The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 2 - Cooper Flagg

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

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Yes, it's a beautiful Monday morning. And Colin Cowherd is fishing somewhere with beautiful blue waters. Jason McIntyre in, joined by Alex Curry. Alex's wearing her Dodger blue, even though it wasn't a great weekend for the Dodgers. It was all around. It's okay, though. It's going to be fun. It was great, you know, and you got to put mad respect.

You talked about it last hour, Bryce Harper's comment on only losers complain about what the Dodgers doing. And then they came out and they took the series against the Dodgers. That's what real competitors do. So respect. We got Jordan Shultz coming up soon. Folks, this was a first for me in the morning meeting. You know, we got the great morning meeting with our staff. And I said, guys, do we have any Cowboys material?

Because I have what I think in my head, it's an amazing line. about the Cowboys. But we don't have any Cowboys talk today. It's fine. Jordan Schultz coming up. A lot of Shedor Sanders stuff. It is smokescreen season in the NFL draft. I'll just preface it with that. Some Jalen Milro news. Yeah, my guy, I see you out there, Bear Felica.

I know you don't love him. That's fine. We'll do that coming up. But first, we need to start this hour with a quick brief Cooper Flagg discussion. Okay? I'll preface this. I am extremely bullish on Cooper Flags and NBA prospects. I think he's going to be a superstar. Okay.

Not everybody on staff feels the same way. And I saw a lot of weird dislike for Cooper Flagg Saturday night online and in person. Guys I'm hanging out with, he's a little overrated. Okay. So let's start with Saturday night. Flagg, 27 points, seven boards, five assists, three blocks. He leads Duke in practically every single statistical category that matters. He's a six, nine, 18-year-old freshman.

And if you remember a few weeks ago on the show, you know, Cal, her keeps pushing this, I see Jason Tatum in Cooper Flag, and I get that. It's not a bad comparison. Duke guys, people love the cross-cultural, you know, black, white, com. I get all that. And I see the Tatum, I see a little bit of Tatum. Other people I've seen AK-47, Andre Kirillenko, I'm sure people are scoffing at that, but like a five-tool guy who can do it all. So remember, I asked Chat GPT, what's the best comp for Cooper Flagg, given size, length, measurement, scoring, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Chad GPT, which is, according to Michael Scott,

you know, if chat GPT existed when the office did, never wrong. Kevin Garnett is the best comparison for Cooper Flagg. And I love that comparison personally. But remember, when KG came out, he was wiry, he was straight high school to, I think he was Farragut Academy in Chicago, to the pros. And Kevin Garnett was like a young, skinny guy, kind of like one of those animals that's just born

and is like struggling to find its footing, and it took him a couple years and then he was a beast. I think Cooper Flag is going to have a more stronger impact in his rookie year for sure than KG. I do believe the ceiling is massive for Cooper Flagg. Now, interesting question, I'm going to pose to you the audience.

Okay? If I told you over under one and a half career MVP's for Cooper Flag, you're going over or you going under? One and a half. Steve Nash has two. Shaq. I think has one.

Kobe should have more. I'm going the over on Cooper Flagg, guys. Over one and a half MVP's. I'm probably going irrational here, but I want to remind you, you could go find this on YouTube. Last summer, USA Basketball Camp. Yes, J. Mack, it was a scrimmage.

Settle down. Okay? Cooper Flag's leading like the B team against the starters. And here, oh, we got the footage here. So if you, that play that we just read, gosh, the staff is good. Okay. Cooper Flag brings the ball the court. Six-nine. And he's being guarded full court by Drew Holiday, an elite defender,

a superstar, a superstar, a superstar, wins a title with the bucks, goes to the Celtics, wins a time, like he's really, really good. Cooper Flagg brings it up against Drew Holliday's pressure. He gets the switch onto Anthony Davis. Okay, Anthony Davis, a great defender. Look at AD. Here we go. Pull up, what? Three, right in his eye. That's Kevin Garnett type. I'm sorry, Kevin Durant type stuff. guys don't sleep on this Cooper flag as a one loss I need to remind you again Zion Williamson who was a freak coming out of Duke

generational talent okay he ain't sniffing no MVP he's eating his way out of the league he cannot handle New Orleans he can't stay healthy Cooper flag is going to be a better pro than Zion now Zion's had some immense highs

where he was scoring at a shack-like rate in the paint he just can't sustain it I think Cooper flag's going to be better he's 18 years old He was 17 earlier in the season when he was dropping 20 young folks. At 17. And I guess we got a John Shire bite

from the loss. Don't let this loss for Cooper Flagg to find him. You go from some of the most special moments in the tournament to the most heartbreaking loss. And I'm not about to feel sorry for one second.

