The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Coach K joins The Herd

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

Legendary college and Olympic men's basketball coach Mike Krzyzewski joins The Herd to break down the differences between FIBA play and how the game is played in the United States, an Olympic team's quest for gold vs. how playing time is distributed down the roster, the JJ Redick hire in Los Angeles, and much moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome in, Hour 2 on a Tuesday. Mike Shoshowski around the corner, live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. So, by the way, Belichick's records 29 and 38 post-rady. I couldn't read my own writing. If there's a top 100 list of players vote on, and I've always believed this, owners should own, GM should GM, coach you should coach, and players should play.

When Aaron Rogers dabbles in personnel, he's never right. I don't think in the NFL Belichick tried to be a GM didn't work. The great Mike Holmgren tried a GM in Seattle a little bit, didn't work. Pete Carroll tried the GM a little bit over John Snyder. Snyder almost left.

It didn't work. Let John do that. I think it's impossible in pro football. Andy Reed has always understood that. Matt LaFleur understands that. Like, he stays away. You guys go get the great. players. And I think the guys that succeed in this league overwhelmingly, the coaches let the GM's GM. And so, you know, Aaron's kind of dabbled in the, let me get this guy, this guy,

this guy, it hasn't worked. So this is interesting. The players in the top 100, its players voting on it are voting on the top 100 players. Right now, Brock Purdy is at number 28. That is ahead of Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Justin Herbert, Aaron Rogers, Trevor Lawrence, and Kirk Cousins. Proving players don't know what they're talking about in terms of personnel. A head of Matt Stafford. Okay. Sure. In what department?

Again, once again, I sound like I don't like a lot about Brock Purdy. Accurate, good guy, smart, excellent. intangibles. But holy moly. Oh, my. Okay. Well, we wish Brock Purdy the best of luck. So Mike Cheshefsky was at Duke for 42 years, five national championships, three-time Olympic gold medal winner as teams USA's head coach, the greatest college basketball coach along with John Wooden of all time. He's joining us live. So you know, Mike was interesting.

even though you often had some of the same stars, it does feel like every Olympic experience, even if you have LeBron on two teams, feels different to me. You have different chemistry, different expectations, different playing time. Take me back to your first Olympic experience and to your last and the different challenges you sometimes face, even though you have a wonderful roster.

Well, the main challenge you have to face is the fact that you're playing a game that's different. You know, it's still called basketball, but it's FIBA basketball, the Federation of International Association of Basketball, and a different ball, two more panels, administer just a little bit differently with referees. And so you are the team that's adjusting, the international teams, that's how they play. So there's a period of adjustment that needs to be made. And the fact that one of the main things is a lot of the teams that you play against,

they have the same core people over and over. Like the two top teams that we played against during my time were Spain and Argentina by far. And same guys. It was like a brotherhood for them. And so, no, it was. I mean, the Gassol's played forever, Genobley's goal on all these guys for Argentina. And so what Jerry Colangelo tried to do when he took over USA basketball in 2005

was to create some level of continuity. So I became the first national coach. That means you had a four-year run, just like Steve Kerr has a four-year run. And that created continuity. And then could you get some of the same players? So in 2008 with the Redeemed team, five of those players ended up being on the London team in 12. And five players from our World Championship team in Istanbul also came. So I had 10 players who understood FIBA, understood FIBA.

And that helps. And that's what's helping Steve Kerr right now. You have Kevin Durant that's going for his fourth gold medal. LeBron going for his third. You have guys, you know, Curry, a lot of people said he's going for his first goal, but he has two goals. He won the World Championship in 10 and in 14.

So he understands Fibb, and so does Anthony Davis. The veterans on that team and a couple of the guys who played for Coach Popovich for Pop in winning in Tokyo around the team. So there's some level of familiarity,

and that is really very, very important. So I think it's difficult. It's only 40 minutes long. Everybody's great. Steve Kerr the other day literally apologized for not getting Jason Tatum in, but sometimes it's matchups. Sometimes you need, I felt bad for him because I'm thinking to myself, well, right now Derek White and Drew Holiday work in this rotation is, did you find when you were coaching. You wouldn't do this at Duke, but you were looking down the bench thinking,

I got this great All-Star. I got to get him in the game. Did you coach sometimes like that? You know, I'll be honest with you. I did not. But when we met us a team and developed standards of how we were going to live together, we were bonded by the fact that we wanted to win the gold. Yeah. And really, the only question that will be asked of a player, say I played in the Olympics in 2024, they're going to ask, did you win? They're not going to ask how much you played, how much you scored.

