The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 2 - Culture, AFC, WRs

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

Kevin Durant isn't good for a team's culture Looking at the AFC and the problems with the Jets Wide receivers have become more important in the NFL   Guest: Eric ManginiSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Very interesting time for your New York Jets, not just because of your quarterback's dating life. There's a lot of hope there. How do you feel this morning about your Jets? Optimism, baby. Give me the over on the Jets win total, Colin. Let's pound it. What is it? I think it's six and a half. We're a 7 or an 8 win team. That's a very good offense. They'll be explosive. The defense will see.

Listen, I'll tell you right now, they're better than the Miami Dolphins. You can take that to the bank. I'm not a too-a-believer. I know you are. To a bank. I'll take it to every bank. So Gorin Dragich recently spent time. He's an NBA veteran, 36-year-old guy.

He's been around the league forever, Goran Dragich. International player of some esteem. Then he came to the NBA. Very, very nice player. And he was recently with Brooklyn. And he was quoted saying yesterday, Brooklyn was difficult because the focus was on individuals and not the team. And this is not pick on Kevin Durant week, but teams he has been on, he is often the focus of it. He struggled to get along with Westbrook or Draymond or Steve Kerr.

He and Hardin didn't click according to reports. Hardin was rolling his eyes at KD at the end. You know, I can do an entire segment about the Warriors and not talk about Steph Curry. You cannot do any story about any team KD is on and not talk KD. And I was thinking about this this morning. We expect, and this is the way sports works, we expect the star to drive the culture. Steph drives the culture. Janus's hard work.

Duncan, magic. Go look at the best player. We expect them to drive the culture. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Duane Wade in Miami. They drove it. Duane Wade played defense, hard worker, easy to coach, gets along well with others, totally intense. That describes Miami's culture. Steph Curry, smart, selfless, flashy, that distraught, you know, coachable, plays well with others.

Improving defender really works at it even though he's flawed. That describes Golden State's culture. Stars in the NBA and NFL. but largely the NBA. They drive the culture. They unite. There's an argument to be made that KD. Sort of disrupts it.

Maybe not on purpose. Probably not on purpose. But he went to three high schools. He's got a nomad quality. Even though you feel like you have to appeal and appease him, often you never quite feel like you get the buy-in from him to you. He's not stitched into the fabric. He's leaning in, not all the way in.

foot in the pool, not totally in the pool. That's disruptive to a culture. And that argument, I think, has been made by people quietly for years because people like him. We want our stars to drive the culture. Brady did it in New England. Mahomes now, Josh Allen, doing it. What happens when your star potentially, possibly, repeatedly disrupts it? Lee Jenkins was on years ago.

He's now an executive in the NBA, but at the time he was a writer. This was before KD had won his second title with the Warriors. And he was asked about, and this was when everything was going well, do you think KD could eventually leave Golden State? Durant's still a searcher. He's still somebody who seeks things out. When I think about LeBron, and they've sort of traveled a bit of a similar course, where it took them a while to win that first, when they had to go somewhere,

where it was a little more favorable, right? The odds were a little bit more favorable for them. They learn how to win somewhere. I think he's still the kind of person, just knowing him a little bit and the way he sort of seeks out different challenges. He could seek out something different at some point. And he did. It's not a criticism. And I don't think he's actively trying to do it.

We all have different personalities. But Goran Dragich experienced it. He doesn't drive the culture. It becomes about KD. Appealing to him, appeasing him. Sometimes he's sensitive, walking on eggshells. It's not necessarily a criticism. It is a reality.

We expect our stars to drive the culture. Is there an argument to be made that sometimes KD disrupts it? Eric Mangini does not disrupt our culture. Fox Sports, three rings in New England. Let me ask you about this because McIntyre loves the Jets and you used to coach. We don't need to go too deep on this. But what was your reaction to the Zach Wilson dating life in the the news cycle. What was your reaction to it? Yeah, I hated it. I don't like it at all.

I live that, that headline-driven life for a while, and I get it. It's New York, and they're going to blow everything up. But you want your offseason to be quiet. You want your quarterback to be talked about for all the hard work that he's doing, the work that he's doing with the other wide receivers, the way that he's improved. And it's not like, He's coming off of an impressive rookie season. If anything, you're concerned about his completion percentage. You're concerned about his quarterback rating. You're concerned about the sacks, the lack of touchdowns.

