The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Colin Right / Colin Wrong, Matt Hassellbeck

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

Colin tells you where he was right & where he was wrong, who should fill the head coach vacancies in the NFL, and more.  Guest: Matt HassellbeckSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Going to be a tasty one live in Los Angeles. It's the herd wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Matt Hasselbeck. He does it about once every five weeks or so sits down with us for a good 20, 25 minutes. I can't wait for that. He's got so many thoughts on this yesterday. And there was only a handful of NFL games that truly matters.

There were a lot of backups, which is another reason I don't like the NFL expanding to 18 games. Because we already got to the 17th game and it was kind of like he had about two games. you had to watch, one of them last night. J-Mack, Albert Breer, last hour as well. We're going to go, Jay-Mack and I are going to go through some of the coaching openings. We're also going to go through the games we like. You like, you like the Rams hosting the Vikings. I feel very strongly about the Vikings matchup on their perimeter against the Rams.

Is there a game off the top that you really like? I irrationally like many games this weekend, including the college football. By the way, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. and Monday all with playoff, college football or NFL games. How good is that, Colin? I guess my favorite bet of the week so far is Rams' money line. I think they went out right. I can't believe the Vikings are favored in this spot.

Did you see Donald when he has to hold the ball? And I know Hasselbeck will talk about it. But like when Donald has to hold the ball and think and come off his reads, he's not great. He was 18 of 41 last night. Yeah. It was not good. And that was against a shoddy lion's defense.

I think the Rams defense is going to be better. They slowed Donald in the initial meeting. Remember that one out here at SoFi? Yeah. I like Rams. All right, let's do it. Every Monday at this time, Colin Wright, Colin wrong. Plenty of both.

Here we go. Where Colin was right. To double right, Bo Nix and the Broncos. I said the Broncos would double the win total, Vegas thought, and I thought Bo Nix would be a home run. He finished the season, six in the NFL and touchdown passes, and it's the most among rookies. Second most touchdown passes by a rookie ever.

18 for 18 to start the game against Kansas City. His maturity, his athletic ability, his experience. I didn't get him kind of being ignored and considered a second class, second tier quarterback in the draft. I didn't get it at all. I watched him at Auburn. I watched him at Oregon. He went through multitude of coordinators and was good with all of them.

Bo Nix is right. Where Colin was wrong. You know, Nick Seriani drives me nuts, but in his three years as a coach, they've won 14, 11, and 14. you know, these skirmishes on the sidelines with fans, battling his own staff, you know, it feels like he has to be a chaperoned on a weekly basis, but there is something about his message and his personality that resonates in the NFL that I clearly am missing on.

I thought his opening press conference was brutal. I'm still surprised they're this good. I think it's more of a GM than a coach story, but I'm wrong on it because the dude keeps winning. Where Colin was right? I said last January, when Gerard Mayo got the Patriots job, it feels like adding a new chapter to the same old book. You know, young quarterback, defensive coach. I just never felt this was the right hire.

I thought they may retain him because they were so embarrassed by it. But I read a lot of Boston writers and listen to Boston Radio. And, you know, situationally, circumstantially, he was over his head. You know, Bill Jr. was his nickname. You know, his only real influence was Belichick, and I think once Bill left, you were probably better served to go on the offensive route. But I also think Mike Vrable would be a good fit, but I never loved this hire. Where Colin was wrong. Well, it's the Atlanta Falcons.

I've never been right. I had him winning the division. I thought Kirk Cousins was a good signing. He ended up tied for the NFL lead in picks, and he only played 14 games. I like Rahim Morris over Belichick. They started six and three. They beat the Buccaneers twice. and then just regressed quickly and badly.

This is an organization that does a lot right, but it does feel like, and certain organizations are like this, that they kind of shrink in big spots, and that's always sort of been the reason why I've lost my 401K several times betting the Atlanta Falcons. Where Colin was right? I'm not sure there's a bigger fan in the world of Justin Herbert or Jim Harbaugh than myself, and they're now together.

I felt they'd win 10 or 11 games. I didn't know if they'd make the playoffs, because of Mahomes and Reed. But, you know, I was just watching this game yesterday. They just figure out ways to win. Harbock can have a bad first half, and then they reset the chairs in there. Have a good second half.

They've got a grit and a toughness. It's the first time ever. The Chargers have led the NFL in defense. They've always been finesse and fun to watch, and aesthetically pleasing, but you don't trust them. And now they're not nearly as pleasing to watch, but they're tough and they win games. So the magic formula was,

don't do what you've always been, go the opposite route, and they have, and they're winning, and I'm happy. Where Colin was right? The Pittsburgh Steelers in the last decade. Isn't it the same team with just a little variation? Once again, we said before the season, it's all going to come down to the final seven games. Go look at the schedule. It did, and they went two and five.

