The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Colin Right / Colin Wrong

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

Where Colin was Right / Where Colin was Wrong, one all-time great that people have suddenly lost faith in, and more. Guest: Matt HasselbeckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's great to be back. Hey, by the way, you want to tell the audience, I was texting you while you're in Europe, lots of important stuff happening around here. There is. There is. Now, tomorrow, mandatory mini camps in the NFL. So we've got keep your eye on. Cleveland is very fascinating. That's all I'm going to say.

Everybody makes bets. You can sit on the fence on this. My bet is Chedore's going to start at some point in the NFL season. There are people all over the internet, former NFL scouts. He's going to be a bust. He can't play. There's got to be a middle ground, Colin. Like, yeah, he may start, but Kevin Cefattsky doesn't love him.

It's saying he's going to be a bust. Like, come on, we don't know. That's a bit much. All right, Matt Hasselbecks around the corner. first though on a Monday haven't been here for a while calling right Colin wrong where Colin was right well this Tyrese Halliburton's the most overrated player is nonsense first of all I think he has one of the highest IQs and EQs I have seen from a modern point guard 13 of 15 times this year under two minutes when he could tire take the lead he hit the shot that's insane

that is all time that's better than Steph Curry so I never bought in of this. I'm not surprised they stole a game in Oklahoma City. I don't think they're as good as OKC. I don't think they'll win the series. But this idea, this guy even sniffs overrated. I'll make the argument. He is the most underrated player the last two years in the NBA and tip of the cap to JMAQ who spotted it over two years ago. Where Colin was wrong. I thought Aaron Rogers was too smart to sign with the Steelers because I don't think it's a good fit. I think it's a defensive first organization with an offensive coordinator he's not familiar with. They lost their left tackle.

They've struggled in pass protect. They've got no Najee Harris. And it's a division with Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson four times a year minimum. So listen, I thought he had better offers. I thought he would land a better offer. And I thought this was a spot that won't end well, but I'm wrong. Where Colin was right? Ross Tucker, somebody whose opinion I trust, is.

reporting, the Vikings do have concerns with J.J. McCartney. Quote, no matter what they say about JJ, they wanted Sam Darnold back. And they weren't going to get Darnold, so they wanted Daniel Jones back. As much as their quote sold on J.J. McCarthy, they've got some doubts. So remember, he missed valuable time not only playing but practicing last year because of his surgeries. and I've said it before. He reminds me of an Alabama quarterback his last two years at Michigan.

He played with a great run game. He didn't have to throw much with poor protection. He had the best coach in every game he played. And he had the lead for 90% of it and an unbelievable ground game in defense. I just don't know if he's built to come from behind, throw 43 times in game,

which you have to invariably do, especially in the NFC north. Where Colin was wrong. I'm surprised the Knicks fired Tom Tibidon. Yeah, he's not the most creative guy offensively, but that's why you build a staff. He built

the culture. They defend. They're tough. They're smart. They're physical. The issues the Knicks had, to me, are personnel issues. Brunson's not a great defender so they can struggle having he and cat on the floor at the same time.

That's not really a Tim's issue. I think the NBA is about steps and the process, and they need to make another tweak. I'd move off KD and bring in, I'd move into KD and off Kat, but I don't think firing him was the answer. Where Colin was right? As much as I love the NBA, I said this finals would be a ratings whiff, and it has been, a clunker.

Listen, it's a series for diehards only. The market size isn't great. Halliburton is not really a known entity in America, even though he's a fascinating player. OKC style, aesthetically is not appealing. And SGA, again, he's great, he's productive, he's efficient, he's not necessarily dynamic or fascinating. So the ratings are bad for this final,

even though it's a diehard final, you can't be a basketball casual and be into this, but I do think Indiana is going to win more games in this series than it goes at least six. Where Colin was wrong. I thought Aunt Edwards in Minnesota was about ready to grab the mantle as face of the league. He really struggled.

Two things are true. You can really get him off his game if you force him, trap him, double him, and force him to make quick basketball decisions. He is still fundamentally too young. He's not a refined player. He had way too many turnovers, almost as many turnovers as assists against OKC. He shot 28% from three, and they just forced a really young, still developing star, to make fast, quick decisions in the half-course.

and he's not quite there yet, so I'm wrong. Where Colin was right? I've been saying the NIL is going to save college basketball, and Rial, Madrid, and Barcelona reportedly are considering shutting down their youth academies in Europe. And that's where most of the good players are in Europe that are 17, 18, 19 years old. Why? Because American college basketball programs, NIL money, is greater than Europe can afford. And so you're seeing Auburn brought back their Star Guard.