Did you win? And so I asked each of the guys to give me their word, to pledge that they would do anything that was needed, less minutes, more minutes, not playing, playing. to win the gold medal and they all did. And we tried to come up with a rotation of probably nine guys and maybe 10 and who started and to give some level of continuity. And then a key thing in the real close games was to have a closing unit in the last six minutes or so that were accustomed to playing with one another that would be somewhat

different from the starters. Yeah. Yeah, and I tried to use that throughout, and I never really, I didn't worry about the playing time of players because they shouldn't be worried about it. Yeah. They should only be worried about one thing, and that's winning. I think this team has that mentality,

and I can tell you that the five teams I coached, all those guys were terrific in handling that. So international. You cannot worry about playing time. You got to be worried about defending the three and not committing too many team files that give them free throws. And if we do those two things, then we're going to win. International basketball has exploded. I can remember 25 years ago when people talked about international players, they were like, oh, they're soft.

Domestic players are tougher. Well, now we're adopting and adapting to their game. um i watch wemby sometimes block shots in the nbaa with his elbow do you remember i mean it's insane he doesn't look like any player i've seen even a chet homegrin who was terrific at gonzagan okay c doesn't really compare i do you remember the first time you heard about wemby i mean what have you what do you make when you watch him well when it was the first time you heard about wendy yeah a few years ago when i had not seen him yet and then and and seeing him for the first time and where he's like a maybe four or five inches taller than

go there. I said, oh my God. And then he's dribbling the ball and shooting jump shots and going behind his back. I said, all right, this is, there's nobody like this guy. Yeah. And, but, you know, Colin, one quarter of the NBA's players are international players. and that's only going to increase because the international players are taught differently. They're not in a scholastic and academic environment that regulates how much they can practice,

how much they can play. So in some respects, they have a greater continuity of being coached. And we need to change that in our country in men's college basketball and not. having 20 hours a week only of practice or four hours a week during the summer. It's outdated. It's ridiculous. And we need to have shot clocks in every state. We need to play the game the same way in our country. Yeah. It's played in so many different ways. Whereas in the other countries, if you're in France, Spain, Italy, whatever, from a youngster until you're an adult, you play the game the same way and you're accustomed to playing with the shock clock so a couple um non-olympic uh things to

discuss i like j j reddick um i think he's smart i think he's a what do i i love him he's curious he's feisty he's competitive all the things that make a great coach some have said he can be a little a little arrogant he can be but i some of the great players and coaches have that there's a line between that arrogance and confidence when you hear that when you hear the criticism that he's a little arrogant, you know, what do you make of that? Because I always thought he was super confident, but I kind of think that's his, that's his DNA. That's his edge. What do you make of those criticisms?

Well, yeah, I don't pay any attention to him because, you know, we're dominated by social media. So who is making the criticism, you know? Where, you know, opinions are good, but where is the opinion coming from? Right. you know and and uh what's the source for me j j j j j j's amazingly competitive and is uh prepared as well as any player that i coached at duke he's smart he's confident and he understands the game and having 15 years of being a pro he has empathy for uh the guy trying to make it when he's trying to make it he makes it and for the veteran who is

still trying to make it. He was never a superstar in the NBA, but he was certainly a superstar in the National Player of the Year when he played in college. So I think he has empathy for what a roster would look like. He certainly understands the pro game, and he desperately wants to be a coach.

And I think he surrounded himself up to now. I don't know his entire staff with some veteran coaches, which will, that will help him. But I love him. I think he's terrific. And I think he can relate to his players at the best level. Yeah.

