The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Cowboys, Rivers, Giants

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

The Cowboys are looking to move up in the draft Doc Rivers is defending himself  The Giants are not picking up Daniel Jones' 5th year option   Guest: Kurt WarnerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, sometimes I think you were saying it yesterday, Joy, Joy Taylor, joining me for our radio audience, that if we had three really good quarterbacks, then everybody else would, feel much bigger. It's like in baseball, if you're a team with a good pitching staff and you go out and you get an ace, like the Mets go get like Max Scherzer, it makes, then your ace go to two,

your two go to a three, and it makes your staff feel so much stronger once you get the star, and then, and that's kind of how the draft would be. If we had like, C.J. Stroud was in the draft Ohio State. He would go number one. And then let's say next year, Bryce Young is at, at

think he's available next year. And he goes number two. Well, then Aidan Hutchison is a three. You're like, the highest graded college player. Everybody feels better. Right. And then, then all of a sudden, and we just don't have that.

So next year, we will. We have, Ohio State's got a very good young quarterback. The Bryce Young, Alabama, somebody else will emerge. So when you don't have a star, it feels like we have a bunch of number two pitchers on a pitching staff. All guys capable of, you know, elevating the trajectory of a team, certainly not the league.

You wouldn't trust them in a big spot in the postseason. But if you had three quarterbacks, it would feel completely different. And by the way, of those three, maybe only one hits. But that's our issue here is that we just don't have. It is a year in which I do think Malik Willis can play. I don't know when it'll be good, but it feels like he can play. But it really, you know, stars matter everywhere. Everywhere.

That's why Arizona signing Kyler Murray, even though they didn't like all that stuff. And without this, this is a, if this was a pitching staff, it would be a bunch of number two and three starters. You put an ace in here, feel totally different. Well, even if you look at just the top 10, the amount of teams that need a quarterback, if there was three solid quarterbacks, if this was a two, a borough, Justin Herbert, Jacksonville would trade down. Because they had Trevor Lawrence. So let's say we had, let's say we had a great quarterback, like, like, not an Andrew Luck may be great.

At three. Like, nobody knew what Tua was going to be. So you have Borough, Tua, Herbert. So Jacksonville would trade down. What would Detroit do? That would be great drama. So that would be great drama for us. What would the Texans do?

I think they would probably. What was the Giants do? Giants would absolutely draft. They would not give Daniel Jones on May 2nd. They're not picking up his option already. It's your option. Okay. So Giants would get one.

Carolina. They would get one. The Falcons. They would, so you would have, if you had two quarterbacks. Let's give some scarcity to it. It would be a crazy night tonight. But instead, without the quarterback, and we know that's increasingly the most important position, most everybody wants to move down.

If we had two high-level quarterbacks in the draft. It would be wild because the movement that would happen in the top 10 would be insane. The Giants, Panthers, Falcons, four teams all need one. So it would be And who's to say the Texans and the Lions wouldn't take one? Yeah, yeah. I think Jared Goff's fine. Their defense is atrocious.

So Cowboys yesterday, Stephen Jones has talked about the Cowboys are reportedly the one team looking to move up. Stephen Jones talked about how good is the first round. How many first round picks are in his draft? Do we have on our board? We're going to be

somewhere between what, 14 and 16, somewhere in there? Is that a normal number? Say it's lower than normal? Yeah, it is. It's usually 17, 18, 19. This year it's 13, 14, 15. So the Cowboys are telling you we'd like to move up.

But what that tells you is, they want to get in the top 14 because they see those as first round players. They need a receiver and a tackle. Very good drafts for both. So I don't think they're going to get the first or second best wide receiver. But Dallas is telling you, you know, we would love, is Charles Cross, I don't think he'll be available. I think Giants will pick him up.

Will Charles Cross be available at the 13th pick? Now, Houston, I just looked this up this morning, Houston has the 13th pick. They're looking to move down. So one's in the NFC, one's in the AFC. I could see the Cowboys going to the Houston Texans at 13. They're in a rebuild and saying, hey, we'll give you this, we'll give you that, give us your 13th pick. And you can either get like the number two or three receiver or the number three or

for tackle. And the Cowboys need both, but really need a tackle. They've been leaning on Tyron Smith at Left Tackle for years, and he's not going to give you a full schedule. And Jerry Jones, by the way, in a starless draft, would love to be the talk of the draft if he's the only team moving up. He would love that. It's very on brand.