Why? They paid him more than he can make in the NBA. Cooper Flagmate, 8 million a year at Duke. And now Illinois is going to have five European starters. American basketball programs may shut down some of the great academies in Europe because they're buying the best European players. Not to mention, like the Auburn Guard, many of the good college players are staying in college for another year.

So college football didn't need saving college basketball did. And I predicted it, the NIL is going to deliver. Where Colin was wrong. I thought the Dodgers roster was all-time stuff. But in their last 22 games, they're under 500. Their pitching staff injuries, they're decimated. For the third to four straight year, do they have to clean house on the pitching coaching staff? Like, what is happening with the staff?

They're only one game ahead of the Padres and the Giants. Over that 22-game skid, fifth worst team ERA, glass, no and snail among 14 Dodger pitchers still on the aisle. Where Colin was right? Finally, oh, for years I have told, been lectured by American soccer fans. The United States men's national team will flourish. They only get an elite country. Coach. Well, they hired Mauricio Fult, Jadino. He is brilliant. And they've lost three straight.

And the gold cups around the corner. Now, Turkey's pretty good. It's okay to lose the turkey, two to one. But I keep hearing my entire life from every young American soccer fan, it's the coach. That's the problem. And I keep saying, maybe we've overvalued our players, their grit, their focus, their toughness, our academy system. Maybe it's that and not always the coach. So they bring it a brilliant coach who was lauded for his success in Europe. We've lost three straight. And kind of, you know, kind of limping into the gold cup, are we not? Colin right, calling wrong on Monday.

All right, Matt Hasselbeck. I don't know if Matt played soccer. Were you a soccer guy, Matt Hassel? Were you a soccer guy? Everyone in America starts in soccer. What do you mean, everybody? You find me someone who did not start in soccer. I think that's just what everybody does.

Guys, girls, everybody. First sport. All right. Well, Aaron Rogers, you called it. You never had any doubts. You didn't want to hear. I think I called it on June 9th, actually. Did I say June 9th?

You did. By the way, I don't. So you were right. I don't love it as a fit. I thought Minnesota would be better. What do you make of the fit? For who? I mean, yeah, for him.

Like, he probably likes Minnesota. They've had an incredible offseason. They did a great job in Free Agency. They were a 14-win season, 14-win team last year. But Minnesota's taking the longer view of this, I think. You know, I think their original plan was Sam Darnold. They kicked the tires on Aaron Rogers.

They considered Daniel Jones. And they said, you know what? We've got a maybe like at least a three-year window here. We've got a bunch of guys we've added to our team who are in like their 30s, 31, 32. Like that range 29. Like let's take an approach at this. We believe in our coach. You saw what he did with Sam Darnold, who was a backup the previous year.

We really believe in J.J. McCarthy. And I think that they basically said no to some good. quarterbacks to say yes to this guy because of what they've seen in the building. He had a great red shirt season, as Kevin O'Connell said. Yeah. The thing with Aaron, and I had talked to some GMs about this, is that there's a story now that he was willing to give the Rams a massive discount and they passed, that Adam Schaefter said Aaron was the third choice for the Steelers.

I know Aaron and Adam aren't close, but be that as it may I trust Adam Schaefter. you have stories about Minnesota said, we're going to go with J.J. McCarthy. Ross Tucker, somebody who's got strong opinions and well-connected. They've got questions about JJ. And I talked to a couple of general managers over the last year about Aaron, and they said, you know, quirky is for kickers. We don't love our quarterbacks to be quirky or our coaches.

Jerry Glanville was quirky as a coach. And I feel like Aaron's aging like a quirky quarterback would where the teams that he really was interested in, according to reporters I trust, weren't that interested in him? Do you think that's just age or some of his quirkiness? Yeah, listen, to answer your first question, it is a good fit. I do believe Aaron Rogers and Steelers is a really good fit.

And I told you before, the veteran quarterback market is like musical chairs. There's not a lot of chairs. The music stops. You know, all you need is one chair. but there were maybe two chairs. And then at the end, there was probably one chair. This is the only team that he could go to.

