The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Changes for Baseball, Eric Mangini

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. All right, here we go, hour two and a Tuesday. Live in Chicago, it's the herd. You know, J. Mack, you know this because you lived out east for a while. In the people think of the biggest difference between the West and the East Coast when you travel. If you go to an airport on the West, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Arizona, L.A., if you go to an airport and all you can see is sun, your plane will take off. But on the East Coast, Boston, D.C., you know, it could be Dulles, it could be Reagan, it could be JFK, it could be Newark,

It could be the airport I was at Providence. It could be the sunniest day of the year. But there could be a string of lightning storms in Albany, and you can't get out of town. And so that's the difference between travel that I forgot, because I lived in Connecticut for 10 years, is there's a lot of airport delays in the summer because of lightning storms and the humidity. So I got back a day late, but it's great to be here. We got a lot of stuff going on, actually. Yeah, I'm real curious. What's that Providence Airport like?

You need an airport scale on like a zero to 10. Are they a seven? Oh, it's great. great. They need more food, but it's great. They need more. It can't be great if there's food. Come on. The whole taking off and landing thing is good, though, for sure. So, okay, here we go. Cooper Flagg, what a summer league debut. The highs, the lows, the fight. I'm here for all of it. It lasted two games.

I'll get to that in a second. The summer league is a little, you know, it's fun for fans. And I think the NBA has done a great job with Vegas. I like the highlights. It's fun. I like watching it. I don't think you can take a lot out of it, but there's two things I've taken out of it. Number one, Yang Hansen, who was called a reach when the Blazers drafted in middle of the first round. Yeah, that's not a reach. That kid, man, that is Yokic handles, IQ, they're not a lot of seven-foot-one, 20-year-olds that elevate others. They're just trying to figure out themselves. that kid is, I mean, feel, touch, it's a little yokic, Shen Goon from Houston, like, I'm sorry.

That kid's got something. And again, NBA physicality is different. You're playing against a lot of rotational guys in Summer League or guys that don't make the league. Whatever, that guy is something else, and he showed on draft night, he has a sense of humor. What are some of your interests and what do you think you'd be doing? if you weren't playing basketball. Sometimes I sleep, all time sleep, and I like play PS5,

and I like eat. Yeah, there are some things, you know, that are overvalued, but touch and feel and the elevation of other people, players around you. You could see that from LeBron James in high school. You could see that very early as Yokic was trying to refine his game as a second round pick. This kid's got some real some real finesse touch. How does he deal with the physicality of the NBA? That was shockingly impressive. That kid can, there is a feel that you cannot teach and that kid has it and that's exciting. The second thing is

Cooper Flag did not need more than two games. So I've been on, this is one of my theories that because you get such young players in the NBA, like in the NFL, you get guys that are 23 years old, they're men, they're developed. Jared versus a man, he walks into the league. Jalen Carter's a man. A major league

baseball. You get drafted, you go to the minors, but the time you're in the bigs, you're a man. Same with the academies, the MLS. But in the NBA, you're dealing with 17, 18, 19, 20-year-old kids. So I've always had this theory. I would put every rookie, every rookie on a minute's restriction and a game restriction, every one, because in college football, you go from 14 games to 17.

They're 23 years old, let them play. But college basketball is 35, 36 games, much slower pace, much less physical. You've got a shot clock. Okay, the NBA is the bullet train. even at Duke, how often does he go up against an NBA player? So NBA is faster, more physicality, 37 games of college to 82 games of bullet train basketball. I would limit rookies, even like a Cooper flag. You're going to play 65 games. You're not doing back-to-backs.

I'm going to take, I want the home fans to see a lot. I'll reward the home fans. I'm going to give you some night games off, some road games off. excuse me, some road games off. So I would be minute restriction for all rookies because I think the jump from college basketball at 18, 19 years old to the severity and intensity of the NBA is too big a leap to do 82 games, physical pace of play.

Wouldn't do it. College football is different. You're older, your body is more refined, you're more of a grown man, and you're going from 14 games to 17 with a buy-in-between. I'm good with that. So anyway, that's my take. The kid in Portland?