You've had such a great opportunity and have a relationship with LeBron James. And I've said he reminds me a bit of Tom Brady, where he's such an adult. Tom and him have such deep respect for the game itself, for the academic scholastic side, for the training side. I want you to go back, because you've had a relationship with LeBron forever, and much like Wemby, Pete, we don't get to see practice stuff. You've got to see practice stuff with LeBron. Take me to a moment.

Maybe it was Olympics. Maybe it was high school. When you recruit all these guys, from Zion to LeBron to, Christian Leitner, who I thought still one of the greatest college basketball players I've ever seen. Do you remember the first glimpses of LeBron? And did you not only see athleticism, but just a different mindset? He was 20 going on 40. Did you notice it immediately?

I noticed him when I started coaching him, how smart he was. You know, you're a little bit shocked at the athleticism and just this amazing. athlete that's there and then you add intelligence then you add a command voice then you add leadership and then you add something that a lot of people don't have and that's the will to prepare to win yeah everyone wants to win not everyone will pay the price every day every year to be at their best before practice, I mean, he has the same guy helping him for two decades. Yeah.

You know, he stretches for over a half hour. And he preps his body and while he's prepping his body, he's prepping his mind. And he's just so damn prepared. He and Kobe were the two guys, I thought, were just above everyone. preparation physical mental you name it and when they were on the court at a practice or in a game they wanted to be the best yeah all the time yeah all the time and and they paid the price for it and yeah we for anyone who knocks LeBron in any way they're just crazy like you know we're not gonna see

anybody like him nope he's one of a kind yeah Yep. Just, what he's doing in the Olympics, his verve, his demeanor, his attitude. I mean, he helps his team by how he looks, not just how he plays. I want to play with a guy who looks like him because there's hardly anybody who looks like that. I mean, facially, not just body-wise, is the face of a champion. This guy has that face of a champion. Finally, I know we don't want to build up Cooper Flagg too much, but I did watch him, and he's a really interesting player.

So for somebody that had never seen him play, obviously, he was very good, very early, and he's going to be the number one, two, or three pick. And who knows NBA? But if I'd never seen him play, I want you, 42 to. years at Duke. I've never seen him play. And you tell me about what would I expect going to see Cooper? What does he do in your labyrinth of experience? What does

he do that is unique? Well, it's something that a lot of players are not doing right now and he loves to not only play, he loves to compete. I'm talking about love.

You know, like he doesn't care who's watching. he's playing. He loves the game. And that's not found as much. He plays the game because he loves it. And he's an outstanding athlete. He's positionless. And he competes like crazy. He's got a, I don't know if I haven't coached him, but watching him. and he seems to me has a temper or an anger, a competitive anger, that takes him to a whole not another level. Like he's totally immersed in playing, and then he's extremely talented.

Yeah. He's not just talented, he's extremely talented. But he has all those intangibles that I've just said. And so if you put that in an outstanding athlete, you're going to have a very special basketball player and this this kid hopefully stays healthy and continues to maintain that in this world of now social media and all you know I think people can get to a player can get too caught up and all that and in what other people think of them forget it forget it's what who what you think of you yeah yeah

what your coaches think of you. And just stay in that lane and keep that passion. And this kid's going to be very, very special. You know, finally, I was thinking about this. I've called her, Taylor Swift in tennis shoes is what I call Caitlin Clark. Is that I knew she was talented years ago. And then all of a sudden, Taylor Swift does the ears to her, and you can't get tickets. She sells out SoFi Stadium 7.

Seven nights in a row. Everybody in L.A. went to it. And I watched Caitlin Clark a couple years ago, and I'm like, oh, she's fun to watch. And it is a tsunami of basketball. Were even you taken back, first of all, she's very good. But were you taken back by what she's done to women's basketball? Because I, it's got a Taylor Swiftfield coach. It's like taking over the country.

Well, it does. and I think also it's the moment to take it over. You know, women's basketball is terrific. And it's continued to progress. And all of a sudden now, it seems this opening for her. And it's like it meshes. And, you know, one of the cool things about her is that she was at Iowa for a career.

So she became like a cult hero there. Yeah. So she was, it was like an off-Broadway thing, you know, where she was accustomed to the crowds and whatever. And she handles it so well. And she had like about a 10-game adjustment in the WNBA and now she's going crazy there also. You know what she is?