They still can't get offense right. You know, they end up 10 and 7, and with no chance to win the Super Bowl, and that's what the Pittsburgh Steelers have been. People in Pittsburgh won a new head coach. I don't think the Steelers are moving off, Mike Tomlin. But I feel like every Pittsburgh team in the last decade is a slight variation of the previous year's team. Where Colin was wrong. I thought Doug Peterson was a good fit in Jacksonville.

I really did. And in Trent Bulky, the GM survived. He survived and Peterson got fired. I watched him in Philadelphia out coach Bill Belichick in a Super Bowl. This was my number one pick. I liked him. People like him. Players like him.

It just never worked. Trevor Lawrence has regressed. I don't know where they go. Do you need more of a tough leader than Doug Peterson? Do you need a Brian Flores, somebody that's a culture changer, not just an offensive guy who people like, but the Jacksonville situation, I don't think I've ever been right on it. Coach, GM players, nothing works that I predict. Where Colin was right? When Tyreek Hill got traded from Kansas City to the Dolphins, I said they'll be fine without him. The league is not built around small, fast football players.

He's very good. But why would you leave Patrick Mahomes as a wide receiver? Why would you leave Andy Reed as a wide receiver? There are just moves I didn't get like, yeah, chase the bag. The guy wants out of Miami now. There's got to be more than just money. I mean, if you like the coach and you like the quarterback, it's not like you can't afford a nice home in Kansas City.

Like, I never understood this move. It was fun. I get people that want to go live in Miami with no state tax and a clever offensive coach. But I never thought this was going to change the league. I never thought it was going to change the Chiefs. They would figure out with Mahomes and Reed and Spags and Kelsey and Chris Jones to win regardless. Where Colin was right? My number one college football prediction before the season was Oregon is going to beat Ohio State at Otson.

And then Ohio State will come back to beat Oregon. And man, they did the next time they play in the playoff. So that was my top prediction. they led 31 to nothing in the first half against Oregon. I also said after they lost to Michigan, don't be shocked if they don't end up playing like a Texas for the national championship. And I still believe that. College football more than ever feels like the NFL,

where you can have a stinker of a game in December and you're okay. We don't eliminate you. And I think that is a good thing. I think college football has grown up and graduated to more professional football, meaning you get a mulligan, you can stumble your time, toe. It shouldn't be about you lose late in a season, you're done. The

Chiefs lose late in the season. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl. He lost twice in January, December, and he won a Super Bowl. It shouldn't be about the calendar. It should be about an entire book, several chapters, and who's good now and it's Ohio State? And with that, Matt Hasselbeck,

it's coming out to the set. We are so lucky to have him. 18 years in the NFL. Six playoff appearances with Seattle. My friend, it's great to see you. You know, I was saying... Where's that come from? What's that?

I heard some claps in the background. Well, we have a studio audience behind the wall. Okay, good. Thank you. So I said a year ago, Sam Darnold is a backup starting in a meaningless game. He was considered a bust. To walk into Detroit last night and be great, I thought, was as a big ask, it felt like a playoff game.

And I said last week, I'm like, I'm just going to... It's the biggest game of Detroit in 50 years. do you think differently about Darnold after that performance? Now listen, like the future is a whole lot of right now's, and that was a right now moment. Like, he had never been in that situation before. He'll learn from it. I thought it was just an awesome game plan by Aaron Glenn.

I thought they came out and was it man or was it zone. It was both. Was it a blitz we can pick up? Yes, but now we're one-on-one in an area of strength against an area of weakness. I thought the crowd noise was a real fact. I mean, the people in Detroit should feel like they had a hand in that victory. They had a hand in that defensive success because they did.

I'm not worried. I don't think I'm worried about Sam Darnold. I'm sure a lot of people are going to jump off the bandwagon. He's a really good football player, but here's what they'll do. And I think Kevin O'Connell did a good job last night, even at the podium right after the game. He kind of gave his messaging. He kind of gave his messaging like, hey, I was with a team. I believe it was the Rams.

We lost the last game in the season, and we made it to the Super Bowl. Like, we can do that, but what do we got to do? We've got to watch this tape, learn from it, flush it, and move on. We got another one this week. And that's what they'll do. But I do think the key there is learning from it. And I just think they were surprised and they didn't match the intensity of the moment. Yes.

And Detroit brought it. It was like years and years of frustration came out in one game. And think about what was at stake. That first round by for a team that's as banged up as Detroit is with home field advantage the way they have it. It's a hungry fan base. And a lot of players on that team that have been there for, you know, almost a decade. Like some of those guys, it meant more. Like, sometimes you say it in the locker room.