Mike Tomlin is well respected by veteran NFL quarterbacks, who he was as a defensive coach, who he is as a leader. The other part of this, I think, is Arthur Smith. I think Arthur Smith is a little bit misunderstood as a coach. I played on teams with Arthur Smith as a coach. He is beloved. He is well respected. He was on the defensive side of the ball as a coach.

When I started in Tennessee, he was there. Then he was on the offensive side. You got to kind of connect the dots on resume as well. Arthur Smith was on staff and replaced Matt LaFleur in Tennessee when he got his first start as an offensive coordinator, first opportunity. So like the thing for a veteran quarterback, you don't want to go in and like learn some foreign language. He's not going to have to do that with Arthur Smith.

Arthur Smith, although people think of him as like run the damn ball all the time, I'm not adaptable. I believe he's very adaptable. At the same time, I think Aaron Rogers needs to be adaptable to be a run first quarterback. Like that was the plan in New York with the Jets. It never really happened. So I think that this is a good fit. Aaron Rogers has the weapons, the quirkiness, as you say.

It's okay in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is the kind of organization that can handle it. I think they're going to thrive from it. I think this is a good fit for a lot of reasons. And kind of look out, I think. out for this team look out for this offense okay so uh when i was over bicycling in copenhagen uh you know you live in the life are you wearing a helmet i just need to know no i was not by the way may have had a hyniquin in my hand um i i was fascinated by schoer

sanders but i was really fascinated with was the uh dexterity of the reporting there was he looks great dylan gabriel is lost uh shader and there was just uh you can tell people are taking sides and people you know listen boxing matches have three different judges three different people can see three different fights so but that's that's that's that's o'tas now veterans show up it's mandatory mini camp that's a whole different ballgame and veterans are intimidating veterans are demanding veterans are a better comp as though what you're playing against you give me a thought on what what will i need to see at a shadur sanders because i'm on the camp that he was underdrafted and that he can play. I could be completely wrong. What will you look for from the reporting,

from the video? What matters at that mini camp with veterans now sitting next in the locker room? Well, it matters more. I mean, earning the respect to the vets in the room is important. But for me, to answer your question, what matters more is how a quarterback plays when he is live. You know, so usually quarterbacks, you know, they wear a different color jersey, like a red jersey or something like that. You sit in the pocket. You're cool. You're comfortable. You're calm.

How do you play when that jersey is off? And you're where you're basically live for the defense to take a shot. That to me is a better sense of like when you grade somebody. It's not like what I'm doing in quarterback individual, hopping around bags, throw into receivers or running backs or tight ends on air with no defense, no consequences. You know, to me, I don't know when you get that now because we've kind of lowered the number of preseason games that we play.

There aren't as many reps to go around with all the quarterbacks in the room. So I think you're going to maybe, I don't know when you're going to get it. You know, like some people are trying to manufacture that with joint practices and that kind of thing. But a lot of this is going to be conjecture and kind of what you think a guy is going to be like when the lights turn on. That's when you go back to the college tape for toughness, grit, some of that stuff, certainly stuff that he showed when he was at Colorado. So it doesn't bother me that Lamar Jackson,

missed OTA is because Lamar and John Harbaugh are linked. They know each other. He knows the personnel. He knows Dave Flowers, Derek Henry. And I think he's probably got a little chip on his shoulder about his current pay structure. I also think he wins 76% of his starts. I've never questioned his work ethic.

I think Lamar's completely committed. But there are those that will push back and go, well, you were tough on Aaron Rogers and like, well, the Jets were different. It was a new team. His best player, Garrett Wilson, was a kid. Like, I kind of feel like with Lamar and Baltimore, it doesn't bother me should it well it bothers me that he's leaving seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars in a

roster bonus on the table just like ah that hurts i heard for you man i don't i don't know like figure it out go go lift some weights in baltimore could it be that bad i mean shoot what are they doing that you don't want to be there is miami that fun i don't know but no listen um much like aaron rogers didn't think he need to be there till till june ninths um i kind of grew up in that same thing. It was great for me as the backup quarterback of the Green Bay Packers to develop the younger roster that Brett Favre never showed up in the offseason. It actually, I believe, kind of strengthen the team, strengthen the backup roles. You've seen backup quarterbacks like Tyler Huntley, like actually coming and play pretty well when called upon at times for

Baltimore. So I, you know, for me, it's a little bit of this like, if I'm Jim Harbaugh and the Ravens, I'm like, you know what, kind of like Brett Farb back in the day with Mike Holmgren. Lamar, you're not here. you're not going to get hurt. You're going to show up ready to go. You're going to be the MVP candidate that you are every year. I'm not necessarily worried about it. Hey, quarterback room, let's see if you can develop and be a leader. Would I like him there?