These guys have done an incredible job. It's heartbreaking. It's incredibly disappointing. There's a lot of pain that comes with us. That's what the tournament is all about. I didn't like that he faded away. He did that a couple times in the final 10 minutes against the Houston pressure. That's fine.

I'll leave you with two notes. Okay? Last week, I floated the idea if the Charlotte Hornets win the lottery. You draft Cooper flag and you trade lamello ball. I'm getting murdered on YouTube all weekend in the comment section. This guy don't know ball. Lamello's amazing. I'm just telling you, that's an oil and water mix.

Lamello's, I got to get mine kind of guy. He's a great passer, but he don't like to pass. He's like a Monta Ellis, right? Just a bucket getter. Now he's a bigger version. I think you've got to move off him and make Cooper Flagg your guy. And the final note as to why I think we're feeling some pushback, and I'm going to just wedge this one in.

Cooper Flagg's the best white American basketball prospect since Larry Bird. It's been about 40 years, okay? All the Euros dominating, they're not Americans. Cooper Flag isn't American. We're in an error right now, very divisive in this country. A lot of people don't like the NBA for a certain reason. I think Cooper Fly is going to have that kind of positive impact on the NBA next season. All right, let's get to our guest, Jordan Schultz, NFL Fox Insider, Mr. NFL.

Jordan, I know you're a big hoops fan. Come on, you played, we've talked, you've played some hoops. I tried to get you all in Men's League team. Give me your quick dime store thoughts on Cooper Flag before we get to the NFL. I think he is as good a prospect as we've seen to come out in the last decade. Absolutely love him. It's frustrating to see Duke lose because this was the best team they've had. I think they were even better than the Zion team that didn't go to the Final Four.

But I don't see any weakness. You mentioned he reclassified. He really should be in high school. I don't see any weakness with him. Love him. And he is as good of can't miss as you can find. All right. Let's pivot to the NFL where you just are on such a heater breaking news left and right.

So, Jordan, I know your best friends with Jamar Chase now and a lot of the players around the league. I see on the IG taking photos of them. I got to start with Shadur Sanders. And listen, we know it is smokescreen season. What the hell's going on with Shadur Sanders? I saw a Tennessee report that, and I've never seen this wording. We have mutually agreed to cancel our whatever it was, the Tennessee Titans and Shored. We've mutually agreed.

to not meet. Like, what's happening? What does that mean, Jay Mack? Yeah. All that means is, well, two things. One is that Cam Ward is probably going to go number one, which we've been saying for the last month or so. Yep.

And secondly, it means that Shador Sanders actually had a fantastic pro day. And why would they cancel? Because they saw everything they needed to see, not just Tennessee, but I think everyone else did. So if you look at where his ceiling is, I think it's potentially two or three. with Cleveland and New York, and then you have New Orleans at 9, and then you have Pittsburgh at 21. So there are some scenarios in which he doesn't go in the top five.

That's possible. But a top-level executive who was in Boulder for the Pro Day told me that what he saw from Shador, J-Mack, was not just the accuracy and the catchability, but the velocity on the football. And why that matters is because he has been typecasted, fair or not, throughout this process, as not having maybe the strongest NFL arm. But what we saw in Boulder was an added velocity, 5, 10%, and that's going to help him when it comes to the draft process. All right, so Jordan, I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist at large,

but when it comes to the NFL draft, I, for some reason, get sucked into this nonsense. So remember, a couple months ago, Dion was asked, hey, are you going to try to, like, steer your guy? Right. Your son somewhere the way Elway steered John and Eli, Manning also, his family kind of steered him. Are we going to see that?

And Dion's like, yeah, I don't want him playing for certain teams. And now we haven't heard any. That's all of a sudden backed off. And you combined that with Shadur allegedly, he's not a great athlete. I keep hearing this. I don't get it. If he wanted to disprove everybody, wouldn't he just do the vertical and the three cone and run all that stuff?