Wow, that's impressive. Okay, so, you know, it is, as they call it, the silly season. So people like me in this industry, you could be a columnist. You're kind of trying to fill space. So one of the things I heard over the last week is Nick Sabin is going back into college football. So I do not buy it, although Lane Keffin, who knows Nick Sabin well, said he'd does. First of all, I have no knowledge that he's coming back out of the game, but he does that.

I just, he's so sharp still. I almost feel like it's a waste that he's not. No disrespect to the media in what you guys do, but his ability to coach players and change lives in that, and he's so good at that, I just think he'll be back whether that's NFL or college. Okay, so I don't buy it. and I don't know what he makes. He's probably making $10 million a year to work 25 days.

He can play a lot of golf. He can be on he doesn't have boosters. He's not dealing with the NCAA. And I don't think he's going to go back to begging high school football players to come to a college campus. I don't think Kalin DeBore is going to get fired. The bottom line now with NIL, schools don't have the

money to buy out coaches. Lincoln Riley is not going anywhere. Kalin DeBore's not going anywhere. You're paying $25 million, $20 million, $15 million for players. You can't do those buyouts anymore. The other thing is, so there's not going to be that many openings, and Nick Saban's not going to go back to Michigan State. If he's going to an opening, he's going to a top five program. I think college football right now is a 24-7 turnstile of recruiting. I think it's daunting.

I think it's a young man's game. And I mean, honestly, there's a reason Jerry Seinfeld's not going to do another sitcom. Why? 17 years, six national titles at Alabama. The only thing you can do is hurt your legacy. And I was never a big believer in legacy, but when it's as good as Nick Sabins, don't screw with it. It's Seinfeld doing another sitcom. Don't screw with it. So, and my thing is, being a TV analyst is not as rewarding, and there are times I think he gets frustrated. I mean, every time I watch him on Saturdays on television, I want more of him and less of everything else. I could just watch Nick Saban talking college football for an hour. I think he's that good. But, and I think maybe he gets frustrated with that. He wants more time to expound upon his

incredible knowledge. But when he left college football, he felt still pretty young and dynamic. And I think he comes that way across on television. I don't think he goes back. Now, I don't think it would be a Mac Brown feel where you could see the age very quickly. But you've got to remember this now with the NIL. There's about six schools that, I mean, that, that feel like it's different. Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Georgia, even if a coach was struggling at one of those schools, how are you going to buy them out? So you'd have to pay for Nick at 15 million a year and buy out your coach. Have you looked at the buyout for Kalin DeBore and Lincoln Riley? You can't do it anymore. The boosters are paying too much money for NIL. So it used to be when you

weren't paying the players anything, you'd get two or three boosters, pay 30 million bucks and get rid of the coach. You're not doing that anymore. So you're going to see, I mean, in my opinion, you're going to see fewer coaches getting fired, more players getting paid big money, and I don't buy, I don't buy Nick Saban. I think there are a handful of legacies that are too great to tamper with. Jerry Seinfeld and sitcoms, don't mess with it. Nick Sabin coaching college football. Yeah. Don't mess with it to me. And also he's very good on television. So, you know, what's the point? All right, Jay Mack. You're going to be watching the All-Star game tonight on Fox? Yeah, very excited. It should be a good one. You know, there's not a lot happening right now in the

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and Gordon Ramsey is the legendary chef. And he's got burger places all over London. like he could have high-end French restaurants all over London. He knows what people like. He's a great chef. He could do the French stuff. He could do high-end Italian. And he's got multiple restaurants, so I'm sure he has some of that.

But he's got burger joints everywhere, the late Anthony Bourdain. Like, where does chefs go after their shift? They go get greasy hamburgers because it tastes good. Like, in the end, All-Star Games and sports need to be fun. I mean, there are several things I love about sports. One of the things I love about sports is that people look inward. They blame themselves. If they have a batting slump, they're not going to blame the hitting coach.