Like, it means more to us. I think it really did mean more to Detroit last night. And it showed. Yeah. I want to say this about, I said this to start the show. I said, in some ways the NFL is the anti-NBA. You have to be selfless and you always play hurt. by week four quarterbacks.

Kickers are dinged. And sometimes me as an outsider can roll my eyes at some of the messaging. It's a little cheesy. But there's a brotherhood and a masculinity in the NFL. And when you're going downhill, I think Dan Campbell is the perfect coach for the city. They're the Cubs and shoulder pads. Like they're just, he has been able, this team on Monday against the Niners could have just mailed it in. Let's get healthy.

He's like, no. Yeah. No, we're Detroit. Yeah. This is a... Every game matters. I think he is literally the perfect coach. Yeah.

Well, and I think you... I think their style of play, their identity, their head coach's personality, who he is at the podium, resonates with the city, resonates with Detroit. We're a tough city. We're a blue-collar city. We're not like everybody else. Like, we're built... I don't want to say Ford Tough.

But it's kind of like that mindset. Yeah. And I think that it matters. Now, listen, Dan Campbell's not just some tough... guy, though. Like, he's a guy that he played for. I think he coached with Parcells. He coached for a long time. Parcells and Peyton love him. And so, like, he's not just some like meathead. He's a guy that's like weathered the storms. He's pretty smart. He's been around. He's been around Hall of Fame type coaching. He was the interim head coach at the Miami Dolphins. Do I think he would

have been the perfect head coach for the Miami Dolphins? No. Do I think he's the perfect head coach for the Detroit Lions? Yes. And I think that's what, like, honestly, just like the synergy of your cast-off quarterback, you know, just like that, that toughness, that grittiness, that resilience, it all fits together with what they got. Now, listen, the danger for him, though, he's got to learn how to be tough and physical and all that and still survive these long seasons now. Like, you don't want to be limping into the Super Bowl. Right.

You got to, I don't know if you call it load management, but you got to practice smart, and you have to coach smart from, I don't know, like an injury standpoint. Sure. And that remains to be seen if they can do that. But there's a lot of good things to say about Detroit. I mean, a lot of good things. Yeah. So the Boneck story, it's interesting.

He fell to six. Now, it was a very good quarterback draft class. And by the way, Lamar fell to the end of the first round. It's hard. You don't know. And it's never in order. Like never, the order that is in your mock draft is never how it turns out. But it was almost as if.

He was considered in the draft. Well, let's get to Caleb and Jaden. He's the second level. And I'm like, I saw him play live twice. I saw 61 college starts. I probably saw 35 to 40 of him. This dude's athletic. He is a, I mean, I was sat on a sideline of an Oregon game watching him.

He is like a coach. Are you surprised by how effective he was? Yeah, listen, you say second level. You should have seen the combine. The dude got, Bownex, got no attention at the combine. Like very little. talking about all these other guys. They were talking about guys that weren't even working out that day. And so for Bo Nix to go do his private with Sean Payton for him to say, bam, that's my guy.

Like, that's our guy. I don't think people jumped on board and said, oh, he's going to be successful. And I know for sure they didn't feel like in year one. What he has done this year, with Bo Nix has done, what Sean Payton has done, I think he's absolutely a candidate for coach of the year. The playoff drought that they had, the season that they had last year. The dead cap money. Dead cap. Van's George. Joseph's done a great job. But no, when you watch Bo Nix play, he does not look like a rookie quarterback. I do believe that, like, in this era of young quarterbacks,

and this is somewhere where I think I had to grow and learn a little bit, these guys are so much more prepared coming into the NFL. Like, they get the extra year, they get the COVID year, the way kids are trained now. Like, I just even remember being at the financial literacy stuff at the combine. Right. And like, oh, guys, you know, hiring an agent, hiring, paying your taxes, all this stuff. half the room was like, yeah, we've been getting paid for a couple years now.

We're just all about the football. So I think these quarterbacks are coming into it. And you talk about a guy like Bo Nix that has all these starts under his belt in huge games. And the SEC out at Oregon, it's very different than say like an Anthony Richardson situation, a guy that hadn't played a ton of football. He's got a bunch of starts under his belt. I think it matters. And having a Hall of Fame coach and Sean Payton, I mean, they're doing great.

So I got a lot of things I want to ask you about. We're going to get to the coaching thing in a second because I want your thoughts on Pete Carroll, potentially in Chicago. I don't think it's ridiculous. And I forget Aegis. I just think Pete's really good. Well, you can't be Ageist since you're 61 today. Happy birthday, by the way.