Be like, look, I'm an athlete. Is he trying to steer himself to a certain team by not giving away everything and showing everybody what he's got? No, because I think a lot of guys now, J-MAC, are not doing all those measurements. And for him, for Shador specifically, I would push back and say, actually, he's a good athlete. He's just not a great runner. He's fast. He's not electric.

He can maneuver the pocket enough, but he is a pocket guy. So there are certain things that Shador does that Cam doesn't do and vice versa. And you can even put Jackson Dart, Millrow, Tyler Shuck, in the way. that conversation. All these guys have their attributes really well that they do, and then they have weaknesses. This is not anywhere near the type of class that we saw last year where you had one, two, three with Caleb and Daniels and May and even Pennix, McCarthy, and Knicks. This is not that level class. But Chador Sanders is going to be a starting caliber, high-end quarterback, I believe, and why he's not doing the 40 and the cone drills, that's up to interpretation. But I think a big

part of it is because he recognizes that what he does best isn't really going to show when it comes to the drills. He is a pocket guy. He throws a really accurate ball. Someone told me, an executive told me it's basically like a 20-yard handoff. That's his game. And I think when it comes to Chador at the next level, he's probably ready to go now more so than people realize because he's played so much football at Jackson and at Colorado. And because his game really is a pro-level pocket game. All right, Jordan. This is a little tougher.

And again, and nobody wants to admit this, okay? You and I, every NFL team, every front office, we have to be real. The three best quarterbacks in the NFL right now, none of them went top five. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson. None of them went top five. It is a factual statement to say nobody in the NFL knows what the hell they're doing when drafting a quarterback. We saw Maserati Mitch because he was a great athlete. Oh, we got to take him.

We got to take him a Mazurati, I love it. How about Zach Wilson? Sorry, not Mazuramich. He's not a Maserati. We saw the Mormon Mahomes. Zach Wilson just crush it apart. Oh, look at it.

He throws a beautiful ball. We got sucked into taking him second overall. Nobody knows what they're doing. There's a world where Shadour isn't awesome. He's like a Drew Brees. I don't. He's accurate and makes every pass. Like, can we just admit that we don't know what we're doing at quarterback when it comes

to the NFL? Is that okay? Nobody knows less than me when it comes to evaluating. quarterbacks. This is a 50-50 at best, at best, J-MAC situation. And one of the reasons I think Shador is so interesting is because there has been so much pushback on whether or not he's going to be the next superstar quarterback, the next star quarterback, and because he has the bloodlines with Dion and obviously everything that goes with it. You could also say, and I would look at, I know we want to talk about Joe Milton, look at what New England just did, okay, because they just

traded Joe Milton a few days ago. It was a pretty big deal for that to happen right before the draft. And the reason I bring that up goes back to your question. When it comes to evaluating quarterbacks, 50-50 at best, the best solution to it, whether it's Shador, Jackson Dart, any of these guys, is to get multiple quarterbacks. You go back to what Philly did when they had Carson Wins. They draft Jalen Hertz, Washington when they had RG3, they got Kirk Cousins. And even now, if you Think about Dallas, they have Dak Prescott, they just got Joe Milton. That is actually ironic because Elliot Wolf, who's a de facto GM in New England, his dad is Ron Wolf. He drafted Brett Favre.

And obviously his theory was let me get a quarterback, a new quarterback every year basically as a backup. This is the quarterback business. The right move is to get as many of these guys as possible, acquire as much talent at the hardest position to evaluate, not only in football, but in all of pro sports, that's the solution. So I actually gave Dallas a lot of credit, and I think a lot of these teams that are drafting quarterbacks, when they already have a quarterback, that's the right move. And so when it comes to whoever gets Sanders or Dart or Milrow,

it would behoove them, in my opinion, to get another version, another guy, or to have a veteran on the roster, so that you can absolutely give yourself the best possible, I would say, scenario at getting this thing right. percent agree. All right, let's go to, uh, it was a news blip over the weekend, didn't get much attention, but to a guy who's been championing this dude, it got a lot in my mind. Jalen Morrow has accepted an invite to the green room in Green Bay. Hmm. Jordan, we haven't heard Jack Squat about Jalen Morrow in two months.

