The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - College Power Houses

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

Looking at the college football power houses and the pressure head coaches face Should the Colts let Anthony Richardson be a running QB?   Guest: Mark KaoblySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy in...formation.

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Starting point is 00:02:56 I could have to him for an hour. We didn't have an hour, but I could have to talk to him for an hour. I like Muscle Man, Few. You're getting back on the college basketball track. I'm giving you a nudge in that direction. Well, you are. Plus, I think the NIL actually helps college basketball. I mean, if you could go Duke, Gonzaga, Villanova, Kansas, or G League, and you make the same money,
Starting point is 00:03:19 if you get the right coach, I get a Mark Few, or I get a Bill Self, or I get, you know, if I get a top coach or I can go to the G League, I'd rather be in a college campus. Plus, the college campus and March Madness is such a mark. marketing tool, such a promotional device for your shoe deal. So, I mean, that's why Zion got the big shoe contract. That's, so to me, you know, I'm not saying there's not good coaches in the G league. Nick Nurse was there. You know, Eric Musselman was there.
Starting point is 00:03:48 There'd been good coaches in the G League. But I'm saying if I could go to Kansas or a Gonzaga or a Yukon for one year, I know I'm an NBA prospect or G League, I'd go with Dan Hurley. Yeah, it's probably the, hey, I would rather go overseas or G League because I don't have to pretend to do school for a year before I go to the NBA. You know, like, I don't have to go to class. What a sham this is. Like, I just want to play basketball and eat healthy and get on the right track.
Starting point is 00:04:12 And, you know, I don't think that's the right attitude. I'm kind of with you. I would, you know, the college campus makes a lot of sense. But try telling that to an 18, 19 year old. If I hit, if I hit the lottery, I'm going to call Dan Hurley up and slide him a few. Can I do that? Dan Hurley? You think he needs a few?
Starting point is 00:04:28 What's wrong with you, man? Probably not. Hey, Dan, do you need a couple bucks? You're probably right. They're probably well-funded. Is it legal for us to do that? Can we give to an NIL? Ryan, can you check on that? It's your money. Well, I know, but we're supposed to be above rooting.
Starting point is 00:04:44 I'm not above anything. I'm a Jets fan. If the Jets had an NIL, you'd give them a monthly check. Wait, how about this? If Steph Curry demanded a trade from the Warriors tomorrow and went to the Houston Rockets, I'm now a Rockets fan. I ride with Curry, not necessarily the Warriors. Does that make sense? Are you okay? Let's get back to the, is it legal to do NILs? a sportscaster. Could I give to a collective? Why not?
Starting point is 00:05:06 I'm just asking the question. I don't know. What's the problem with that? Well, the audience may think you're in the pocket of a school. You put yourself in the pocket, though. They don't control you. By the way, let's you know what, let's just go to Jeff Schwartz.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Former NFL or Oregon Duck. I don't know the answer to that. Jeff, do you know the answer to that? You were a Big Ten Media Days. If I wanted to give to an NFL or you wanted to give to Oregon, Is it okay to do that? Yeah, why not? There's no rules against it.
Starting point is 00:05:37 I think the Washington Huskies could use some of your money. You should throw them some money, Colin. They could use some more NIL cash. It's all about the money now, right? So, you know, Oregon only gets players that want money, and when they decommission to go somewhere else is because of the culture and the love of the sport at that school. So Washington could use some.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Throw some of your direction. All right. I'll ponder that. So you go to the Big Ten Media Days. Before I get to Oregon, USC, was there an overriding theme? Was there something that jumped out to you in the Big Ten Media Days? Maybe it was Oregon. Well, a lot of people like Oregon, which I did not kind of expect,
Starting point is 00:06:16 even though I know they were voted second and sort of the unofficial media poll for Big Ten Media Day. But there was a lot of Oregon love, which I thought is unique for going to a brand new conference in the tradition of the Big Ten and what they stand for and what they have been and what they are going to be, that Oregon was so probably if every part of that was Oregon doing a good job with marketing, putting that duck on the river and Dan Lennon making some comments with what he said.
Starting point is 00:06:39 But Colin, my takeaway is the health and strength of the quarterbacks in this conference. I judge the strength of your quarterbacks in your conference right or wrong by how many show up to Media Day. So look around the country. The SEC had 12, I believe. The Big 12 had nine. The ACC requires all quarterbacks to be there.