They're going to blame themselves. Politics is all about pointing fingers at others because you don't want to lose a primary or a midterm. And so you never want to admit fault. Even if you lose an election, it was rigged. It's all posturing and projecting. Politics is the worst. It's all blaming others. It's never acknowledging.

And sports is the opposite. it. It's all like owning your crap. Our roster has to get better. I have to get better. My teammates have to get better. Our game plan has to get better. But the thing that baseball has done recently, they've looked in the mirror. Rob Manfred looked in the mirror and said, we're too precious. We have to be honest about this. Look at the Savannah bananas. You've got to be entertaining.

And putting a phenom in from Milwaukee, who's a 6-7 kid who throws 100 miles an hour and using the ABS system, let's just get it right. let's be entertaining. Don't worry about purists. You can open up a million French restaurants. Most people don't like them and most people can't afford them. And I tell people this all the time about California food. It's got the best food truck food in the world. You can go get a chicken or a fish taco in Los Angeles. It's unbelievable. You can put down 20 bucks, get a couple. And I don't care that it's out of a truck. I don't care that it's outside. It tastes great. you can go to your five-star French restaurant.

Don't get too precious. Baseball's at its best when it's highly entertaining. And I want to watch the night because of that 23-year-old kid. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. We'll start with the Philadelphia Eagles this hour, Colin.

They are coming off a rousing Super Bowl, just absolute dismemberment of the Chiefs. And Nick Siriani, the head coach, doesn't want to use the word repeat. Instead, he wants to focus on sustained success, adding, resting on your laurels and resting on your past accomplishments. Error. All right, Nick. I didn't know he was dropping wisdom bombs. And it was all of a sudden a philosopher, Nick Siriani.

But listen, he's made it to two Super Bowls. By the way, what was Nick Siriani before he partnered up with Jalen Hertz? Just curious, Colin. Listen, he has been a bit of a revelation. I think it does help that he's got a great owner and the best GM in the sport. I think that does help. And I also, you know, things have fallen in his lap. The Giants incompetence in the front office giving him Sequin Barclay.

He's had some breaks. But Nick Serian, like a lot of times, you know how they talk about a comics, comic, or an actor's actor? There are coaches that from the outside don't play well. But in the room, they work. And I think Nick Seriani is a guy that in the room, players like him. They buy into his messaging. Wait a minute. So after they got to this first Super Bowl, remember him and Hertz had some beef.

There was some issues. He was like borderline hot seat, Colin, before Hertz and Sequin Barclay bailed him out. So like, let's not, I'm not ready to say he's like an elite. Is he an elite coach in the league? Well, I think Eric Spolster is a better coach today than he was his second year in the NBA. I think everybody has, I think young. people have to grow. It's I know what I get with Nick Saban as a coach. I know now what I get with Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin's first job at the Raiders, mess. USC, still immature. All of a sudden

he goes to Florida, grows up, looks in the mirror. And now Elaine Kiffin, to me, he's a top five or six coach in college football. Wow. I mean, I think he's a great coach. But it's a process. So I look at Nick Seriani, and I trust him today more than I trusted it three years ago. Now, I do think he's, he is fairly beholden to his quarterback coordinators like Andy Reed and Sean McVeigh

and let's be honest Kyle Shanahan run through coordinators irrelevant I think Siriani's a little more beholden to good coordinators I don't think he's Andy Reader McVeigh as a coach but that's okay everybody's

beholden to somebody in life Andy reads much better with Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback than he was in Philadelphia with his quarterback so but I think there are there are actors, actors, and comics, where I may not think they're hysterical,

but among comics they're really respected. I think Nick works in the room. He doesn't always work at the podium. He doesn't always work on the sideline, but he works in the room. I didn't see this take coming from you. So, I mean, maybe we could do it later, but later in the week or summer,

but it sounds like you're bullish on Siriani as a coach and you've seen growth and maturity, and you like him a lot. Do you think off the top of your head he's a top five coach in the league? No. Okay. No, I don't think you Sean Payton or Andy Roe.

I don't think he's, I don't think he's Kevin O'Connell as schematically. But I do think he's grown. I do think he has a great GM and solid ownership. And I think he's figured out some things he doesn't do well. Much better at the podium. I think he's mostly gotten away from some of the juvenile, you know, kind of boorish silliness on the sidelines. I think he's grown up some.