It's all Jackson Darts rising up. Hey, look out. He could go top 10. I keep coming back to this, Jordan. We saw a full season of Shadour. We saw a full season of Milro. I know it was up. and down at times. But those guys best is freaking phenomenal. And I am of the belief that Jaila Millrow had some kind of promise in the top 20 or he would not be going to the green room to maybe get the Will Levis treatment. Remember a year ago this time, Jordan, no count as a kid say, Will Levis, top five. He could go number three. Remember that? That was a real thing. Yeah. He fell to the second round. Two years ago, sorry. Yeah, it's not only Levis. It's Matt Corral.

It's Malik Willis. We've had a lot of these quarterbacks with a lot of hype, and then they don't end up going where they potentially thought they would. I don't know where Jaylon Mill is going to get drafted. What I do know about Jaylon Milro is he is the best athlete, arguably, in the draft. He has a special, special combination of size, speed, athleticism running basically a 4-3 at 220 pounds. I think what the big question is, is what's his upside as a passer? Now, what he does really well and why he's going to go probably higher than most people think, whether it's top 20, I'm not sure, is he has a very, very good deep ball.

He showcased that the last two years. The NFL in many ways has transitioned to not being so much deep ball oriented. But Milro has a very strong arm, a very good deep ball, and as one executive told me, he eats up zone coverage. So a lot of these clubs now are running zone defense. All of that is going to help Jaylon Milrow when it comes to the NFL. draft. Now, you mentioned the Green Room, him going to Green Bay. I think that surprised some people, but he has had some phenomenal private workouts that I think are going to ultimately elevate him

when it comes to draft weekend. He's one of those guys that we can be looking back in three or four years and saying, how could he have not been a top 10 pick? Or we could look back and say, that's why he wasn't a top 10 pick. I happen to believe it's the former. I think Jaylon Milrow is abundantly talented. I think the Alabama offense, in many ways, as good as it was, didn't showcase all the things he did, and he didn't have the elite wide receivers that that offense has had over the last several years. So I really liked him, and I think he's going to go higher than most people think. What did you say some of this stuff is situational? If Lamar Jackson, who fell to 32, right, it doesn't go to the rave. It's a great organization. If he goes to the grounds or something,

like, he ain't going to be Lamar Jackson. I'm sorry. That's just not how it works. And so, I worry if Mill Road goes to like Pittsburgh, which just doesn't know what to do with quarterbacks. I don't know. So much of it is fit. But I do want to say, this Jackson Dart stuff, guys, can we just stop? You may like him. You may know his agent.

I don't hate Jackson Dart. I don't know anything about him. I never talked to anyone about it. You're not a fan. I think he was great in college, but I don't think he's first round pick material. Do you? So, okay, so coming out of FC, no.

But I think what he did in Oxford at Ole Miss really put him in that. conversation. Now, I'm not ready to stamp him as a first rounder, but what I am ready to do is say that the league has finally come around on Dart enough that there is a very possible scenario where he ends up going in the first and ends up being the third quarterback drafted after the top two. So I think Jackson Dart, you mentioned scenario, you mentioned Lamar having to go to somewhere like the Ravens, if Jackson Dart goes to a system where he can sit a year and really learn an NFL offense.

Look at JJ McCarthy last year. Now he's going to have an opportunity to start. Obviously, he had the two knee surgeries, but Dart has a live arm. He's a very good athlete, and I think his game is very conducive to the NFL. What does that mean? That means he's really good in the short and intermediate game.

He may not have the arm strength as some of these other guys coming out, but what he does have is a very, very good ball when it comes to that 15, 20-yard that and in. And that, as I said earlier, is in many ways where the NFL has gone. So I think right now I would say, I'm not ready to stamp them, like I said, as a first rounder. But I think there's a really good chance and a much better chance now than a month ago,

even coming out of India, the combine, that Jackson-Darden ends up going in the first round. All right. Just two more quick ones. Number one, what do you make of this? And again, I probably shouldn't even address it, but this Dallas could be getting Scheduer Sanders and trade DAC to the Browns. I don't know why I'm seeing it. I probably shouldn't even ask that.

It's such a lowest common denominator question. But can you just squash it unless you think there's any credence at all? No, I'll squash it because even if Dallas or the Browns wanted that, the money that DAC is going to earn this year, it really doesn't work out for where Cleveland's at on the cap, having come off the Deshawn contract. And no, Dallas just doesn't want to trade them. DAC is going to be the future of that franchise.