And then the biggest story is a story that nobody wants to see. Yeah. I think McIntyre is very optimistic. Yeah. So do I, by the way. Let me ask you about another team you are with. Nikiel Harry, first round receiver. Just swap for a seventh round.

pick. It was a bust. 36 games, 57 receptions. It was a bust. I will make the argument that every great coach has a hole. Every great coach has a hole. And the hole for Bill Belichick is the inability to land skill people. They don't have a pro-bowler skill person since they drafted Gronk. And I can argue that a lot of that was Brady elevating Gronk, although Gronks special. When you look at the Nikiel Harry situation, that's go to one, that one specifically, Eric. What do you make of it? Well, I was in Cleveland with Bill when he drafted the last wide receiver of his head coaching tenure in the first round, which was Derek Alexander.

And Derek had a good career, not a great career, but he put up solid numbers. I do think there is something to what you're saying, where different coaches have strengths at different positions. And sometimes you recognize what your strengths are and what your weaknesses are, and you stay away from you realize you're going to have to get. those guys either through free agency or trades or rookie free agents and develop them. Now, to say he can't draft any skill player, he's done some really good things with some running backs. He's obviously been very successful with tight ends. I don't think receiver is

necessarily strength. And look, Nikiel may go to Chicago and have a great career, but in that offense, you have to be able to adjust. You have to be able to be flexible. You have to be able to do things week in a week out. And it's not, it's just not for everybody. And it doesn't seem like he was able to do the things that they were asking to do on a week to week basis. Well, you coach probably against maybe Bernard Pollard at one point, a very good player, very tough player, has a ring, perfect for the culture of the Ravens, tough guy, go after you, knock you out. He got into a, you know, a social media Twitter spat last night with Lamar Jackson basically saying, there's a reason Hollywood Brown left. There's a reason there's all these receivers

on the market and none of them want to play with you because they don't trust you. And I said this the other day I did a top 10 list for quarterback and I left Lamar out. And I said, well, Kyler, Joe Burrow and Herbert two years ago, I wouldn't have left Lamar out. But those guys have now emerged. And they're better. I think they're better players. I think Kyler throws a better ball. I think Herbert's better. And I also think I've got some over two years, something that's hard to deny. He plays better with a lead than behind. He goes a little too often to the tied in in big third down situations instead of down the field. Every quarterback's vulnerable and imperfect.

But when Bernard Pollard says that, he's probably not the only player thinking that. That's my takeaway. Players can say stuff that I can't say and not get pushback. And do you think there is a little bit of a belief in the league now that we've hit a wall and a plateau with Lamar and top receivers now are paid sometimes quarterback money, Eric, and they're not going to seek him out. Well, you know what you're getting in Baltimore, and it's going to be a run-first offense,

and that's what Greg Roman wants to do. And when they drafted Lamar, it was a perfect fit with Greg Roman and what they want to do with. And they're very upfront with the wide receivers in terms of what the expectations are. And that's fair. Now, in terms of Lamar's production,

my concern coming out was that when the whole world knew he had to pass and that was what he had to stand on. Could he do it on a consistent basis? And I think there's been some problems with that. But just like in New England, when we played a 34-2-gap defense where you had to go pound the offensive tackles, we didn't have a lot of rush defensive ends, guys who were concerned just about sacks,

who wanted to come and do that. Now, that being said, we won a lot of games. We won a lot of Super Bowls, and Baltimore's won a lot of games, and they're going to continue to win games in the style that they have. It's not exciting for wide receivers, and it makes sense why they'd want to go somewhere where it was passed first so that they could not only potentially win, but get paid.

And I'd say the get paid is before the potentially win part. Yeah. Mayfield, Darnold, what do you make of the whole situation? I think it was you that came on this show and said, it was Bucky Brooks who actually said, you know, Donald's got a real last. up and there are people in that locker room that liked Donald and he played pretty well early last year before McCaffrey got hurt. So there are some allegiances in that locker room.

I was told from a source I trust that Matt Rule was never a huge Baker-Mayfield fan, in fact, didn't like him much, you know, as a college quarterback, as an NFL quarterback and some of the shenanigans or some of the personality snark. What do you make of the whole situation? I can't imagine he has a leg up. He had every opportunity in New York to be successful and they want him to be successful, then Carolina Tradesform gives a lot to get him, gives them every opportunity to be successful and secure the job. But as they looked at it, organizationally, they thought it was, it was good to hang in there with Baker and try to make it happen. They were able to make it happen in a way that makes sense for them organizationally. And they should. They should bring him in.

