The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Climate is going to hurt Miami

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Thoughts on Thursdays Dolphins-Packers game and why the climate is going to matter Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the Michigan-Ohio State game and the college football playoff   Guest: Joel KlattSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, here we go. It's hour two and a Wednesday. Thanksgiving's tomorrow. Thanks to Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Fame coach, for stopping by. Joel Klatz coming up next. Final hour, Greg Kossel, usually do Thursdays. We're doing Wednesday because the staff, the team is off Thursday and Friday. This is about the 50-50s, you know, or midfield for the football season, maybe a little bit encroaching into the other team's territory. So, J. Mack, who had major facial hair yesterday, looks like a ninth grader.

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So I do think a fascinating game in the NFL tomorrow is Miami. Green Bay. And, you know, Tua has not been a great cold weather quarterback, and it's funny. I think weather and climate plays a much bigger factor in sports that anybody wants to admit. Who was the leading medal winning country in the 2022 Winter Olympics? Norway. It's amazing when your proximity to mountain ranges. They're not nearly as good in the summer games. I don't know what it is. We'll do a deep dive on journalism there. But it's just the reality of it. If you go look at September records in the NFL. Denver since 2000, home

September games, been a lot of average Bronco teams, third winning his record at home in September. Why? You come out of camp, you go play high altitude, play at 8,000 feet or whatever it is, all of a sudden you're gasping for air in the fourth quarter. And by the way, every

single, since they introduced beach volleyball in college, USC and UCLA have won every national championship. Climate matters, proximity to mountains matter, Green Bay is a very good cold weather team in Miami's terrible. If you go look at Tua. I mean, in fact, look at this.

Think about the dynasties in the NFL. They go through cold weather. The dynasties since Vince Lombardi. Green Bay, New England, Steelers, Chiefs, all cold weather. And then Dallas and San Francisco. Well, Dallas, ice storms happen regularly in the winter in Dallas. Dallas gets snow. We've watched games our entire live.

Thanksgiving, Super Bowls. It gets snowy and cold in Dallas. And San Francisco, as Mark Twain said, the coldest winter I ever spent was my summer in San Francisco. So San Francisco is not a warm weather market. So the NFL goes through cold weather. Not a lot of dome teams win in Super Bowls. No dynasties, the warm weather teams.

I mean, even when Miami had Marino and Shula, even when the Chargers had fouts and air cori-L, they couldn't create a dynasty, even though they were the great offensive teams of their time. Here is Mike McDaniels, the coach of the dolphins on going to Green Bay. how do those narratives about Dolphus not being able to play in the cold make you specifically feel?

Well, you know, I was just going to carry ice cubes in my pockets and throw them at players all week. Yeah. I think everybody, Jimmy Johnson just said it, to go up on a short week, to plan Green Bay in the 25 degrees, it's different.

It will look different and feel different. To a, grew up in Hawaii, played at a high school football power. Then he goes to the SEC. It's Alabama, mostly warm games. And then he goes to the Miami Dolphins. He just does not have a ton of experience. And it just so happens in the NFL right now.

The best teams are Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Kansas City, Buffalo. So if you're going to win a Super Bowl, you know, maybe you get lucky. But it seems to me, you know, you're going to have to go play in nine degrees a couple of different times. If you're Miami and their only way in this year is a wild card team. So I really like the dolphins a lot, but you're not hoisting a trophy. It just weather and climate matter than more people think. Now let's bring on the voice of college football at Fox Sports. Joel Clatt, who is doing Michigan at number two, Ohio State.

What's up, dude? How you doing? Happy Thanksgiving to you. So I don't get too worked up on the 12-team playoff. We've got two weeks to go. Okay. The rankings you mean? Yeah, okay.

I mean, Notre Dame going to USC. They haven't played a round. ranked teams since September. All SC games look the exact same. No, USC is not nearly built in the fashion to compete with Notre Dame.

It's a terrible matchup for USC. What about what about Texas Texas A&M? Bad matchup for Texas A&M. So let's go over both of them. USC, you've got to be tough in the trenches because with Jeremiah Love in this run game, including Riley Leonard, who can run the football a little bit

for Notre Dame, you've got to be stop in the run, which means you've got to have a great defensive line. That's exactly where USC is thin right now. If they want to win, they would want to get you in space and they want to just say like, okay, let's equate talent on the outside. And then they've got some weapons. But if you take them into a phone booth and you say like, hey, let's go play a trenches game, they're not built for that right now. Now maybe they will be through recruiting and development and things in the future, but not right now. So USC, they're not built to beat this. Notre Dame team, even at home, even at home.