She's genuine. And I think her knowledge. her feel for the game, I think the best thing she does is pass. Yes, yes, great passer. She's an amazing passer. And she sees things. Everyone talks about her shooting and her scoring, and obviously she does that really well. But she makes teammates better and putting her on a WMBA team where you have adults.

you have older players and really talented players, you're going to see her talents even more, and I think you're continuing to see it. And she's going to be one of our great American players. I know some people are angry about her not being on the Olympic team, and the timing wasn't right yet, you know. But certainly she'll belong there. And it's kind of like in 2008, Kevin Durant was on our select team.

And he, he almost, we almost picked him for the redeemed team. And then, then he was on the World Championship in 2010. And what, since he averaged 33 points in the middle round. And then he took off. I think that trajectory will be there for, for Caitlin. I really admire how she's handled everything, and she's won over the people competing against her. They see that she's tough, she can handle it,

but I love her passing. I think passing's become a little bit of a lost art with all the ball handling drills and whatever, and she sees things that most players do not see. 42 years, five championships, three-time Olympic gold medal winning coach. The great Mike Shosheski, you look great, by the way. Obviously, you're doing something right. You're happy and joyful because you look fantastic.

You don't have to be on the recruiting trail 24-7. You probably sleep now occasionally, right? That helps. The recruiting trail is not the one I want to be on anymore. No, I'm really lucky. I consult for the NBA now. I speak a lot. I still work at Duke.

I'm in my conference, my conference from. And I got 10 grandkids that live within 10 minutes of me, so I'm busy all the time. Wow. That's a good life. Great seeing you, coach. Thank you so much. Yeah, good being on. All right.

Mike Chishefsky. That's the way to do it. Do a little consulting work. Stay at your job upstairs in a nice, comfy room, and a nice chair, have 10 grandkids that live around you. That's good living. Same wife. Mickey. That's good life. Yeah, you know, I'm surprised you didn't ask him about why they couldn't get out of the first weekend at Duke in the NCAA tournament with Jason Tatum. I still remember losing money in that game to South Carolina.

I didn't think that was a pressing issue. Not appropriate, okay, yeah. Yeah, I don't think that is. The big guy, I thought you wanted me to ask him about Brock Purdy's ranking. No, no, no, we'll get to that because there's a lot of conspiracy theories flying around. I know you love a good tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. Oh, Lord, is there? Well, I mean, whatever.

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This is the Herdline News. All right, so we'll get to the conspiracy theory later. We'll start with Aaron Rogers because he was very, very, upset Colin a practice yesterday. Oh boy. Look at him. You can see the video. He's heated. Look at that. He is not happy. The offense struggled in their first padded practice. Alan Lazard called it sloppy. Tight-head Tyler Conklin thought Roger's reaction was a great learning experience for the team. I think that's a beauty of playing with, you know, great like that, right? Like you have someone that's going to at all times hold everybody

accountable no matter who you are, what happens. And I think that's kind of something that's, Not every team has that. Not everybody. I think that's really a blessing at the end of the day. It has someone that cares that much and has a standard like that. That's going to, that becomes our standard as a team. But to have a Hall of Famer, I just want a Super Bowl, been there, done that. You know, I think that really is, I mean, it's necessary.

Fired up, interception. Somebody stepped on his foot. I kind of like my quarterbacks to get a little pissy once in a while. Yeah. I kind of like you. Three picks in practice this week. I thought you would lead the show with that. No, I don't, I actually have defended quarterbacks.

I don't like when Aaron's passive-aggressive. I like when Aaron gets after guys. I think quarterbacks occasionally have to bark. So you like confrontation? Well, yeah, I'm more confrontation-driven. Peyton Manning did it. Brady did it. Aaron Rod.

I have no problem with any quarterback taking a young player and saying, Jordan Love Now has got to own that locker room. The guy runs the wrong route and he throws a pick six. You go to that sideline and you bark. I got no problem with that. Rogers is built like that. I don't know if love is. We don't know enough about it.