You know, one of my criticisms through the years on the Cowboys has been, I think they're too insular. They like their picks. too much. I think if you look at the best teams in the league, they draft well. You know, Green Bay drafts well. San Francisco, the Rams draft well. Baltimore drafts well. Steelers draft well. But they're not, they're always willing to go out on the market. Steelers, let's go get Minka Fitzpatrick. Let's go get Mitch Trebisky. They'll acknowledge we don't do everything. Dallas tends to love themselves and love their picks. And so

I think it's been a little bit of a problem. I think you want some external voices. but I think it validates Jerry, it validates the family, and so that's what they do. I don't love that. Rams have acknowledged, you know, the guy, the quarterback we drafted, Jared Goff, we're paying him too much. Let's give up a bunch of picks and money for Matt Stafford. Jalen Ramsey's better than any corner we have. Let's go get it.

Bobby Wagner, we're kind of weak at linebacker. Our picks have been kind of middling. Let's go get him. That's the way to do it to me. Draft well and acknowledge, we're not experts. Some guys, you know, we missed on some positions. Let's go fill them. So we'll see what they do.

It would be very on brand. I would say that if the Cowboys moved up. And some of this stuff, you know, there's another team out there that I think is actually kind of interesting. And they're not a good team. And they're never interesting, the Detroit Lions. So I've never in my life thought, I'm fascinated with the Detroit Lions. And they were only 3 and 13 last year.

But I think they won in their last six games. They went 3 in 3. And as we said, they outplayed the Rams for our first half. They outplayed Baltimore. They were about as compelling as a three-win team can be. And they were three-and-14 or whatever their record was. They won three of their last six. So for me, they've actually in the last couple of years done a really good job in the draft.

They got a great tight end from Iowa, great left tackle, D'Andre Swift, Amaran St. Brown, and Jared Goff's fine. You go win games with Jared Goff if you protect him. I would go all defense. have the number two pick in the draft. I think they, and they also have the last pick in the first round. So if I was Detroit, and they have a pretty

decent second round pick at the top. If I was Detroit, I would just go edge, corner, linebacker. I would go all defense. So Detroit's a team at the number two spot. They would love to get Aidan Hutchison from Michigan. So it's very

possible Detroit is the story of the night if the Michigan boy goes to the Detroit Lions. That would be wonderful for their brand, and he's a really good player. So Detroit has not owned a lot of drafts in my lifetime. The Matt Stafford draft, they were the story of the first round. I think if Hutchison drops to number two, they've done very well. Pinoe Sewell was a great pick last year.

Ambron St. Brown, two pack 12 guys, excellent picks. They got the tied end running back two. So it's time to fix the defense. They gave up 69 touchdown passes. They were in shootouts all year. They outplayed the Rams and the Ravens and lost because they just couldn't. They just couldn't make stops. So the Dan Campbell stuff, you know, a little cheesy.

It's not my cup of tea. But it was kind of interesting. Kind of interesting. So the Jets could win the night if they make the deal with Debo. The Cowboys could win the night if they move up. And I think Detroit could have Hutchison falls to them. And tomorrow morning we're saying like, hey, The Detroit Lions, they crushed it.

So Kurt Warner, pro football Hall of Famer, you know his story. They just made a movie on the Mike Silverbook on his story, by the way. One of nine players to win multiple MVP awards. So, you know, a lot of people, you're a great example. All kids don't grow at the same speed. Some physically, you know, girls tend to peak earlier than boys. Some boy, I grew seven inches my last year of high school. And some kids emotionally.

They don't get the coaching in high school. Do you remember, because your story is well chronicle, do you remember watching a draft and thinking, I'm better than a lot of these guys? Do you remember that? Come on, Colin. We all remember that. You know, I remember when I was up for the draft

and just thinking to myself, I should be the first quarterback picked. I know what's inside. I know what I'm capable of. even though I hadn't put it on the football field. So without a doubt, I mean, that's the part of all of us as competitors, the ego that we all have is, yeah, you know, I remember these years I was playing arena football and just thinking to myself, man, I'm better than that guy.