Meanwhile, in that Texas, Texas, Texas A&M game, it's similar in the sense that A&M has to be able to run the ball because they don't throw it well. Yeah, they have a freshman quarterback who's getting better. He's getting better, but when they don't have Levion Moss on the field, they run the ball for under four yards of carry last week against Auburn, and they can't throw it very well, so it's like, okay, well, wait. So you mean to tell me your offense is stagnated because your running back is out,

and now you've got to face Texas, which has a great pass defense with Jade, Barron, who's a Thorpe Award finalist, Makuba, who transferred in from Clemson. I just don't see how A&M is able to score a lot of points against this Texas defense that, frankly, is one of the better defenses in all of college football. I feel the same way with Michigan.

If you're going to beat Ohio State, you've got to have to score. Oregon did it. Indiana tried. I don't think Michigan has the firepower, do they? Yeah, you know, they finally had it last week. Do you see, they scored 50 against Northwestern? Now, granted, that's Northwestern. So I'm not saying that all of a sudden

their offense has arrived, but their offense is better now than it was early in the season. But I agree with you. I just, I don't get the sense. Here's the thing about Ohio State. So Ohio State just has answers. Whatever type of game you want to drag them into, they probably feel like they can win that game. And that's not the case with every team. Yeah.

They feel like they could probably go win a talent-equated game just throwing the ball with their wide receivers and Will Howard. They probably feel like with their run game, even with the, you know, banged up offensive line, but when you have Travion Henderson and Quinshot Judkins, you feel like you can go win a running game like they did with Penn State and they finished the game on the field, grinding out first downs in a four-minute offense. They feel like they can go out there and win a defensive-oriented game. They're the number one ranked defense, both total and scoring defense in the country. They've done it both rushing the passer and sitting back and playing zone. So like all of a sudden, you look at this team and there's an incredible amount of balance and answers, regardless of what

you ask of them, they can at least provide an answer. And I think that's a big credit to Ryan Day in the way that he built this roster and this team. But Michigan doesn't have that this year. They did last year. Yeah. And they had answers against Penn State. But now, you know, without J.G. McCarthy, it's like, what are you on third down? Yeah. Do you know what like J.J. McCarthy, the reason he was a top 10 pick is because of what he did on third down. He was the number one quarterback in the country on third down. He kept him on the field. He protected the defense.

He won the time of possession. Those extra first downs turned into great field position. And now when you don't have that, it's like, okay, now the defense is more exposed. You don't have the field position and you're not getting the ball down the field. So Michigan's going to have to pull a bit of a rabbit out of their hat in this one. And they're going to have to do so in the same physical fashion that they did the previous three iterations of this when they won the game. You know, speaking of cold weather, you were just talking about. about cold weather. It's supposed to be like mid-20s and windy.

So it could be a game in which you've got to run the football 50 times. Do you trust Michigan's offensive line this year to run the ball 50 times against Ohio State? No, that's not. Their D-line's great. D-line's great. Two top 12 draft picks on the D-line and a great corner,

Will Johnson. I know, and it's been a bummer. Will Johnson has been out, basically the back half of the year. So they've had to move their nickel, Zeke Barry, out of the outside, and he plays corner. I hope Will is healthy and gets healthy, because he's a terrific player. So I was a little reality check for SEC fanboy yesterday on the show.

I said, you know, when you stole Texas and Oklahoma from the Big 12, you're like, that's what we do. The downside is Alabama now doesn't get the Middle Tennessee state. They had to go to Norman and they got humiliated. And I don't have any sympathy for, well, we play a tougher schedule. Well, I mean, do, sorry. I bristle because they don't play. nine conference games. They play eight.

Oregon had to play eight consecutive weeks of Big Ten play. No SEC team comes close to that. Now, I'm not saying that Georgia's schedule has been easy or Alabama's schedule has been easy. The top of the SEC is terrific. It really is. The problem is that you lose me and you lose the benefit of the doubt when you start losing to five loss Oklahoma and seven lost Kentucky. It wasn't that Alabama lost. Austin, Oklahoma.

They got smashed. They weren't competitive. Correct. Absolutely correct. And that's a problem. And that's a problem. And now people are like, well, what's the path for Alabama in the playoff? No path?

I mean, I know the committee kind of... No, you can't let BAM in. I don't think so. You can't let BAM in. I don't think so now. It's over. It's over. With some chaos, I think they would get consideration.

I'll let you lose to a big dog. And I'll give you a mulligan. Vandy was the mulligan. Sure. You don't get a second mulligan with a 12-team playoff. No, listen, I agree with you. I mean, you lost a tough game at Tennessee. I'll give you that.