Sure, I'd like him there. But ultimately, I think you can look at a glass half full on something like this. And Lamar is Lamar. He's kind of one of one. A lot of people say like, oh, this guy's like Lamar. There's nobody else like Lamar. He's special. You know, I think it's interesting.

The one player drafted, and it wasn't a particularly strong draft in any position. Cam Ward fascinates me. I like his journey. He was a no-star quarterback. I like that he transferred. Every time I've seen him at the podium, totally focused. All ball, all the time. Again, it's OTAs.

Every report is, God, and by the way, he was accurate in college. He could do a little hero ball. but tell me take me through so you come in in you're 22 23 years old and Tennessee's not been great at quarterback and here come all the veterans into camp tomorrow and um was it harder for you when you were 28 32 33 34 and here comes the kid to take over the culture is that a weird vibe as cam war because they need him to be a 12 year veteran they need him to run the show and I think he's capable of it. Is that always been, maybe in Green Bay,

when the youngest guy in the locker room is asked to be the leader, is that a weird feeling or to players, the veteran players look at it and go as quarterback, the kid's smart, he's talented, I'm watching him. Let's go all in. Yeah, what veteran players respect is excellence. I remember Bill Cowher speaking at my rookie symposium, and he nailed it.

And it was really about like how much can we count on you to do your job? How hard are you going to work? And listen, Colin, at the end, end of my career. I was 40 years old. I was backing up a young quarterback, the first overall picked also named Andrew Luck. He was the hardest worker in the building. He was the first guy there. He was the last guy to leave. And like, those aren't just cliche things that was like actually legitimately true to the point that our quarterback coach was like, hey, once you sleep in a little bit tomorrow, hey, why don't you get out of here and go home? Let's set a time. We're going to let that

loss from yesterday or that win from yesterday. We're going to let that go and move on. Those are the reports that matter just as much to me about about cam he's he's he's he's been a diligent diligent worker he's setting the tone by when he gets to work how he works when he's there he's not about the flash and all the other stuff he's about the business of football about the business of being the quarterback and the leader that's the stuff that i don't care if you're young old everybody respects in the locker room and it's early but he's off to a great start it's uh he's filling i think he's filling a void in some ways. You know, that city and that town is a distracting town.

They call it Nashville for a reason. It's a lot of fun. So if you get somebody that comes in there and it's all about football, that's very, very important, in my opinion. Yeah, my daughter just moved there. And every time I say, how are you doing? I get a picture of a music festival she's at. So I'm not sure she's working anymore.

And a bachelorette party or 30 on the streets, you know? No, it's a great city. As always, buddy, great seeing you, Matt Hasselbeck. Thanks, man. See ya. Yeah. Now, Nashville is one of the, if you are, I told my daughter this, if you're 23 years old and out of college,

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Kevin Durant rumor mill. It is going overtime right now. The latest report, according to an Arizona radio host, who people say is plugged in, claims that Durant is telling people, hey man, I could be headed to San Antonio. Now, I have looked at the Spurs' salary situation, and it's tough finding the numbers to match Kevin Durant.

But, Colin, Devin Vassel, Harrison Barnes, you're definitely not giving up the number, the number two. You're not giving up Wembe or Castle. You're not giving up to. But, Bessel, 6, 6, 3&D guy, they need to get younger with Beal and KD. They want to get younger. If you give Bessel, Harrison Barnes, two picks. You know, Vassel, Vessel, whatever you say is, you know what he is? He's poor man's Devin Booker.

So you're duplicating efforts and you still have Bradley Biel. None of this makes sense, Colin. And this is the Kevin Durant thing, it deserves a longer discussion. I don't know what he's worth going to be 37 years old, going to want to get paid again. Are you giving up anything for this guy? I'm not giving up a top 10 pair for Kevin Durant. No way. I am.

Yeah, I think Kevin Durant's going to age well because his game, well, his game has never been hyperathlet. He's not worn down because he's ball-centric. He's like Clay Thompson, but better and taller. Get me the ball late in the clock, and I can dial up a three. Like, this is a guy, I think his game ages incredibly well. Like, take LeBron out, he ages better than everybody. But you look at players and you go, like a player like Westbrook, who's hyper-athletic, as his athletic ability dims, the game doesn't feel the same.