We don't know. C.J. Stroud, whoever. I, quarterbacks need, it's okay. You know, there's a walk softly, carry a big stick, whatever it is, or lead by example. No, you have to lead with words. The quarterbacks have to leave, not with just body language. That's passive aggressive.

Lead with confrontation. As a first or second year starter, I think that's a tall order. I mean, these locker are full of big alphas. So what? You're the most important player. What, because you're the highest paid? No, you're not highest paid. You're the most important player by far. You're taking 62 snaps. How many is that rush edge taken?

Now, how many times he have the ball in his hand? It's an offensive league. I just don't think it's as easy as, hey, man, you're the QB, yell at anybody you want who screws up. I don't know that it necessarily. I wouldn't say yell. I would say raise your voice and teach. It's a loud stadium. Sometimes you have to raise your voice.

All right. Fair enough. Next up, hey, you want confrontation. Here we go. Matt Judon is at Patriots camp and was a full participant in the first four practices. But as you can see on the screen here, that's Judon and the Red. He did not join for the first padded practice yesterday. He's been vocal about his frustrations with the current contract and was seen having a very animated discussion with head coach Gerard Mayo.

Judon just basically gets up, gets in his face, and then walks away. I saw that. He later spoke with team executives. Welcome to head coaching in the NFL, Gerard Mayo. Yeah, it's going to be a long year. Well, he's one of their top three players. And you saw Christian Barmore, the defensive lineman. He's had blood clot issues, that's not great.

They don't know when he's coming back. I mean, that's two really important players on that defense. Well, I think they're going to have the number one pick. So I think it's pretty locked in. That's the number one. Tougher conference, tough division, worse roster. Carolina in their division is going to win some games. Giants in their divisional winning.

Well, that gets interesting. If they get the number one pick, having just taken. Drake May, what they take him? Like top six? I forgot where he was. I think what you do is it's a perfect place to trade down. So somebody's going to need a quarterback. If you get the number one pick trade down and think, if they think Drake May's the guy?

That roster, you trade down. You don't give up on him before he's played 10 snap. Can we just watch Carson Beck a little bit more? I'm all in. The guys I've talked to about the draft, Beck is going to be a superstar this year. Yeah, he's a number. I don't think you're going to watch him this season of Georgia and say, okay,

we can trade down. This dude looks really good. That roster needs so much help. I would have no problem drafting a quarterback in the first round back to back years if you've got a guy in camp and you're like to me, if you get Drake May in camp and you have all these practices and you're

like, this isn't going to work. He's not cognitive. He's ready. He's not refined. I have no problem. If you have the next year you think you have the number one guy drafting me, you can't worry about well, I want to protect my pick. If you get back and you have a year of practice

footage. Now, some guys like Jordan Love, Aaron Rogers, develop more slowly. So my guess they wouldn't do that. But I don't think I'd clobber a team if they're like, listen, this guy is generational. Drake May's not generational. I think the Cardinals went Rosen and then Kyler-Marie. They did have a coaching change, right? Kingsbury came in. I don't think Mayo's getting dusted in year one. That's interesting. I think it's Patriots. I think the Raiders are going to be in the mix for the number one pick. If this Devante Adams thing starts to go south and they ship him, Then it's probably Raiders.

I mean, not only are the Patriots not very good. Find the wins on that schedule. Early? Early, it's a disaster. But, I mean, they just, I mean, just the borough, Aaron Rogers, Brock, Tua, C.J. Stroud, Trevor Lawrence, Aaron. I mean, I guess at Tennessee week nine feels kind of winnable. They better win that Seattle at home.

You've got to win that Seattle game. Otherwise, you're staring at like one and nine. Yeah. Yeah, that's lean. And it doesn't get easier. Oh, my God. It's not only that it's lean, they're not going to be any fun to watch. Belichick's last four teams were no fun to watch.

Those two Bills games late and the Chargers game, all three of them probably going to be jockeying for postseason positioning. So it's not like you're going to be facing like a Bills team sitting, Josh Allen. That's not looking good for Mayo and company. Final story is CD Lamb holding out a training camp as he waits for the contract extension in a conversation with Albert Breer. Dallas owner Stephen Jones gave more insight into the negotiations. He said the Cowboys offered CD a contract last season, but he declined because he wanted to wait and see what happened with other top wide receivers like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. So it is actually a stroke of genius from Stephen Jones. Hey, hey, we tried to sign him last year.