That's a good game. I'll give you that. The really good team. And I'll give you them all good. And Vandy on the road, you're like, okay, there's your mulligan. And he's pretty good this year. You cannot go to OU, by the way, in their previous six games against the FBS. FBS.

They were one in five. Yeah. And they got their doors blown off. You know, so like, that's my frustration with all this. And then to see them sitting there at, 13. Now, like the committee, the committee has such a clear bias towards the SEC and have forever, which is like, I know that that's kind of baked in, but it's real. Meanwhile, Indiana gets ranked behind SMU. Indiana's got a tougher strength of schedule. Their loss was to the number one,

number one defense in the country in Ohio State on the road. Meanwhile, SMU lost to BYU. They've got like a five point win over Nevada. Like, come on, like what are we doing? The college football playoff system is just so flawed and at the heart of the flaw is this committee that the committee has no rationale for the things that they do. They take the path of least resistance

generally speaking even though they didn't do that last year and they give us these rankings like you cannot tell me that Indiana should be ranked behind SMU. That's not a thing. Yeah. I will say this about Indiana is it didn't bother me when Will Howard did the SIG thing for

Kurt Signity, the coach. I thought Indiana came in a little hot. A little cocky for my taste. I am a man of a humble servant to American listeners. Yes, clearly. I didn't like their attitude. They were a little much for me. And I think Ohio State said, you're Indiana. Chill pill, good season.

There's no doubt that the approach that Kurt Signetti has taken. Very aggressive. It's been very aggressive. Yeah. And I want to touch on both sides of this, if you don't mind. But there's no doubt that there was a lot of folks at Ohio State that were like, come get some. Yeah. Like, let's go. This is a big boy table. This is where we live. Yeah. You know, you've been dreaming of getting here and you

think you're breathing this rarefied air. No, no, no. We live this 365 days a year. And, and there was definitely that feeling. Now, having said that, if you're Kurt Signetti and you take the job at Indiana and you go there and you walk around the campus and you walk around the building and you get this sense that like, hey, everyone's just excited for like nothing. There's no energy towards success. It's always like, well, how are you going to do it here? You really think you can win here? And to him, so he wants to build something up.

He's like, I have to rattle the cage here. And while he's rattling the cage at Indiana, trying to communicate this like, hey, guess what? Purdue sucks and Michigan does too and Ohio State does too. And he's saying all these outlandish things. You have to understand. He's not doing that to try to communicate to Purdue or to Michigan or to Ohio State or any other fan base. He's doing that for his own fan base and for his own program. And he and I have talked about that.

He's like, listen, I would have handled this a lot differently if this was a different place. But I had to rattle the cage hard here at Indiana to try to shake loose some sort of belief that we could actually do this and we could do it in a quick fashion. Well, Barry Alvarez did that, you know, 30, 40 years ago at Wisconsin. Is that Wisconsin? Do you ever hear this story about Barry Alvarez? So he came into Wisconsin and everybody said, oh, boy, our facilities need an upgrade. He goes, I love them. Yeah.

Be proud of these facilities at Wisconsin. These are great facilities. We're not changing the damn thing. Great Camp Randall's great. And by the way, Dion did that at Colorado. He did? When he got the job at Colorado, everyone was in like, well, how are you going to recruit in the middle of the country and oh man

Colorado's been been down and destitute for two decades like what are you doing why did you take that job and he came in and he was like look at this place look at this place this place is great you know and he immediately built it up to something that maybe the the people that were there didn't even see and that's what signetti was doing and Dion drew a lot of ire for that early last year in his

first year and now Signetti has drawn a lot of ire for that in his first year at Indiana I know that you're cozy with some of these big name coaches, so I'm going to put you in a tough spot. Okay. Okay. So, I said, let's hear it. So Ohio State and Ryan Day is in a weird spot. Everybody's like he's got to beat Michigan.

The problem is when he does, you're not going to get any credit. You're like, oh, they're hard balls got. And then he beats Oregon. You'll be like, we got better players, and they already beat us. So revenge is hard. He won't get any credit for that, even though Oregon may be the best team in the country. It's weird. if he beats Michigan and Oregon.

And beating Oregon anywhere is hard. And then he goes and plays Tennessee, and he loses his first game when they spent 20 million. People are going to be like, oh, that would be all over him. They're the only team in this tournament. There is only one result.