I'd said it's with Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield today is different than Baker Mayfield seven years ago. He's grown up. He's looked in the mirror. He's been a real adult. He's probably at some point either Emily or a therapist that said, bro, you've got talent. You've got to get past all the fanboy stuff, like grow up. And he has.

And now Baker's a top 10, 12 quarterback. But it's interesting because Jalen Hertz you had as pretty clearly you think he's about ninth best quarterback. And from my perspective, there's zero chance that Nick Siriani is considered a better coach than Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback. I agree. Just for the point, I mean, Jalen Hurst has had a different offensive quarterback every year he's been in the NFL. That's right. So I know you're a little lower on Hertz than I am, but I just find it hard to believe people would think

Siriani's an elite coach. I don't think they do. I don't think they do. I think it works in Philly. I don't think if he had a really bad GM, you know, and didn't have the stability of ownership, I don't think he would, like with Jimmy Haslam in Cleveland or Jerry Jones in Dallas, I don't think Nick Seriani would work.

I think there'd be too much meddling, and he couldn't do his job. he's able in Philadelphia to just coach. I mean, just, in fact, when he first got there the first year and he was having to call plays and they didn't give it to Shane Steichen, he wasn't as good. The minute he gave it to Shane Steichen, they went in a heater. So I think he's just allowed to be a CEO as a coach and not necessarily into the schemes as much, and I think it works.

Yeah. All right, let's go to the 49ers. So yesterday I got a little ugly, Juan Jennings came out. Mind you, this is the middle of July saying that I'm not going to report if I don't get a new extension, trade me, you know, I need money. And, well, the latest, 24 hours later, he has decided he will attend training camp next week

as he enters the final year of his contract. Jennings only making $7.5 million. Two years ago, he had very small usage. Zen had a great Super Bowl. Remember, he threw the touchdown pass and caught one, and he was in the MVP discussion against the Chiefs. And then last year, Ayukert, Debo, in and out of the lineup, Jennings' numbers went through the roof.

He had like 111 targets. And this is an interesting one, Colin, because they can't afford to lose him right now. Debo Samuel's gone. I have a question. You don't hear anything about contracts, camp from the Rams. Why are the Niners so noisy? Every year, Kyle Shanahan's team is noisy. You don't get any of this from Sean McVeigh's team.

Let me ask you, it could be specific to Jennings age. He's 28 years old. He got in the league in 23. DiVos. Ayuk is a nightmare. Jennings, you can keep saying that. But then why did you give him a contract? I would not have done it.

Why are the Niners so noisy? This is a good point. And listen, maybe it's because Brock Purdy just got paid, and Jennings is saying, damn, I'm 28. Garrett Wilson's making all this. I better get my big contract now before I miss out on my window. He's barely made any money on the pros. The Rams are literally, Jared Golf was going to Super Bowls.

He was invisible. Well, they were noisy with Cooper. Cup this off season before he Cooper Cup was noisy and then Cooper Cup was shown the door. It was over. But I mean, to me the Niners have become a very noisy franchise.

I mean, if you just take the wide receiver position, Iyuk, Debo, Jennings, just that unit. It's just too much noise for me. That's why I have him finishing third behind the Rams and the Seahawks. And do you have the 49ers in the playoffs?

I'll go either way. Depends on the camp and who's. stays healthy. Oh my God. Let's make that a meal wager. I could use a nice steak dinner. Final Story Con is Chicago Bears and Caleb Williams, obviously big expectations for your Bears. Ben Johnson has been trying to build a winning culture and Roma Dunzee. The budding talent and wide receiver spoke to his coach's approach so far. He's been hard on us, man. He's been hard on us. You know, holding everybody accountable. You know, I don't know he heard any of the stories about him at practice, but, you know, he's straight.

And he's detailed. And I love it. You know, I think the team loves it because, you know, that's the sort of standard and accountability that we need to go far. So, you know, he's very dialed in with his offense and he's very, you know, detailed-oriented, and he's very knowledgeable about, you know, offenses, defenses, and the game of football as a whole.