I am 61 today. Whatever. I looked at Aaron Rogers. Wait, we were talking Pete Carroll? Are we talking to Aaron? I want to go to Aaron and back to Pete. You're back to Ageist. Got it.

Yeah. So it's not a great quarterback draft class. Cousins looked a little washed. Vikings probably retain Darnold. It is easy to just punt on Aaron. But I look at him in the last eight weeks, and seven of them, I was like, that's pretty good. I think there's, I don't think the jet should cut him. I actually think he has a semi-vibrant market.

Yeah. I mean, listen, he can still play. You saw that. And I talked about earlier in the year, the Jets look like a team. that were having no fun. I would say the total opposite, the end here. Like yesterday, they looked like they were having so much fun. It was anything but a chore.

There was like a bunch of grown men playing to, you know, almost like paying to play with like, and like what those legends things, you know what I mean? Like they looked like a great way to go out if he goes out. But no, I would just say that if Aaron Rogers wants to keep playing, he can. The thing, though, I don't think it can be like Aaron Streetball. I don't think he has the mobility for that. I just don't think that's winning football.

I don't think that's what people are going to pay. for. What they would pay for is an amazing conductor, a point guard, not the guy that's going to be Michael Jordan. They're looking for more of a distributor. They're looking for more of a, someone to steady the ship. Maybe they just sort of be humble and be like a little bit more of a system quarterback. But can he throw? Yeah, he can throw. Is the game slowed down for him? Yes. Is he as mobile and durable as he once was? Like, no. And I think that's going to be the decision that he has to make. But seeing the joy, it was certainly there yesterday.

I mean, that part for me, I think, was fun to watch. So I have said, so let's now go into some of the coaching stuff. So we've got a bunch of coaching openings. We've got the Saints, the Patriots, the Jags, the Jets, the Bears, and there may be another one. We'll wait on the Raiders. So I said I didn't think Rex Ryan to the Jets was nuts. And I don't think Pete Carroll to Chicago is crazy. For a lot of reasons, I do not think you can give this to a snazzy coordinator who's never been a

coach. This is a city, football to politics, everything's political, everything in Chicago. And they don't have the strongest ownership as a city. And nobody's got like the super wealthy owners. I think Pete Carroll works in Chicago. You know Pete. Does he fit? Yeah. I mean, listen, I thought you're going to say Brian Flores, because that that feels like it fits also. That's one that people are talking about. The synergy from GM to head coach to quarterback is very important in Chicago. That's something they have not gotten right since who knows when. I would say this.

Pete Carroll, like the more dysfunction you have in an organization, the more you need a culture builder, an identity maker, an absolute rock star at the podium, like a rock star, not someone who's learning on the fly. And like you mentioned those two organizations, the Jets and the Bears. I think they need a culture builder. I think they need a rock star at the podium. To me, Pete Carroll, just knowing Pete, he is in love with USC. So if there's any new head coach coming into Chicago that wants to see Caleb Williams succeed, it's Pete Carroll.

But the revolving door in Chicago where the GM, the head coach, and the quarterback, they didn't sort of come in together. That's been one of the problems. Because if you get a new head coach in there who Caleb's not my guy, I'm not married to him, my contract's not tied to his contract. like I can move on if I want to blame somebody. That could easily happen to the young quarterback. So I think you need someone that can handle the young quarterback who's got a tremendous amount of potential. And I think Pete Carroll would be the perfect guy.

Culture Setter will bring a bunch of people with him who have been there and done it. And a lot of times, you know, who you are as a head coach is who's willing to come with you. And I think Pete Carroll has the credentials to bring a lot of people with them. So, you know, I was saying, As this is the first time I remember, best quarterback won every division. And I think Jared Goff is playing the best quarterback in a division where Darnold and

Love and Caleb are super talented. But virtually every division best quarterback won. And that's why I don't like the season extending to 18 games, because the more games you have, if I have a better quarterback and I get 60 more snaps in two more games than five years ago, I'm going to win the division. I like the NFL when there's, you can be a defensive team that we would go into the playoffs and think, the Steelers have a chance to win the Super Bowl. But we don't think that.

Because in the AFC, Russell Wilson's fine, but not special. When I look at all this, the dark horse team to me that nobody is saying can win a Super Bowl is the Chargers. So Harbaugh is arguably as good a coach as a sport has outside of Andy Reid. Herbert now is as efficient as Aaron Rogers and Brady in their prime. They don't have a star receiver. It's January football. I mean, the Tyreek Hills disappear very quickly. Number one defense, rush end, Harbaugh Herbert,

best offensive tackle combination. I look at the chargers, and I'm like, if you told me the boxes that fit playoffs, you're smirking at me. I wasn't expecting that. I wasn't expecting chargers, but maybe that's exactly what your point is. You know, like this is what I'd say.