They'll be allowed to lose in overtime to Texas and the Natty. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Ohio State's the only team with the coach.

many will subscribe to. We got the wrong coach unless he gets to the name. Listen, I agree with this. And Ryan is a ridiculously successful coach. His record, the timeout, his record is 66 and 9. It's wild. It's wild. He's got the highest winning percentage of any coach with over 60 games.

And he has remade this program and built it into something that has answers. Like, this is a different team this year. than they've had over the last three years. And by the way, so him stepping away from play-calling duties, that was a huge step for him. Sure. Because he's one of the elite play-callers in college football. So he's-Kippen struggle with that.

He steps away from play-calling duties. But look what it has provided them. Look at this, Colin. Check this out. So this year, you go into this year with Chip Kelly calling the offensive plays and Jim Nulls on the defensive side. And they're going through the year and everything's hunky-dory. And then, bam, you lose at Oregon.

And now, again, the sky is falling because at Ohio State, you can't have one bad day. You can't have one bad quarter. They didn't even have a bad day. No, they get a flag thrown. And was it right? Was it right? I don't know.

They lose the game by a point at Oregon. And the sky is falling because it's Ohio State and you can't lose a game at Ohio State. But what did he do? Because he made the decision to be a CEO, he was able to go in and look in at the defense and say, what do we need to change in this defense? He was able to do that with his offense and they're like, what do we need to do with the offensive line? lineup in order to make us better. So now when you look at their team from the Oregon

loss on defense, they've changed a little bit and evolved. The previous three years, his team was never able to evolve because he was so integrated in the offensive side. So the defense never got extra eyes on them. The offense never got extra eyes on them. Now he's a true CEO. And so Chip gets extra eyes on the offense. What can we do in the run game? What should we do with the offensive line? Jim Knowles gets extra eyes on the defense. What should we do with the pass rush? Why did we not get to Dylan Gabriel, but now we're getting to Curtis Roark? Because they changed and evolved rather than a straight four-man rush. They started to bring the extra man in a blitz. They started to slant. They started to stunt. They started to do

these things that has allowed them to have success. And that only happens if he evolved as a coach himself, stepped away from play calling duties and became more of a CEO. It's not a story that's often told, but like, that's what you need to do. By the way, guys that call their own plays don't win the national championship. Yeah, you got to give it up. The last guy, I think, was Jimbo for Florida State. It just doesn't happen. Yeah. And so you're right about the standard and him going into this. And then the last point that I would make, this playoff format, and we should be, we should be, I like it. I get it. But I don't need another bull game in Shreveport. I like it. No, that's fine. I'm not saying that the playoff in general.

I'm just, think about the format, though. When you give the top four seeds just to conference champions, that means that the four seed is likely going to be the 10th or 11th best team in the country. True. Which means that there is actually a cleaner path for the 5 seed than there is the 1 seed, which means if you're in the Big 10 championship game, do you want to win it or do you want to lose it? Because the five seed, in this case, plays a home game against Arizona State and then a second round game against Boise. The one seed, what do you get for winning the Big Ten championship? Possibly Georgia as your first playoff game.

So what would you rather, you answer this? What would you rather do? Play two games, one against Arizona State, one against Boise, or one neutral site game against Georgia. Yeah, it's not perfect. It's better than what we had, but it's not perfect. I mean, they should recede after the first round. I mean, it's so obviously clear. What, what's wrong with that?

I mean, it's a good idea. They're not doing that, though. That is no shit. Well, I know they're not. I'm just saying that they should. Yeah. Don't we reseed in the NFL? The number one, the number one, if you get the buy,

yeah, yeah, yeah, they do. You play the worst remaining team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's absolutely what you. If we want to honor the regular season, but again, we have the same people. It's the same individuals that gave us like the Bull Coalition and then the Alliance and then the BCS and then the original playoff and now this 12 team playoff. And it's like they've never gotten it right.

Why did we allow the same people to build this? The format's wrong. I don't disagree with you. Now, again, you're going to ask you an uncomfortable question on Thanksgiving week. How do we view, Deion Sanders credit, he acknowledged. We were buying our own media. Now, Kansas. Kansas, by the way, as well, coach.

So give the Jayhawks credit. They have a football program now that's redeemable, and they didn't forever. But let's be honest. How do we look at Colorado? Are they just interesting? And we'll leave it at that. They're not great. They're not, but they're an interesting part of the sport, and that's just what they're going to be.