Why can't I get that opportunity? So, yeah, I remember those moments. I remember dreaming about having my name on the card as the number one pick in the draft. I remember all of those things. Well, you have on YouTube a series of videos you break down. the top quarterback prospects. Here's my knock on Kenny Pickett. There's a ball security issue, the small hands issue.

Jared Goff had the same issue, and he's had some ball security issues. So it does worry me. He doesn't have your arm. He doesn't have a push the ball down the field arm. He is like Daniel Jones. He's a little athletic in space. Straight line speed's pretty good. I don't see a ton of it.

He's now an older player. So, you know, these 23-year-old kids, you know, they're playing against 20-year-olds. I just, I guess, I guess my concern is, Kurt, I don't see a lot of, the ceiling feels low for me on Kenny Pickett. Tell me I'm wrong. Well, I mean, I can't tell you you're wrong. All I can say is that none of us really know a guy's ceiling until they get to the next level. And, you know, you could use me as an example. I think you could use Tom Brady as an example of guys in college that were okay. and the reason they became great is because once they were pushed to another level, the speed was heightened. They were in an environment where they were surrounded by great talent.

They took it to the next level. All we can do is look at guys in college and go, were they a good or great college player? And Kenny Pickett had a great year last year. And he had a great year because he made different kinds of throws. He stepped up in the moment. They asked him to carry that team with his right arm, and he did it game after game after game. He found ways to make plays when there wasn't plays there. I think we have to give guys the benefit of the doubt that I've seen guys just like you have,

Colin, that are great college players. And they never become anything in the NFL. You know, for whatever reason, they couldn't, you know, translate the speed. They didn't have the ability to grow as the, the level got higher. And then we've seen guys on the other side of it. But I think you have to take guys in college and go, okay, what did they do in college? They were really good in college. And we've got to say, well, because they were really good and they did this consistently and they did it for the course of an entire season, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt that if they did it there,

the things that can translate, can translate to the NFL. And most importantly, they can grow with the game because all the great ones grow with the game. None of them come from college and are the same guy in the pros that they were in college and they're great at the NFL level. You just don't have it. You've got to grow into the position. And Kenny Pickett had a really, really good year that makes me say the way people are talking about him, I'm really surprised that people aren't talking more highly of him because when every time I pop on the tape, I see a better player than I thought I was going to see based off of my, you know, my first break. breakdown of the player. So so many good things about him, and I understand what you're saying,

but I don't believe he's limited physically to the point of other guys that I've seen to say, oh, he can't make those throws, or I really worry about whether he can make those throws. I think he can make every throw that he has to make at the NFL level. So the kid from Ole Miss, Lane Kiffin's quarterback, Matt Coral, I saw him playing high school out in Los Angeles, big arm, he can sling it, he's smaller. When you broke down the tape, Any concerns? What did you see? A lot of people think he could maybe be a, if somebody reaches, they're going to reach for a quarterback. I mean, that's the position now, maybe a wide receiver. What do you see from the kid at Ole Miss? Matt Coral? I saw a guy, so first of all, you know, again, I break down the quarterback position sometimes different than other people.

I like to look at technique, because I think technique, if you have good technique, it can translate to any level when you're throwing a football. First thing is I really like the compact delivery that Matt has. That allows him to be really, really efficient and successful on the quicker throws. When you watched him at Ole Miss, they did a lot of the RPO's. RPO's can be really tough on quarterbacks because oftentimes you don't get into technique, and if your arm motion is too long, you're going to miss a lot of throws that a lot of people look and go, that's easy. I thought Matt was really, really good at that stuff.

I thought he was really good at the shorter stuff. stuff in between the numbers or in between the hashes in college. He was really good. Where I thought he struggled, and when I watched him on tape, everybody tells me that he's got this big cannon arm, I felt like he really struggled on throws down the field. Those second level throws, which to me are what's a difference maker at the NFL level. If you can't make the 15 to 35-yard throws consistently,

you're never going to be great at the NFL level. You've got to be able to be really good at those things. And I thought he really struggled with his accuracy when he had to drive the football down the field and, you know, put a little different pace on the football. So that's my big concern. Can he manage things? Can he make, you know, do some things in a unique offense? Yeah, I think he can. But, and again, we have to look at the offense and say they didn't ask him to do certain things.

