The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Browns, Watson

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

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the day after the day after the Andrew Wiggins trade to Golden State took place wait to you here you guys remember Daniel Tosh and what's interesting about Daniel Tosh's he's obviously a comedian and he's a pretty good one very irreverent and has some I mean,

that dude has an ability to go places that few can go and no one has been able to escape recently, right? Like, I saw this thing that Dane Cook, his, Dan Cook's brother ran off with all his money. And I never found Dane Cook funny. But that devastates really sad and devastates me that a guy that could, he was selling out arenas could go to. where his own brother,

you know, siphoned funds out of his account. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's tough. Um, but I never found Dane Cook to be funny. Daniel Tosh, he started that Tosh point O, that was really funny.

They had this web redemptions. Well, now he's on tour. Um, I think he starts out in Vegas, mid July, and then travels all around the country. He has a bit. Yeah, he has a bit that says money,

goes something like this. Money doesn't buy happiness. When you do live in America because it buys a wave runner, have you ever seen a sad person on a wave runner? Have you? Try to frown on a wave runner. You can't. That's a great point. Speaking of which, if anybody wants to go out to the river and have me hang on, you know,

like I got a buddy. I'm supposed to take one of my daughters to, uh, to Oklahoma, to visit, to visit family. And I got a buddy who's like, man, we got a place in the lake in Arkansas. I don't have much time, but he's like, you want to come out on Friday, hit the lake? Who says no to that? Any of these people who are who said like, well, Laker ocean, totally ocean. Look, they both have a lot of redeeming qualities. And granted, there are some bad lakes.

There are some ones that are murky. But due to a lake or ocean and a wave runner, that's happiness. and you can only get those with money, right? They don't give away wave runners without money. So the idea that money can't buy happiness, not really true. Not really true. You can't buy happiness,

but you can put your life in order and maybe create a more happy potential outcome. But money can't buy everything. You know, can't really buy love. Can't. I mean, look, do you want to be able to give people you care about the finer things? Sure. But that's not buying you love.

You know what else? It can't buy culture. You just can't. And I had a, who tweeted me last hour? I had a tweet last hour. Antoine Staley says culture, because I talked about the Brooklyn Nets and their culture. They're not the Miami Heat. Antoine, respectfully, I know you have a blue check, so I have to say respectfully, if you don't know what the Nets had Roland before they had Kyrie and you.

KD just say, hey, I'm not in NBA circles. I don't know about the NBA. That's okay. We can't know about every league and everything that takes place, especially if you don't do this for a living. I do. And I can tell you that in league circles, the Nets, great culture. Kenny Adkinson had going like those dudes were up off the bench.

Everyone who went through Brooklyn was like, man, they're not great. They're not going to win a championship, but they are fun and they are rebuilding it the right way. And of course, we know the story of the day is Kyrie's been, hey, you want a side, and tread, go find one big boy. It feels like the net's end is near. Well, the Browns, the Browns are left with this situation where they basically ran off Baker-Mayfield

in an effort to sign, and they did sign to Sean Watson. And how do you know that you're Cleveland? Anything that Deshaun says about Cleveland, the only thing that matters is he wasn't going to Cleveland for a penny less than they paid him. Or at least that's what. Cleveland feared. And they fully guaranteed his contract.

And you only do that. You only go above and beyond and give somebody the most ironclad contract in the history of the NFL if there's a lack of self-worth there, right? I think the Browns thought that they could buy culture. Like, all right, we're going to, we got a bad culture. You know, Freddie Kitchens, just let this thing go awry. Let's go hire Kevin Stefansky. and let's then we'll go out, we'll get, you know, like, you can't buy those things.

You just can't. You have to grow them. You have to grow them. So there's just not sympathy around the National Football League because they tried to buy their way out of a pickle. Here they had Baker Mayfield. And at first they were sold on Baker and then they weren't. And then Baker lost the locker room. and yet they had a fifth year,

they had a fifth year option that they picked up. They're stuck with him for 19 million. Like, what do we do with this? We can't unload them. Oh, we can get to Sean Watson. Let's just buy our way out of it. You can't. And look at where they are now.