He's an offensive coach. I'm good with it. I'm literally, that's to me, the key to all this isn't any of that. It's just he's an offensive coach and they have to figure out if Caleb Williams can play and the way to do that in this league is with an offensive coach. You can figure out pretty quickly if a guy can play. So I know that expectations are a big thing.

Obviously, Jim Harbaugh goes to the Chargers. They make the playoffs. What's a reasonable expectation for the Bears? If they finish last place in the division, but they're 9 and 8, is that a win? No. I think they have to battle for a playoff spot until the final weekend or two. I think they have to be a viable playoff-ish team.

That's your floor for a round. rookie head coach? This roster's way too good to be finishing in fourth place. Well, again, that's the toughest division in football, no? Well, they've got more high-end players than Green Bay. Who's Green Bay's second best player? Josh Jacobs

won, who's their second best player? Okay, well, fine. Green Bay quarterback. Jordan Love or Bacalb, Jordan. Green Bay coach or Ben Johnson or Matt LaFleur. LaFleur. Come on. I don't see how they're better than Green Bay. And we know that the Lions are the favorites. If you stacked up, the 10 best players, Packers, Bears, Bears,

Bears have seven. I might need to see your, you need to show your work on that math assignment, college. Are you sure the Bears roster is that good? I'm not saying that good. I think it's better than Green Bay's top. It's got more. To win a Super Bowl, you generally have to have like seven elite players mostly in their prime. Mostly.

They've got to be close to their prime. Just into it, maybe just out of it or just left it. But if you go look at most Super Bowl champs, like the Eagles last year had like nine elite players, seven were absolutely in their prime. Their two corners were great, but they were both rookies. But they had a larger number than usual. Yeah, and Kansas City a couple of years ago had a lower number than usual, but they had a couple of good corners. Chris Jones, Mahomes, Kelsey, Joe Tunney. But bottom line is you generally have to have seven elite players close to their prime to win a Super Bowl.

Core Green Bayes. Yeah, again, you know, it's the offseason. I need to check the updated depth charts. I'm pretty sure Green Bay had seven first-round picks in the starting defense last year, seven or eight, something like that. They've got guys just, for whatever reason, last year the injuries mounted at receiver.

That's an interesting one. So Packers or Bears, huh? We agree with Vikings are better than both, right? Well, we don't know if J.J. McCarthy can play, so no. I know Caleb can play. I watched him. He just has now he has a functional coaching. staff. I don't know if J.J. McCarthy can play a lick. I won a national championship

through years ago. So what? A lot. A lot of guy. Tim Tebow did. Who cares? It doesn't mean anything. What does Caleb want? Well, I watched him play last year. In the NFL? He had 20 touchdowns and six turnovers and by the end of the year, a parking attendant was coaching the team. I mean, seriously. J. Mack with a news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. So Arod and I agree on this. I would have Ms. playing tonight. I have no problem with Juan Soto playing.

Is that there's an All-Star game tonight. It's an All-Star game. It's not deciding anything. It's a celebration. You know, and I thought A-Rod using Magic and Bird as kind of metaphorically or as an example for why he would have Juan Soto of the Mets playing in the All-Star game. I love the kid from Milwaukee being there as we started this conversation. He's only had five stars fine.

But if this is a game of stars and entertainment and you have partners like Fox, Juan Soto needs to be in Atlanta because there's no one I'd rather have on the set. And you can't tell me there's 60 players or 60 stories more compelling than Juan Soto, who's had a phenomenal June. He was a player of the month. Back in the day, I watched Larry Bird and Magic. I could care less if I had a bad first half or an average or a pedestrian. I want to see Bird and Magic in the All-Star game every year, year,

you're out. Yeah, and I also think baseball is like golf. It's very unique, is that players do have prolonged slumps because baseball and golf, you have a lot of time off in between shots and it bats, and it can be a very mental sport. But I can't wait to watch this kid pitch tonight. I think it's going to be great. Six-seven throws absolute gas, 99-mile-an-hour average pitch. And I know he's only made five appearances, but Paul Skeen for Pittsburgh a few years. Didn't he make the All-Star game with only 10 or 11 appearances? Everybody wanted to watch Paul Skeens in an All-Star game. So it doesn't bother me at all.