Starting point is 00:06:56 The Big 10 had five. Out of 18 teams, that's a lot of. it. Will Howard wasn't there. Now, I think Ohio State doesn't have been transfers, but I would bring your starting quarterback. Drew Allen wasn't there for Penn State, and there's question marks all over this conference at quarterback. We know how important that is, top of the conference as well. I have to get to Oregon, Ohio State. Is Dr. Aller going to be good? What's happening in Michigan? Does Iowa find an offense? So to me, it's all about quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. If Raola is good in Nebraska, and that defense plays as well as it has last season and can be,
Starting point is 00:07:28 watch out for them. So to me, the theme of the whole three days was, is my quarterback going to improve? Is my transfer going to play well? Because there's a lot of good defenses. There's some good offensive lines, some good skill guys, but comes down to quarterback play. Lincoln Riley complained a little about NIL, said we're almost there, almost there. My takeaway was USC may not have Oregon NIL or Texas or whatever. It's fine. I think the bigger issue with USC inside the program, what I'm hearing is they don't, think their high school recruiting is very good. I mean, so, and I look, and I follow USC's depth chart. They have no depth offensively, in my take is Lincoln. This is what you do.
Starting point is 00:08:08 You're an offensive guy. They don't even have a, you know, they don't have an elite quarterback right now. You know, I sense some frustration in the USC world for very mediocre high school football recruiting. Do you sense that? Oh, I certainly do that. I think you see that in the depth of the offensive defense alliance, positions that Lincoln Riley admitted this off season, they can't go portaling for that, right? He came in early.
Starting point is 00:08:33 He tried to build up the trenches with the offensive defense line in the portal and realized you can add certain pieces, right? Bell Alexander is a good defensive alignment. But you get, you have one of those guys, right? Now you have to build up those units with high school recruiting. And so now into year three, they're really in those positions where you are year one, which is, okay, now we're going to really put focus into those guys and we know it takes a couple years. Now they have some young offensive linemen that played well last year. They're going to play this year. But it's about building the depth. When you look at the best defensive lines in the country, Michigan, Georgia the last couple of years, Clemson over the years, they rotate a lot of
Starting point is 00:09:08 defensive linemen. You need eight guys to play. Right now, USC has one, maybe two guys with pro potential. So to me, it's about, okay, we've acknowledged a problem, which is we did not go hard enough in recruiting those high school players in those positions. We have to make up for that. The problem is it's USC it's now year three right and there's expectations there to win a conference to being the playoff and it takes years to build those you know those lines up so i'm not sure we're going to see the results USC fans want with wins and losses but i appreciate the acknowledgement that we didn't do things the way we need to we're going to fix that the the defense of hires as you know are fantastic they're they're going to produce when they get the right players in there
Starting point is 00:09:49 um a college football 12 team playoff now i'm not sure if i'm right or not i probably like LSU more than other people. I'm trusting Brian Kelly, but I do think Utah wins the Big 12 over Kansas State, a team like Boise State or Liberty's guaranteed to get in. I think Oregon wins the Big Ten. You're looking at my rundown. I think what's problematic is a Tennessee or in Iowa
Starting point is 00:10:13 could be a very, very, very good team and get bumped out by a team like Florida State winning a week conference, Utah winning a week conference, or Liberty. Anything here, jump out. Am I missing anybody or any slight here when you look at my projected bracket? There's a couple of teams I think you're missing, but not teams where I'm like, oh, wow, Colin's really missing that team. Look, I think your point about the Big Ten teams, I think those are in. I think the SEC, it's about right. I think people are a little undervaluing Alabama. They're plus 800 to win the SEC. Same here, yeah. Kail and DeBore is 104 and 11 as a head
Starting point is 00:10:49 coach. Even you take out Sue Falls. I think he's like 37 and 9. in Division I football and they have talent. Some left, but he brought them in. I think the one team that I look at in this, it's not on this list, it's sort of a wild card is Miami. Miami's schedule is pretty easy.