The Browns, despite having an immense amount of talent, like too deep running back, talented tight end, wide receivers, defense. They have a lot of things that a lot of other teams would envy. But their culture is a mess. Complete mess. And now, the guy who you've given the keys to the kingdom for reports are the NFL is going to seek an indefinite suspension of Deshaun Watson, lasting at least one year. Now, you could say whatever you want.

They'll come out and go, look, we expected all this. like I'm pretty sure you did not expect a year-long suspension, and there's no possible way you could have expected this sort of pushback. And look, Deshaun Watson is very talented. He's good. Is he great? I would argue he is not. I know he led to the league in passing. They were a bad football team. Let's keep in mind he's had two ACL surgeries. He does hold on the ball a long time. And by the time he plays for the Browns, it will be at least two years away from, two years removed from his last NFL game. And oh, yeah, by the way, he's going to carry the scarlet letter of the longest suspension

for this type of behavior to ever start at quarterback in the NFL. You're going to lose a portion, not all of. And look, we've all lived long enough to know that the best thing for a career is when you have these sorts of incidents or series of incidents or bad behavior, just hope it happens early on or to the middle of your career because you have a chance to rebuild it. I mean, look at Tom Brady,

I mean, it didn't happen in the middle of his career, but like if you go back to deflategate, he was despised by NFL fans. Now he's beloved. So there is time to rebuild that image. But when you're trying to rebuild the culture and you don't have your quarterback for likely a year.

and the quarterback making starting quarterback money isn't welcomed in the facility. And Jacoby Brissette, while a good, respectable dude and quarterback, like operating somebody else's heavy machinery, good luck with that. You can buy a lot of things in life. And I do think there's a level of happiness that you can purchase. Shout out to Daniel Tosh. but you can't buy love and you can't buy culture. And the Browns tried to do that. You know?

I mean, like, look, pretty obvious. Deshaun gets there. Oh, let's all take a trip to the Bahamas. And nothing to see here. I'm your leader. Let's go to the Bahamas until the football. Like, you're not even going to be the quarterback this year, dude? So you're going to lead us when you're not actually going to lead us?

Very confusing. It's very confusing. coming up next. The Kyrie Irving situation with the Nets is fluid. The report earlier today was that he has sought and received permission to find a sign-in trade partner. Then, Woe, Jason Worsinowski, comes out and says, hey, nobody wants to sign in trade for him. But he could opt out and sign with the Lakers for $6 million. He's got to make that call this week.

What happens next? And then what happens to Kevin Durant? Rick Beaker, join us. We'll get to that next in The Herd. Want more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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and the Brooklyn Nets have been asked and offered or accepted the request of Kyrie Irving's camp to seek a sign and trade. Go for it. Go for it. Adrian Worsdenowski from ESPN reported that nobody really interested. Lakers are interested, but it would have to be and he would have to opt out of his $36 million player option

and take a $6 million deal this week. Rick Buecker joins us Fox Sports One, covered the NBA for years. Let's start with the obvious. Is this repairable in book? Because when I look at the, hey, I want to sign and trade, go for it. That feels like, all right, this is the divorce.

It's over. But is there any possibility of, repair? I don't see it. Not with those involved and not with the star power of a Kyrie Irving. I mean, this is, he's drawn a line in the sand. And this is also a Kyrie Irving who has said, you know, I'm not a puppet or you guys are puppets. I'm not a puppet. And the idea of him coming back to the nets with his tail between his legs because no one was interested or because he didn't want to take the $6 million vet minimum to join the or mid-level, whatever the exception is in order to join Lakers.

I just, I can't see that happening. He's going to have to make the best of a very difficult situation now because I, I've heard the same thing. Like the market out there, the impression that Kyrie Irving has and that other players have. I found it interesting that we've had any number of players in the league who have, in one way or another, defended Kyrie Irving or suggested that he's, you know, at all time, 75 grades, better than people are recognizing. And I started thinking, you know what, all the guys that I've heard that from have never played with him.

Because I don't question Tyree's talent. I question the ability to play with him as a teammate. So what happens? I mean, does he, I mean, like, look, everyone says I want to play with LeBron and the Lakers. Yeah. The Nike deal is going away for now. Do they at this point? I understand, like, well, I'm just saying people always say, like, I'll do it.