You think he stays there for sure? Are you sure? No, I'm not sure. Thank you. He told me he was. but I mean with coaches like I don't know I mean I bumped your segment two weeks ago but you never know

know loyalty is a hard thing that's right you did you did there was a lot of questions in there how do I view this even if they don't go to the big 12 championship game like if they beat Oklahoma State but don't get into the big 12 championship game I just think they're a great new fun story in college football they're not elite they're fun

they're new I like them Colorado has fundamentally changed college football what do you mean by that? They provided a blueprint for how to quickly turn around an organization and a program through the NIL that was totally dormant. And so Indiana used that with 27 transfers. And so now in college football, not only is there an expanded playoff and there's an expanded

avenue towards the playoff, but you've also got different ways that you can go and actually be successful. Dion showed to the rest of the country that with some, charisma and investment, you can go out there and find requisite players at the lower levels of football and bring them in and win right away. And in a short two-year span, they're going to be an eight or nine-win team, possibly play for a Big 12 title. That was never afforded a team that was one and 11. It was a three or four, five-year process for a one-and-11 team to actually change. So then all of a sudden, Indiana's like, well, hey, we can do that. Let's go get a guy like

Kirk Signetti and bring him up from the lower levels. And he brings all of his JMU guys. guys. Colorado laid the blueprint for what Indiana is doing this year and more teams are going to follow it. More teams will do this and that's good for the sport because what we've had is like a cycle of elitism or the same five and six teams win every single year. Why? Because they get the best players. It's not like the NFL. Well, the worst team gets the best player. Here, the best team gets the big best player because they had this monopoly monopoly over the avenue to success. That's no longer the case. And part of that avenue was paved by Dion Sanders.

So he has fundamentally changed college football forever. You said two weeks ago you would not be bitter if he went to the NFL. You would appreciate what he delivered. And I agree with that. But today, Shadoor goes number one. There's about seven teams going to replace their coach. Are you 50-50 stay or go? What do you think?

What's your gut feeling? I think it would be really hard for him to turn down the New York Giants or the Dallas Cowboys. Okay. Those brands. Now, here's what I will say, though, is that, and I've made this, this, it's not really an argument,

I've made this point before, and I think that it remains truer today than ever, which is, as much as Colorado was desperate for Dion Sanders, Dion Sanders needs a place like Colorado. Colorado turned over the keys. Dion could be totally, himself and turned Colorado into prime. He had the keys to the castle.

Traditions were out the window. You can do whatever you want. He had clauses contractually where he could keep his merchandise and wear the sunglasses and do all of the things that make Dion Dion and allow him to mentor young men at the college level, which I know he feels like is his calling. Go to the NFL and see if you get all of those. Go to the NFL and see if you can do all of that. Like that's, he would be so restricted in the NFL that he couldn't even, I don't think, be himself. You know, like Kyle Shanahan gets reprimanded for wearing the wrong flat bill hat, much less, you know, like Dion, do you think he can wear your shades out there and all of the, I just, I think Dion Sanders is a great fit at Colorado. Granted, I'm a Colorado guy. So I understand

that I have a dog in the hunt here in the fight. But, But saying that, just think about it for a moment. And it's like, Dion works at Colorado not only because of Deon, but because of Colorado. You know, you and I legally can give money to a collective and help a program. That's true. Do you? I buy the long snapper at Cal Poly. Some guys are out there buying Michigan quarterbacks. I'm out there.

I'm not getting anybody. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. And controls the ATM. I don't get a card. I did hear that. I can't wait for April when the House settlement actually goes through because then every team will be more on the equal footing as far as the revenue that they can share.

I'm not a big equal footing guy. I'm glad you are. No. Equal footing. So you would rather just like, what? You explain it to me. I like. You're a coastal elite.

No, I've got it. Yeah. That's what it is. That's not what it is. No, that's okay. You don't have to explain. We got it. No, we got it.

On this, on a week of Thanksgiving, when you're all cozy in your homes in the middle of the country, suffering that cold weather, remember Colin Coward thinks San Francisco is cold weather. Yeah. You know what the first part of that elitist is? Coastal. Elite.

I guess I'm elite. Well, like Michael Jordan and my homes. If the shoe fits, wear it. If the shirt fits you call it, Colin, wear it. You know? Like, I'm not going to let you marginalize me as I. I'm not trying to. I'm building you up, you know.

As you said yourself. The first part of elitism is elite. That's right. Thank you. You bet. That felt great. It did, didn't it? Kind of.

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he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night to night bases on offense. And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, lover and a Gen X woman walking through life one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time.

You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a paramedipausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with the Adamia Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden I'd had hanginess happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her. So I didn't even consider how empty that nest is going to be. Mood swings, night sweats, Fupa's, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45. How hard can it be? Getting naked at 50 with a new guy.