There's going to be a curveball. My favorite week, Maybe you could say championship weekend, you know, AFC, NFC, championship. But my favorite weekend is wildcard weekend. Those were like, if you look throughout the history of the best playoff games that have ever been played, I feel like it's always wildcard weekend. And so, like, you know, they call it wildcard because like any, it's anybody's weekend

and it's different. And everybody's zero and zero. And the boost that you can get from having sort of like a disappointing season. And now all of a sudden, like, no, we're oh and oh. And the chiefs are oh and oh. And like, everybody's oh and oh. And besides the buy, it's an, it's an equal playing field.

So anything can happen. Like, that's the beauty of it. You just got to get hot at the right time. That's why, listen, every single team that I was ever on, ever, the head coach in the very first meeting of the year said the same thing. Didn't matter the team, offensive coach, defensive coach. What do they all say? Win our division.

That's goal number one because if we win the division, we are in the playoffs. And if we're in the tournament, anything can happen. And that's just like the mindset that goes into it. So like you're saying the charges, yeah, why not? They have a short week at Houston. Here we go. You know, now we're into round two. Like, it doesn't take that much to get there.

Like, that's what the exciting thing is. And all your peers are watching. Everybody in the league is watching. There's no other games. It's just your game. Yeah, the Chargers, they would not have been my dark horse. Okay, so let's go back to it. I want you to give me a paragraph on each game.

So let's start. Chargers at the Texans. I feel bad the Texans are always in that, like, not primetime game. you know that Saturday, 3.30? I think that's how I felt when we were in Seattle kind of joke. You're in the witness protection program out there. And they never give you the primetime game

because you're not like one of those original six and hockey kind of deal. No, listen, they're not a team like ascending. I think the Chargers defense is way better than people realize. They're a team to reckon with probably in the second round of the playoffs. I don't know if the Texans can protect CJ Stroud the way they need to.

That's, to me, that's the take. Steelers at the Ravens? I think the Ravens are my dark horse team. Like Lamar Jackson's playing as good as anybody. I think people have sort of written them off because they didn't have the most amazing regular season, but you want to talk about a team that can win it all

and they have all the pieces. To me, I think the Ravens would be that team. The Steelers, I said earlier, I think they should have been playing both quarterbacks. I think Russell Wilson is obviously great at a lot of things, but he's not as mobile. I think Justin Fields is a pretty he's a difficult, difficult quarterback to game plan for Mike Tomlin.

I just felt Arthur Smith, I felt like two quarterbacks playing would make them a more difficult team on offense. They didn't do that. I think the Ravens are the team. Denver at Buffalo. Listen, playing in Buffalo, there's a couple things. Like, I've done it a bunch of times. The weather's a thing. The weather's a thing.

I've seen a lot of warm weather teams go up there and kind of get like spooked before the game even starts because like the cold. Denver's not dealing with that. And like, you listen to Sean Payton talk. And he's in the locker room right after the game. And he's like, listen up, guys. You are young. You're the one of youngest teams in the league. You are young and you are hungry.

And that is a dangerous thing in the playoffs, young and hungry. And he is selling them. He's a great example of a Hall of Fame type coach who's saying, hey, we're O&O. It does not matter. We can go in there, get this win. And I believe, listen, that I don't know how I would pick that game. And I love Buffalo.

Love them. Whoever wins that game, could definitely represent the AFC. Wow. How about that? Packers at Philly. Philly's kind of been downshifted. Some of the, obviously, the concussion to Jalen Hertz.

What say you? I like Philly. I've liked him all year. You have. You know, I thought Green Bay did a horrible, horrible end of the game situation yesterday. Kind of gave that game away. But despite that, I think that Philly is a great team. Even with their backup to the backup quarterback,

I think they look good. I mean, this is a team. They draft well. And whoever they drafted the quarterback position or whoever that plays quarterback for them, that coaching staff for years and years now, they seem to just play okay. You know, like they got a six-round quarterback out there. He looks good to me. So listen, obviously Jalen hurts one of the game's best quarterbacks,

but I don't think this is a team that lives and dies by that. I think they're better than people give them credit for. Commanders at the Bucks. Listen, I love watching Baker Mayfield play. Like, I love it. And I love what they did with Mike Evans yesterday. Like, Baker is doing awesome. Love him.