It doesn't. Money doesn't matter. Like, okay. Is you going to take a $30 million haircut to play for Lakers? Well, there have been a few guys to have David West immediately comes to mind. How'd that work? By the way, how'd that work out for him? Well, all with Golden State.

But when he went to San Antonio, it was a bit of a disaster. Yep. No, he lost some money in the process. But again, I would say that he did what he wanted to do. I'm never going to fault a guy for that. Or even if it doesn't work out. If he takes less money and he goes to where he thinks he has a better chance at winning a ring, I'm not going to fault a guy from making that decision.

The problem here is that's not what's going on with Kyrie. This is really a battle of wills in terms of who gets to do what. And from the time that Sean Marks spoke after the season, he made it very clear in so many words. that they were resting control of the franchise back, that it was no longer going to be, Kyrie, we're just going to go along with whatever you decide when you're available, when you're not available.

And it was, no, we're going to have a, if we're going to re-sign a contract, it's going to be one that has some stipulations in it, has some incentive clauses, and it's not going to be a long-term deal. We're going to keep you all. on a short leash. And Kyrie balked at that. And now he's finding out that, dude, you may not, like, you may not find a better deal than you had with the Nets. But that turning back, I don't see him now accepting a shorter deal or an incentive-laden deal with the Nets. To your point,

I just feel like this has turned a corner now. And the only question I have is, does KD follow him out the door? And I don't know that definitively at this point, but I would not be surprised. I wouldn't either. I would say that KD would be smart to let the dust settle and see what it looks like. Yep. And then there's Ben Simmons that even played a minute yet. Like, what do they do?

What do they do there? Right. Okay. So, but what are the realistic options for Kyrie? There are. Look, they're not very good. even with a sign and trade with the Lakers, the Lakers can't afford to do that

because the Lakers can't afford to give away any talent. Even if there was, you know, Horton Taylor. Taylor, Horton Tucker. Yes, Tucker. Even if he was thrown into the deal, or they took a piece here, they're Austin Reed,

whatever it might be. Like, the Lakers are in a place where I don't know that Kyrie Irving. It's just adding Kyrie Irving, outright changes them demonstrably. I'm not, I'm, you know, Dremont Green saying they won't beat the Warriors, but they'll be contenders. I don't see Kyrie Irving solving the Lakers' ills. And I don't really believe that LeBron James is ensuesed about the idea of adding Kyrie Irving to the equation, especially when it's not Russ Westbrook going out the door. it's either all of them playing together or you let Westbrook go and you're not getting

anything back in that regard and John Wall, Kyrie Irving, LeBron James, I mean the bottom line is everybody keeps trying to like figure out this Rubik's Q of the Lakers. How do we make them relevant again? How do we make them a contender again? I just, that's just a bridge too far for where they, where they are and what they have, the resources that they have and where LeBron James is in his career. Like Tyree Irving comes in and takes shot and scores, but does LeBron James want to revert back to being a playmaker as opposed to a

scorer? If he wanted to do that, you could have done it this past season. I just, I think, I actually do think, look, they'd be better. I just, I don't know what the rest of the team is. And as you and I have discussed before, they're both completely different. you know, LeBron is not nearly the defensive player that he used to be. Not close. Nobody would be.

But Kyrie is, in many ways, at least offensively, what the doctor would. They need somebody else who can create shots, you know, with the first unit, with the second unit, all that stuff. But again, you still have the Russell Westbrook-Turred contract, you know, like, what do you do with this stink ball? And then I don't know how you form the rest of the roster. And what LeBron has feasted on in the past is, is veteran guys who want to win a ring. Well, one, the league has gotten much younger. And those veterans, we saw Andre Godala like that dog done hunting anymore.

It just doesn't. I mean, look what happened with Brooklyn this year, right? You couldn't play Lamarcus Aldrich, and you really couldn't play Blake Griffin, even though they tried late. Like, all those aging guys, they just, they aged out. Right, right. So I don't know what. I mean, is Tyree going to score at the level for the Lakers that it's going to compensate

for what is already a poor defense getting worse. No. No, no. Again, that's where I don't see. You and I are locked up on this. Not enough people give the proper amount of spec. They think that the Golden State Warriors won because Steph Curry makes crazy threes. That's not why they won because Boston couldn't score.