Starting point is 00:11:08 They have a couple landmines here, but Cam Ward is really good. If Mario can get the best out of Cam Ward, Damien Martinez is good to running back. Unlike, you know, when we talk about with USC and the offense defense line, Mario has recruited those positions well into year three, and those guys are now big,
Starting point is 00:11:23 contributors up front. They just have to avoid that one crummy loss, that one decision. And with the ACC, the way it is, with Clemson sort of teetering on talent, Florida State's interesting, they lose a lot of players. I'm not quite sold on DJU being great for them. So Miami, to me, is the one team out of all these
Starting point is 00:11:40 that I think is the wild card. Because look, Nordame's schedule, they're in. I mean, they might go 12 and 0. I think they're in. The Big Ten teams look about right, maybe to your point about Iowa, if they get a little bit of offense this year with their schedule, They could see 10 and 2 and be a playoff team, but you don't want to play Iowa in the postseason.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Finally, I said this, Harbaugh leaving, you think it's a favor for Ohio State, and I see it the opposite. Now Ohio State has to win the conference. I mean, Harbaugh's been in the NFL. He's succeeded. To say he's better than Ryan Day, like, that's not a big leap. But now Harbaugh's out. Washington and Michigan are in rebuilds. USC is still building.
Starting point is 00:12:22 only Oregon has a roster close to Ohio State, in my opinion, and they play in Eugene. If he loses that game in Eugene, I mean, my take is there's more pressure on Ryan Day, and I said this yesterday, is that I don't know what they are other than talented. They're a little like Texas and Sark. Love the roster, not sure what they are. I always knew what Sabin's Bama teams are or Kirby's Georgia teams. even Lincoln Riley, I kind of know what they are and what they're not. Ohio State and Texas are just talented.
Starting point is 00:12:56 How much pressure on Ryan Day this year? You can feel the pressure talking to him on the radio. He understands what is expected of them. Unlike, look, Oregon's, there's a lot of expectations, but Dan Lang's in year three. You know, like Ryan Day is now, I think, in year six or seven. They've lost the rival three straight years. That rival won a championship, by the way, while he's been there. And I think that there's pressure.
Starting point is 00:13:18 And then, Colin, you know this. Everyone knows this. They spent a lot of resources on making that roster the best of the country. A lot of resources. They brought in Chip Kelly to be offensively. It's a little different philosophy offensively than what they've had over the years, run the football a little bit more. They need to pair sort of Ryan Day's passing game with Chip Kelly's run game
Starting point is 00:13:37 formationally. Defensively, they can rush the passer. They brought in Caleb Downs. Like they have Burke. I mean, they got dudes. And so they have to, at the minimum, got to be Michigan and got to be in the Big Ten championship game, that probably guarantees you a spot in the playoff. But there's about four or five teams this year that are legitimately championship robust.
Starting point is 00:13:56 And Ohio State's one of them. If they don't win a championship this year, maybe you want a playoff game, your fans back off a little bit. But the expectation this year with the roster, it comes down to my opinion to how good Will Howard plays is championship robust. Yeah. I mean, Michigan, say what you want. They had an opportunity in the roster, and they brought home the trophy. When Alabama or Georgia had the best roster, they bring home trophy.
Starting point is 00:14:16 they bring home trophies. Ohio State's arguably got the best roster. You can't be the sixth best team in the country when the playoff is done. So Jeff Schwartz, Fox Sports Analyst, former NFL offensive linemen is always good seeing you, bud. Glad to be here. Thank you. You bet. You know, some of these football powerhouses are good every year, but they're fan bases.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Fewer NFL games, scarcity of games. Ohio State will only play one game all season in the regular season, Oregon, where somebody has equal talent. In the NFL, you can see good teams. You can see a good Colts team years ago, go down to a bad Jacksonville team and get upset, and it's not shocking. So college football, more pressure on coaches,
Starting point is 00:15:03 because they're like six brands in the country that always have more good players. You know, Bama, LSU, and Georgia, always have great players. When Texas has the right coach, always better players. Ohio State, Michigan doesn't. Michigan doesn't recruit like a lot. Ohio State. Ohio State is an SEC team north.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Like on average in my lifetime, four schools have the best players if they have a great coach. Bama, LSU, Georgia, Ohio State. Now, it used to be USC, but the West Coast high school football does not produce like it used to do years ago in the Pete Carroll era. It's just there's not as many good players in California as there used to be. There's a lot of pushback on high school football from parents out west that you don't deal with in the South or the Midwest. So at Ohio State, you may, all year, face one team that has your talent. That Georgia, Ohio State game, when you watch that game, that Georgia won, you're like, okay, there's 26 NFL players on the field. That was a rare game for them where you were like, okay, Ohio State, Georgia, they look like the speed, the quarterbacks, the edge rushers.
Starting point is 00:16:10 But there's, I mean, Ryan Day's teams are talented. Texas has been talented by entire life. what are you? I always know what Bama is. Last year with Kaelin DeBore. I knew what Washington was and what they weren't. Ohio State's just talented and they've got to get out of that space. So I was able to look up some college football lines for some of the bigger games this season.