But I worry about that second level ability of him at the NFL level because, again, I don't think you could be a franchise. guy. I don't think you can be a difference maker if you can't consistently make those kind of throws. I want to ask you about the Kyler Murray situation in Arizona because you have history there. I think you still live down there. I always kind of fall to it's the most important position. He's a special player. Not everybody can be Dak Prescott. And I always felt, you know, Kyler would be a holdout guy. Aaron Rogers is a lot of drama. And I just think certain players, you know, either they're sensitive or they feel like they're getting beat up in the press. And Aaron and Kider, you know, there's a little bit of drama.

I would pay both. I would just pay both. I mean, you are a prime example. You literally change franchises. You could be the greatest edge rusher. I mean, Khalil Mack was great for the Bears. Didn't win them Super Bowls. So what did you make of it, though, as somebody who's played there, you know the organization, it got really messy.

can all that stuff just be brushed aside once they sign the contract no hurt feelings can it kind of disappear into the ether well i think it's hard i think you do remember different things i think depending on you know the the relationship um you know but between the walls and in the locker room and between behind closed doors will tell a lot you know that sometimes things can get out in the open and you have to say what you have to say, you have to do what you have to do from either side, and I get that. But I think a lot would depend on what the relationship was like before that. And some people might say, well, we'll never get to this point if the relationship was really good before that. But I think it's a different age and a different time, and we try to make different statements in different ways now than maybe we did

when I was playing. I think the toughest part of this situation, and you make a great point, Colin, is that Kyler Murray is gifted. He's gifted in ways that are rare. He's a gifted thrower of the football. And I don't say that lightly. You know, he can do things with the football that's very, very rare. He's great and has been great in the regular season. So every year he's talked about in the MVP conversation for a while.

He's in the Pro Bowl. And so to your point, you almost have to. to pay him because you see what he's capable of. You see that he does things that other guys can't do. I think what the Cardinals are looking for is, but we need that extra. We need that commitment that's a little bit further. So when it comes time in the playoffs, and it's not just about you being a gifted passer or you being a guy that can run around and make guys miss, when you're playing against the best teams in the league, you have to be one of the best at your position, not one of the best talents, not one of the most gifted throwers, but one of the best at your position in playing

the position. And I think that's what the Cardinals want. Kyler's not quite there yet, as great as he's been in the regular season, he's not quite there to get over the hump. And that's where the dilemma comes in is that Kyler says, look what I've done. And I'm in the MVP conversation. I deserve $40 million a year. And the Cardinals are just saying, well, we kind of hold that, you know, that level for the that have shown that they can compete in the playoffs at the highest level and for championships. And so I understand both sides 100%. But the bottom line here is, as you said, you got to pay Tyler Murray because he's gifted and he's different.

And he brings something different. And you hope you're going to get that other side of him. But you know what you're going to get on a yearly basis. And that's going to be really good football in the regular season, probably get you into the playoffs every year. And now we need to get that extra. But you're not going to find what Kyler Murray is very often. And so I'm with you that eventually this is going to get done.

He's going to stay in Arizona. And the hope is going to be that they grow together to the point where they can compete for championships. Kurt Warner, good seeing you, NFL Network tonight, starts 8 Eastern 5 Pacific. That's where we leave first round NFL draft in Las Vegas. They move it around now, which is just a great idea. Good seeing you, Kurt. You too, my man. Take care.

All right. So here we are. NFL draft. Not a ton of buzz, but I think it'll probably get interesting numbers. I think people are going to watch it. Got a couple NBA playoff games tonight. Sixers, boy, if Doc Rivers loses this, it's just going to be cats and dogs living together. You know, people just – I always laugh at this stuff. We glamorize NBA players, right? So they're the league.