That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public. Listen to how hard can it be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my My Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country. From IHeart Podcasts, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam? I should stop talking so much. I like hearing you talk. One city, a divided country, and the war that tore America apart.

This is for Vietnam. I've taken a hit from Japanese ground fire. Do you rate me? They're pouring petrol all over him. He's holding matches. I'm on a landmine. Or three die! Let's get out!

Freedom from Vietnam! Run! Saigon, starring Kelly Marie Tran and Rob Benedict. Sting here's madness. The world should hear about this. There's a fire coming to this country, and it's going to burn out everything. Listen to Saigon on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. We were talking about cold weather. The game tomorrow that I'm really interested in watching, I mean, there's three games, but I think it's fascinating to watch Miami and Tua go up to cold weather. So the first bet you made this week was Green Bay. I think it's the strongest bet on the board tomorrow. You know, at three points.

I think Green Bay tends to play well at home. to begin with. It's a short week. I think the better team at home short week. And Miami's got that cold weather thing. And Jimmy Johnson, who coached the dolphins and the Miami Hurricanes, talks about the dolphins heading north. Both the University of Miami and with the Miami Dolphins, I hated going into the cold weather.

And, you know, I think the dolphins are in a situation right now with their schedule. If they could beat Green Bay, they had had an outside chance at a playoff. Now, but they have to win. beat Green Bay and they're not going to beat Green Bay. You know, a short week against a good football team in 20 degree weather, I don't think that's

going to happen. I don't either. Jimmy also talked about, and this is something I've said, is that one thing we know is true in the NFL. If you pay a quarterback, top of the market, and he's not a top five quarterback,

that was Minnesota, Kirk Cousins, Tua and Miami, DAC in Dallas. That's why I wouldn't have paid DAC. It's not complicated. I mean, when Tom Brady was in New England, running the league, he was not the highest paid quarterback.

When Drew Breeze decided, I'm going to restructure my deal in New Orleans and make it more team friendly, they won a Super Bowl. And here is Jimmy Johnson on why Dallas made a mistake paying huge money to a good, not great quarterback,

Dak. Prescott. First of all, I would have never given Prescott a new contract. I'd let him play it out. You know, because he would, you know, he's the highest pay player in the league. He's not the best player in the league. And he wasn't going to go anywhere. If he had gone to the Super Bowl with him, hey, he wasn't going to go anywhere.

Pay him whatever. You know, and if he, you know, struggled in the playoffs, then you negotiate. Or if he got hurt, you saved money. But they're so financially strapped right now. I don't know, I don't know what they do. And do you want to trade Micah Parsons? and get a second first round pick? Could you get a first and a third for...

I mean, they have to get a running back. There's one great one in the first round. I would argue they need... Arizona Wildcats have a great receiver. T-Mack, McMillan. I think they could use him opposite. I mean, if you're going to pay DAC that kind of money, you've got to make sure DAC succeeds.

Right? Like, if you're going to pay the quarterback, then you've got to protect him. You've got to protect your asset. The insurance company for the assets, the offensive line. So they need a top back. They can't afford it.

They need another top receiver. Well, they can't afford it. They can't afford T. Higgins. So to me, I would try, I would move Micah and try to get a first and a third, and I would take that running back from Boise State, if I could. I would take that receiver from Arizona, and I would give my quarterback deck, Prescott, more weapons. He's proven because last year they attacked the offensive line.

You can win a Super Bowl without a great defense. I mean, we have Baltimore as a team that can win the Super Bowl. Their defense stinks because their offense is electric. J-Max around the corner with Herd Line News. Greg CoSell, top of next hour. Can't wait for that in a Wednesday. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week,

within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast for people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman helped make you funny. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win. matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stopped by, like Quentin

We dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, I'm Deanna Maria Riva, actress, mother, and a Gen X woman walking through life, one hot flash and hormonal crying jag at a time. You ladies know what I mean. I'll bet you a paramedipausal chin here you do. So let's talk about it. Join me on my new podcast. How hard can it be with the Adamia Riva, where I call on my Gen X squads from Ohio to Hollywood

as we navigate midlife's most fantastic BS. All of a sudden, I'd had hanginess happening on my own. I was like, what the hell is that? I was married when I had her, so I didn't even consider how empty that nest was going to be. Suit swings, night sweats, fupas, sex drive. Wait, what sex? Dating at 45.

How hard can it be getting naked at 50 with the new guy? That one's kind of hard. Well, that's lighting. They say we can't polish a turd, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears or tears of laughter, and dive into it, unfiltered and unbothered and ask, how hard can it be? I cannot believe I'm about to say this out loud in public.

Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Diana Maria Riva as part of my Cultura Podcast Network available on the IHart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us. The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country. From My Heart Podcasts, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam?

I should stop talking so much. I like hearing you talk. One city, a divided country, in the war that tore America. America apart. This is for Vietnam. I've taken a hit from Japanese ground fire. Do you rate me?

They're pouring patrol all over him. He's holding matches. I'm on a landmine. For freedom. Let's get out. Freedom from Vietnam. Run! Saigon, starring Kelly Marie Tran and Rob Benedict.

Sting here's madness. The world should hear about this. There's a fire coming to this country and it's going to burn out everything. Listen to Saigon on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Join us tomorrow on Thanksgiving Day for Fox as Seedy Lamb and the Cowboys take on rookie sensation Malik Neighbors and the Giants.

The action kicks off at 4 Eastern on Fox. I thought the Cowboys were soft tanking. Pretty good effort against Washington. There's an update on that game. It sounds like Drew Locke is in line to start. Ooh. I don't, that might be good, except... I'm taking Cooper Rush.

He doesn't have either of his tackles, it sounds like it. I'm tell you. He gets very loose with a football. Michael Parsons' splash game on Thanksgiving. Dallas is suddenly playing themselves out of a great draft pick. Yeah. What if Mike McCarthy stays? No. Are you sure?

What's today? November 27th? Yeah, I would be well in a wager. McCarthy is not there next year. I don't know. Tide maybe. Does he want to be there next year? Do you want to deal with the circus?

They're not good. They don't have good players. People don't walk away from $10 million jobs or whatever. They just don't. You sure about that? Well, smart people do. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with one of your favorite teams of Chicago Bears. Calling that offense has turned things around. Shane Waldron, they kicked him to the curb, and Thomas Brown and Caleb Williams are working magic together. Caleb says the offense feels a lot better. I think time on task has been extremely important. You can't ever beat that, being able to have time on task.

And so, yeah, I think that has provided a sense of clarity, a sense of belief and things like that. Just be decisive and have an open communication with all the players and coaches and things like that. And from there, we've grown. I'm very excited. Most four and seven teams aren't interesting. The Bears are. Good watch. Got some big decisions to make, but I like them.

So we got two games of data on tape of Brown and Caleb. All right. I think Aaron Glenn's cooking up some stuff. Oh, I see what they're doing. That caught the Packers off guard, and the Vikings weren't ready. Lyons going to be ready tomorrow? Is this a Thanksgiving beatdown? I have a feeling.

I like Detroit minus the point. I saw a stat Goff and Campbell have lost all their Thanksgiving games together. I know. Remember last year, Goff was awful. Three fumbles, one was the scoop and score. Green Bay went in there and worked them last year. That was that was that Jordan Love's coming out party. That was. If the Lions

are going to, everybody's going to finally buy in this is the Super Bowl team. Like we have, the Lions have never done anything in 50 years away. How big of a win for the Bears would this be? Maybe this would be the coming out party for Caleb Williams like Jordan Love last year. Ooh.

He can make plays. That's spicy. I don't know. Over under. What's the team total on the Lions? 41? They're going to score a lot. Yeah.

But would not shock me if there was a letdown from Detroit. Because now it's like everybody. Like, were you the one that said it yesterday? I didn't think they played very well against the Colts. So you and I both had the Colts last week, plus seven and a half. Idiotics. And they still on the road against a decent team didn't play well and won comfortably. Maybe they're just that good.

I want to see a smash 4213. They're not beating Chicago 4213. No. Chicago's going to put some points up. Okay. All right. Let's move to the next story. and that's the Cincinnati Bungles.

What a weird season it's been. The only constant has been Joe Burrow cooking all season. Pittsburgh head coach, Mike Tomlin, he's taking notice. If you look at the tape, man, he's MVP caliber in terms of what he's doing for them. I started first with the two Baltimore games because of the intimacy of divisional play. Man, I don't know how many touchdowns he threw in those two football games. I know Chase himself had five. It's just kind of reflective of what he and they are capable of.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a borough, I still think on a third down, he and Mahomes are in a different class, and even from the guys I like. But it's kind of crazy that a losing team would be a field goal favored over a Pittsburgh team that's much more well-rounded, a Super Bowl winning coach. We don't know if we love Cincinnati's coach. We don't like their defense. We don't like their owner. They don't really have an elite front office. That's kind of the feeling around the league I was just talking to what Jim about is the other day the Bengals. And yet they're a favorite.