Starting point is 00:16:31 You want to get, we'll guess the two easy ones. Okay. Michigan at Ohio State. Now this is late in the season, but they have a line up. My guess right now today is Ohio State minus eight and a half. Okay, it's Ohio State minus nine and a half. Yeah. Now, the big one that's going to be tough.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Take your time on this. Ohio State at Oregon. Who's favored them by how much? I would say Ohio State by one and a half. Oregon minus one. Yeah, that's going to be the game of the year. Probably, yeah. That's going to be.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Now, again, it's early. You can't get down too much on these. I don't think. I think Ohio State thinking, yeah, we play in the big house. There's 100,000 people. Oregon is so much louder than Michigan. I mean, it's only like 55,000. Oregon is the loudest small stadium in the world.
Starting point is 00:17:19 It's built into the ground. So that place is going to be, I've been there for big Oregon games. There's only two stadiums out west where you can't hear. Washington, Husky Stadium and Oregon. And because of it's not open air, Oregon's built into the ground. It's louder than Washington. Washington's got, you know, the sound and some of the sound escapes. The two loudest stadiums I've ever been in, Gainesville, Florida.
Starting point is 00:17:42 because it's built. Well, yeah, it's built up. So the sound has nowhere to go, but reverb back and forth. And Oregon. And Ohio State's saying, oh, 50,000. We play in double of that in Michigan. Camp Randall's way bigger. They're not as loud as Oregon.
Starting point is 00:17:55 You better come in knowing you will not hear your coaches. Isn't Camp Randall the one that does jump around? By the way, great. People just have no, they go to Oregon, they look at the stadium, I think it's not very big. I can stand. If you and I are within four feet, I couldn't hear you talk. You don't think that's the case in Ann Arbor at the Big House?
Starting point is 00:18:16 No, all that escapes because the way it's built, the sound escape. Oregon is in the ground and loud. The old one was even louder than this one. This one's still deafening. Do you want to try to get us tickets to that game? Do you like how I did? I didn't get us tickets to the game. You want to go?
Starting point is 00:18:34 I'd go. That's the game of the year in college football. I hope we have it at Fox. I don't know, but that's the game of the year. That is unbelievable. It's like a couple years ago, Texas played Bama. You're like, that game you want to be at. Plus, I think it's reasonably early in the season, so it won't be, is it in October or something?
Starting point is 00:18:52 I don't think it's late. October 12th. So the fall in Eugene, Oregon, 65 degrees. Oh, green. I mean, if you can hook it up. See if you can give your JV basketball team a couple days off. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
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Starting point is 00:23:07 Shane Steichen has a quarterback Anthony Richardson. Wildly dynamic. Didn't play a lot in college. Big, strong. You know, kind of a combination of Yallel Mar Jackson, but you have Cam Newton's size. And my takeaway is, yes, he got hurt last year, but his superpower is running and being dynamic. Let him do it. If you buy a Maserati, you're not buying it to put it in the carpool lane.
Starting point is 00:23:32 Let him go. Every other year, draft a quarterback mid-round's if he gets hurt, but the kid is just pops on television. Here's his coach, Shane Steichen, on why he wants Anthony. Richardson, he wants him to run. People ask this too a lot. It's just like, hey, how are you going to limit the run game? And I kind of think, like, shoot, are you going to limit Steph Curry from, you know, shooting three-pointers?
Starting point is 00:23:56 Well, that's one of Anthony strengths, right? So we're not going to, you know, get away from that. That's what he does well. Yeah, I mean, Cam Newton, you got 11 years, but he won an MVP. He made Carolina relevant. He won a division. He got to a Super Bowl. I just think, you know, it's what makes Lamar Jackson,
Starting point is 00:24:16 Lamar Jackson is the ability to put complete and utter fear in defenses. Anthony Richardson is a bigger, stronger Lamar Jackson. So what if he lasts eight years? Just every other year, draft a quarterback, fourth round, you know, give him a good left tackling weapons, but this kid's too good not to let him run. If you haven't watched him yet and he didn't play much last year, you talk about somebody that just pops.
Starting point is 00:24:44 Anthony talked about his running style. My lair has always been one of my superpowers, you know, so trying to take that away from me. I don't think that's a good, good thing for this offense, you know. It's just more so me, you know, playing a little bit more smarter and learning how to take care of myself for my teammates. And, you know, and no one want to make the right play and know I want to, you know, try to get an extra few yards.