He just said, no, I want to wait for Justin Jefferson to get paid and then I want to reset the market. also smart by CD Lamb kind of a you can make it at that what you will but it looks like Stephen Jones didn't totally botch this right that's smart to make a move early

well generally in all negotiations the employee is better served if he's talented to wait that's so you want to get closer to the market so that's just yeah I mean if you're an agent you generally generally don't want to sign early

but again if I'm if I'm you know Justin Hurray I don't need to be top of the market. I'll sign a year early and change my family's life. That's okay, too. But I think, you know, if you're a star in any business, it behooves you to keep waiting. So do you think if Lamb had signed, let's say, midseason,

he's the highest paid receiver in NFL history, which he would have been? Cowboys would have a much better deal. 100%. But he would now be pushed down to, I think, four, because Amara St. Brown passed him. Jefferson passed him. And then I think A.J. Brown re-upped his deal. Yeah.

So now C.D. would have been number one for like a few months and now he would be four, would he be upset? Like at some point you just got to be like, hey man, I'm happy. Let's rock and roll. You know? It just doesn't seem like things are happy. Most players, I believe, want to be drafted by a team

and if it's functional, stay with the team. Most guys want the Derek Jeter career, the Kobe career. Is that you stay. You may have up and downs. There were bad Laker teams with Kobe at the end. But I think most Most players I talk to, they want to stay. But now you got basically CD and DAC chasing, we want to be the highest paid at our position in the league.

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my instinct is we'll see my instinct is no but uh but uh but i want to leave it open that uh that third game is the one where we're decides so we i he definitely won't play the first two but um the discussion on the third one we just haven't quite had yet all right so i was thinking about this uh so wemby's uh team France went to overtime, when be dominated, and they won at the Olympics. So I was thinking about this, J-Mag, is that as the game's gotten more global, and that can be challenging for Major League Baseball, the sports more global. It's always been a challenge for hockey.

They don't have a farm system. You know, we don't really watch college hockey. The Northeast, it's popular, but very niche. We don't watch college baseball. The South, it's popular, but kind of niche. You know, most of us don't watch college baseball outside of the South. at college basketball we do watch but it's kind of a turnstile

one and done guys now are going G League overseas so you may get one year and we really watch college basketball the ratings indicate for about three weeks in March and so the NBA has been as popular as the face of the league when it had Magic and Bird popular Jordan popular

Kobe and Shaq less popular but popular LeBron in his prime kind of popular Steph Curry and the Warriors dynasty, pretty popular. Right now, they're going through a transition. So the NBA is going international, which again is a challenge, because we're not, you know, you and I aren't breaking down Lithuanian game film.

So college football has got a huge advantage. However popular your minor league system is indicates how popular your pro sport is. So hockey's the least popular, the least watched, it's the least popular of our big four. baseball next basketball then football so we watch college football and therefore we have a visceral connection with the players you've seen them three and four years you're rooting for a toa you're rooting for a whoever uh cj stroud if you're an ohio state fan or a j j mccarthy so in the nba it's really interesting because they're going through a kind of a funky transition i was thinking today if i ask i'll ask you who do you believe are the four by by by

next year, who will be the four faces of the league? Now, it helps if you want to embrace it. Like, some of these got, like Yokic, he's got no interest in embracing it. So he's not going to be the face of the league. He just doesn't care. Can you just, I know this is going to. So if I said to you, you are the NBA commissioner, and you need guys to either have the look, the game, the interest, the shoe, who would you promote if you were Adam Silver? Because the league's always been as popular as its biggest stars. So by this, you just mean, who am I giving the most national

TV games to? That's right. Who are you promoting? And it's not necessary, because Yokic is the best player, but he doesn't want to do it. He's international. Denver's not a big TV drama. That's right, right. Well, the Lakers, obviously are, Lakers. So who would you? So you, you're sitting down as a commissioner, I'm your assistant. And we're going, okay, we can make up

the TV schedule, we can promote people, we can call Nike, we can go. It's the Lakers. There's a long runy joke. Okay, so give me the four guys. Oh, four guys? Well, LeBron. You got to have LeBron. No, no. In order. You have to make decisions. Are you going to promote heavily a 40-year-old?