Doesn't it feel like Pittsburgh's aside? Well, this is the season for Cincinnati. Now, that's obviously baked in here. And Pittsburgh's got extra rest because they played. Didn't they play on Thursday? Yeah, they got extra rest. It's weird. If you want to get really exotic, you could do something about like Bengals win the AFC.

You could bet that because you're going to get a great price. but they got to win this game. If they lose, just tear it up. But the interesting one, Colin, is the Pittsburgh Steelers. Where do they go from here? Is the panic button pushed if they lose in Cincinnati? I don't know if we can call up the schedule for the Steelers. It is the toughest in the league in December and January.

Here it is. Yeah, it's brutal. So I know people will scoff at the Browns, but it's that division. It's going to be a dog fight. And then it's the Eagles who are arguably the second or third best team in the league. The Ravens, we know that's going to be a comeback, a revenge game for bowl. Baltimore. Kansas City, probably trying to lock up the number one seed, and then the Bengals trying to get in. There's a world where the Steelers, if they lose this, Colin, they lose

out. They don't win another game this season. Are you buying that? Is that in play? Could the Steelers miss the playoffs? No, no. Pittsburgh's going to beat Cincinnati. This weekend, huh? Yeah. Cincinnati's not a big home field. You want to go ahead on that one? That stadium will be 50% Steeler fans. That's not a big home field advantage. And by the way, Russell, Wilson's not incompetent. You think Bengals fans are selling their tickets to the Steelers fans? I don't know about that. I think they're no-showing.

I think Pittsburgh people are going to... They're bailing on the season. It's going to be cold weather. Why go watch it? You want to do a Christmas present on this? The winner has to get the other a Christmas present. Okay. I'll take Bengals.

I'll get you a razor. After yesterday. Final story is the Kansas City Chiefs. How about this? Isaiah Pacheco. There he is, ladies and gentlemen. He's back. The tough.

Hard-nosed running back has been out since week's two with a fractured fibula, and he's expected to play against the Raiders. Now, I have him in fantasy football. I love watching him go. He's kind of like a pint-sized Derek Henry. He loves contact. He's tough as hell. I think this is a huge get-back.

I know Kareem's been fine, but he's not explosive. No, this offense, now I got worthy over the top. Pacheco is back. Noah Gray's a second excellent tight end. Hopkins is new? Yeah, like, I'm just going to tell you. right now, it's not fully formed yet. This is going

to be a top five or six offense in about two weeks. It's not fully formed yet. They still can't, they still don't quite know what to do with Worthy. Noah Gray, though, has emerged. Pacheco is obviously a stud. Do you just with Schuster's back now? I think, I think

Kansas City is going to face Detroit in the Super Bowl. So when you look online, you see all these people talking trends, which aren't predictive, by the way. And everybody says, oh, my homes can't cover double-digit spreads. Just be careful here if you want the Raiders. I know it's a divisional matchup.

That 13's a big number, but at some point, the Chiefs are like the last couple games, the offense is starting to click. The defenders are terrible. Bo Nick shredded them last week. Pretty much do whatever he wanted. Mahomes, you know, I like Casey here. Didn't you like him last week when they were a big favor? I might have.

That was last week. All right, Jay Mack for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. We don't always get, we never get Jimmy Johnson in studio today. We got him. Joel Clatina, Wednesday we love. We get Greg CoSell today.

So if you bet football, you love fantasy football. You just want to get smarter at football. Greg CoSell is great 15 minutes where he breaks down the game. Totally objective. So he's coming up. Plus, J-Max got his picks. So there's nothing bad. This is just, this is a really good Wednesday show.

We'll put it on the podcast. We'll put some of the guests on there. So we got good stuff today, and I'm all fired up. I will say, I'm not doing Blazoned 5 this week. I don't do it on Thanksgiving. After last week, I stunk. So nobody deserves more of my picks, but you will have your picks today. And I kind of know, I kind of have a feeling.

There's a couple on the board I really like. And I'll say this. I like Pittsburgh, plus the points. I like that one. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions.

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know. Tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite, unhumored me with Robert Myel and Friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you

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Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 is about both of those things. As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority black city, in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people.

Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. Is everyone lying to me about who they are? I felt such desperation. I felt it was what I had to do.

Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you're watching the latest season of the Real Housewives of Atlanta, you already know, there's a lot to break down. Gorsha accusing Kelly of sleeping with a merry man. They holding Kay Michelle back from fighting Drew. Pinky has financial issues. On the podcast, Reality

With the King, I, Carlos King, recap the biggest moments from your favorite reality shows, including the Real House Wise franchise, the drama, the alliances, M&T, everybody's talking about. To hear this and more, listen to Reality with the King on the IHard

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