The defense ratchet it up. Boston couldn't score or couldn't stop turn the basketball over. And Golden State cut down their turnovers from, you know, the pre-KD era when they turn it over too much. I mean, that was a big portion of it. Yes, Steph Curry hits crazy three as well. Rick Buecker joining us from Fox Sports. When I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin is the herd.

Okay, so I did see that Damien Lillard posted on his IG, you know, a picture of him and KD. Yeah. But this would be huge for KD, right? This is a, because he's kind of laid out, like, again. Please make it happen. Doug, make it happen. To Portland? To Portland?

Yeah. Yeah. I want him to play with like the Knicks or I want him to I want to or Boston stay somewhere east or whatever and I don't know. Is Portland the dream scenario for you? I think giving Damian Lillard a chance, a legitimate chance to go up against Steph and the Warriors in the West, I would just love to see it. And I would love to see KD back in that mix, trying to show. that he was for anybody, Warriors fans,

whoever, questioning what his contribution was to them winning those two championships. Like I would I would just love, I just would love to see it. I would just love to, I mean, between Memphis, Golden State, Portland,

God, this is like Denver, Denver's like Ro-back time when it comes to guys. The Clippers will have Kauai and Paul George. Yes, yes, yes. But I I just mean the added incentive of, you know, we've had all this barking back and forth between the Grizzlies and the Warriors and you throw in Damien and KD.

Ah, I just, I would just, oh, man, I'd want the season to start tomorrow. That would be so good. Can I ask you a question of Rick Bueger joining us? Yeah. What the hell was Orlando doing the draft? Like, again, you can take Paula Bunkero. He's tremendous. Okay.

Yeah. He's most likely because he's more physically developed, his games more physically developed, more developed, like he's more likely to be rookie of the year. I get it. Okay. Maybe, maybe,

maybe Jay and Ivy because those guys are just going to run and play and he'll get the ball in his hands. But you can take him, but you don't interview him. You don't work him out. You had the number one pick. You don't have to play coy. And oh yeah,

by the way, everyone knew Oklahoma City was taking Palo Boncaro. right everyone so you couldn't have engaged with the possibility of switching with Houston like Danny Ains did to get to get more picks like I like John Hammond

he did a nice job was with the bucks what the hell are they doing Orlando yeah well I don't know that they didn't try they didn't explore like can we flip and that simply no one bit now I don't know that

but you don't bring them in for a a workout or an interview? Like, are you going to, why would you buy a car? Why would you go test? That's like, that's like, man. Yeah. I really, I really want a new car. Okay, what kind of car?

You get any car you want. Like, all right, well, I went in test drove a, you know, a Tesla. And then I went and test drove a Ben's. And I decided to buy a Lexus. Do you test drive? Like, nah, just saw the brochure and thought it was cool. Yeah, I mean, I look, you're asking me to explain something that's very out of the ordinary. My only, the only rationale I can see is that, uh, one, um, Bancara's

reputation and character, uh, precedes itself. Like, everybody knew that he was, what, what a solid dude he was over the course of watching him play. If you do any, any, any background work on it. Like, so if you're making a, you're making a, last minute decision and you decide, you know what, we don't really have a point guard. He can be more of a point forward than Jabari Smith. We've got a young coach, Bancaro is very low maintenance. I can see a way in which you're huddled up and you talk yourself into doing it at a point where, well, you just feel like, hey, this is,

Where are we missing? What do we need answered that interviewing a guy would solve? And how any of that might have played into flipping the pick? I, you know, we want everyone to think we are taking Jabari Smith so that Houston will make a play for him. That's the only explanation that I have. Rick Bueker joining us. Okay, so I remember the Justice Winslow draft when New York Knicks media fans, right, lost their mind.

Turns out that the Knicks were right to pass on Justice Winslow, right? Yeah. There's a similar freak out to getting out of the 11 pick in this draft. But it does feel like they're acquiring assets for something else. There's going to be a move here made. What is it? Well, obviously, they're opening up space to get a point guard. and taking a run at Jalen Brunson and moving the lottery pick.