Starting point is 00:25:08 So, you know, don't take my legs away, but, you know, just be more smart. Yeah, he was way better than I thought from the pocket. A lot of that, Shane Steichen, and a lot of that's hard work. But I don't believe everybody's built to play 21 years. Like some guys in this league, Michael Vic, I remember the first time watching him thinking, not going to last long, it's going to be unbelievable. Cam Newton.
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Starting point is 00:26:13 You know, we want to keep our walk-ons You know, it's Wrong bite I would imagine If Sabin who has great pass rushes And corners Had a problem with neighbors Then you're going to have a problem
Starting point is 00:26:27 Because that's what Nick does better than anybody Is take out your best receiver Basically on the video Dable's talking everybody's like Oh hey, just talk to Sabin That's Nick Sabin He says it for without Emphasis. And neighbors had a monster game against him last year.
Starting point is 00:26:42 10 for 171 and a touchdown. I remember, remember Ty Hilton? Yeah. Okay, so I remember saying this years ago, I was at the other network. He played for like Florida Atlantic. And I watched highlights, and Sabin was just building his empire. And he gave Alabama problems. And you know Alabama looked at the film and said,
Starting point is 00:27:02 okay, we got to roll the coverage over on this kid. And it's like, I mean, if you're beaten and if Ty Why had a good career, If you're beating Nick down the field with those corners, FIU, Florida International, you're going to be hard to contain in the NFL. Listen, neighbors, they got the young kid from Tennessee, Hyatt. They got some talent, but it's young, and there's not enough of it.
Starting point is 00:27:24 The run game week. It's more about the O-line. The offensive line is the big problem. It's just tough for me to make a case. So now you don't have the back that can pop and give Daniel Jones second and short, third, and short. So it's going to be more pressure and more third and long,
Starting point is 00:27:37 because this O-line's not great, and the run game lost the guy. Remember, they made a move on the tight end from the Raiders, the guy. He was retired. Yeah, he just up and retired. Like, it's just things are not going well right now for the New York Giants. All right, let's move on to the Raiders. Gosh, this is freaking embarrassing. So they had training camp this week, and a seventh round rookie made a really dumb move.
Starting point is 00:27:58 So one of the fans for the Raiders brought a Kermit puppet dressed up as Patrick Mahomes and the Vegas rookie safety, Trey Taylor's his name, grabbed the puppet from the fan and went to the videotape, and here it is. Oh, boy. It's still early in the year. Stuff like that happens. You'll get handled when it gets handled.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Petrick County, like a ton of people send that, say, is I sure? Why is it? Not really, honestly. Everybody kind of just lets me play. I mean, they know how I am, so they don't need to send me anything to keep me motivated.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Oh, trouble. Well, Holmes is already aware of it. Antonio Pierce addressed the team instantly because this went viral on social media. Mahomes is getting asked about it. Pierce said that we nipped it in the bud. It's over with. Maybe from your side of the things.
Starting point is 00:28:48 You don't think the Chiefs are talking about this? I don't know, man. So we circled it on the calendar. Week 8, Mahomes and the Chiefs against the Raiders. Should be a fun one. Chiefs by 30? Just organizationally, are you surprised this came from the Raiders?
Starting point is 00:29:03 I mean, this is the seventh round rookie out of Air Force. He might not even make the team for all we know. He just did something dumb. He was all excited to be at camp. People are making fun of Mahomes. And, yeah, revenge should be pretty sweet there for Mahomes and the Chiefs. Final story is to the NBA where the Sixers added Paul George this offseason, biggest move in the league.
Starting point is 00:29:24 And they're confident they can match up with the Celtics next season. How confident will Darry say this in a recent radio appearance? I'm a big objective data guy and we're right there in the conversation with a very small number of teams you know top top three top two top four in the league someone there obviously you got to give the Celtics
Starting point is 00:29:45 their credit they won the title they're an excellent team they brought everybody back they're the target but you know we don't we don't feel like we give up anything to them and we're going to be coming to take the title away from them yeah Philadelphia talks a lot
Starting point is 00:30:00 Boston wins a lot. Big difference. I think they'll be really good, but should be noted, Embed has been the big disappointment in the Olympics. And he's never healthy in the playoffs. And Paul George is always something with that guy. I mean, listen, I don't think we can make a definitive statement on the Sixers until the playoffs are here and who's healthy, right?