They have like six quarterbacks on that roster. We talked about Joe Milne earlier. But I don't see any scenario. And I asked around on this over the week. weekend over the last week as that rumor started to speculate or percolate. I don't see any scenario where DAC is traded especially to the Brown side. I want your hottest take that you've heard. It could be off the record.

It could be speculative. It could be wild. We're doing wacky Monday here. Anything goes. I'll tell you mine is that the Raiders, everybody's looking at this Geno Smith deal. If you look closely, that's not a serious. He's our guy. I wonder if Shedor's there at 6.

I believe we're looking at a Matt Flynn, Russell Wilson situation in Seattle, where they signed Flynn, he's their guy, and then they get Russell Wilson, he beats him out. I would keep an eye on Shador at 6. That's my only hot take, but I would college basketball and girls volleyball all weekend. I need your hottest take. New stuff, nothing that you've put out there on social yet. Okay. Wow.

Well, let me address the Raiders quick because I do think there was a big contingent in that building that believes and wants Ascad. Genti, the running back out of Boise State at six. He's visiting there today. I think hottest take, though. Okay, here's my hottest take. Omariot Hampton, out of North Carolina, is not only the second running back taken,

but will be an all-pro-calibre player within the next two to three years and is a superstar in the making. Omariott Hampton at a North Carolina is a do-everything running back, super special, can flat-out catch the football all, 50, 60 catches he's going to have in year one. He is a 300-touch guy.

He's an absolute workhorse. Does not need to come off the field. Love me, some Omarion Hampton. Fantasy star, Jay Mack. Get him next year while you can. And one more for you. Ameca. Obuga, and I didn't pronounce that correctly.

But Ameca out of Ohio State is going to be potentially underdrafted, and that's going to be a big mistake. Dr. Brian Hartline, the Ohio Statewide receiver coach yesterday, said that if you go on and watch the tape, And he said everyone from Marvin Harrison all the way down. Chris Oliva, all these guys. He said, Emeka is one of these special, special players, where even if his numbers or his testing isn't off the charts,

his production will be. So those are my two big, bold statements. But we're still a few weeks away, Jay Matt. Yeah, we got some time. By the way, I like the Cowboys to look at Golden or Emeka for a wide receiver opposite CV Lamb. You've got to get Dax some help. Anyway, Jordan Schultz, NFL insider.

I mean, listen, the guy's crushing it. And he's a big deal. Thanks a lot, Jordan. Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for the kind of words, brother. Yeah, yeah. Alex, I know you're excited about the NFL draft. Like, I just get geeked about this stuff.

And I know Schultz a little bit, so it's a lot of fun. What I love most is, like, you kind of have to, like, remember the human factor of it. Like, this is a night where, like, dreams come true. And when you watch a lot of these, a lot of the first round picks that are there, and they get to show them and their families are there around them, it's like you see tears. You see emotion. You see it's a life-changing. moment. And like, yeah, we can do all these mock drafts. We can predict who we think is going to go where.

We know nothing. We know nothing. And then one pick changes. Everything else is the domino effect. So it's just so much fun to follow and watch. All right. Coming up next, Alex is going to talk to us about the Wild Wild West. Oh my gosh. Westra Conference standing after the Lakers is crazy. So that's next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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Shohei Otani threw a 26 pitch bullpen session on Saturday morning. The timeline for Otani's return as a pitcher is still up in the air, but Shohei throwing his first bullpen session since February 25th is a really good sign. A manager Dave Roberts says he expects Otani to be on a seven-day program as he progresses. Now, J-Mack, you asked me earlier, am I a patient person? This is where you are patient, right? have to remember, Otani's coming off his second Tommy John-ish surgery. They're not calling it a Tommy John surgery, but it was still a UCL repair tear. And I don't have high expectations of a rush

back. The Dodgers are stacked at the pitching position. This is something that they struggled with towards the end of last season with injuries, starting bullpen, clothes, everything. They had holes. And so that was the focus is off season. Even with them losing Blake Snell going on the 15 day IEL this weekend with shoulder inflammation. They still have Roki Sasaki, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Tyler Glass Now, Dustin May Kurshaw hasn't even pitched yet. So they have so many high quality arms that they can turn to. And we've even seen them like pull guys early and have bullpen games and do great. Shohei Otani will pitch again this season, but there's no need to rush him right now.