I mean, obviously the rookie salary scale keeps numbers down from where they once were, but that's still a chunk of money with a lottery pick that you're not paying this year that doesn't count against your cap. So it works that way. I just, I think it's more big picture in that. like the 11th pick wasn't going to change who you are as far as nix are concerned. And because, and this is my issue with those that are like, oh, they gave it away. And did they give really?

It was like, okay, who did you want them to take that was going to change? Like, I know that there was a movement out there, move up and get Jaden Ivy. Jaden Ivy is not changing your, is not changing anything either. First of all, here's multiple assets to get there. Correct. Right. That's like, and, and oh yeah, by the way, what would Detroit want to have you move up? Yeah.

Like, like, no one, that's why I don't blame fans because they're fans for a reason. But people in the media, like, it's either willful ignorance or you're just lying or stupidity. I don't know what it is. But it's like to go from 11 to taking Jayne Ivy when his, you know, his dad grew up into Detroit and his mom played there, and they want him and need him as a point guard. Like, that was, like, they're not just going to go like, oh, oh, you guys, oh, you're the Knicks. You want to trade up. Here you go.

We'll just swap picks. We're good. Like, no, you got to give up a bunch. It's crazy. And Jaden Ivy is going to be a really good player, I think. He's a freak talent athletically. But it doesn't make the Knicks a playoff team when you have to give up something just to get into the Jaden Ivy business. So there's two big things that are affecting.

that are working against the NICs by people who supposedly have the NIC's best interests at heart. One, Leon Rhodes, not having spoken to the media since the preseason, is crazy to me. Like, where the NICs are, you need to cultivate the patient. Oh, do we listen, guys? I want to get done. You have to. And the other part is Stephen A and Spike Lee, you know, with their heads in their hands on draft night. Oh, no, here we go again.

Like, none of that helps. That just allows everybody to feed into the Knicks suck and they got to do something tomorrow to change the course of their franchise. They're not in a place where one move gets them anywhere. So this idea that, oh, no, we did it again. It's like there was nothing to be done on draft night that was going to dramatically change things. And so I just feel like it puts this, it creates this sense of urgency. We should have done something yesterday. And it's, I mean, honestly, it's that lack of patience and that belief that the Knicks are supposed to be a champion every year or championship contender.

And if they're not, they're failing miserably. That's why they are where they are. That's why they've had this streak of, you know, losing. Because that's not how championship teams are built. And yet that's what the expectation is every single year. Speaking of how championship teams are built, the Golden State Warriors, with the exception of Andrew Wiggins, and they fell into the Gary Payton second deal.

But for the most part, like they built from within, what do they look like when they play next year? Well, I mean, obviously they're still going to be really, really good. and I would expect that they're going to be able to retain, you know, they're not going to retain everybody. I don't know that Otto Porter is going to be back. Kind of depends on does somebody throw some ridiculous money at Gary Payton or Kvonne Looney that prices them out? But I would expect that the warriors are going to do everything they can, even if it's overpay in order to keep this crew together as much as possible. And I would say that they have to be the

favorite going in next year in the same way that I thought that it would be, it was really crucial for them to win the championship this year because guys have to make sacrifices and guys are going to have to continue to make sacrifices if they want to contend again. And if you don't win the championship. And Andrew Wiggins looks at his role and goes, well, I did all that. And yet I didn't get a ring out of it. And Jordan Poole looks at it and says, I, you know, I want to play a bigger role. Everybody starts to think about themselves a little bit more. When you win a ring, it's, man, okay, I have to make some sacrifices, but I got, I got the ultimate prize. I'm willing to do it again. I think that's what they have going for them that

that makes a huge difference in the way things go next year, even when it comes to guys taking a little bit less. The tough one is going to be like a Gary Payton, who's, what, 30 years old, has never had a payday. You know, this is his chance to cash in, and somebody throws some crazy money at him. I don't see any way in which he could say no. He's got a ring, and he gets, you know,

financial security, I wouldn't blame them at all. But it's those pieces who I think are, and I think they're very important pieces, those are, those are the ones that the Warriors are probably going to have to overspend if they want to keep them. Be great stuff. Thanks so much for joining us in the herd. Always pleasure, Doug. The pleasure is all mine.