Starting point is 00:30:20 I think that's completely fair. I know you want to play that game. I love Paul George and Maxie, but it's all in the health of the big guy. As the league gets bigger, is he available? Yeah, and for the Celtics, Porzingis with the surgery. He could be out for like five months. So there's a world where the Sixers are the number one seed, right? Now, they had home court advantage.
Starting point is 00:30:41 Now, they actually didn't. Two years ago, they could have taken out Philly. Could have taken out to Celtics. And, of course, Jason Tatum went nuclear in the fourth quarter. But it should be good. Sixers, Celtics, probably for the Eastern Conference title. Keep your eye on the Knicks. Keep your on the Knicks.
Starting point is 00:30:57 And also keep your eye on Indiana. I think Orlando. No. Well, I think Orlando's good, but I think Indiana is ahead of them. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News.
Starting point is 00:31:10 So you saw a little adabo Swinney. So college football, by the way, has the oldest demographic of all the sports outside of baseball. And baseball and college football, they just go kicking and screaming with any change. As people get older, studies show, they get more conservative, they want fewer changes. NIL was going to ruin college football. Ratings went up. Transfer Portal was going to ruin college football. Rating went up.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Pact 12 disbanding going to ruin college football. Last year, ratings went up. Take a deep breath. I remember years ago when Christian McCaffrey at Stanford, it was like a second-tier bull. I'm not going to plan that bowl game. I'm going to go to the NFL. Oh, Lord. Oh, Lord.
Starting point is 00:31:51 If you had to hear another just, it's like politics. The world's ending constantly. Democracy at stake. Christian McCaffrey had carried. read Stanford, no reason to play in like the Liberty Bowl. And so now here's the, I like Davoswini, but so here's the story apparently is that as part of the settlement, House versus the NCAA, schools can no longer be limited in the number of scholarships.
Starting point is 00:32:17 But to reduce expenses, because now teams can carry 80, 90, 100 players on scholarships, it's going to get read of walk-on programs. So a lot of these walk-ons, they're not going to be around college football. Dabo Sweeney was a walk-on at Alabama, so he has great fondness for them. But those kids can all go to FCS schools. Or maybe they earn a scholarship. But there's just walk-ons are not why we watch college football. But Dabo is worked all up over walk-ons, apparently, have a very murky, tenuous future.
Starting point is 00:32:54 The crazy thing is, is there's not many coaches that want to hunt. 105 scholarships. You know, we want to keep our walk-ons. You know, it's hard to manage, you know, that many guys. And when you have that many guys on scholarship, you think you've got transfers now. You wait at that number gets there. It's going to be a lot. So it's going to change a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Yeah, again, I think the walk-on programs, Nebraska was legendary for years. Clemson's got a good walk-on program. You know what? College football is going to be fine. And basically in the NCAA case, you cannot limit the number of scholarships a program is going to have. Like Dabo said, that doesn't mean you want 100 scholarships. Now the limit's 85. That's getting blown out.
Starting point is 00:33:39 I'm sure some schools will add players, but players also want to go where they can play. And if Georgia's got 105 players, you're not getting on the field unless you're great. They'll be carrying 13 corners, 12 wide receivers. Six are going to play. Four are going to play a lot. So it's just college football fans and baseball fans. Any change is met with resistance. And I get it.
Starting point is 00:34:05 I was watching a story on HBO last night. I'm watching this series on Charlie Hustle, Pete Rose. And one of the Reds former announcers said in Cincinnati, there's parts of Cincinnati that have lived there for 50 years. They've never left the house they grew up in. And that's like college football fans. It's very regional, very tribal. We don't want change.
Starting point is 00:34:24 All these changes, all I say. is the revenue go up and the ratings go up. And ratings are truth serum to the viability of any sport. When college basketballs went down for 15 years, the sport wasn't as viable. If the ratings are good, that means the public's captivated and interested, and nobody's watching for walk-ons. They can go play at Eastern Washington University. They can go play at an FCS school, get a scholarship, have a great time, and actually play.