It's not like Sam has clearly defined himself as the answer moving forward. And I think at the end of the day he's going to end up, Baker's going to end up being the starter, even though Sam seems like a great guy. And I'm sure he's well respected in the locker room and well liked in the locker room. But Baker seems to give you more upside. And he hasn't had a second chance to show people what he can do. Yeah. So I saw this story yesterday. Sean Payton, most of us subscribed to the theory that Sean Payton will be a broadcaster briefly. You know, he's just, we know what Sean does, right? Like he's, he didn't get into this stuff to talk about football. He got into it to coach football. And so Dolphins, Chargers, Cowboys were mentioned

as possible teams. Give me your sense because I don't think, you know, I don't think anybody think Sean Payton is going to do, like Gruden, I felt really liked and leaned into broadcasting and was really good at it. I thought he really liked it. He, he, Gruden was really feeding into it. Sean, I feel like, is too brilliant not to get back into coaching. And it's more of an offensive league than ever before, and I think he's got 10 years left. When you hear Dolphins, Chargers, Cowboys, one of them's got a brand new coach. One of them's got a coach that only has one year.

Those are weird, those are weird teams to me that come out. What do you make of the list? Well, the list makes sense in a lot of ways. And one of the things that Sean has talked about or people have talked about Sean wanting is personnel control. And when you look at those situations, in Dallas, is he really going to have personnel control? And in Miami, he could have personnel control, but how involved is the owner? And with the Chargers, it's a family-run business.

And I think there's a lot of influences and a lot of voices in that building. So all three of them may not be as attractive as they seem right now. And his, obviously, mentor and close friend is Bill Parcells, who's, worked in Dallas and worked in Miami and who'll give him a really good indication of whether or not it makes sense for him to go there. He can wait, though. There's no rush in it. And as much as he may want to get into it, at this point, he's done it a long time.

This gives him a chance to recharge his batteries and take a step back and see exactly what he wants from the next organization. If he doesn't get the great opportunity this year, there'll be a whole other round opportunity the year after and the year after that. So he can be picky and ideally find the place with the best quarterback. You know, the other thing that's happening in the league, it used to be that you gave every coach, like

two years minimum, and even if the billionaire at the top was unhappy, you generally got a third. We're getting to a point now. We're seeing guys getting thrown out after a year. And it is interesting. I said this about Brandon Staley with the Chargers, because everybody loves Herbert and they've got the left tackle, they've got

the edge rusher, they've got the quarterback. Now they have a second edge rusher. They have a top corner. I mean, and they have weapons. So that thing is, that puppy is built to win. Division's tough. But it isn't interesting. It is more of an offensive coach's league. And I look at Brandon Staley and I'm like, Herbert was the best quarterback that didn't make the playoffs. If Herbert doesn't make the playoffs, regardless of how tough the division is, if I'm Dean Spanos, I've got to ask myself, are we wasting years here? Once I have to pay Herbert, I can't have this roster. I think the Chargers is one of the more fascinating coaching situations in the league.

Your thoughts? Yeah, the Chargers would be an attractive job if it opened up because you have the most important piece. You've got a young quarterback on a rookie contract, which is rare. And organizationally, and from an ownership perspective, if you're constantly hearing and reading and it's being reinforced how much talent you have and you're not making the playoffs and then you're not making a deep run into the playoffs, that's not going to last very long. He's going to,

they're going to have to make a change if they don't make the playoffs this year because there is, there is too much there. And the most important pieces there, which is a quarterback. And these years where he's making what he's making are critical because you can spend money in other areas. It's almost impossible in this league to have an elite left tackle,

an elite quarterback, and you're not paying either. I mean, it's incredible. It's almost never happens. seriously. Yeah. It never happened.

And once you have to pay both of them, there's going to be other elite talent that's got to go away. And they're going to have to develop young guys. This is a great window for him. All right. He's still a summering in Nantucket. No, that you go, we can't afford Nantucket. We're in Cape Cod. I just want to come, I just want to come visit you in Nantucket next year.