There is, not even if there's a chance that he could re-injure or have a step back. My mind, I'm thinking, like, All-Star Break, like maybe, like,

midway through the season, all-star break, which is great for the down-the-stretch push when they make that playoff push into the postseason. I guess that the only comp and in the NFL, they don't do this,

you don't need to save. It's a short season. In the NBA, I remember early in the season, Steph Curry was playing fewer minutes. Okay. We're like saving him. like, we're not playing you over 30 minutes or 32 or whatever it was.

LeBron's logging like 3840. So the Warriors saved him and now Curry's having a great second half of the season. Do you think they're just saving? Like, hey, it's a marathon, guys. No. If Otani is ready, he's going to be out there. Like, I watched him, obviously, when he first came into Major League Baseball with the Angels. And they did a great job of, we've never seen this before.

You tell us what works for you. And he is so disciplined and so. great with managing his time that when he is ready, he is going to get out there and pitch. He loves being a two-way player. He's a three-time unanimous MVP, two of those being as a two-way player. If he is ready and when he is ready, he will be out there and he will be pitching. He does a great job of managing himself to make sure he doesn't overdo it and he can still be great, which he is as a two-time MVP, as a two-way player, three obviously overall. He's going to be fine. You think it's like a It's starter, middle relief, clothes, like, or all of the above, or whatever.

For Otani? Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no. He's going to be a starter. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, no, no. He's going to be a starter. Isn't that so taxing, though? No, it's what he's on his entire life.

I know, but he also, like... He's having two surgeries. It's like... It's not Tony, though. Like, if anyone can do it, it's going to be him. So maybe I'm being too cautious, but, like, yeah. That's the one guy you do not want to lose. Blitz, now 15-day, fine, fine.

Yeah. You don't need anything to happen in the franchise. No, he's going to be fine. Even when he hurt his elbow for the first Tommy, right before he got the first Tommy John surgery, he's still hitting. He came out and hit a home run the next day. Like, he's going to be okay. And he is going to tell you if he can pitch it, if he's going to be already. And you have to trust him.

He is the only one that knows what he can do because he's the only one that's done it. But I would say midseason, and you have to remember, you didn't have a spring training, so it's going to be only like a couple innings. Like, it's not, like they got to stretch him out. But it's going to be great because he should be at full strength and, you know, full depth hopefully come the postseason, which is insane. Okay. Colorado held its football showcase over the weekend. Shador Sanders threw in front of scouts and had Travis Hunter out there catching passes

after the event. Coach Prime had a lot to say about his two stars. It's tremendous, but one is a little different than the other because one is a lot more criticized and scrutinized than others. they should be going one, too. That's the way I feel. And I'm going to stand by that. I think they're the two best players in this draft.

But the surest bets in this draft are those two young men. And I just thought of a stabber when I said that. Okay. So safest, surest. You can't really predict how a player is going to transition from college to the NFL level until they're there. Everything's different. It's faster. The guys are bigger.

The plays are different. You're not going to be with your, they both. look at Dion as a father figure, so it's a different coaching situations. I guess the question is, can he be successful? Right? Do you see Shador Sanders being successful in the NFL? Now, I don't think he's, I do not think he's going to be on the Mahomes and Josh Allen level, but like, can he be like a Baker Mayfield? Can he be a Brock Purdy? Can he win games? Can he make your team better? I think that's the question you really need to be asking yourself. Yeah, it feels like Hunter for sure is going to be a slam down. Oh, he's going to be incredible. As a receiver.

Some of the measurables and the numbers. So he could be, like, elite at wide receiver within a couple years. Shadour's a little different. Like you said, and Jordan Shultz said, where you go matters so much. Yes. Like, right now, New York Giants are a dumpster fire. Now, they have a great coach who fixed Josh Allen in Buffalo. I don't know if the infrastructure elsewhere in the Giants organization is good.

The line states. Do the Raiders have that? They've got, like, a new, I think someone in the morning meeting this morning compared the Raiders to this year or last year's, Washington commanders. Interesting. I was like, that's kind of spicy. They got a full new everything.