But this is Wild Card Weekend. If you were going to force me to pick sort of like an underdog on the seating chart, I told you, I believe if Washington can clean up just like the sloppy image. Too many defensive penalties. Like, you know, they have something really special at the quarterback position in Washington. but again, Baker Mayfield, he's playing tough. Gritty, definitely gritty. That'd be fun.

That'd be a fun game to watch. If I had to pick an upset, Washington might be one to pick, though. Finally, J-Mack and I disagree. Vikings at the Rams. I don't love the Rams' secondary matchup against the Vikings receivers. And I also think everybody's selling their Viking stock. And to your point, that was almost a non-winnable game last night. Vikings Rams.

Tough game. Like, this is not, like, that's why last night's game, was so big. One team gets the buy. Like Detroit gets to go heal up. Some of their players are, their wives are due this week. They're having babies. They needed this by week, literally, okay? And

instead, the Vikings have to go play Sean McVeigh, Matthew Stafford, Puka, Cooper Cuff, like, that's not a tough one. That defense? Defense is good. They are arguably, the Rams arguably the healthiest team in the league now. Which is crazy. But don't you think it's a good lesson as people are

trying to figure out what to do with their head coach and next year. This year, people were trying to sell off the L.A. Rams. They were trying to trade Cooper Cup. They were literally trying to happen. And then they played a nationally televised game. And they played outstanding. It was right before the trade deadline. And everyone was like, whoa, whoa, maybe they could be a playoff contender.

And so, like, that's just the thing. The best teams are the teams when adversity hits. You don't pull apart. You don't quit on your team. You don't do that. You stick together and you pull together. and that's why that locker room matters. That's why the head coach at the podium matters.

And the Rams are just one of those teams. And so what's the strength of the Vikings? To me, if I'm a quarterback, man, Brian Flores in that defense is difficult to recognize what they're doing. You have Matthew Stafford, one of the most experienced quarterbacks. It's such a, with Sean McVeigh, it's such a great matchup. Good stuff. Matt Hasselbeck, who was a free agent on the market, and we feel like we got a steal on him.

Now, why are you in L.A. this week? We don't get you in L.A. No, yeah. What you say? Every five weeks, probably my son's a freshman quarterback at UCLA, and they start school today. So I said, hey, I'll come out with you. We had some luggage. We brought some extra bags this time, if I'm being real. So you're going to be out here more often. We'll see. Yeah, hope so. I mean, I don't know if he wants me around. You know what I mean? He's like, Dad, I'm at Rockos. Like, what are you talking about? Leave me alone. I know. Inside joke. I know. You got to be smart, though. That's not an easy school.

He can't be party, son. I could see you in college. I had hair back then. It was dangerous. No, he does well in school. He had a great first semester. Way to go. And his name is?

Henry. That's awesome. Yeah. Love having it on the show, bud. Thank you. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Hey, is Steve Kavino.

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So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast for people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Is the Herd Line News. Let's start with Mike Evans. What a story in Tampa. I don't know if you saw this yesterday.

He only needed 85 yards to get his 11th straight,000-yard season. So Evans was five minutes away from reaching the mark with two minutes left and the bucks were up eight. Everybody thought it was over. Well, they got the ball back in the final seconds, and here's Mike Evans on the moment he went over 1,000 yards. I was hoping we'd get this out because I can't pass up history. And Coach Bowles didn't want to let it pass up or Liam. So I'm happy that they had me go out there and get that

because it's been hard to do for 11 straight years and to be tired of one of the, if not the greatest receiver of all time. It means a lot to me and my family. Yeah, and good dude. super productive. I have no problem in Week 18 if it's a non-running back heading into the playoffs.

I don't want my running backs taking extra hits, but if a wide receiver, tight-end quarterback is seeking a record, and I kind of am not a record guy or an award guy, but in this instance, I think it's cool. I'm full. I'm full. I'm like a guy who's not set a lot of records in his life.

Records are cool, man. Come on. So not only that, but Evans got a $3 million bonus. for reaching a thousand yards. Well, look how his teammates are reacting. Nobody thinks he's selfish. They love this guy. Well, he did wear a shirt with his name and face in the post game.

Mike Evans' t-shirt. Mike Evans speaking at the podium, which is pretty cool. Bucks lock up the fourth seed in the NFC South, and they will host Washington. Really, really spicy games. Yeah, I think I like Washington. I think. Bick from Mayfield, Gene, a lot of good storylines here.

maybe both rookie quarterbacks go in and just get ambushed and it's over and Bo Nix and Jaden are gone, but it just Denver's defense is real. And Washington, I deal with Washington, just cut down on the mistakes. They kind of, they get kind of penalty choked from time to time and hurt themselves, but Washington's a tough out. Cliff Kingsbury has a do-over. Do you remember how he did as a head coach with Arizona in their playoff game against the Rams?