All right. Eric Mangini is around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. Starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name,

Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little Notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Sunday at noon Eastern only on Fox. So I fashion myself as somebody who, if I didn't do this for a living, I would want to be a GM in the NFL. Now, you know, again, that self-confidence has not always worked in my favor, but I love the architecture of building teams. My staff makes fun of me. I'm doing mock drafts all day. And I've always made the argument that there's only about seven quarterbacks at any given time in the National Football League.

If I was a GM, I wouldn't take a phone call on. About seven. There's also about six to eight offensive tackles. I just don't think the world produces six foot seven guys with good feet at 330 pounds. So there's probably six or seven quarterbacks I wouldn't even pick up the phone on. Maybe seven or eight offensive tackles. I'm not picking up the phone on. And there's some pass rushers or defensive lineman, Jalen Carter, Jared Verse, Miles Garrett.

There's probably seven to ten defensive linemen. Again, unique individual talents, I would not pick up the phone on. But I would pick up the phone if you called me about T.J. Watton, Pittsburgh. And with that, Eric Mangini is now joining us live because I think he's in his 30s. and I do think when you start talking about a third contract for a violent position, I'm going to take a phone call. So a year ago, I suggested, guys, you're spending a lot of money on defense. I'd take calls on T.J. Watt.

I got a lot of pushback. My theory is, quarterbacks, left tackles, and an occasional young defensive lineman, Jalen Carter, Jared, Verse, I'm not taking phone calls. But you hit 30, I'll take. I'll take it. What do you make of that theory? So I would have taken T.J. Watt calls about a year ago. I'm not sure if I would take the T.J.W.

calls or not, especially if I'm Pittsburgh and on Pittsburgh this season. It's not like they're loaded up offensively, and that's going to be able to carry the day. When you look at T.J. Watt, he's had a little over 30 sacks between the last two seasons. Every single game, you have to account for them. single game, he's the guy that offensively, you go into the room and say, look, this player can ruin the game for us. And that has a very powerful effect on the rest of your defense. And if you want to move him around, you can. Everybody's trying to figure out where he is. It makes the players around him better. It seems like he's a good locker room guy and a good

guy overall. And this impasse to me is a little bit of a function of his last contract, Colin. I think he gave in on the last contract. And that's probably why he's so dug in at this point on the new contract. Did you ever have a player that you would not take a phone call on, that he was so valuable on the field and in the room, you wouldn't take a call on? Yeah, well, Dereau Revis, once we saw his trajectory and the impact that he could have, he was obviously a guy that we were, didn't matter what you offered us, we were going to make sure that he was a jet for the long term. Now, he ended up moving on after I was gone,

but I think he changed a little bit as a player as well and as a locker room presence. Well, it's interesting with T.J. Watt, because he is the soul of the franchise. What you're saying is the offense isn't good enough to give up on him. And, I mean, by the way, that's the advantage of having Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Matt Stafford. You can move off a Cooper Cup. So to you, it sounds like what you're saying basically is, who's your quarterback? Then I can talk about moving off-star players. Yeah, when you've got a fairly average offense right now,

now and then they're hoping it's going to be better than last season but who knows what Aaron Rogers is going to produce then you're going to have to win on defense and when you're in a division where you've got Lamar and you've got Joe Burrow and you've got them twice a year and their problems it's hard to make the argument to the locker room of hey we're going to move on from the guy who's giving us 30 sacks over the last two years we're going to move on from the guy who's who's every offense has to deal with um because I don't think they're good enough in other areas to really have that discussion at this point. So Brett Veed said recently the GM of the Chiefs is that I don't worry about Travis Kelsey.

