, but even that has its limits. Even that has his limits, you know? and I just I think that the more we realize those limitations the more

we're honest about Tua, the more you have a chance of having a better, longer relationship. If you pay him $50 million even over a short period of time you're going to rue that day because it's going to keep you from getting something and you're going to expect him to carry a team

which that's not what he does. At what he does, do is good. You know, can throw to a spot, anticipatory throwing, you know, can read a defense, can understand. He just, he can't deviate because he's not quick enough, athletic enough to move and not get hit. And when he gets hit, I know he's learned how to fall, but he was always getting hurt. The dolphins and two are struggling to find middle ground, which seems to me, like without even looking and knowing the numbers, it's two of people say, all right, look at Trevor Lawrence's numbers. That's our starting point.

And the Dolphins are like, he's not Trevor Lawrence. He's been hurt a bunch. We have a great surrounding cast. Let's be reasonable. The issue with being reasonable is who's reasonable in quarterback contract talks? What was the last reasonable contract? I mean, I guess Jordan Love's contract this year, which is an extension of his rookie deal. That's reasonable.

But it was done before we ever saw him play in an NFL game last. year. Isn't it weird that the quarterback market is one that really mirrors, if anything, society. There is no middle class. There's the haves and then there's the have-nots. And the dolphins built up this base of talent when Tua was on a rookie deal, just like the Niners that built up their base of talent, spending no money in the quarterback room. Eventually, if you have to pay a quarterback, eventually something's got to give.

And like, look, only Mahomes seems to be good enough to overcome it. But his offensive line for a couple years wasn't as good as wide receiving core clearly wasn't as good, although I think they're getting better. And yet Mahomes is able to overcome that. Too is not that guy. So something will have to give, but I don't think it can be weaponry or protection in the offensive line. But something in everybody's roster has to give. All right, coming up next in the herd. Got a spectacular third hour, including what is the best way to eat chicken?

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