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His story is incredible. So this is interesting. You know I have defended golfers like Greg Norman and Phil Mickelson and Brooks Kepka, Bryson DeShambo, Patrick Reed, though many don't like him, for their mobility and grabbing the bag playing with live golf. Golfers are all independent contractors. But this is where it gets interesting. Live golfers now are getting a little salty about disappointing tea times and not getting invited to press conferences.

So, you know, the British Open, they're not going to give them the nicest seat at dinner or the best tea times. And that's where I'll defend either the British Open, the PGA, the USGA, or traditional golf. You can bail on the PGA and I will defend you. I will defend your right to be mobile. but you're not going to get, hey, welcome home at the British Open. Hey, come on, sit up here. Let's meet for drinks. Good to see you.

Boy, I've been waiting to talk to you about all the good you're doing. You're no longer helping traditional golf. You are viewed as an outsider. You are viewed as somebody taking money away from the PGA. Because eventually some of these sponsors may move across the street. Listen, the downside to mobility, when LeBron left. Cleveland. I defended his right to do it. But you knew he was going to be a villain in the NBA, and you knew he was going to be booed when he went back to Cleveland. Katie went to the Warriors.

I defend the move, but people ripped him for taking the easy way out. I am a defender of mobility and grabbing the bag. I will defend you to the end for that. But you are now an outsider. you are viewed as a villain, you are viewed as disrupting and hurting the money flow and the tradition of golf. Now, now, you're not going to get treated well if you're allowed to ever play with the American golfers, which you are now like the British and the masters and if they keep allowing this, you're not going to get treated well Tuesday to Saturday. You will be treated well with checks and trophies and more accommodations if you're great on Sunday.

And so for all these golfers who are salty over in St. Andrews, just be great. Because on Sunday, then, there'll be no choice but to elevate you. But don't expect hugs and welcome back. Let's meet for drinks. That's not happening. That doesn't happen with mobility. That's the downside to it. J-Mack with the news.

No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, first up, your buddy, Kevin Durant, asked for a trade from the Nets. We know this, despite having multiple years left on his contract. And Adam Silver saying this week, he doesn't like to see players request trades, but everybody's favorite 1990s wingman. Scotty Pippen has chimed in, Colin.

He has no problem, of course, with Durant's decision. Here's the audio. That's the game today. You know, players control their own destiny. and not much loyalty is needed on either side of the table anymore. So I'm fair with it, to be honest. I kind of like how the players have the freedom to change, and it's what the owners have been doing the players for years.

So they've just evened the playing field to me. I don't feel bad for what Katie is doing at all. I think it's a great move for him. You move as much as you want in today's game. Yeah, Colin, you're right, right? Well, again, there are contracts for a reason. Like, you can't have a sport where everybody can just willy-nilly move. Now, in college now, actually, you have more mobility than you do as a professional.

And you can even see with that NIL transfer portal, people feel it's a little too wild, wild west, and there should be some integrity in the regular season, so you can't move across the street before, you know, a Michigan player can't move a week before the Ohio State game and give them a playbook. So, contracts have to matter in any business. That's why you have them. That's why I have to, if I sign a contract, it has to go through four different attorneys at Fox or my agent. Contracts have to matter to some degree. Now, if there is a sense that one side or another is not treating the other side well, okay.

But remember, Kevin Durant sought Brooklyn out. He was not traded there against his will. He sought it out. He left a great situation for this. So I think there's much less sympathy for him from media and fans because of that. Pippin keeps mentioning freedom. And just like you talked about with Live Golf, the freedom to, hey, you want to join their tour fine. But guess what?

Guys like you and I are going to be bagging on Kevin Durant if he's jumping around and hopscatching because he's searching for something. We don't know what that is. All right. Next story, Colin, the current age limit to enter the NBA is 19 years old. That could be changing soon. Adam Silver, I think your favorite commissioner in sports, said this week he is hopeful the limit would be dropped in the league's next collective a bargaining agreement. Here's the sound. I think there's an opportunity.