When the red light goes on, he'll be good. He may not have it every week. He'll be good. I tend to believe that Travis Kelsey has achieved so much in his career and has so much respect in the room. That is true. And do you believe that, that there are certain players that it's understood like, listen, this guy's old. Maybe Aaron Donald, although he didn't dip much. But have you found in your career that with the Patriots maybe?

There are guys that you understand. They're beat up, but they'll be great the seven to 12 times a year we need them to be great. Yeah, and his numbers weren't terrible. When you look at his numbers compared to the rest of the tight end group, he still had a pretty impressive season. It just wasn't Travis Kelsey impressive. So there's that. And then when you look at his off-season column,

that's where I struggled with him going into last year. He had the relationship. He had the new TV show. He had the game show. He had the podcast. He was coming off back-to-back, shortened off-season with the Super Bowl appearances. That's a lot of stuff going on for a guy that is that late in his career. And one of the things I really am excited about going into this season is he hasn't done any of that this offseason.

It looks like he's taking some time to decompress, to reload. this may be his last season. There's an appreciation of that. I would imagine you're going to get a different version of Travis Kelsey, even at the start of this season than we saw throughout all of last year. So NFL scouts, executives, and coaches were polled about quarterbacks. And I said, this is about as accurate a list as I can ever remember seeing in the last four or five years. So this is the people that draft them, scout them, coach them.

and the list, you know, some people were bothered by, you know, Jalen Hertz at nine, but of the eight guys ahead of him, I don't think he's necessarily as good in the pocket. I think IQ, leadership, character, toughness, strength, he's through the roof. Is there anybody on this list that you take exception with? Well, it's interesting. Two, three, and four, to me, Colin, could be a toss-up. And we had this discussion on first things first. My point was if you took Patrick Mahomes out of the equation and you could have all the GMs draft any of those three guys, whether it's Alan,

Burrow or Jackson, a third would want Allen, a third of Burrow, and a third would run Jackson, depending on what your offensive approach was and, you know, guys feel differently about each guy. But to me, that group of three, it's just what you like and how you want to run your team. with Jalen Hertz being where he is, I understand that to some degree, because when you look at after he got paid, there was a little bit of trying to get him more on the marquee. So it was 30 attempts a game, and it wasn't very good. He had 20 turnovers.

They had that long, you know, that terrible stretch down on the end, that bad playoff game. And then you fast forward into this past season, if you look at those first four games, Colin, they're two and two and he's throwing the ball 30 times a game. Yep. When they wriggle him back in, it's a totally different equation. Then they start winning.

He's like a 20 to 25 attempt a game guy. Yep. Good defense, good running game. He'll make good decisions. But a little similar to Dak. If you try to make it all about them, it's not going to be what you want. And that's why he's at nine. Yeah, they had a week five by, and they had a philisphi,

philosophical change. Much like Brady had first year in Tampa, like week 14, he and Bruce Ariens, he's like, we're going to run my offense now, coach. We're seven and five. We're going to do it my way. And it didn't lose the rest of the way. So they had a philosophical buy week with Kellyn Clemens, and his passing went down at 24 times a game, and they went 12 and 1.

So, I mean, this is not a criticism. There are volume scores in the NBA. And then there are guys that are just better off being efficient players. is going to take a lot of shots. There's not a lot of Luke is out there. So I'm kind of with it. And by the way, Baker Mayfield at 10 does not bother me. Two years ago it did, but I have him about 11, 12, but I do think that something has happened in the NFL coach. And I've seen this with Gino Smith, Sam Darnold, and Baker Mayfield. There are so many good young offensive coaches that guys can miss on their first franchise. 20 years ago, if you missed on your first

franchise, you were in the garbage bin. It was over as a quarterback. That's not the case anymore. I think Baker now is a top 10, 12 quarterback. What say you? Yeah, I absolutely agree. And we forget, we have such a high expectation of quarterbacks coming out of college that they're going to be great right now. But the reality is that human beings all develop at different rates. and human beings inserted into different organizations with different coordinators and different head coaches having those experiences, that can have a dramatic impact on how quickly they develop as well.