Everything. And it's like if Shudu's there. And it's experience new, though. So, surest, I mean, Genti's really good. Yeah. I think there's a couple defenders. Mason Graham from Michigan, I think it's really good. But I don't totally think Dion's wrong here.

I think both of those players are going to be good. But this is also very on brand for Dion. He's going to hype up his guys. Just like it's very on brand for Shador to have the confidence that he's been having in the interviews that we've been hearing. Like all all the talk of it. his draft stock dropping and people didn't like his interviews. It's like, what do you expect?

You know who you're getting. You know who his father is. This is the family brand. And don't you want a confident leader on your team? I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And it's going to be interesting to see where he goes. Because, again, I think you guys were talking about in a couple different interviews. Like, people are talking to talk, but it also could be a smokescreen.

Like, you don't know what teams are thinking. And a lot of teams beat quarterbacks. And it's not a super strong quarterback draft. Yeah. All right, moving on to NBA last week. Russell Westbrook filed a three-point shooter as time expired, costing the Nuggets a win. And the nuggets have it one cents. Now, despite Nigelow Yokic putting up crazy numbers in the losses.

Last night, Denver lost 125 to 120 to the Pacers and listened to Westbrook after the game. You guys need to clean this right now and get right from the end of the regular season. I'm not sure to be honest. Your coach just mentioned the urgency of a situation. trying to avoid the play in right now. Do you feel like in this locker there's a sense of urgency? I don't know, man.

You know, not sure. This feels like I showed up so I don't get fined situation, media scrum. But this is the worst time of year to go on a losing streak, especially with how close the West is right now, right?

Nuggets are currently in fourth, a game and a half back from the Lakers and third. but a game and a half ahead of Clippers, Warriors, Tipperhools, Grizzlies, who all have the exact same record. Like, anything can happen this last stretch of the regular season. Like, a two-loss skid, like, you could be in the play-in. Like, you have to win. And they have, what, Kings, Grizzlies, Rockets, their last three games.

Should win two of those. So they haven't had What's his name? The guard. Jamal Murray for a couple games. So that hurts. That's big. But on Westbrook.

So Alex and I are in the South Bay. Yeah. I got to be careful. We've seen a lot of them. Listen, Westbrook's family I hear is amazing. They do great things in the community. They are awesome. And Russell Westbrook's had a great career.

He's a Hall of Fame. I'm just saying, I don't trust him down the stretch. I'm sorry. The decision-making, the inability to shoot, the questionable calls. And now this being a jerk with the media, he hasn't met the media since he lost them the game last week. And so he comes back and says, I'm not sure. Yeah.

Come on, man. Just man up. Come on. Answer the damn questions. Like, if you're paid millions of dollars to play basketball. Do not get me started on Apple. Step up in front of the camera and accept defeat. And I played like crap and I stunk.

It was a rough day. Not my day. We've all been there. Yeah. I might have a terrible show tomorrow. This shows been great. Tomorrow I might be terrible, and I'll own it. But, like, I don't know.

I'm not picking beef with the Westbrook people because I know he's sensitive. No. This is just disappointing. But as a veteran on a team to come in with experience, this is not setting a good example. This is not the attitude you want to have. This is not the mindset you should have down the stretch. This isn't the energy, even just watching his interview, his energy, his body language, the tone. Players love him.

Everybody loves him. And I get it. I'm sure. phenomenal player, talent. I get that. I just... It's just... It's the raw...

It's the worst time of the year to be having a skit like this. Yeah, Alex Story with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. I don't like to be mean. I swear, I'm a nice guy.

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Just keep it real. I'm not a big hockey guy, okay? I played a lot of NHL, the Sega game, NHL Hockey 94, back in the day when I was a kid. I played all the time. I knew the top players. But as you get older, you know, you're wifey, you got the kids, you're coaching, all this stuff.

It's busy. For instance, I don't know if I should admit this, but, you know, my son's about to go into high school. It's crazy to think. And we met with a guidance counselor recently to, like, who can walk you through, picking your classes. That stuff didn't happen when I was a kid. It's like, it's real. It's tough. It's competitive

in high school now to get to college. So you've got to sacrifice some stuff, so I sacrifice hockey. I just don't have the bandwidth for it. You know, it's a college football, NFL, that NBA and college hoops, and then it's playoffs for football, then it's March Madness, and then it's playoffs for basketball, and it's baseball.