And then the minute you lose a playoff series, we don't blame the player. It's the coach. It's like, folks, Katie couldn't get good shot. some of it's KD. Kyrie didn't elevate KD. Is that just the coach? I'm not saying the coach. Steve Nash had a great series.

But we know it's a players league. Boy, they don't treat coaches with a ton of respect. So if Doc Rivers loses his lead, he doesn't have Thibel in Canada because he didn't Vax. James Hardin's eroding fast, but they had to get Ben Simmons out of the locker room and Embedes hurt. Like there's reason. There's a difference between excuses and reasons.

And Philadelphia is kind of. falling apart a little bit. Hardin's getting old and M. B's hurt and The Bble's not available. It's not going to be an easy series. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Heard to listen live or on demand

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and you come out and say, can I defend myself on this? Then people attack your defense. And it just happens all the time. So you can do one or two things. Just let people beat up on you and let them control the narrative or you can come out and defend yourself.

So Doc Rivers, you know, there's this thing that Doc Rivers has lost a lot of series leading three to one. And so Doc yesterday is like, Guys, let me defend myself here, and here's Doc Rivers. It's easy to use me as an example, but I wish I would tell the whole story with me. All right? My Orlando team is the H.C.

No one gives me credit for getting up against the Pistons who won the title. That was an FACC. I want you to go back and look at that roster. I dare you go back and look at that roster, and you would say, not a hell of a coaching job. Really? the Clipper team that we lost 3-1. Chris Paul didn't play in the first two games

and was playing on one leg. And we didn't have home court. And then the last one, to me, is the one we blew. That's the one I said, we blew that. Now, it was in the bubble, and anything could happen in the bubble. There's no home court. Game 7 would have been in L.A. So he's right.

That Orlando team that got in with Doc Rivers was an eight-seat. Tracy McGrady was their star. TeamAC will never want a playoff series. That's all Doc's fault. He never want a playoff series as a star. I think later in his career, he was on a bench for like a Spurs team. Never want to playoff series. How have they done since he left? I'm just asking. The Chris Paul team that they lost two. Okay, Chris Paul, you remember it, got a lot of criticism in L.A. How did Blake Griffin and D' Andre Jordan's careers go when Chris left them? Because Chris is Paul, Chris Paul's career is great today. How are their careers?

Yeah, Chris Paul is hurt. You're seeing how good Phoenix is when Devin Booker's hurt. Like when you lose a star, it's hard unless you have Janice. So they lost Chris Paul in that series, first two games. And then he was playing on one leg. Okay, it happens. We all know Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. They were really highly overvalued stars in the NBA.

And then he loses in the bubble. Folks, do you remember the bubble team of the Clippers? They almost had a mutiny. They didn't want to come. Paul George said, I'm getting depressed. It's a mental health issue. I mean, we give Ben Simmons a year on a mental health issue. We wouldn't get Paul George in a pandemic three weeks.

They almost revolted. The Clippers did not want to go to the bubble. And the bubble was weird. The Milwaukee Bucks in the weaker East lost in the second round. None of the veteran teams except the Lakers, who by the way are coached by Frank Vocal, you don't like him either. They won the title.

Like he's defending himself. He's right. Orlando, what have they done since he left? What's Blake done without Chris Paul? And the bubble was odd. You know, I've said this to my friends who are Laker fans. AD and LeBron got a four-month sabbatical in the pandemic. That's why they won because neither can stay healthy anymore.

Like that was the peak of the Lakers. It'll never get better and never has. Now they're not even a playoff team. So I think Doc Rivers can coach. I do believe Philadelphia will win this series, but he's got a player that can't play road games in Canada because he wouldn't get the Vax. And Embed's now hurt. Those are real reasons. You know, the Hardin thing, say what you want about it, but they had to get Ben Simmons out of the room. They just had to get him out of the organization.

They did. And they won the trade. But, you know, Harden and getting past people anymore. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. That is funny.

Are you better off just not defending yourself? Well, I always think people should tell their own stories. And so, you know, the Dana White way to do it, UFC, he'll go and attack you. And that's his thing. Like, you're going to attack me. I'm going to go right. Like, a lot of people are very aggressive. I'm not saying it's right or wrong.