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Starting point is 00:39:36 Listen to Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. Mark Havali is a senior writer, NFL for the Athletic, which I suggest you sign up for a subscription at the Athletic. If you love the NFL, there's just great insight. And Mark's been doing this a long time cover in the Pittsburgh. Steeleers and he is now joining us live. So I said earlier today that Russ and Tomlin are kind of in the same boat. They haven't felt relevant for years. Russ hasn't won two playoff games in a single season in a decade.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in a long time. I think it's seven years. They both have rings. They both have status. They're sitting on piles of money and fame, blah, blah, blah. But I do feel like they kind of need each other this year. Is that kind of a fair summation of what this Steeler season will look like? Yeah, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:40:33 I mean, I think Tomlin and Russell Wilson are one of the same, and I think that's why they get along so well. Russell Wilson even talked about how much he enjoys just talking and have conversations with Mike Tomlin. Now, that's not unusual. Mostly all the players come out and say that. But, yeah, definitely, I think they're in the same, I mean, for the most part, point of their career, right?
Starting point is 00:40:55 as Tomlin would say, there's more days behind him than there is in front of him. That same goes with Russell Wilson. That's one of the reasons why I think that Russell Wilson gets every shot in the world, plus about three more, before they even think about moving towards Justin Fields. I think they are very similar and what they want and how they approach things. And they're similar mindset, too. I mean, Russell, Sierra, Rich, he's a star. Pittsburgh's sort of a working class.
Starting point is 00:41:25 It's a blue-collar work ethic in the building. That's always been the Steelers. It's like Green Bay, but maybe even more conservative, more about defense. Will Russell be accepted in Pittsburgh? What do you make of so far in that kind of weird, interesting relationship? I'll put it this way. Whoever is Russell Wilson's PR agent needs a promotion and a raise because since the day he signed here, he's done everything perfectly right
Starting point is 00:41:53 in order to win over the fans and knowing what to say, knowing what to do, knowing what to act. Like, it's just been amazing. I mean, you see him at pirate games. You see him at NCAA tournament games. He's talking about Parvani Brothers sandwiches. So he's doing all he can to get to that point right now. But the bottom line is if he comes out week one, two, and three and doesn't play well, fans will turn on him in a second.
Starting point is 00:42:20 I mean, that's just how it is in Pittsburgh. It doesn't matter who it is. if you don't produce, we look somewhere else. And that's the case right now. I mean, we don't know what Russell Wilson can do. He's doing everything right perfectly to the T right now leading up to the point of getting on the field. And he hasn't gotten on the field up here on La Trobe quite yet.
Starting point is 00:42:39 But like I said, whoever his PR team is, he knows. He's smart. He knows how to get in the good graces of the fans. And I've never seen it as quickly of people gravitating to a guy like Russell Wilson and becoming one of their own, even though, like you said, he's Hollywood, he's a guy that's coming to the outside. Schedule is brutal in the last couple months,
Starting point is 00:43:02 but if you look at the early schedule, Mark, the games in which Pittsburgh is better are on the road. You want that. At Denver, at the Colts, at the Raiders, at the commanders. They also get the teams, they may be an underdog, the go-either-way games, they get them at home, chargers, cowboys, jets. My guess is
Starting point is 00:43:24 they start pretty well. I think Pittsburgh, when they get to the buy-in week nine, is a winning team. I think their defense is good enough to win close home games. You're smiling a little bit. I think they'll start well and end poorly. What's your take when you look at the schedule
Starting point is 00:43:42 in their current state? Yeah, I agree with you with the schedule. I mean, it's easier or early on where they can get some wins. but the problem is probably six out of the last seven years, they've got off to an unbelievably slow start. And they've had to make up for it in the back end of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:58 So, I mean, we said last year they had to get off to a fast start to have any chance because they had a late stretch of tough games. It didn't happen. So they put themselves behind the eight ball. So you're right. They do have winnable games early at home, not tough places to go to last year or two years ago, I think two years ago last year,
Starting point is 00:44:18 We went to Atlanta, and the Steelers went to Atlanta, and it was 80% Steelers fans. Yeah. I mean, I can see the same thing happening in Indianapolis again. So they do have that advantage, but you look at the history, and it's not good under Tomlin, at least over the last five, six, seven years of starting off quickly. It's going to be probably the determination factor of this team can compete or not. Yeah, and it's a good point. If you look at the offensive coaches in this league, like McVeigh, Shanahan,
Starting point is 00:44:48 Andy Reed, historically offensive coaches. They bring some new things under the table and start very quickly. The defensive coaches, Tomlin and Belichick, McDermott, tend to be better middle and late in the season, so that's a very good point. I want to talk Justin Fields. In Chicago, to the very end, despite not winning enough, people loved him. He's likable. He's one of the guys.