It's a larger conversation than just whether we go from 19 to 18, but I'm on record. And when I balance all these various considerations, I think that would be the right thing to do. And I am hopeful that that's a change we make in this next collective bargaining cycle, which will. happen in the next couple of years. So that means high school to the pros would be. Yeah. Now, David Stern did not like that. My understanding was he didn't want NBA scouts in high school gyms. He thought it was a bad look. Unseemly. It felt unseemly. Adam Silver is saying, it's a charade. The one year is a charade. Adam Silver in the NBA have always positioned themselves. In my opinion is anti-college basketball. I don't think it makes sense. I think it's a great

platform. I think it hurts young basketball players to go to the G-League. From a marketing standpoint, Zion got that shoe deal because of Duke, because his games were on TV, because he became a national phenom. I think it actually works in reverse. I think initiating more non-college routes is bad for the money. Short-term, you can make more in the G-League, long-term, the platform of playing at Kansas, playing at Oklahoma, playing at Kentucky. I think Michigan State is incredibly valuable to a young basketball person. I mean, it's weird because, you know, you look at these guys coming to the NBA, and half of them barely play as rookies.

So now you're saying they're going to come in at 18, and they're going to somehow crack the rotation in the NBA? That's not happening, is it, Colin? No. James Wiseman hasn't played anything at all in Golden State. All right, let's get to the third story. 49ers, big story this week in San Francisco. They're looking for a trade partner for Garapolo.

latest report says he could be moved by the end of the month. Steve Young, the 49ers, great, still thinks there's a chance. Jimmy G. remains in San Francisco. Here's his quote, here we are today with a full commitment, it seems, from the 49ers to say Jimmy is going to move on. Is it really full? I don't know. I think there's still a chance Jimmy is on the team.

Until Trey has a chance to take it, they need to make sure they got this covered. Do you pay $24 million to have it covered? Until Jimmy's gone, you got to know that Jimmy's personality is capable of coming back into that locker room and not causing too much grief. But I don't think that's going to happen. Oh, boy, Colin, this does not sound good. Would it be smart for the Niners to hang on to Jimmy G? It's not that Jimmy G would cause grief.

It would just stunt the growth of Trey Lance. Jimmy G. is too likable and too much of a guy's guy to have him in a locker room and expect a new unproven quarterback to own the room. You want your quarterback. That's his room. Remember, you can have six receivers. You can even have two Pro Bowl receivers.

It's understood. Even in college football, if a great program has a great recruiting class and lands two great quarterbacks, one will transfer within the year. You get one great quarterback on a team. It's just the personality, the expectations, you need the snaps. It's not that Jimmy G couldn't handle losing the job. That's not the issue. Jimmy G's a gamer.

He's a good dude. It's that you're basically saying, hey, Trey, this really popular, guy who got us to the Super Bowl. If Trey goes on a two-game losing streak, and in that division, very possible, you got, you literally got half the room or more whispering, let's get Jimmy out. Especially receivers, by the way, Debo Samuel, Brandon Ayukes, like, I'm not getting my touches. So it's, to me, you know, sometimes you just have to find out the answer. There's a war analogy once I was Schwarzkopf. It's too long of a story to get into. But he was once arguing this on behalf of a move by our military. And to shorten the story, he just said,

sometimes you just have to find out the right answer. If we're wrong, let's find it out. Let's make this move to find out what the answer is. We could be wrong, but we don't know discussing it. And I think in this situation, you could be wrong on Trey Lance. You could have whiffed, but let's get an answer. Let's find out. Keep Jimmy G to find out or trade him. No, no, you move Jimmy G out of the room. You go to Seattle and get a second round picker, go somewhere else and get a four. But you can't ask Trey. It's totally unfair to Trey Lance to ask a kid to own a room when you

got a George Clooney look-a-like who went to a Super Bowl five feet away. Hey, NFC championship like eight months ago. Yeah, it's wild. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So, by the way, football topic here.

So, Zach Wilson had a very interesting week. He's a quarterback for the Jets. Now, I've said I'm on record saying the Robert Solem move is not one I would have made. would have gone with an offensive coach. But that division, you know, Belichick's defense, Shaw McDermott defense, they're both very, very good. One's a legend. One could be. And I like Brian Flores, but the dolphins have pivoted to an offensive coach because that's where the league's headed and I agree with their move as much as I like Brian Flores.