That's his style. But ESPN for years and years where they were getting attacked would not defend themselves. And it let other people. Jay Billis goes after the NCAA. NCAA. NCAA never defends themselves. Well, then you let Jay Billis kind of control the message. You let somebody else control ESPN's message. So my

takeaway has always been, I'll defend myself if I think it's serious. By and large, 90% of the criticism doesn't matter. Yeah, I mean, I think if it's something serious, if it's something that's related to your character. Right. Moral perpetuity. Right. Then you should. Fortitude. Yeah. So. He's not wrong, though, by the way. I mean, his arguments

are all legitimate. Well, no, I mean, because a lot of times when it comes to these big sweeping accusations that we make of people, we tend to not look at the nuance of why those things happened and just the results. And if it's directed towards one person, you know, like it keeps happening with one individual person, then it's very easy to just put it on that person as to one is responsible. What if the Pelicans come back and beat the Sons? Are we going to acknowledge that Devin Booker missed three games?

Because Chris Paul missed two games played on one leg. Booker's just got a hamstring issue. But if they lost this series, would we not acknowledge, yeah, the Devin Booker injury was substantial. Yes, I think it would change the conversation around Devin Booker substantially as well. Tai Lu lost the playing games. Is it going to be acknowledged Paul George got COVID? Yes. So I mean, you have to. But people want to attach the story when they want to make excuses for people and they don't want to attach the story when they want to be accusatory of someone. I mean, Ty Lou did not have co-ire Paul George. And it's like

I'm not saying Doc Rivers is a perfect coach. No. I am saying. that it's fair that he is putting some nuance to the conversation, which is, you know, a lot for people to handle. So the addition of Russell Westbrook this season did not go as planned for the Lakers, and now fingers are being pointed at who's at fault for the move. Reportedly, the Lakers' front office is internally blaming LeBron A.D. and pressure from Clutch Sports for the acquisition of Westbrook. So now, why does this get out? Because you know Clutch Sports, isn't leaking it. No, of course not.

So the Lakers are leaking. This is coming from the Lakers, obviously. I mean, look, the Lakers probably should have laid quiet until the end of the NBA playoffs and focus on hiring their next coach, which would be, what, six in the last how many years? I've lost count. You're absolutely right about what you said earlier. If you change the name of the Lakers to any other organization, we would not be taking them seriously as contenders or even be talking about them really.

because it's chaos. Is Clutch and LeBron responsible for the five years of chaos that existed before LeBron came, or we're just going to dismiss that? That's also Clutch's fault? Well, no, I mean, when you go back and look at Kobe Bryant's last several years, we talk about that 60-point game. They were a mess. Yeah, let's have an honest conversation about the Lakers.

What's happening with the Lakers in the situation that they're in is not the responsibility of LeBron James. I believe Kobe's last five years. Could be wrong. You can double check it. Call me out if I'm wrong. but I believe the last five years with Kobe, they had first or second worst winning percentage in the league.

They were a bad team for five years before LeBron got there. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. They were bad. It was a terrible situation, the Lakers. They were irrelevant. They really actually were. Once Kobe retired,

there was nothing happening with the Lakers that was worth discussing. Now, do I think that LeBron forced some moves that maybe didn't pan out? Is there blame on both sides for the Westbrook acquisition? I think LeBron approved it. Maybe the organization wanted him. Maybe they didn't. But here's the problem. Nobody knows who's in charge over there.

So the fact that you're pointing fingers at LeBron and clutch means you don't make the decisions for the Lakers, whoever this individual or group is. Because if you're saying that it's LeBron's fault, well, then LeBron's running the team. Eric Pinkis of Bleacher Report, I think that's where he works, had mentioned in his story that I read this morning,

that LeBron didn't really have as much leverage as you think, because he had a two-year deal. So it's like it's not like he could go anywhere. What it tells you is Rob Polinka sort of catered to LeBron and didn't go with his natural instincts, which is go get buddy healed. For the record. So then he's not in charge then. It was not only was the buddy healed deal, I don't know if it was agreed upon, but I was talking to somebody who recently said they had a buddy healed Lakers jersey made.