That was that Kyler Murray. I don't want to go back in face Aaron Donald's game. Next up is the Tennessee Titans officially on the clock for April's NFL draft. They've secured the number one pick since the Patriots got the dub. And now the question becomes, do they go Shedur, Sanders, or Cam Ward? Because everybody thinks he don't will love us, he ain't the dude. There is a report, I will stress the report, that Tennessee is rumored to love Cam Ward and could take him first overall.

Colin, are you ready for three and a half months of Cam or Chador? Or do you already have your pick now? Well, I think Cam has the bigger arm, better athlete. Chadour is the more polished, refined guy. I think both are B prospects. And you take whoever you want. I mean, I think they both have upside. I think both are better prospects than Will Levis.

I mean, Cam's got a big boy arm. I mean, he's going to sling it, and he's a playmaker. so I don't have a strong feeling. I think what's going to happen in this draft with quarterbacks is there's going to be two or three guys drafted, second round, third round, and they will land with better teams and be the best quarterbacks in the class.

That's not a bad take. In a weak quarterback class, there will be a second rounder late first or top of the third rounder. You know I've told you this about Riley Leonard. I think Riley Leonard... Oh, stop. They can't do for 90 yards against Georgia.

Come on. What was needed to win. One last note on Tennessee. So Callahan in Cincinnati, when he was the O.C, had Joe Burrow at quarterback. Is there any, either of these guys that you think Cam or Shadur that fits what Callahan would love to have another borough? Obviously, neither of them are Burrow. Well, Shadur's not going to leave the pocket. He's going to sit there and throw strikes, holds it a bit too long.

So, you know, Cam is a playmaker. Cam has got, you know, he's a little Jaden Daniels, a little playmaker, a little move. you know, I mean, if, which is fine. I mean, Bo Nix and Jaden Daniels, dude, they run a lot, and it's successful. J.J. McCarthy, by the way, if you watch them in the preseason for the Vikings, he'll just take off. So, you know, he's, I'm not, that's not a negative to me. 10 years ago, it was more negative. Now, if a guy wants to take off and pick up YAR, I always say it takes you about three years for the game to slow down for a quarterback.

If you can move the chains for three years with your feet as you're trying to figure out the pocket, by all means. do it. Interesting, because for most of the season, a lot of the guys who came on this show thought Chador was going to be number one. And now it's more people seem to like Canada. Well, I just, I don't think either one is viewed as transformational.

What did you make of the stuff Dion was saying that, hey, Travis Hunter and Chadour, they're not going to the draft. They're going to hang with us on campus. We're going to do our own thing. Did you have any thoughts on that? Or, I don't, I think they're both going to get drafted in the top five. I think Dion pokes people a little bit. He's a little nonconformist, and I'm okay with that.

Yeah, it's nonconformist. Now, final story, Colin, is, how about Bryce Young? Can we give the man some problems? Let's give him some problems. What a game he had. I know it was meaningless. I know the Falcons, you know, they're not a good defense,

but 251 yards passing. Three touchdowns, 1-23-and-a-half passer rating, two rushing touchdowns. And after the game owner, David Teper chimed in. I think we got our QB here. You see the no-look touchdown, like this is what we saw in high school and college. And he moved well, accurate, quick release. This is exactly what we, this is why I said the draft.

I thought he was the number one quarterback. I thought he had juice. I thought CJ Stroud was good, but I didn't see it. He was more of a golf comp. This is what I saw out of college, a guy that moves, good enough arm. By the way, when he's moving around like this, he doesn't look as small, does it? Does it not look at small? No, I mean, Canalis figured it out.

I mean, he looks small as first year. He was nervous. He was in the pocket. He was overwhelmed. But when he starts moving his feet, I met his high school quarterback, his high school football coach, legendary coach in Southern California. I said, who's the best player he ever had? And in a program that has 15 Division I guys every few years.

And he said Bryce Young is as gifted a player as he ever had. So with the win in overtime, Carolina got to five wins. Do you remember their season win total was four and a half? that was one of your favorite overs. Well, when I hosted one day you were gallivanting around the globe, we had a guy on and he's like, we hammered Carolina over four and a half. The line moved to five.

And Bryce Young comes through with the career game. I don't know if he's a franchise guy, but he was so good yesterday if Stroud struggles. And by the way, we'll talk about the Chargers' defensive coordinator, who, by the way, was at Michigan and really bottled up Stroud. If Stroud struggles and Bryce Young looks so good, I wonder if they're kind of getting closer to who's better. No, no, no.