So I would not have hired a defensive coach, especially one that's going to have to tailor an offense for a quarterback. We're looking at the young quarterbacks that are flourishing. And a lot of them, Kyler Murray's got an offensive coach. And, you know, Joe Burroughs got an offensive coach. And, you know, that's kind of, I think one of the advantages Trey Lance has. He has an offensive coach. We've seen defensive coaches, even legends, struggle sometimes with a relationship with a quarterback. So I wouldn't have gone with Robert Sala. Be that as it may, they got to figure out if Zach's the guy. Now, he's really, really talented, much more talented than across the street, Daniel Jones. He plays hero ball,

his judgment's iffy. And now you start saying, is he Baker Mayfield? Is he, is he, is he, just going to be in the news cycle all the time for the wrong reasons. I think that's unfair, but people will say that. The New York press can be vultures, right, and very aggressive. So my takeaway is the problem with the Jets is they're rebuilding a lot of their roster. And many, and I would submit to you, they're a fourth place team, okay? Third or fourth, but I would say fourth. Here's the bigger challenge for the Jets, not do we know if Robert Solic can coach.

But if you went to the teams predicted to be in fourth place, right now in the NFC. So these are predicted to be the fourth place teams in the NFC. The Giants. That's a bad football team. The Falcons are tanking and the Seahawks, if they stay with their current quarterback room, are awful. The Lions, probably a six-win team.

I looked at their schedule last night. I bet the under on six and a half. They have some nice offensive pieces, but they're in that division. They're probably a third or fourth place team. Those are not viable teams. look at the AFC predicted fourth place teams. The Browns have an elite roster. If the suspension is light for Deshawn Watson, that's arguably a playoff team.

The Raiders are stacked offensively. They made the playoffs last year and are better Chandler Jones, Devante Adams. The Texans are a bad football team. The Jets are talented, but it's one thing to be rebuilding in the Pack It's like USC. They're going to bounce back this year and win eight or nine games. It's another thing to be rebuilding in the Big Ten or the SEC. That's the issue with the Jets.

Even if they're significantly better, they're not close to my opinion, the best team in football, Buffalo, and they don't have a coach who's in the same stratosphere is not only Sean McDermott, but Bill Belichick. Rebuilding in the AFC today is rebuilding in the SEC. It's completely different than rebuilding in the Big 12 or rebuilding in the Pact 12. That is a huge reality. If you start looking, even if Zach Wilson ends up being better than we see him now, best case scenario, he's not going to be Mahomes.

He's not going to be Josh Allen. I don't think he's close to Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert. If Deshawn Watson's as good as he was before he left, he's not close to Deshawn Watson. I'm at five and counting. And so the Giants are a bigger mess than the Jets. I like the Jets' GM. I like their last two drafts.

I do think Zach Wilson's a gamer. I think he's got real talent. But rebuilding in the AFC is a schloid, man. It is nothing but stack team, excellent coach, really good rosters. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's me. Rob Parker.

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iHeartRadio app search learn the hard way and listen now i hear the criticism from time to time calling you flip-flop on things yesterday you said this and today you say this my arguments always been yes the smartest people i know change their opinion all the time with new information the definition of dumb is hey here's what i thought at 18 even though there's a bunch of new information i'm 48 and think the same thing i change my mind all the time i've always used the argument you Put your kids in a plane to go see grandma and grandpa. You put your kids on a plane. Bye.

And they get on the plane. And there is a massive storm as you fly on Spirit Airlines. Should the pilot, because weather changes, avoid the storm with a new route? Yes. If you send your daughter to the doctor and there is new information on an experimental medicine and it has had some early success. It did not exist six months ago, but it's had early success. I have a friend in my life that's gone through this, and it's been very helpful for his family.

Should the doctor use it? Oh, there's new information. There's a new product. Constantly change your mind. That's what curious people do who read a lot and consume new things. They change their mind all the time. That's the biggest problem in America to now. Nobody, even when you give them data to suggest they're completely wrong in a position,

they won't change their mind. That's when we're at our dumbest. So years ago, I used to say wide receivers are simply icing on the cake. They make the cake better, but they're not the cake. You can have a run first, run dominant team

with great defense and win a Super Bowl. I do not consider the Tennessee Titans a Super Bowl team. They're not good enough at quarterback. And the value of wide receivers is really apparent when the NFL ranked their top 10 wide receivers, This is what executives, coaches, players made their best whiteouts.

Think about each one of these players. And for the radio audience, I'll make this quick. Devante Adams, Raiders won, Cooper Cup, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, Tyree, Kils, Stefan, Diggs, Ah, D. D. Hop, Mike Evans, Debo, Samuel, D.K. Matt Caff. No reason to argue. It's a great list. They're all amazing. This is an NFL list by executives.