Starting point is 00:45:15 He's not, you know, he's authentic. he's getting a bunch of snaps now. What happens if he kind of blows everybody away in preseason? What's going to happen? Is a two-game losing streak? Is he coming on the field? I don't think so. I just don't see it right now.
Starting point is 00:45:32 First of all, I understand what you see from Justin Fields because you see it every single day, even out here in camp, the time he takes off to just be able to go talk to the fans and sign for the fans. That's very unusual, and everybody does love him. Yeah. But, you know, as for the locker room, it's all about who, wins and who gives them the best chance to put up numbers.
Starting point is 00:45:52 And I don't think there's much of an opportunity. I mean, barring Russell Wilson gets back here soon and he's supposed to, it was just a little tweak of a calf muscle that he was pushing a sled around during a running drill to start camp. I don't know why he's pushing a sled around doing running drills, but he should be back soon enough. You get to that point, you have to give him every opportunity to learn this offense, and push you forward here.
Starting point is 00:46:20 So I think it's very difficult for him to be able to overtake Russell Wilson unless, I mean, even if it's a catastrophic disaster to start this season, I think Russell Wilson is going to get the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. I don't see him as a playoff team in their division. Do you? Well, that depends. I mean, let's see what Baltimore does.
Starting point is 00:46:46 Let's see what a team like Cleveland does. I'm not quite sure where they are. They're going to have to win anywhere, at least a minimum of 10 games, right? If you don't get the 10 wins, you have no chance of winning the division here. They've changed so much stuff on offense that you don't know how quickly they're going to start on on offense. From a handful of coaches to Arthur Smith to rookie offensive linemen, to both quarterbacks, to the entire Y-Receiver crew other than George Pickens. They get those guys up to speed fast enough.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Tomlin's proved that the longer the season goes on, the better off that they get. But you're going to have to win. I mean, they beat Baltimore six out of seven games, right? They've handled Cincinnati without Joe Burrow for a couple of times. It's going to take a lot. They're going to have to be pretty much near perfect. But you're going to have to win 10-11 games, and that's really pushing in my estimation. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:43 Mark Caboli, senior writer, the Athletic, covers the Steelers. As always, my friend, I appreciate you giving us a few minutes and some insight to Pittsburgh. Thanks, man. All right, Mark Cabali, the athletic. Yeah, their schedule is really interesting. So I tend to look at it. And the games that are, you might be an underdog, they get a lot of those at home. Chargers, Cowboys, Jets, Ravens through Week 11.
Starting point is 00:48:09 They get a lot of those to the midway point. They get a lot of the tough games. They could be a dog at home. That helps. That's worth two or three points. The games, they should win, you know, facing Bo Nicks, the rookie quarterback week two, young Anthony Richardson week four, the Raiders week six, commanders week 10 rookie quarterback.
Starting point is 00:48:28 They get those on the road. So they'll be favored in those games. And those are the games you like to go, you know, if you're a favorite, why do you want to waste a home game as a six-point favorite? I don't, I kind of see Pittsburgh as nine and eight, but I do think they're going to pick up some wins. The Atlanta game's fascinating. They're an underdog.
Starting point is 00:48:48 That game, you know, Tomlin's teams have started slow, but they do generally play very well as a road. As you know, J. Mack, they're a very good road dog. So if you told me in that game early, I would probably take Pittsburgh plus two and a half because Kirk Cousins hasn't taken live snaps. Pittsburgh's defense has jelled for years, and Tomlin is a great road dog coach. Yeah, I'm looking at the depth chart for the Steelers. There's a chance they start two rookies on the offensive line. Well, one of them is great. Well, yeah, but come on.
Starting point is 00:49:26 There's a learning curve for that. I'm not feeling the Steelers team, dude. Seven wins, maybe? Seven, eight? Worst in the division? We agree. They have the worst quarterback in the division, right? Well, I trust Russell Wilson in a big spot over to Sean Watson.
Starting point is 00:49:44 I do. I think Russell was B-ish last year. I don't trust a Sean at all. 13 in three years for Russ. I know. I'm not, but you heard what Mark said. He's been perfect.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Fans, relationships, players. You kind of got to be. He's guys have an option. By the way, here's Tomlin earlier this week on the quarterback situation. Just lost up all this season. Nothing has changed. How do you plan on working those? reps with them and Jeff.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Very carefully. You guys think I'm actually back myself into a corner, so you guys are going to ask me daily about the rep allocations. No way. I've been on the job too long for that. We'll see. I think they'll be okay. But that division is a handful.
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