I think you and I both said this about two weeks ago. It's like if you redrafted, I'm not sure right now that you would go to see Jay Stroud over Bryce Young. I think you're on to something. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Okay, I'm going to take my first stab at it.

Who would I hire if I'm the Bears, the Jags, the Jets, the Patriots, the Saints, the Saints. We'll do that next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news.

We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast,

where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio. app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. Help an Acapella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves,

their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levan this went to a billion dollar fraud.

But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the Aihar Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. the reason I think I'm going to get it's because I'm the best guy and it ain't close. The thing that you have to do, you have to connect with a football team, you have to connect with your

fan base and the way they play, that's the most important thing. Not just the X's and O's and all that. Look, this Ben Johnson, I love them. I absolutely love him, but I'm a better candidate for this job than he would be. Okay, I'm going to tell you, this is just my kind of first swing at this stuff. I'm going to give you the vacancies. Let's start with the Saints. I would hire if I'm the New Orleans Saints to weaken the best team in the division, Tampa. I'd hire Leon Cohen, who's the offensive coordinator for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It would weaken the Buccaneers in Baker. He's part of the Sean McVeatree.

The Saints are currently in Cap Hell, so they've got to figure out ways to be creative, and that's what this guy is. So I could weaken one of the big dogs in my division, pull him from Baker. I'd go with him, Liam Cohen, for the Saints. I would love to go offense with Drake May, but I'm going to take Mike Vrable. Listen, I think he's the best coaching candidate on the market, and I don't think this is a dysfunctional job. You know, New York, Chicago feel a bit dysfunctional. I think Vrable would bring in a guy like it, maybe a Josh McDaniels, and I think it would work very quickly.

I also think Buffalo is obviously the best team in the division, but you can win a lot of games here. The Jets in Miami are always a little wonky. I would do Vrable. Jaguars, I would go, Aaron Glenn, who is Jacksonville's defense is 31st in the league. And even with the injuries to Detroit's defense, they have the number seven scoring defense. Now think about how good of a job he's done. You're in a division with high-scoring Minnesota, Green Bay, and Caleb Williams. Your defense gets, Aidan Hutchison gets injured early, and you become the seventh best defense in the league.

I thought he put on a clinic last night. I mean, Sam Darnold has not been rattled in like three and a half months, and I thought Sam Darnold's struggle. So I think this organization needs to go with an intense coach, a defensive coach, and I think it's Aaron Glenn. The Jets, I would go Ben Johnson. Rex Ryan, I don't think is ridiculous. This has not been a top 10 offense in the league since 2008. They've got Aaron Rogers. They've got a top running back.

They've got two receivers. They've got a left tackle for the future. Their defense is fine. You are not winning with defense in this division if you've got to face Josh Allen. You've got to score points. It's the same thing with Patrick Mahomes. You're not winning that division. Justin Herbert gives you a fighting chance.

I would go offense. The organization worries me, but they've gone defense too often. I would go Ben Johnson, who I think is clever and creative. Chicago Bears, I would go Brian Flores. He has head coaching experience. Pete Carroll would be my 1A. I think you need a culture guy over a scheme whiz. I'm not giving this job to somebody that's never been a head coach.

I need a strong, alpha, defiant. I think he's excellent. Ryan Poles and Flores were teammates at Boston College. So again, I cannot give. of Ben Johnson, the Chicago job. He has never been a head coach. This is a political job. Flores has learned his mistakes through Tua.

Yes, believe it or not, people, people improve, people make mistakes. Nobody's perfect. That's probably my first run in it. Now, if new information comes out, I don't think Pete Carroll to the Bears is a bad choice. He'd be my 1A. I don't think Rex Ryan to the Jets is crazy. but I think Ben Johnson, offense, let's get it right, let's get the offense right. I mean, look at the AFC.

Herbert, now Bo Nicks, Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. You're not winning with great defense. You've got to score some points. I'm not saying Spags doesn't matter, but you get to a Super Bowl, you get the conference championships. You've got to score in the high 20s or 30s. Jets can't get their offense right and having for years. So, Jemak, you're grimacing.

I'll take Ben Johnson. I just don't see why y'all on earth he would He would downgrade from a Super Bowl contender to a dysfunctional disaster. How about $8.5 million a year? Who's my quarterback? Aaron Rogers. No thanks. Hey guys, it's us.

The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

First people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's, Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode we're cutting through the noise.

breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear.

Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michelle McPhee,

and I've been unraveling the strangest criminal alliance I've ever reported on, a Mormon polygamist and an Armenian businessman. Multi-million dollar house, Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, a billion dollar fraud. But how long can this alliance last? Tell me what you know.

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