But I think Durant has three more. really good 25 points a game, 24 points a game. He's a catch and shoot guy at the end of a clock. He can still beat guys off the dribble. His length, he's not getting shorter. He's a tough matchup. I like him. My problem with KD. He's been on two super teams recently, Brooklyn with Hardin and Kyrie and now in Phoenix with Devin Booker and Bradley Biel. They got swept in the playoffs two of his last three trips. How good are we with Kevin Durant as our alpha? He's a piece. He's a piece. He's not the foundation. He is a good, on any night or any possession, he can be your best player.

But I'm not building around him. So, you know, they're getting him. Why would you give up future resources? Wembe, Deerrin Fox, Castle, and KD. Are they top five in the West? Yes. Absolutely. Dorent missed the playoffs, Colin in Phoenix.

Missed the playoffs. He didn't have Wembe, Stefan Castle. Castle's going to be an all-star. He had David Bucer. He had it. He had it all in Diego. Devin Booker's a score. I don't think, Devon Booker has proven pre-Cris-Paul and after Chris Paul. Devin get your points.

He doesn't get your wins. That's not who he is. Oh, wow. You're high on KD. This is going to be fun. What are we doing next? Oh, NFL. So with the Aaron Rogers signing, we have a lot more juice with that primetime matchup in week eight.

We get Jordan Love and the Packers against the Steelers. Love spoke to what it will be like facing his former teammate in their Sunday night showdown. I was excited for A-Rod. I don't think I was too surprised. I feel like there was a lot of rumors going on throughout the whole offseason by him going to the Steelers. So I was excited for him that he was obviously coming back and going to be playing. There's also rumors that he might be done. So just knowing he's going to keep playing, you know, that's pretty awesome.

I'm excited for it. I can't wait to be on a different size meeting up. And I know we'll talk pregame, things like that. And hopefully we can exchange yours after. So as I was cycling around Dusseldorf, I ran into a Packer fan. And he brought up, he asked me, he said, how do you think, what do you think of Jordan Love? And I said, you know the problem with Jordan Love? I was a fan of him.

But when you get a great athlete, they become truth serum. Like when you watch Andrew Luck walk into the league and when 11,000, you watch. in games with a horrible roster, you're like, oh, that's what great is. The emergence of Jaden Daniels with a weaker than Green Bay roster, and he's leading them in the conference championship, and he's unbelievable in the fourth down, and he's unbelievable, makes me look at Jordan Love and go, dude, you were under on the floor for three years. Last year's your second year starting, and I'm not sure what Jordan Love is, that Jaden, Daniel, is this barometer of truth where we, you and I both, I'm higher on Jordan Love than you are.

But my take is, I watch Jayden Daniels come out of college football. And by week five, he was as accurate as any quarterback, two-minute drill, including Mahomes. And I, it's really, so I told the background, I don't know, but I know the guy in Washington did right out of college, who did not get three years with Matt Lafleur? Like, I don't know what Jordan Love is. I don't. That's a good point. Although, in my head, I'm playing back.

You guys don't realize, Colin, he actually said all this to a random cyclist in Dusseldorf. You're always on. And that's a pretty good take because I'm kind of with you. I don't know what to do with Jordan Love. Did he underperform? Is that who he really is? I'm not a huge Brock Purdy fan, but he walked in the league after a lot of college starts and Brock Pretty was instantly capable of running Kyle Shanahan's offense.

Now, again, I don't think he's what you do, but he didn't need to sit for three years. We got to remember this. Jordan Love got three years of elite coaching from Matt LaFleur. And I'm still going, I'm not sure what he is. Like, that's my Justin Fields concern. Like, dude, I've seen you now with two teams. I still don't know what you are. You're probably not great. So I don't, the poor guy in Dusseldorf just wanted a five-minute, five-second conversation. And I broke down the NFC North. But the point was, if I'm in Dusseldorf, you can ask me about Jordan Love and I don't have an answer what he is. Listen, if we're hurting for NFL topics, Colin, I mean, I would like you to rank the quarterbacks in the NFC.