Yeah, I'm going to promote. There's a long-running joke in the NBA. Who would the commissioner want to see in the finals? And it's Lakers versus Lakers. Because they are the biggest draw not only in the U.S. but globally. So I put LeBron at four. I would promote the hell out of the Lakers. Yeah. You can't have Yokic there. I don't know if you

could put Wemba Niyama there. Where are you on? Lucas? Is he a massive draw like a face of, is he getting people to a TV on a Tuesday night on Amazon Prime or wherever the game is? Okay. I'll just tell it. I'll go Jason Tatum because he's on a legacy team and he's the best player.

I think, I'm sorry, I know we disagree. I would go to Wambayama just for the look and see, and I would go number one Anthony Edwards. Okay, so you'd go and... I'm sure I'm missing somebody to you guys are going to get me. You'd go who three, Luca, or Tatum? Tatum three. And who would you go for?

LeBron for, just because it's the Lakers. Lakers and Celtics, you have to have in there. Now, I think the one guy I'm missing now that I'm thinking wide is probably Jalen Brunson and the Knicks. You've got to make room for him. So that's your five. Big markets, big stars, and largely Americans. We don't disagree much. I would not have Tatum in there.

I would still think if you go to Laker games, LeBron is wildly popular. Tatum can disappear in big games. I would go, Aunt Wemby, Brunson, LeBron. Oh, geez, I forgot Steph Curry. Steph Curry. People are tuning in for Steph Curry games. I know people don't want to hear it. Oh, the Warriors stink.

So mine, my five would go in order. Ant, the most dynamic, good-looking, fun, get you to a TV. Young generation. Wemby, best player. He'll be the best player in the league. I think by the end of the year, he and Yokic will be the best players. I think Brunson and New York, unbelievably likable. I would put on the third most games.

And then I think you have to be honest about it. LeBron and Steph draw numbers. Lucas Grumpy. I don't think he's the television draw. I think LeBron. So I would pay homage. I think LeBron and Steph, I'm the commissioner. They still move a number.

Yeah. My new broadcast partners, they want LeBron and Steph. They're not clamoring for Luca. And for anybody who disagrees, just wait until they release the Christmas Day schedule, which is like the marquee day for the end. That's a great point. It's going to be Lakers. It's going to be Warriors.

They're going to have the prime time games. I guarantee you the Knicks are in it. The Knicks are in it probably like a midday game, you know, like when you. But you think, first of all, Brunson is way better than anybody wants to acknowledge. He is a top 12 player in the league. People root for him too. He's likable. Secondly, unbelievably likable.

New York City. Good team. I think Brunson's way higher than people think. It took the NBA a long time to acknowledge Steph Curry was as big. Like the market loves Steph before the. the league figured it out. It's almost like Caitlin Clark was much bigger before the WNBA figured it out. I think Brunson is way more popular than people think.

What about the Joel and Bede's Super Team? Are we missing on that? Let me ask you this. Here's a prime example. So I'm doing the Christmas schedule. Night game. I can choose between these two. Brunson or Ant?

New York or Minnesota. You probably try to get like an Aunt Durant matchup. Remember what happened in the playoffs? I think I choose Brunson. I think New York, they're going to do the mid-date. They usually have New York at like 12 o'clock, high noon, and then 9 o'clock out here. And they'll probably face the Sixers or the Celtics. I'm going to tell you, I think Brunson's more popular.

And a lot of these New York stars don't translate. Jeter did. A-Rod did. But a lot of New York, you know, nobody cared out West about here. Do you care out here about Aaron Judge? I think it's acknowledge as he's the first or second or third best player. But I think Brunson is likable. New York winning team, plays the right way, underdog.

I don't find Luca likable. All he does is complain to officials. And it doesn't play hard all the time. Again, I don't find, I think he's great, but I don't find, I don't find him likable. And I think that's a big, that's a big part of it. People love Steph. I think they're going to love Brunson. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite,

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