None of those teams, to me, take Debo out of the Niners. They're out of the Super Bowl conversation. as good as the Rams are coached and run and as good as their roster. They're not a Super Bowl team with Cooper Cup. They're good. They're not a Super Bowl team. Jamar Chase, Stefan Diggs, take the juice out of those offenses. As much as I love Josh Allen and Joe Burrow, Jamar, Stefan, give you cheap touchdowns.

Think of how valuable they are today because of rule changes. Receivers are getting better. Offense is getting smarter and more sophisticated. I went back 20 years to the top 10 most productive wide receivers in a single season. They're all great. Marvin Harrison, number one. He left the next year the Colts were 12 and 4 without him and still a Super Bowl team. Randy Moss, Colin, the Vikings actually got better the year after he left.

8 and 8 to 9 and 7. I like T.O. But the Niners were fine without him and so were the Eagles. Peerless Price, Troy Brown, Marty Booker, Eric Moulds, all talented. They were icing. They did not define the team. Take you from in the Super Bowl picture to you are out. Go back to that list today.

Go back to that list of NFL's top receivers. They literally fundamentally change their team. I love what Cincinnati's doing. And T. Higgins is fine. but Jamar Chase gives you those cheap touchdowns Tyreek Hill, Debo Samuel, Devante Adams, Stefan Diggs, Mike Evans.

You take Mike, Chris Godwin has missed time. You take, and it hurts, but you take Mike Evans out of the box. Have you told me right now he'll not play in this year? They're not going to get to the Super Bowl. So that is one of those positions I've absolutely changed my mind. They are no longer icing. They are part of the cake,

along with the quarterback, the coach, edge rusher, weapon, maybe a left tackle. They are absolutely more valuable today for a variety of reasons, more sophisticated coaching, rule changes, obvious stuff now all receivers go over the middle. Middle of the field used to be owned by defense. It's now owned by offense. When they traded Tyree Kill for five picks, folks, the world changed. And they're not the only team Miami that probably would have done that. I want to go back to something.

I'm not going to tell you, well, let's just, I'll just say this. A couple minutes ago I was talking, Adam Silver has decided he wants to make it eligible for an 18-year-old to come from high school to the NBA, not to be 19. Now, David Stern didn't like that. David Stern did not want NBA personnel hanging out at AU basketball. football games and high school gyms. He wasn't into it. I want to reiterate something here.

Sometimes as a commissioner, you do something that's for the greater good of the league. I'll give you an example. The franchise tag. It's not really good for quarterbacks. The ability to franchise tag Aaron Rogers over and over is not good for Aaron Rogers. On the market, he'd make a fortune. But for the greater good of guards, linebackers, slot corners, punters. You know, interior linemen, running backs, tight ends.

The franchise tag is a pretty good deal. That you won't get the bag, but you'll be paid in the top five in your position. And you're in a sport where, let's be honest, the big money goes to about three to four positions. But it's not good for quarterbacks. It's not. Aaron Rogers being able to be franchise tag, you put him on the open market and get a fortune. But for the greater good of the league, the franchise tag does make sense for collectively the group, in my opinion. That 18-year-old number for the NBA would be great for LeBron.

It would be great for a handful of guys. But what about the 75 to 100 high schoolers who think they don't need college basketball? Go to the G League, never get the coaching you get at the college level, and two years later, disappear. For the greater good of the NBA, I would argue, and for young, talented basketball players in this country, the greater good is get some harder coaching. You can't just jump high school to pros. Because remember, in America, the way the ecosystem works of basketball, if you're great at 16, you're going to make a lot of people money. You're going to make an AAU coach money. You're going to make a shoe rep money. you're going to make a college coach money, you're going to make an agent money.

And too often many people gravy trained on the back of these remarkable young talents. What you're going to hear at 17 and 18 is, kid, you don't need to go to college. You need to get paid. There are a lot of people that are not honesty brokers circling like sharks, these young people. It's okay to sacrifice. In the NFL, we force kids to go to college. They become men out of college. college. They have perspective. They were coached hard. They were on a college campus. They

dealt with people often unlike themselves. 18 years old would be great for about one kid a year, maybe two, some years three. But is it good for the collective? Is it good for all 18 year olds who are being, you know, gassed up at 15 on? You don't need college. You're a star because that gets people paid short term. But can it damage the young man long term? Just a thought. Hour two, hour three around the corner in LA, it's the hurt. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the I Heart Radio app,

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