It's just too much. But over the weekend, I did notice that Alex Ovechkin eclipsed Wayne Gretzky's all-time scoring mark in hockey for goals. most goals scored. Awesome record. Now, I did know this was coming up because the NHL, listen closely, have been championing this for weeks.

Somebody on our staff had a great line today. They were like, the hockey ethos is brotherhood. Everybody wraps their arms around a good story. It's positive. We love it. Ovech. Everybody was rooting for him. Wayne Gretzky, as Alex said earlier, was literally traveling with Ovechkin.

So they could monitor. I'm sure there's going to be like a Netflix show. or something here in the coming months. So positive, okay? Very positive. We don't see that in every sport. I got to choose my words carefully, I'm told, is a sensitive subject for some leagues and so forth.

But why don't we see this in basketball? Why don't we? I've been banging this drum for months, guys. I love what the NHL has done. Remember the nation's hockey also? star game that went down. That was so exciting. It was a big positive story. Everybody loved it. Great ratings. Why aren't we seeing this in the NBA? The night Yokic scored 61 and had a triple double. There's video of a one-named former NBA star who said, oh, I'm better than him.

I would turn him into Slovenian barbecue chicken. I would give him 40. His brothers would want to fight me. what are you doing? We got another guy as LeBron is having the greatest season any 40-year-old basketball players ever had. Carl Malone had a good one. LeBron's had been better. Trying to make it all about him. If he put his hands on me, I would have punched him.

We would have thrown fists. Like, what are we doing? Why aren't we celebrating the greatness that's happening in the NBA? You see, and I know you're looking at it. I know you're watching at him. So you're seeing what's happening in the NHL. It's a great story, man. everybody's applauding this.

Why don't we see that in the NBA? It should be happening. This is an amazing time to be an NBA fan. Phenomenal. And then you've got these big-name dudes on TV. Oh, he's overrated. Do we have to see another highlight? What are we doing?

Why is this happening? It's just really frustrating as a big hoops fan to see this like disdain for greatness. And it's all like insecure men. bashing the current era so they can hype up their era as if they were, they had to be better. Like, I don't see why we do this. We're better. Like, again, I've said this many times, guys.

Look at airplanes. Airplanes are way better than they were 20, 30, 40 years ago, okay? Technology to the moon, okay? Like literally almost everything is better now than it was 30, 40 years ago. Now, I know Jabbar was out there following LeBron when he was breaking his record. Hello, Kareem was a 70s star. I know he was good in the 80s too, but his prime was in the 70s. Jabar does not fall into those guys who are yelling stuff on TV every day that's negative.

Now, I've said my part. I don't want to be too negative, but just food for thought, Adam Silver. Call him in a room, be like, guys, let me put together a reel of you guys just hating on our stars who are freaking good. Can we be positive? There's a lot to champion. And I know, Jay, hey, you've been back. dragging on some people to show. Well, yeah, Luca had a horrible game last Thursday.

I get it. I called him out. I said he wasn't good. It was worst game as a Laker. You know what? He was awesome on Sunday. You got to champion that. So like, let's try to keep it positive, shall we? Is that asking for too much? Now that I'm off my soapbox and we're near the end of the hour, I'm sorry, Ali. Alex is over there. And I can see Alex out of the corner of my eyes working. I'm like, damn it.

Somebody's going to say something to me after. Let me just change the subject really quick. Okay. So I saw a movie on the plane. What movie? A complete unknown. Timothy Shalameh. Oh, I haven't seen it yet.

No, not yet. So good. Yeah. Let me just say. He was nominated. Sometimes you see like, you know, Taylor Swift, if you guys were neighbors, you'd be tight. I feel like if Timothy Shalamee moved in a money, we would be boys. He's a big sports guy.

He is. He is cool. And like, he is the coolest. Yeah, I know he's a little younger than me, but still, like, I got a love to him. He's rad. I'm a fan. The movie is excellent. Great style, too.

Him and Kendrick Lamar have the same stylist. And it's like chef's kiss. It's beautiful. All right. So hopefully I'm back for the final hour. Alex has a lot of good stuff in case they kick me out of here. But we're going to do John Shire and Duke. Can they recover?

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