Because the way you broke down Jordan Love, you have to have Brock Purdy ahead of him, right? You have to. Well, I know. Here's what. I know exactly what Pretty is, and I actually know what he's not. My concern with Jordan Love is, I know. what he is at his best. But last year at the end, I saw

some of his worst. And so now I go into the season, if there was a quarterback that was a question mark in the league, it'd be J.J. McCarthy, who I haven't seen, and Jordan love who I have. And I'm not sure what either is. Is it a tell that the Packers took a wide receiver in the first

round? Does that say anything about love? Or is that about the wide receiver room? No, no. I think teams draft, this is what Ben Johnson and the Bears did in Ryan Poles. The The Bears told you, listen, we don't know if Caleb's the guy, but we're going to get him an offensive coach. We're going to pay for Drew Dolman and Joe Tunney, and we're going to go get Loveland, the tight end from Michigan with Cole Commet. We're going to find out by Thanksgiving if Caleb Williams can play.

We're going to find out. I love that. That's the way to do it. And so what I think the Packers are saying is, okay, Christian Watson can't stay healthy. Romeo Dobis may be a bit inconsistent and immature. I love that. By the way, that kid from Texas, Green Bay got can play. So I do think teams tell you.

as you said tell. They tell you what concerns them in the draft. Not only because of talent, but urgency. And I think the Bears and the Packers told you, we've got to find out if our guy can play. Next up is Brian Schottenheimer, Colin, in Dallas. Yes, this video is real. He's trying to change the culture.

He took the team paintballing early in the soft season and the latest team building activity involved taking the quarterbacks to a Greek dance class. I've never done one of those, so I don't really know what's going on here. Yeah. What are they doing plates? Is that a thing? Sorry, guys.

I didn't even see my big, fat Greek wedding. Oh, it's great. Fremendous movie. Brian Schottenheimer, bro. It's not good. Maybe we need some team-building activities like this, Colin. I'm taking the guys out tomorrow for dinner. Oh, are you?

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And I already know where we're going. Going to a pretty fancy place. You go ahead. You go over to Slurpees down at the beach. I'm taking these guys to a big time steakhouse. A deal.

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So there's a huge disparity, a huge gap, which isn't necessarily great for the sport. But the Yankees, Dodgers are good. It's Braves are good. Cubs are good. You know, it's not bad for baseball. Because outside of the NFL, everybody needs market, cities, stars, and certain teams to win. but I was thinking about this, as I was reading a story this morning about the Dodgers, if I owned a Major League Baseball team, I would spend my money on position players. Even if I was not a playoff team, I'm losing 6 to 5, I'm losing 7 to 6. It's fun to watch. The Dodgers have been spending so much money on pitching.

Last year in the World Series in game, was it 5? Game 4. They had to go to a bullpen game. So I don't know what it is. It's something systemic in the organization. they can't keep pitchers healthy. And it would drive me nuts if I was an owner. I mean, if your pitchers are healthy,

they still only pitch every four or fifth day, unless you may have a closer that pitches twice a week or a set up guy that pitches an inning twice a week. Your starters are pitching once every five days. That's if they're healthy. I mean, the Dodgers are spending $100 million, and the guys never play. That would drive me crazy.

Now, again, they're paying Ohio. They're in a different ballgame. They pay Otani, Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, Max Muncie. They got stars everywhere. But I do think about that sometimes is if I was somebody running a major league baseball team, at least if I'm viable with position players, I'm paying the fans back.

You're going to a game. You're getting four at bats. The Dodgers, it's like half their payroll. It's just not available. And it's been, this has been a. like this for four years. They should have more than one COVID World Series title and thanks to an Aaron Judge Air, a second world series title. It feels like they've actually underachieve for the payroll is what it feels like. And a lot of it is nobody's ever healthy. Their arms are never

healthy. So I saw this story. This is fascinating. So Bill Belichick is dating Jordan Hudson. By the way, the athletic has a fascinating piece on Jordan Hudson. Everybody complains they don't care, but I monitor downloads and interest and ratings on this show is the Belichick stuff is interesting. So according to the athletics, Matt Baker, the Belichick, North Carolina over bets. So the over-under-on wins is seven and a half. I would take the over because the ACC is just awful. I mean, cross your fingers that Clemson's good, but Clemson doesn't want to do the NIL stuff,

which gives North Carolina an opportunity to go heavy NIL and catch up in short time. But if Clemson's no good next year, the conference is awful. There's not a second dependably good program. I mean, SEC and Big Ten have four or five teams that you know are going to be top-end teams. So listen to this. Before the Jordan Hudson Bill Belichick CBS interview, remember that was the interview where she interrupted the CBS reporter and said, don't ask about us.