And then at the end, Rob Polinka didn't believe in his instincts. Right. And he, so, so the LeBron camp's going to say, we're not GM here. We had a two-year deal. We couldn't leave. We didn't have as much leverage as you guys think. Now, Lakers will say it's LeBron. We're trying to appease it.

You know, it's funny what happened though yesterday. Jimmy Johnson was on the show, the Hall of Fame football coach, and he's a great drafter. He created the draft chart used today, but he acknowledged. I said, you know, do you ever have any mistakes in the draft? And what did he say? He said, when I had Dan Marino in Miami, I was kind of reaching to appeal to my star. That's what the Lakers did. They were trying to appeal or appease LeBron and they made the move. So do I think LeBron had influence and had an opinion? But in the end, if you're a GM, you've got to go with

your instincts. And nobody in the world thought Westbrook could play off ball. That's not what he is. So that's a, you got to take some heat if you're the Lakers. Like ultimately, you run the team. It's your. Right. Like, ultimately, it was your decision. Whether, even if LeBron did point, push for Westbrook. Let's say he did, which we don't know if it was 100% true, but let's say he did say, I absolutely want Westbrook. You run the team. It is your choice to lean into what LeBron wants. And to your point, he didn't have leverage to not play. And we know he doesn't want to leave Los Angeles. So in the end, I still lay the responsibility for this roster and the situation at the feet of the Lakers. Not to mention the fact that Polinka fired Vogel, remember the

whole magic thing happened, which, by the way, was also not on LeBron. The first, you fired Luke Walton, brought in Frank Vogel, because you were talking to Tyloo. You didn't want to give Tyloo the deal that he deserved as the level of coach that he is. You didn't want to allow him freedom to hire his own coaches, which is also your responsibility if you're the Lakers.

So I'm not saying there's not blame to go around here, but when you're pointing fingers at LeBron and clutch, by the way, you just won a championship two years ago because of LeBron and AD. Someone has to take responsibility for the situation. Someone. And if it's LeBron, then LeBron is the one running the Lakers. And I don't want to hear anything from anyone else in the Lakers.

But that's not the situation. Also, you still need to hire a head coach. So the Cowboys have the 24th pick in the draft tonight, but they could be looking to make a move from that spot. Dallas is reportedly planning on moving up, specifically to the top 14 or so. And Stephen Jones talked this week about how the organization has set up their first round grades this year. How many first round picks were in his draft?

do we have on our board? We're going to be somewhere between what, 14 and 16, somewhere in there? Is that a normal number? Say it's lower than normal. Well, we know that Jerry likes to make a splash in the draft. He does. They have actually, they really actually need to build through their draft this year. The moves that they've made this offseason are quite questionable.

So I would not be surprised if they do. try and do this. The fact that they've said that they're going to try and do it, but also they need to fill some holes. Green Bay and Dallas have had bad off seasons. I don't think that's disputable. So they need to have a nice draft. Yes. Now, also as just a note for the NFC, is the Giants have declined to pick up Daniel Jones' fifth year option. Okay, so the Giants rightfully so. This is the right move are telling you this is the final year of Daniel Jones. They will get a quarterback. Next year. Barring anything unforeseen. Yes. He takes a massive step up. year. Cool. You still, you can still sign him, but they're not going to risk that. He was a reach at

number six. We felt he was a reach. He actually had a good first game, if I recall, against Tampa, but it's just limitations, ball security issues, too many mistakes. Also, the Giants have been a mess. Like, he's not been great, but he's not had a whole lot to work with, particularly on the offensive line. So Debo Samuel once out of San Francisco and the New York Jets have emerged as the most likely destination. The Jets are reportedly the front runners to trade for Debo. We talked about this pretty much as soon as this news dropped that the Jets was the place that makes the most sense. Niners GM John Lynch said that he can't imagine wanting to move on from Debo, but if they do make a trade, it will come at a high cost. The Dolphins traded five picks for Tyreek Hill, so you

would imagine it would be somewhere in that range. And New York is said to be willing to include the 10th overall pick tonight in any deal. So the news for this could happen very quickly. I was kind of, I was obviously excited that Tyree kill. was going to Miami. But I was kind of astonished that five picks were involved in the trade. I'm not going to lie. Tyree Kill is an incredible player, but five picks is a high price to pay for any position, particularly a dependent position. But this is what's happened with wide receivers now. This is just the way that the league is trending.