But as you give some of these guys some time to get it figured out, and then they hit with the right system, they'll suddenly they look like the guy that everybody assumed they could be. So it's an impatient league, especially at quarterback, and hopefully people are learning the lessons of maybe you give these guys a couple of extra shots down the road, and then they hit big. It's a little bit like the new lottery, and that's what the Jets are hoping for with Justin Fields. Yeah, if you extrapolate Justin Fields numbers last year over the course of a season,

he would be like borderly. You know, he was actually 4 and 2, passer rating was in the mid-90s. It's like, you know what, I think your point is I have enough kids. Everybody grows at a different pace, especially boys. They mature a little later. And I think a lot of maturity by Baker Mayfield as he aged, he kind of grew up and looked in the mirror. Okay, I got to throw this at you. Years ago, somebody called me and said, what do you think of it?

It was a college. And they said, what do you think about Mangini as a coach? And I said, well, I think he would work because he develops players. And I think he's not a barker. He's a developer. So I don't think I even told you this. As one of our steak dinners, I don't know if I ever told you this. So somebody called to tell what you think about Manjin.

I said I would put him on a list. I think he could work at college. I don't think necessarily all pro coaches work in college. They don't want donors. They don't want to recruit. A lot of nonsense in college. But I heard a story about Nick Saban coming back, and my take was, I think now the NFL's better for older coaches than college coaches.

Or maybe I'm wrong, the NIL helps Belichick in college. If you are Nick Sabin's advisor, because he's good enough to coach pro or college still, Would you recommend pro or college all things in, transfer portal, crazy owners in the NFL, NIL? What would you recommend? Well, the fact that Bill Belichick is coaching college football to me is beyond believable. He always used to talk about it. Now he'd never ever coach college football because there's too many bake sales and pepper rallies. But, you know, that landscape has just changed dramatically.

and it's gravitated towards pro football. For me, if I was advising Nick, I would advise him to go to pro football because that's where he hasn't achieved at the same level as he has in college football. And I think he can. I think Nick in the right organization would be fantastic. And I don't think a lot of people realize

that Miami failed Drew Brees on his physical. you know or Drew Brees would have been a Miami Dolphin with Nick Saban and that would have been really interesting to see how good that team could have been but I I like the idea of Nick going to pro football and and seeing what type of impact he can have on the game because a lot of the players that are coming into pro football now with NIL money that there's it's not the same distinction of guys that there used to be Eric Mangini undisclosed location. I was not very far away from you are right now,

and I've got to tell you that's good living out there where you're at right now. It's a beautiful day, and I might head out and get a little son, Colin. All right, Eric Mangina. Right there, Fox Sports. Good senior coach, as always. Yeah, I don't think if I was Nick Saban. It's just, listen, there's no perfect. job. If you're in the NFL, because the owners are now all billionaires and they've got their

kids, there's about seven great owners in the NFL, and I'm not joking. And there's about seven great jobs in college. I mean, what's a great job in college? Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame with NIL's doing well. Texas. Phil Knight, Oregon's a pretty good job. You forgot about Texas Tech, Colin? Oh, yeah. They're buying a bunch of players. That's not a great job. We did a piece on it last week while you were, you know, jet-setting around the globe. Texas Tech has a billionaire who's just basically got a blank check. Yeah, but then I'm beholden to one booster.

Like, no thanks. Well, I mean, you know, Clemson's not even taking, wasn't even doing NIL money for the longest time. Now you've got some billionaire who's just like, yeah, let's go get the best left tackle. Let's overpay him. I don't know. Texas Tech has a squad right now. Listen, you got to be careful about NIL. USC's done a lot of transfers.

LSUs and a lot of transfers. How's it worked out? Colorado's done a lot of transfers. Not everybody's managing their money well. They're just handing it out. You know, like, that can be risky. Yeah, I am all for players getting paid, but I think you should bring in maybe six guys a year,

six or seven a year. But some of these programs are beginning 12, 15 a year. Chemistry matters in sports. Yeah. You just, all of a sudden, I pay a receiver more than any of my current receivers, and my current receivers won games for me the previous year, and I'm paying a guy from Louisville. Not good for the room. Hey, guys, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

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