Before that interview, 79% of bets on Carolina were over seven and a half wins. Since that interview, 89% of bets are under seven and a half wins. So what it tells you is, guys and men overwhelmingly

do the sports betting in America said, oh, she's controlling Belichick, he's now a puppet, she's running the show. Remember, North Carolina told you in a press release after that interview, Jordan Hudson has nothing to do with Carolina football. She's his social stockbroker,

his social muse. And every guy that I know personally that is successful, there's a strong woman in his life. She's making the decision. She's running the house. Half the time she's got huge say in the business. So I think

the age thing drives people crazy. But I think And Belichick, there's a brilliance to it. Belichick is saying, listen, I don't care about Snapgram and Insta chat. I don't care about this crap. It's not my thing. She's great at it. And he also sees that she's hyper-aggressive.

I mean, she is, she's got some testosterone here. She goes after people. And she doesn't have any problem leading, pushing back to the media. She has a distrust of the media like Bill does. That's probably very attractive to him. As a business guy, Bill's looking at it. thinking she's a go-getter. She's like, she's got real estate.

She's got the social stuff. She was a pageant star in Maine. It's probably very attractive. Like at this point in his life, Bill wants to do football. He didn't want to deal with the social media stuff. But Belichick's saying, listen, I don't want to deal with the social media stuff. But as a college coach, I need the social media stuff. So who am I going to trust?

Her. So, but it's interesting to bet guys who do the overwhelming amount of betting, that CBS interview came out, and they saw her is too strong, too forceful, and everybody now bets the under. Give me the schedule again. I'm betting the over. Now, I do think, whether it's Brian Kelly at LSU or Lincoln Riley at USC or Mario Cristobal or Dion Sanders, NIL can buy you talent. It cannot buy you chemistry.

It cannot buy you chemistry. And I think, now, Clemson's gone too far. way, why they won't do it at all, I think you do need to bring six or seven guys in, that third corner, that second, you know, that right tackle. I think the NIL, I don't think you can foundationally build around it, but I do think it adds value because more players are transferring out of your program, you've got to replace them. I mean, that's just a merry-go-round of college sports, the NIL. But you look at this schedule, you're going to tell me Belichick can't beat Charlotte, Richmond, Cal, Wake Forest.

Boy, there's a lot of academic powers here. He's going to lose to Clemson, and maybe they'd lose at Syracuse. That's about it. When I look at that, first of all, the ACC is an excellent academic institution. This would win, you know, greatest academic football schedule. But I don't, outside of Clemson and Syracuse, you tell me what the L. are, J-Mack. I don't see it. This is a week schedule. That's the problem.

If they're not going to clear their win total, you've got to find four losses at least. Now, interesting scheduling note, the Clemson game is bookended by, as of now, by weeks. So it's basically buy into Clemson by after-ceton. Their hard-of-game.

The Cal, I thought, would be difficult, but I talked to people, they lost some of their best players. They lost their backfield. Cal lost their quarterback in their entire backfield. So they'll opposite of Penn State that's got NFL guys behind center. They lost all their guys. One thing that's annoying about college football, so the NFL, you can find a line on every game all season. Week 12, give me the lines. You got them. You can't do that in college football.

They don't have all the lines. So even if UNC loses to TCU in the opener, they're still in great shape because they're going to be favored. My guess is in a lot of these games, unless they look awful and they lose 49 to 7 or something. So they have 12 games scheduled. You have to find four losses. So let's say Clemson's a loss. Let's even say UCF is a loss. Okay, Clemson, U.S. So they're three and two. Cal's got no firepower. They lose to Syracuse. So I can say UCF, Clemson, and Syracuse. But boy, there's a, they're just going to have better players. And again, my concern is Belichick's two sons are on the staff, Lombardi's son. They may work. I'm not saying sons can't be good coaches.

That's not what I'm saying. But it does feel, it's a little bit of a family reunion. on the staff, which it's not how Saban built his dynasty. Ryan Day, by the way, his son is getting scholarship offers. I read it this morning, Kent State, Marshall, Akron, Cincinnati. You know where he's not being offered? Ohio State. So that I worry about, but I can't find four losses on that. And I bought my Lindy's College Football Magazine and read it for three hours yesterday.

There are not a lot of good teams on that list. You're hardcore. I'll also ask, Colin, like, when you hear all these betters are going against Belichick after the Jordan Hudson stories come on? Don't you think that's dumb money? I mean, not to be disrespectful to all these guys, but it's like, what are we doing? Hey guys, it's us.

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