And I do believe we have a bit of a wide receiver bubble. Yes. I do. I think they're being paid too. I mean, again, they're in the $20 million range. we're getting to the $30 million range. That is a lot of less. Well, the question I have with Debo, and I'm very curious as to how this is all kind of falling apart in San Francisco,

and Debo's been pretty vocal about it, so he obviously has a side of the story that he's probably waiting to tell until after he's no longer there, which is the right decision. But if he doesn't want to be used as the hybrid player that he has been used at and the effectiveness, then I can't pay you as the top player not, not a quarterback. Right. Like he's not a top five receiver.

Absolutely not. He's a great receiver, but what makes him in the range of someone that you would pay the most in the league that's not a quarterback is the hybrid nature of your play. That's right. So if he wants to remove that from his job duties, which is completely understandable,

because it's a lot of physicality. But you're not getting the big check. I think it changes things. So I'm very curious to see what the situation is with that wherever he ends up. stuff joy with the news well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line

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and now they can't move him. They don't want to get locked in. Now, if he's great this year, franchise tag him, but this is the right move. He was a reach at number six. My question about Daniel Jones was always this. he had a great offensive coach at Duke. And in three years, completed 59% of his throws.

When they drafted him, I said, you know, I don't see a number six pick here. But, you know, in the end, when he cut down on turnovers, he's okay, but he's not accurate enough. He's fairly athletic. There's no reason to commit, overly commit to a player who has kind of been pedestrian. You know, I've always had my rule. You've got to be a top 12 quarterback in the NFL. historically, especially now as it to become a quarterback, more quarterback-centric league, you've got to be a top 12 quarterback in the league to win a Super Bowl.

I've always argued Derek Carr is in that. Derek Carr is sort of the cutoff. I think he's in the 10-11 area. My staff yesterday, sadly, doesn't even think he should be in the league. The point being is Daniel's not close to that. I don't even think he's close to 15. So what's the point? So if you have a top 12 guy, don't pick up the phone.

Anything after 12, if you get calls, pick the phone up. And so GMs and owners in his league, they want to pick a quarterback and not have to pick a phone up for 10 years to deal with this position. And so I was told, and I think I think I said this on the air, you know, Daibald didn't see him as the future. He just got out of a relationship with Josh Allen. I'm sorry. You drive a Mercedes for your entire life and then you get, you know, the prelude. It doesn't quite feel the same pulling into the driveway. So he went from Josh Allen.

He wasn't a fan of this. The Maras, though, felt like, you know, this is our guy. If it was a strong quarterback draft, the Giants would absolutely pick a quarterback. Absolutely pick a quarterback. They can't. So, you know, listen, if Daniel does well, you franchise tag him. But this is the right move. You just can't keep.

And by the way, this was my thing on Baker. Once you pick up the fifth year option, you get into a space. where you're paying him $18, 19 million. I think he would have made $23 million. You're not going to be able to move Daniel Jones next year for $23 million. You're stuck with him. And then you're looking for a quarterback. And then you bring a quarterback in.

You can't get rid of Daniel Jones. You're paying him. This is the right move. And I think once you hired Brian Dable, who had just worked with Josh Allen, you can't go from that to this. There's no way that Brian Dable is like, I can make that okay. I mean, literally, you know, Daniel Jones, the issue is the way to make it work is virtually no turnovers because he's not talented enough

like a Josh Allen or Mahomes to have turnovers he's not going to be a perfect quarterback right like so he wasn't at college with a great offensive coach so this is the right move uh i think both the jets and the giants uh especially the giants clean up your offensive line uh get that thing because you're drafting the quarterback next year figure out the offense your defensive line's actually pretty good. I kind of like your defensive line. Get the offense figured out for next year. It's the same way I feel about the Atlanta Falcons tonight. You got this great tight end, Calvin Ridley back after next year because of the gambling stuff. Go get Garrett Wilson of Ohio State. So when you get a quarterback, he's got two good receivers, a Hall of Fame level

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