All right, here's what we're going to do. Andrew Wiggins has a message for all the haters. Am I one of them? You will hear the audio of the day after Andrew Wiggins was traded to the Golden State Warriors. That's next in The Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.

Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straightfire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pod pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight Fire gives you honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at the sports book, and all the best guests. Do yourself a favor and listen to Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.

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Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of taun-tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Doug Gottlieman for Colin, this is The Herd. I saw this. this is an interview with a complex, where Andrew Wiggins, after winning a championship, doing a little bit of a victory lap, rightfully so. The question, you were, you all were doubted when you got traded to the Warriors, there were people who said the Warriors' window is closed, they would never win a championship again, let alone get back to the finals. Does this

make it even more gratifying to prove the naysayers wrong, the doubters wrong, or do you even pay much attention to that. Well, first, how many questions in that one question? A lot. Andrew Wiggins' response, when they talk, it's all motivation. When I first got to hear, everyone had something to say. Now everyone is quiet. It's good to just make those guys kick rocks.

It's good. It's good. I wouldn't say everyone is being quiet and everyone had something to say, essentially that was negative. Here's the way back machine. Colin asked me about Wiggins coming to the Warriors

and why I liked it and I said it was more than culture. Take a listen. Yes. Yes. But I don't think it's just environment. Okay. Remember, he had a reputation that preceded him when he grew up in Canada, played at Kansas as being a guy who he just played not an alpha.

That's right. Not a killer. Right. And then that kind of got reestablished. And then remember, now they had Carl Towns. They had Jimmy Butler, that didn't work. Right. He's been through multiple head coaches, different front offices during his tenure,

which is not a long tenure in Minnesota. I think it has to do with environment. Fit is a big thing. And expectations. It's the idea of they don't need an alpha, they don't need a beta. I mean, like,

look, the leadership and toughness has already, the toughness is Dremont. The go-to guy is Steph. The defender. The defender and, and defensive leader as well as best shot maker shooter in the league is Clay Thompson.

Like he can just play and not carry the burden of being a franchise player and that fits who he is. So not all, it wasn't all naysayers, it wasn't all negativity. And it did play out as such.

But it's interesting that everybody hears the noise and no one or not enough people understand that So much of it's about fit and role as well as environment and culture and coaching. And opportunity. Right.

Opportunity. Let's get to rhyme music with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Doug. Turn our attention to the NFL here. One thing that all NFL fans around the league are probably keeping their eye on right around now is what's going to happen with the Steelers and

their quarterback situation, obviously looking to replace Big Ben as he steps into retirement. Well, they drafted Kenny Pickett. They signed Mitch Trubisky. And according to Mark Caboli of the Athletic, it looks like it's going to be Trubisky at this point. He wrote in his article for the athletic quarterback Kenny Pickett worked exclusively with the third string offense in OTAs and mini camp, and that unless Trubisky gets hurt or plays terrorized. in camp and the preseason. It's difficult to imagine a scenario where he doesn't start the season as the number one.

Hmm. I'm not a Kenny Pickett guy per se. Is it because he wears gloves? Yeah, but I think he wears gloves because he has small hands and you're playing in an environment like that. I just don't think he... I mean, like, look, they're going from

polar opposites. When you had Ben Rathesberger, a giant of a man. giant of a man who held the ball too long and, you know, you know, tried to make every play to a Kenny Pickett who's a cerebral, get rid of it quick, get out to somebody in space. Again, do I think it could work in the short term? Yeah, but when the weather gets bad, I don't think that's who the Steelers are.

So am I willing to believe they're a really good team because they got a really good coach and a really good culture? Yes. but do I think a kind of punch in Judy quarterback who most believe was still overdrafted and overvalued because of the lack of top-end quarterbacks? Yeah, I think that becomes an issue at some point. Yeah, it does feel like this isn't a great sign thus far, especially considering in that draft. You looked at someone like Kenny Pickett.

The whole idea was he had all of this experience, all of these starts in college, meaning he was probably the most pro-ready to come in and play right away as opposed to some of the other quarterbacks, even like a Malik Willis, who had tons of raw athletic talent, and he was going to need time to develop. You were more so hoping that Kenny Pickett would be the guy right away, and for him to already be in the third string slot

behind someone like a Mitch Trubisky or someone who you know Mason Rudolph, who aren't sitting here as like true franchise quarterbacks in the league, I'm sure if you're Pittsburgh, you were probably hoping for a little bit of a more promising showing from Pickett to be able to be that next guy. Yes. I mean, look, this is what I've heard from Pittsburgh is that last year was a fraction of the offense they wanted to run because Big Ben refused to turn his back to the defense. Wouldn't do it.

So there was no play action game because he refused to turn his back to the defense. I think the idea of Trubisky is, if he doesn't have what he wants, he can run for it and he has experience. Plus, he's a great guy. Mason has experience within the offense and within the system. There's obviously been some limitation. They wouldn't have drafted Kenny Pickett if they were all in on Mason Rudolph. But you're right. Everyone's different.

Trey Lance was a guy who you expected to come along slowly because of the level he played. I only played one football game his last year in college. That wasn't the expectations for Kenny Pick. Transitioning to another team, this time in the NFC, that'd be the 49ers. We thought everything might have been mostly settled between San Francisco and wide receiver Debo Samuel when he returned from his offseason trade request to attend mandatory minicamp. Although it has been pointed out that despite him attending, he did not participate.

And now NFL insider Jeremy Fowler is reporting that Samuel has still not formally rescinded his trade request as they have yet to agree on a new contract. Do you have to formally rescind it? Or you just kind of sit out there? That's the weirdest thing. I would like to formally rescind my trade requests. Again, like Debo Samuel, he doesn't want to be used in the way in which they found a way to use him and be super effective. They want to pay him.

They just don't want to pay him what he wants. He's under contract and they can franchise tag him. This is one of those guys think they have a lot more leverage than they actually do, especially in the NFL. Yeah, especially now with the new CBA, which is heavily punitive against skipping things like mandatory mini camp or holding out in training camp and the team's ability to levy heavy fines. It feels almost impossible or incredibly financially irresponsible as the likes of a Levyon Bell once found out when he sat on an entire year and how that turned out for him. It also feels like at some point, the 49ers are feeling as though we really need a playmaker like

Debo Samuel to help bring along a quarterback and Trey Lance that we need to develop, given how much we invested to trade up and get him. And Debo Samuel, probably the next best thing to a Shanahan-like offense would probably be what we're going to see in Miami with Mike McDaniel, their former offensive coordinator. Yep. But they just went and traded a bunch of picks for Tyree Kill. So it's not as if between Jalen Waddell and Tyree Kill, they're somehow going to be looking to pay a bunch of money. for Debo Samuel.

So likely his best option at getting the most out of his career is in San Francisco, too. He's just not happy with this current situation. Look, I think the Niners have some great football players, and Debo is one of them. And the Niners have never said they don't want to sign Debo Samuel. It's somewhere between the most money anybody's ever made and where he currently sits that they'd like to find a way to do a deal. You know, if you don't want to play ball, then you're under contract. We don't have to be forced to get rid of you.

Plus, it's a bad time of year to get rid of somebody because the draft has already taken place so we can't replace you in the draft. He's not going anywhere. That's my read. And that's Ryan Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. The Cup thing is interesting, right?

The Aves won the Stanley Cup last night. And I'm kind of fascinated by it. Like everybody says, like, what would you do if you had the Stanley Cup? Like, I don't know, do you have just like a chill night with your family and friends? Or you go do something spectacular. So it's an interesting call. We also have a best for last, which, you know, when I was originally asked, the best for last is, and you can send in your suggestions at Gottlieb show on Twitter and on Instagram at Gottlieb show.

the five must-haves for a 4th of July. Are we doing cookout? Cookout. Cookout. The net sold their soul. What was the price? Find out next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This to hurt.

Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an occupier Pella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all. embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.

I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey,

or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that. excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilled of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84's big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors.

Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. It was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.